any better leader of the modern era than scottie pippen?

[mehyaM24]

here are some absolute gems regarding pippen's GOAT intangibles:




"Tremendous teammate, that's what comes to mind when I think of Scottie Pippen. He was a very caring teammate who was always concerned about the team, always concerned about it. He just had a great understanding of the team concept. Everyone talks about a great teammate, but he really was a great guy to play with. He may have been having a 25 or 30-point game, but if he knew you were struggling, he'd find a way to get you going as well. He's that type of guy."




PIPPEN WAS VERY ENCOURAGING AS A TEAMMATE

"The subtle things that he did so well-defensively helping his teammates, recovering out to guys offensively, making plays, being unselfish-those are things that teammates always recognize and noticed," John Paxson said of Scottie Pippen. "You always felt like Scottie had your back."

Scottie was very encouraging as a teammate. He was the type of guy that if you weren't playing well, or you missed a few shots in a row or had your head hanging down, he was going to encourage you to look for your shot. That was really important for a lot of us because we respected him as a player, and as a person, for the way he approached the game and worked at his craft. The fact that he would encourage the majority of his time was a big thing for us."

When you talk about Scottie encouraging, is there a moment that comes to mind in the locker room or behind closed doors that the general public might not see or understand?

"I remember often in games, with me, if I was struggling with my shot, he would keep looking for me. He would keep saying, 'One's going to go down.' It's just how he was and that was pretty important for us. We all understood the pecking order, believe me. But to have one of your best players out there encouraging and wanting you to do well was always important.

In your final season, you have called it Scottie's defining year, which was also his favorite season. What did you see from him that maybe you hadn't before in the 1993-94 campaign?

He didn't look at it like he had to take on everything, and that's where teammates loved him. He had his best statistical year, but he found a way to make his teammates feel a part of it, reward them when they were open, and do all those things that he had done before, but not just in a little different role. So many people had written us off that year because we didn't have Michael. Everyone said that we were going to win 25-30 games. Scottie kind of said, 'Nope, it's not going to happen.' He led us to 55."




Just as so many of his other teammates have regularly done, Rodman was only following suit for the player who garnered so much respect throughout his 17 season career and will enter basketball’s Hall of Fame Friday in Springfield, Mass.

Scottie was right in the middle of that team and he supported us all.”




“Scottie would score four points and dominate the game,” said Steve Kerr, who always listed Pippen as his favorite teammate. “That’s what made him one of the best to ever play the game.”

Steve Kerr used to recount times on the floor he’d go several minutes and not get a shot and become a bit wary. He said Pippen would run by him and say, “I know you haven’t gotten a shot. Don’t worry. Next time, I’ll get you one.” Kerr said it was uncanny Pippen seemed to know what everyone on the court needed.




"He was the most popular teammate we had," says Grant. "You could laugh with him and joke and he wasn't the kind of guy who got mad. He was a fun teammate, fun to be around and always cared about everyone. If you had a problem, you could always talk it out with him. And he loved the game and the team. He was unselfish, but unselfish to a fault. We knew when he had the ball he was going to make a play and score or find the open guy. We had some great times."




“If your best players are taking a shortcut, they’re going to have problems holding everyone else accountable and responsible. Scottie were very accountable and a responsible man to the team, the franchise and themselves. He took his job seriously and that made everyone else hold themselves accountable."

“Everyone talks about a great teammate, but he really was a great guy to play with. He may have been having a 25 or 30-point game, but if he knew you were struggling, he’d find a way to get you going as well.”




"He was accountable for his actions on the floor," Wennington said. "Usually, other players get blamed for stars' mistakes. Scottie wasn't like that. He worked hard at practice every day, even if he was banged up."

why is his leadership so underrated? in that aspect, he should be in the SAME tier with russell, lebron, magic & larry imo

[Marchesk]

why is his leadership so underrated? in that aspect, he should be in the SAME tier with russell, lebron, magic & larry imo

How many FMVPs does he have?

[mehyaM24]

How many FMVPs does he have?
the same as george mikan, historically one of the greatest players ever.

[DonDadda59]

Pippen was the good cop to Jordan's bad cop. The shoulder that teammates used to cry on when the big bad Wolf would yell at them and hurt their feelings.

But what happened to that legendary leadership when Jordan wasn't around?

Dat leadership (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcjCoy7R4I)

Worst meltdown in NBA History. Hell of an underboss though, just not top dog material (Also see: migraines in the 80s).

