Will LeBron be remembered as a bigger choker than Wilt if he loses his next Finals?

[TheMan]

If the Cavs lose their next Finals, he will have lost with a stacked team (again) in a weak conference were he practically gets a free ride to the Finals, only to come up short time and again.

He will match Wilt's 2/7 Finals record.

Will he be remembered as a great RS player but a Finals choker like the Big Dipper? Always being surrounded with talent but under performing in the biggest stage? LBJ career Finals scoring numbers are inferior to his career RS stats so a case can be made that he doesn't up his game. Will he crack the GOAT top 10 or nah?

Discuss

[Prometheus]

LeBron will make it to the Finals every year for the next twenty years, and lose every single one.

He will finish his (extremely long) career 2 for 26. He will be remembered, for all eternity, as the biggest choker to ever play NBA basketball, any professional sport, or really any sort of competition whatsoever.

It's... fate.

[TheMan]

LeBron will make it to the Finals every year for the next twenty years, and lose every single one.

He will finish his (extremely long) career 2 for 26. He will be remembered, for all eternity, as the biggest choker to ever play NBA basketball, any professional sport, or really any sort of competition whatsoever.

It's... fate.
It's not hating calling him a choker. To be considered an all time great, you've got to raise your game in the biggest stage and his Finals averages are inferior to his RS averages so he's under performed so far. Even these last Finals were he shot a ton, his FG% was atrocious. If he even shoots at a 42% clip, Cavs win :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

It's not hating calling him a choker. To be considered an all time great, you've got to raise your game in the biggest stage and his Finals averages are inferior to his RS averages so he's under performed so far. Even these last Finals were he shot a ton, his FG% was atrocious. If he even shoots at a 42% clip, Cavs win :confusedshrug:

That's actually not true, only his shooting % drops 2-3 points, the rest of his numbers are basically the same as they are in the regular season/postseason. Wilt had a significantly bigger drop off in Finals ppg, while Kobe and arguably Bird have worse Finals numbers than LeBron

[Rose'sACL]

Bulls fans are so terrified of lebron.
Anyways, your thread is made on the basis of lebron's finals number which are better than birds and kobe's finals numbers.

[Marchesk]

Wilt had a significantly bigger drop off in Finals ppg, while Kobe and arguably Bird have worse Finals numbers than LeBron

Some of that has to do with when Wilt made the finals. His role was different on the 76ers and Lakers than it was as the league's top scorer with the Warriors.

[Smoke117]

You MJ stans are easily the most pathetic on the board. You are a fan of the player who everyone pretty much considers the GOAT, but are so insecure you have to make threads like this...:biggums: It's really, really sad, bro.

[TheMan]

You MJ stans are easily the most pathetic on the board. You are a fan of the player who everyone pretty much considers the GOAT, but are so insecure you have to make threads like this...:biggums: It's really, really sad, bro.
Just thought I'd answer mehyaM24 shit threads with a thread asking a legit question:confusedshrug:

:no: This has nothing to do with MJ, no one in their right mind puts LeBron on MJ's level :coleman:

[ArbitraryWater]

MJ stans... Chicago people... ISH :facepalm


LeBron will make it to the Finals every year for the next twenty years, and lose every single one.

He will finish his (extremely long) career 2 for 26. He will be remembered, for all eternity, as the biggest choker to ever play NBA basketball, any professional sport, or really any sort of competition whatsoever.

It's... fate.

yet.... you were on here predicting that the Cavs would win the title, then afterwards as someone bumped the thread said they would have at full power, and now, you seemingly push something that was outside of LeBron's doing on him.... again, ISH is brilliant ain't it :applause:

[TheMan]

MJ stans... Chicago people... ISH :facepalm



yet.... you were on here predicting that the Cavs would win the title, then afterwards as someone bumped the thread said they would have at full power, and now, you seemingly push something that was outside of LeBron's doing on him.... again, ISH is brilliant ain't it :applause:
Hey, I also thought the Cavs would win, but then LeBron played like a retarded version of Allen Iverson :facepalm

[mehyaM24]

LOL at this "retaliation" thread. wilt and lebron, at similar ages, already had more playoff success than jordan.