[mehyaM24]

Pippen was the good cop to Jordan's bad cop. The shoulder that teammates used to cry on when the big bad Wolf would yell at them and hurt their feelings.

But what happened to that legendary leadership when Jordan wasn't around?

Dat leadership (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcjCoy7R4I)

Worst meltdown in NBA History. Hell of an underboss though, just not top dog material (Also see: migraines in the 80s).

you sure you're not referencing jordan, the guy who was 1-9 in the playoffs without pippen? because WITH pippen, and a mediocre sg in place of jordan, the bulls still managed to win multiple games in the playoffs, and were ONE bad call away from making the conference finals.

fact of the matter is, everywhere pippen went his teams were successful. jordan and the wizards? the 80s bulls without pippen? yea, lets not go down that road. :lol

[Smoke117]

His leadership was actually felt most keenly on the Blazers...you thought the "jail blazers" were combustible before? If not for him we would still be talking about their antics. He had a calming effect on those knuckleheads every time he walked onto the court. If not for his work at running the point in 2002 and 2003 those teams wouldn't have even made the playoffs.

[riseagainst]

the same as george mikan, historically one of the greatest players ever.

:roll:

George Mikan would have 5 FMVP if the award existed. Just like Russell would have like 7+ if it existed.

:lol
:roll:

[mehyaM24]

:roll:

George Mikan would have 5 FMVP if the award existed. Just like Russell would have like 7+ if it existed.

:lol
:roll:

how many does he ACTUALLY have though?

:confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

you sure you're not referencing jordan, the guy who was 1-9 in the playoffs without pippen? because WITH pippen, and a mediocre sg in place of jordan, the bulls still managed to win multiple games in the playoffs, and were ONE bad call away from making the conference finals.

Wade won a championship and finals MVP for the Heat without Bron.

Pippen won a first round series without Jordan... then when Jordan comes back they win 72 games and go on another 3-peat.

These are facts.


fact of the matter is, everywhere pippen went his teams were successful.

A year after Jordan at 35 carried brokeback Pippen to another ring, Scottie teamed up with Hakeem and Barkley in Houston. How'd that go?

More of that legendary leadership (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-ugxfIYANA)

[TheMan]

you sure you're not referencing jordan, the guy who was 1-9 in the playoffs without pippen? because WITH pippen, and a mediocre sg in place of jordan, the bulls still managed to win multiple games in the playoffs, and were ONE bad call away from making the conference finals.

fact of the matter is, everywhere pippen went his teams were successful. jordan and the wizards? the 80s bulls without pippen? yea, lets not go down that road. :lol
The Bulls started winning when Pip and Grant became good players. Before that, they were a one man team losing to GOAT teams like the 80s Celtics. Jordan scored 63 pts in a playoff game AND STILL LOST. That shows you the crap he had around him. If LBJ scored 63 pts in a playoffs game and still lost, you'd be here whining about how he had no help (just like in these last Finals, you and you're ilk were crying about LeBron having no support :lol ). Dat double standard.

Get it through your moronic troll skull, Pippen and Grant, then later on Rodman and Kukoc were important pieces in the Bulls dynasty but they don't go 6/6 without the GOAT leading the way.

Nice troll attempt though but anyone with a brain can see through your agenda.

[Smoke117]

Pippen won a first round series without Jordan... then when Jordan comes back they win 72 games and go on another 3-peat.

These are facts.

Because acquiring Rodman had nothing to do with that...gotcha. Idiot.

[DonDadda59]

Because acquiring Rodman had nothing to do with that...gotcha. Idiot.

They went on a 3-peat without Rodman :biggums:

[riseagainst]

how many does he ACTUALLY have though?

:confusedshrug:

that's like saying Ryan Leaf would have been the greatest NFL player ever ........... in 1778. Nice logic.

:lol

[mehyaM24]

that's like saying Ryan Leaf would have been the greatest NFL player ever ........... in 1778. Nice logic.

:lol

i'm not seeing the parallels here. but alright? :confusedshrug:


The Bulls started winning when Pip and Grant became good players. Before that, they were a one man team losing to GOAT teams like the 80s Celtics. Jordan scored 63 pts in a playoff game AND STILL LOST. That shows you the crap he had around him. If LBJ scored 63 pts in a playoffs game and still lost, you'd be here whining about how he had no help (just like in these last Finals, you and you're ilk were crying about LeBron having no support :lol ). Dat double standard.