1-9 is forever attached to jordan's legacy - a legacy that was heavily built by his supporting cast, hence my thread.

[ArbitraryWater]

Hey, I also thought the Cavs would win, but then LeBron played like a retarded version of Allen Iverson :facepalm

sure, that must have been it.... except, he shot a higher percentage than AI, more points, and WAY more assists AND rebounds...

LeBron made the best out of the little he was handed. If you or anyone can't see that, they're dumb, and rely on trashy shit like 'LeBron ball doe'..

LeBron James was responsible for 70 of 91 Cavaliers points in Game 5 (40 scored, 30 assisted).
LeBron scored or assisted on 16 of the Cavs 17 buckets in the first half.

The main rotation consisted of:
Dellavedova, worst backup PG in the NBA
Shumpert, trash offensively, shooting 25%, takes bad fouls
Jr Smith, the most inconsistent, streaky and cold player in the NBA when he is, shooting 25%
Thompson, an absolutely inept offensively player, offensive rebound machie
Mozgov, worst hands in the NBA, solid rebounder, can give you 15 relatively efficient points
James Jones and Mike Miller are just bodies, the worst defenders in the NBA, should be in retirement

Difference in depth:
Cavs had to play James Jones nearly 20 mins a night
GSW could afford to sit Bogut, D Lee & Speights the final 3 games

Cavaliers without LeBron James on the court in the 2015 Finals:

JR Smith 0/9 FG
Delly 0/7 FG
J. Jones 0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG

Total 0/21 FG


LeBron's best finals performance ever, one of the GOATs.

[TheMan]

LOL at this "retaliation" thread. wilt and lebron, at similar ages, already had more playoff success than jordan.

1-9 is forever attached to jordan's legacy - a legacy that was heavily built by his supporting cast, hence my thread.
:yaohappy:

[mehyaM24]

:yaohappy:
at age 23, lebron already took his team to the finals. i'm not much of a wilt fan, but he at least got past the first round.

jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs.

:confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

sure, that must have been it.... except, he shot a higher percentage than AI, more points, and WAY more assists AND rebounds...

LeBron made the best out of the little he was handed. If you or anyone can't see that, they're dumb, and rely on trashy shit like 'LeBron ball doe'..

LeBron James was responsible for 70 of 91 Cavaliers points in Game 5 (40 scored, 30 assisted).
LeBron scored or assisted on 16 of the Cavs 17 buckets in the first half.

The main rotation consisted of:
Dellavedova, worst backup PG in the NBA
Shumpert, trash offensively, shooting 25%, takes bad fouls
Jr Smith, the most inconsistent, streaky and cold player in the NBA when he is, shooting 25%
Thompson, an absolutely inept offensively player, offensive rebound machie
Mozgov, worst hands in the NBA, solid rebounder, can give you 15 relatively efficient points
James Jones and Mike Miller are just bodies, the worst defenders in the NBA, should be in retirement

Difference in depth:
Cavs had to play James Jones nearly 20 mins a night
GSW could afford to sit Bogut, D Lee & Speights the final 3 games

Cavaliers without LeBron James on the court in the 2015 Finals:

JR Smith 0/9 FG
Delly 0/7 FG
J. Jones 0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG

Total 0/21 FG


LeBron's best finals performance ever, one of the GOATs.

Guess this was to be avoided... MJ stans are utter pests

[Braincells]

Don't blame Lebron... blame the playoff seedings. It clearly needs to change since teams in the East can't get it done..

It's not his fault that he dominates a weak conference. The Heat will probably give them a legitimate challenge if healthy though.

[kennethgriffin]

If the Cavs lose their next Finals, he will have lost with a stacked team (again) in a weak conference were he practically gets a free ride to the Finals, only to come up short time and again.

He will match Wilt's 2/7 Finals record.

Will he be remembered as a great RS player but a Finals choker like the Big Dipper? Always being surrounded with talent but under performing in the biggest stage? LBJ career Finals scoring numbers are inferior to his career RS stats so a case can be made that he doesn't up his game. Will he crack the GOAT top 10 or nah?

Discuss

wilts 2 for 6


so yes lebron being 2 for 7 will be worse

[kennethgriffin]

Don't blame Lebron... blame the playoff seedings. It clearly needs to change since teams in the East can't get it done..

It's not his fault that he dominates a weak conference. The Heat will probably give them a legitimate challenge if healthy though.


cant legitimize his titles if we cant legitimize his finals appearances


anyone can fluke 2 out of 6 series as an upset


if youre the worse team in every finals. youre bound to win 1

its just a little over 1 week of basketball...


this is why real titles are made via 4 rounds. not one


both lebrons titles deserve asterisks if we give him a free pass on the finals losses

[TheMarkMadsen]

sure, that must have been it.... except, he shot a higher percentage than AI, more points, and WAY more assists AND rebounds...




why do you lie so much??

Bran: 36 ppg on 39.8% 48% TS

Iverson: 36 ppg on 40.7% 49% TS

[TheMarkMadsen]

any all time great in their prime could put up a high amount of ppg on terrible efficiency while getting destroyed in the last 3 games of the finals if they were single covered the entire time and put on an island against a 30+ year old bench player

[Droid101]

why do you lie so much??

Bran: 36 ppg on 39.8% 48% TS

Iverson: 36 ppg on 40.7% 49% TS
Because he's a ballgagging piece of shit loser.

[Angel Face]

Ah, the 2/6 bros. It's really close right now, close because LeBran's stats is a little bit better than Wilt in the Finals, both players' stats shrink from regular season to finals, but for a scorer like Wilt from 30ppg to 18ppg in the finals is just unacceptable. Then for Lebron, with all those collusions, only, 2/6? stats shrink come Finals, unseen in the 4 quarters and an 8 point Finals game for a superstar. Damn!

Both are masters of their craft, but right now;

1a. Wilt
1b. LeBron

Now if Lebron makes another finals appearance and have another atrocious performance, then I might place him above Wilt.

[ArbitraryWater]

why do you lie so much??

Bran: 36 ppg on 39.8% 48% TS

Iverson: 36 ppg on 40.7% 49% TS

35.8 pts on 39.8% vs 35.6 pts on 40.7%...

yeah, someone here sure looks like the retarded version (scoring wise)... as always, you completely missed the point, unsurprisingly, another from the dumbest fanbase in the world agrees with you... not a good look.

[TheMarkMadsen]

35.8 pts on 39.8% vs 35.6 pts on 40.7%...

yeah, someone here sure looks like the retarded version (scoring wise)... as always, you completely missed the point, unsurprisingly, another from the dumbest fanbase in the world agrees with you... not a good look.

yeah you said bran scored more on better efficiency which he didn't.

basically what we learned from this is that if you give prime lebron single coverage for an entire series he can put up 36 points on 35 shots per game just like AI...

very impressive

:applause: :applause:

[Rocketswin2013]

It's like you fggots ignore how well players actually play.

[Droid101]

yeah you said bran scored more on better efficiency which he didn't.

basically what we learned from this is that if you give prime lebron single coverage for an entire series he can put up 36 points on 35 shots per game just like AI...

very impressive

:applause: :applause:
To be fair to AI, he got double teamed way more than bran did this finals.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Lebron's definitely not rn, as he has a valid excuse for '15 and '07.

Lebron's stats also don't drop in the finals, so yeah...

if he gets some more 2011s though he's the GOAT choker :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

yeah you said bran scored more on better efficiency which he didn't.

basically what we learned from this is that if you give prime lebron single coverage for an entire series he can put up 36 points on 35 shots per game just like AI...

very impressive

:applause: :applause:

great, you're so dense yay.. this was like LeBron's 7th best version, no one's ever even said otherwise.

[GimmeThat]

the honest truth?
It depends on how great a player steph curry is, or the psychological effect is really minimal.

[knicksman]

sure, that must have been it.... except, he shot a higher percentage than AI, more points, and WAY more assists AND rebounds...

LeBron made the best out of the little he was handed. If you or anyone can't see that, they're dumb, and rely on trashy shit like 'LeBron ball doe'..

LeBron James was responsible for 70 of 91 Cavaliers points in Game 5 (40 scored, 30 assisted).
LeBron scored or assisted on 16 of the Cavs 17 buckets in the first half.