Get it through your moronic troll skull, Pippen and Grant, then later on Rodman and Kukoc were important pieces in the Bulls dynasty but they don't go 6/6 without the GOAT leading the way.

Nice troll attempt though but anyone with a brain can see through your agenda.

and yet, only a 1-9 record to show for it? i said it another thread, and i'll say it again here: nobody in the top 10 has had a worse beginning to their career, in the playoffs, than jordan. without another superstar? nope - you cannot name one.

lebron at 21, younger than jordan who was swept in 86 & 87, took his team to the finals while beating the pistons - a team that was heavily favored against him.

you jordan fans don't want to talk about facts though. just selective factoids that allows you to sweep a sack of jordan's shit under the rug.

[GimmeThat]

yea, he was good in playing for keeps.

he's certainly earned that.

[imdaman99]

New day, different branstan melting down. Nothing changes on here.

[TheMan]

Because acquiring Rodman had nothing to do with that...gotcha. Idiot.
Sure he did, every good player adds something to a championship team, it's a team game after all, but if you try to argue that he was MORE important to the Bulls than MJ, then you sir, are full of shit.

[mehyaM24]

Wade won a championship and finals MVP for the Heat without Bron.

Pippen won a first round series without Jordan... then when Jordan comes back they win 72 games and go on another 3-peat.

These are facts.



A year after Jordan at 35 carried brokeback Pippen to another ring, Scottie teamed up with Hakeem and Barkley in Houston. How'd that go?

More of that legendary leadership (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-ugxfIYANA)

acquiring rodman helped....a lot

and making the playoffs with washed up greats? barkley with a foot outside the door, awaiting retirement? reach for the sky, doda. :lol

pippen had more success without jordan than vice versa. another indisputable fact that you have yet to address, bud.

[K Xerxes]

A great Silvio to Jordan's Tony. But like Sil said, some guys are made to play the number 2, just not fit for the top dog role.

[TheMan]

i'm not seeing the parallels here. but alright? :confusedshrug:



and yet, only a 1-9 record to show for it? i said it another thread, and i'll say it again here: nobody in the top 10 has had a worse beginning to their career, in the playoffs, than jordan. without another superstar? nope - you cannot name one.

lebron at 21, younger than jordan who was swept in 86 & 87, took his team to the finals while beating the pistons - a team that was heavily favored against him.

you jordan fans don't want to talk about facts though. just selective factoids that allows you to sweep a sack of jordan's shit under the rug.
Lol, those Pistons were far from their best version, OTOH, the 86 Celtics are considered the GOAT team by most, GTFOH troll. Big difference in level of competition :facepalm

[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-17-2015/VNMnV0.gif


His leadership was actually felt most keenly on the Blazers...



:roll:

This is a troll right?... It's a good one.. :applause:

You're totally right - Pippen's stint with Blazers was marked by ANOTHER historic choke - his Blazers lost a 15 point fourth quarter lead in Game 7 of 2000 WCF, culminating with Pippen getting his ankles shattered into a million pieces by a goat subtle crossover by Kobe (shown above without defenders for maximum visibility of Pippen's ankle injury)

Pippen just can't get out of the way from epic chokes (see Game 3 of 1994 2nd Round, Game 7 of 1990 ECF, Game 5 & 6 of 1998 Finals, and the ENTIRE 1996 Finals).

[mehyaM24]

Lol, those Pistons were far from their best version, OTOH, the 86 Celtics are considered the GOAT team by most, GTFOH troll. Big difference in level of competition :facepalm
how about in 87? ricky pierce's bucks took them to 7 games....the bulls were 4-2 against them in the rs, and yet were swept in the playoffs.

whats your next excuse? jordan wasn't wearing his unc undershorts?

[Smoke117]

They went on a 3-peat without Rodman :biggums:

Yeah...they had Horace Grant for the first one...no shit.

[Smoke117]

Sure he did, every good player adds something to a championship team, it's a team game after all, but if you try to argue that he was MORE important to the Bulls than MJ, then you sir, are full of shit.

When did I exactly do that? This clown is saying that MJ came back and they won 72 games and the facts are as simple as that. There is no mention that they replaced Grant with Rodman by him...just that MJ came back...they won 72 games. Their front court was weak af after Grant left. They weren't going to win anything with Kukoc (who was atrocious defensively) and a bunch of stiff white guys at PF and Center.

The Bulls would have never won 72 games anyway if not for expansion. I don't think anyone can deny that. The talent pool was so thinned out in the mid to late 90s.

[DonDadda59]

pippen had more success without jordan than vice versa. another indisputable fact that you have yet to address, bud.