The main rotation consisted of:
Dellavedova, worst backup PG in the NBA
Shumpert, trash offensively, shooting 25%, takes bad fouls
Jr Smith, the most inconsistent, streaky and cold player in the NBA when he is, shooting 25%
Thompson, an absolutely inept offensively player, offensive rebound machie
Mozgov, worst hands in the NBA, solid rebounder, can give you 15 relatively efficient points
James Jones and Mike Miller are just bodies, the worst defenders in the NBA, should be in retirement

Difference in depth:
Cavs had to play James Jones nearly 20 mins a night
GSW could afford to sit Bogut, D Lee & Speights the final 3 games

Cavaliers without LeBron James on the court in the 2015 Finals:

JR Smith 0/9 FG
Delly 0/7 FG
J. Jones 0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG

Total 0/21 FG


LeBron's best finals performance ever, one of the GOATs.

You dont know how to win if you think production/stats is the only thing that matters bro. As the saying goes, you might have won the battle but lost the war. The greatest leaders also happens to be the greatest winners coz they sacrificed stats for rings. Meanwhile bran is a stat first win second type of guy. He would take his stats first during 1st to 3rd qtrs then leave his teammates in the clutch coz he knows that there are those who dont know this game beyond stats that would excuse him once he has the stats.

[G0ATbe]

He surpassed Wilt in that regard in 2014.

[AintNoSunshine]

If the Cavs lose their next Finals, he will have lost with a stacked team (again) in a weak conference were he practically gets a free ride to the Finals, only to come up short time and again.

He will match Wilt's 2/7 Finals record.

Will he be remembered as a great RS player but a Finals choker like the Big Dipper? Always being surrounded with talent but under performing in the biggest stage? LBJ career Finals scoring numbers are inferior to his career RS stats so a case can be made that he doesn't up his game. Will he crack the GOAT top 10 or nah?

Discuss


Are you referring to this past Finals?

[RRR3]

any all time great in their prime could put up a high amount of ppg on terrible efficiency while getting destroyed in the last 3 games of the finals if they were single covered the entire time and put on an island against a 30+ year old bench player
Right I remember those 36 PPG finals Kobe had when he was single covered because of Shaq.

[Droid101]

Right I remember those 36 PPG finals Kobe had when he was single covered because of Shaq.
So, you missed all the posts stating "with the same amount of shots" that LeBron took? Being purposefully obtuse?

You're better than that.

[mehyaM24]

So, you missed all the posts stating "with the same amount of shots" that LeBron took? Being purposefully obtuse?

You're better than that.

lol @ this fraud

what's the difference? in another thread, you just got finished saying the reason jordan got shut-down by payton in the finals is because he stopped "caring" and "trying". :rolleyes:

[knicksman]

lol @ this fraud

what's the difference? in another thread, you just got finished saying the reason jordan got shut-down by payton in the finals is because he stopped "caring" and "trying". :rolleyes:

Because jordan has different mentality than bran. Jordan is alpha and doesnt try during garbage time while the opposite is true for bran.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Right I remember those 36 PPG finals Kobe had when he was single covered because of Shaq.

this doesn't even make sense

Shaq would have to be off the floor for his teammate to even dream of getting an entire side of the court plus the paint completely wide open for every possession

and as Droid already pointed out, you aren't even following what I said.. I'm sure there are plenty of people who could score 36 points on 35 shots per game on 47% TS while losing..

don't be both sensitive and stupid, stick to being sensitive

[mehyaM24]

Because jordan has different mentality than bran. Jordan is alpha and doesnt try during garbage time while the opposite is true for bran.

not giving your full effort and to stop playing would be the literal definition of a beta - again, if we're applying this logic, why would we call it anything else?

[RRR3]

this doesn't even make sense

Shaq would have to be off the floor for his teammate to even dream of getting an entire side of the court plus the paint completely wide open for every possession

and as Droid already pointed out, you aren't even following what I said.. I'm sure there are plenty of people who could score 36 points on 35 shots per game on 47% TS while losing..

don't be both sensitive and stupid, stick to being sensitive
This is sad. The paint being open in the 2015 finals is one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard.


You guys are just making shit up.

[knicksman]

not giving your full effort and to stop playing would be the literal definition of a beta - again, if we're applying this logic, why would we call it anything else?