Jordan only had 2 seasons without Pippen on the Bulls and joined a 17 win Wizards team at 38.

Pip on the other hand left the Bulls following a 6th coattail ring to join up with Hakeem and Barkley (2 seasons removed from a WCF berth with Clyde in his place) and then promptly bailed on them while throwing his teammate under the bus in public (leadership :bowdown: ). He then became a 4th, sometimes 5th option on a Blazers team that was in the WCF the season before he got there.

Yet no one ever brings up the fact that at 38-40 Jordan was still an all star 20/5/5 caliber player while Pip actually went back to Chicago as a 6 PPG scrub at the same age. Chicago went 23-59 that season.

I miss anything there? :confusedshrug:

[mehyaM24]

good call on his stint with the blazers, smoke.

here are some more nice tidbits:




"He attacked the basket at every opportunity," teammate Greg Anthony said. "When it wasn't there, we just made sure we got into a decent set offensively, and he was everywhere on defense, so his energy as our leader is going to be paramount to our success."

Pippen knows his teammates look to him to set the tempo."




"He's our veteran player, he's our leader and we just tried to follow suit behind him," backup guard Bonzi Wells said. "He's been there. We just try to follow his lead. He just said we've got to play hard, we've got to be intense out there. We're the only people that are rooting for each other in this gym.

"We've got to stay together, and if we stay together, good things will happen."




"As a coach, you loved him," said Mike Dunleavy, Portland's coach at the time. "He was the glue. The pro. And he was the guy who made the pass that led to the assist, the guy that made the deflection that led to the steal, and the guy who made the rebound that led to the fast break."

^^^^^^ the blazers made the wcf, and were minutes away from the finals. once again, pippen showing that he had MORE SUCCESS without than jordan than vice versa.

[mehyaM24]

Jordan only had 2 seasons without Pippen on the Bulls and joined a 17 win Wizards team at 38.

so in 4 seasons without pippen, he either didn't make the playoffs or was one-and-done. otoh, pippen without jordan not only made the playoffs, while having more than 1 win to show for it, but also advanced to the semi & conference finals - and was minutes away from another finals appearance.

that is sheer, unabated greatness. :bowdown:

[DonDadda59]

^^^^^^ the blazers made the wcf

As they did the season before Pip got there (when he went to team up with Hakeem and Barkley).

Blazers in '98-'99: 35-15 (57 win pace.... lost in the WCF)
Blazers in '99-'00: 59-23 (lost in the WCF)

Negligible impact. :confusedshrug:

Meanwhile Jordan was drafted by a 27 win team and at 38 after being retired for 3 years played for a 17 win team literally for free.

The LeBron easiest road possible route vs taking on a challenge. :applause:

[TheMan]

good call on his stint with the blazers, smoke.

here are some more nice tidbits:







^^^^^^ the blazers made the wcf, and were minutes away from the finals. once again, pippen showing that he had MORE SUCCESS without than jordan than vice versa.
Exactly how many titles did Pippen win without MJ for all the great success he had on those stacked teams again?

Ah, I'm done with you and your terrible troll attempts. ****ing LeBeta stans at it again after Bran collecting yet another L and here these fggots are trying to desperately throw crap against the wall to see if anything sticks :oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

lockout seasons are asterisk ones. too many injuries during the 99 season to really make that kind of leap.

wwdk- pippen led the blazers & bulls farther in the playoffs without jordan, than jordan did with the bulls without pippen.

this is absolutely indisputable - as i've repeated time & time again :confusedshrug:

[TheMan]

so in 4 seasons without pippen, he either didn't make the playoffs or was one-and-done. otoh, pippen without jordan not only made the playoffs, while having more than 1 win to show for it, but also advanced to the semi & conference finals - and was minutes away from another finals appearance.

that is sheer, unabated greatness. :bowdown:
Only a LeBeta stan would call not winning a title "greatness" :yaohappy:

No wonder they stan Wilt too :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

Exactly how many titles did Pippen win without MJ for all the great success he had on those stacked teams again?

Ah, I'm done with you and your terrible troll attempts. ****ing LeBeta stans at it again after Bran collecting yet another L and here these fggots are trying to desperately throw crap against the wall to see if anything sticks :oldlol:
How many series did jordan win without pippen?:lol :roll: :roll:

[Young X]

Pippen had more success without MJ than vice versa because he played with better players on better teams you fool. It's not that hard.

Barkley
Olajuwon
Wallace
Smith
Stoudamire
Sabonis

>>>

Woolridge
Oakley
Corzine
Sellers
Banks

[mehyaM24]

Exactly how many titles did Pippen win without MJ for all the great success he had on those stacked teams again?

Ah, I'm done with you and your terrible troll attempts. ****ing LeBeta stans at it again after Bran collecting yet another L and here these fggots are trying to desperately throw crap against the wall to see if anything sticks :oldlol:

the same number jordan did without pippen, except pippen has twice the success jordan does without him than the other way around.

the rest of your post is trash. i won't respond to it.

[livinglegend]

Only a LeBeta stan would call not winning a title "greatness" :yaohappy:

No wonder they stan Wilt too :oldlol:
Betan stans bragging about team accomplishments.
Betan had the most stacked team of all time. :roll: :roll:

[TheMan]

How many series did jordan win without pippen?:lol :roll: :roll:
How many titles has LeBron won without one of the GOAT SGs Wade?:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

Baldan stans are shoooookkkk.:lol

[livinglegend]

How many titles has LeBron won without one of the GOAT SGs Wade?:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Your answer is in my previous question.
Except i was talking about series and your talking about championships.:roll


Baldan stans smh

[mehyaM24]

Pippen had more success without MJ than vice versa because he played with better players on better teams you fool. It's not that hard.

Barkley
Olajuwon
Wallace
Smith
Stoudamire
Sabonis

>>>

Woolridge
Oakley
Corzine
Sellers
Banks

why did an inferior, injury riddled celtics team in 87 sweep the bulls, while the bucks, who the bulls had tons of success against, took those same celtics to 7 games?

are we to ignore his 9-30fg performance in a close-out game 3? i hope that isn't what jordan fans are doing here :facepalm

[DonDadda59]

lockout seasons are asterisk ones. too many injuries during the 99 season to really make that kind of leap.

wwdk- pippen led the blazers & bulls farther in the playoffs without jordan, than jordan did with the bulls without pippen.

this is absolutely indisputable - as i've repeated time & time again :confusedshrug:

Did not know Rasheed Wallace used to call himself Pippen.

The more you know. :applause:

Taking a team from losing in the WCF to losing in the WCF as the 4th option. GOAT impact.

[mehyaM24]

Did not know Rasheed Wallace used to call himself Pippen.

The more you know. :applause:

refer to the quotes i posted itt.

:confusedshrug:

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

i'm not seeing the parallels here. but alright? :confusedshrug:



and yet, only a 1-9 record to show for it? i said it another thread, and i'll say it again here: nobody in the top 10 has had a worse beginning to their career, in the playoffs, than jordan. without another superstar? nope - you cannot name one.

lebron at 21, younger than jordan who was swept in 86 & 87, took his team to the finals while beating the pistons - a team that was heavily favored against him.

you jordan fans don't want to talk about facts though. just selective factoids that allows you to sweep a sack of jordan's shit under the rug.

Pippen wasn't even an all star caliber player til year 3, and not an all star until year 4.

In that time the Bulls had multiple 50+ win years. In Pippens rookie year, where he didn't start a single game and average 19 MPG, the Bulls won 47 and a playoff series.

I used to think that you were a quality poster but its clear now that you're the same dime-a-dozen DB troll found so often on this forum.

[TheMan]

Your answer is in my previous question.
Except i was talking about series and your talking about championships.:roll


Baldan stans smh
In the end, if you don't win a ring, it don't mean a thing...no prizes for second place, Brony stan :no:

[Wade's Rings]

Your answer is in my previous question.
Except i was talking about series and your talking about championships.:roll


Baldan stans smh

Typical Bron Stans proud of winning 2 series instead of a Championship

[TheMan]

Typical Bron Stans proud of winning 2 series instead of a Championship
Yea, that's why LeBrony stans love Wilt, while MJ fans love alphas like Wade or Kobe who lead their teams to a title while winning FMVP...alpha af

[Wade's Rings]

Yea, that's why LeBrony stans love Wilt, while MJ fans love alphas like Wade who lead his team to a title while winning FMVP...alpha af

:cheers:

[jayfan]

This crap again?



.

[Yoda]

here are some absolute gems regarding pippen's GOAT intangibles:





why is his leadership so underrated? in that aspect, he should be in the SAME tier with russell, lebron, magic & larry imo
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e2/e27ed34051c213c62a2975ffaeffcfe501c7025448cb9929e2 d7f3d953d129fc.jpg

[jayfan]

Dat leadership (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcjCoy7R4I)

Worst meltdown in NBA History.

Easily.





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[Jailblazers7]

Everything in the OP makes Scottie sound like more of a glue guy than a leader. Basically he was the yang to Jordan's yin. Kept the peace while Jordan was the general who pushed everyone insanely hard.

[3ball]

Pip on the other hand left the Bulls following a 6th coattail ring to join up with Hakeem and Barkley (2 seasons removed from a WCF berth with Clyde in his place) and then promptly bailed on them while throwing his teammate under the bus in public (leadership :bowdown: ). He then became a 4th, sometimes 5th option on a Blazers team that was in the WCF the season before he got there.

Yet no one ever brings up the fact that at 38-40 Jordan was still an all star 20/5/5 caliber player while Pip actually went back to Chicago as a 6 PPG scrub at the same age. Chicago went 23-59 that season.

I miss anything there? :confusedshrug:


Nope.

I'll just add that Pippen has only 2 game-winners in his entire career, one of which was assisted by MJ when he was triple-teamed.. Otherwise, Pippen let MJ take every game-deciding shot.

His list of chokes (epic chokes) far exceeds his 2 game-winners:

1) 1990 ECF "migraines"
2) sitting out in Game 3 of 1994 ECSF
3) the entire 1996 Finals
4) Game 5 and 6 of 1998 Finals


Four epic chokes, which is twice as much as his GW's... :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

Everything in the OP makes Scottie sound like more of a glue guy than a leader. Basically he was the yang to Jordan's yin. Kept the peace while Jordan was the general who pushed everyone insanely hard.

EXACTLY what he was. Perfect description. He was the mother hen who coddled hurt egos and soothed things over when Jordan pushed everyone to their limits physically and mentally.

It was the standard good cop/bad cop paradigm. Yet as soon as Jordan left, we got a glimpse into Pippen's less ideal personality traits- the pouting, the passive aggression, etc.

[Smoke117]

Nope.

I'll just add that Pippen has only 2 game-winners in his entire career, one of which was assisted by MJ when he was triple-teamed.. Otherwise, Pippen let MJ take every game-deciding shot.

His list of chokes (epic chokes) far exceeds his 2 game-winners:

1) 1990 ECF "migraines"
2) sitting out in Game 3 of 1994 ECSF
3) the entire 1996 Finals
4) Game 5 and 6 of 1998 Finals


Four epic chokes, which is twice as much as his GW's... :oldlol:

You are so mad that Scottie had to carry Jordan on his back to get through the knicks in 93.

[mehyaM24]

Pippen wasn't even an all star caliber player til year 3, and not an all star until year 4.

In that time the Bulls had multiple 50+ win years. In Pippens rookie year, where he didn't start a single game and average 19 MPG, the Bulls won 47 and a playoff series.

I used to think that you were a quality poster but its clear now that you're the same dime-a-dozen DB troll found so often on this forum.

lebron had ZERO allstars when he went to the finals in 2007. how about in 2006 when he won his first playoff series against a team he was expected to lose vs?

like i've stated countless times - jordan played a hobbled celtics team in 87 who the bucks took to 7 games. the SAME bucks that jordan absolutely crushed in the regular season.

instead? jordan was swept, and finished 1-9 during his tenure without pippen as a bull.

if it makes you feel better labeling me a "troll", that's fine - but those are facts.

[LoneyROY7]

Big c*ck and an even bigger heart. :applause:

[knicksman]

:oldlol: OP on a meltdown now that his boy is 2/6.

[TheMan]

lebron had ZERO allstars when he went to the finals in 2007. how about in 2006 when he won his first playoff series against a team he was expected to lose vs?

like i've stated countless times - jordan played a hobbled celtics team in 87 who the bucks took to 7 games. the SAME bucks that jordan absolutely crushed in the regular season.

instead? jordan was swept, and finished 1-9 during his tenure without pippen as a bull.

if it makes you feel better labeling me a "troll", that's fine - but those are facts.
Neither did MJ in 91, 'cept the difference being he actually led his team to a title...:oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

Big c*ck and an even bigger heart. :applause:

:oldlol:

that's hilarious, but i'm not trying to take personal shots here. :no:

[mehyaM24]

Neither did MJ in 91, 'cept the difference being he actually led his team to a title...:oldlol:

pippen was an all-star the year before and years following post 91. not only that, but he was a top 10 player in 91. at the VERY least.

lebron didn't have that. not even close.