Alpha-steps up when nobody is capable aka clutch player.
Beta-steps up when everyone is capable aka bran.

Alphas arent bullies who picks on the weaks(garbage time)

[TheMarkMadsen]

This is sad. The paint being open in the 2015 finals is one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard.


You guys are just making shit up.

:roll: :roll:

I got this dude so shook he's negging me & leaving messages..

you clearly are delusional, or were watching the finals with your hands over your face scared to watch


biggest moment of the game.. tied with less than 90 seconds left in the 4th..

not a single white Jersey in the paint until Bran goes up for the shot..

they were daring him to beat them with his iso skills and he just couldn't get the job done as usual


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/P5Zone.gif

[Droid101]

This is sad. The paint being open in the 2015 finals is one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard.


You guys are just making shit up.
Uhh.... the paint was wide open on most of LeBron's isos. Are you forgetting or something? wtf

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/xUCd0U.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/CU5j5S.gif

[RRR3]

:roll: :roll:

I got this dude so shook he's negging me & leaving messages..

you clearly are delusional, or were watching the finals with your hands over your face scared to watch


biggest moment of the game.. tied with less than 90 seconds left in the 4th..

not a single white Jersey in the paint until Bran goes up for the shot..

they were daring him to beat them with his iso skills and he just couldn't get the job done as usual


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/P5Zone.gif
Didn't neg you and the only thing you are doing right now is irritating me.

Posting a gif where LeBron takes a well contested fadeaway proves what exactly? That they played good defense?

[RRR3]

The defense collapsed on LeBron whenever he drove. Are you guys retarded?

Iggy guarding him one on one in the post and him missing fadeaways has what to do with driving?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Didn't neg you and the only thing you are doing right now is irritating me.

Posting a gif where LeBron takes a well contested fadeaway proves what exactly? That they played good defense?

nobody is in the paint

put on your glasses

[ArbitraryWater]

Bron with a near 40 pt triple double in a finals series against the #1 rated defense and no offensive stars/help though :bowdown:

GOAT level series

[RRR3]

nobody is in the paint

put on your glasses
LeBron wasn't in the paint in that gif either you idiot so why does it matter.

[ArbitraryWater]

We bark and discuss so much, but we can all sit back and enjoy greatness when we see it :cheers:

Lakers supporters or not, at least we can agree on this being one of the finest finals performances ever :cheers:

[Asukal]

2/7 in the modern era is not as bad as 2/7 in the 60's. :no:

2/7 in the 60's as the most dominant force in the league is the greatest choke job in nba history. lebron can hold 2nd place tho. :oldlol:

[RRR3]

We bark and discuss so much, but we can all sit back and enjoy greatness when we see it :cheers:

Lakers supporters or not, at least we can agree on this being one of the finest finals performances ever :cheers:
It's not even about that. It's just really tiresome at this point having to read the same old LeBron sucks shit from Kobe fans.

[TheMarkMadsen]

game 4:

Mozgof = 28 points on 56%

Bran = 21 on 31%


next game Mozgof plays only 9 minutes because bran needs more spacing

if your game literally makes the guy going for 28 points obsolete because you need more spacing, then that's your own damn fault

[RRR3]

game 4:

Mozgof = 28 points on 56%

Bran = 21 on 31%


next game Mozgof plays only 9 minutes because bran needs more spacing

if your game literally makes the guy going for 28 points obsolete because you need more spacing, then that's your own damn fault
What are you even trying to prove at this point? That you don't like LeBron? We know that you don't have to remind us.

[TheMarkMadsen]

What are you even trying to prove at this point? That you don't like LeBron? We know that you don't have to remind us.

lebrons biggest weapon in the series wasn't able to play his game because the cavs couldn't play TT and Mozgof together for long stretches for it fucced with Lebron's game because he needs more spacing

[ArbitraryWater]

game 4:

Mozgof = 28 points on 56%

Bran = 21 on 31%


next game Mozgof plays only 9 minutes because bran needs more spacing

if your game literally makes the guy going for 28 points obsolete because you need more spacing, then that's your own damn fault

damn, Mozgov with his career high in the NBA finals? Gets a bigger role among Bron and BAM career high? Bron per usual making bigs better :bowdown:

then Blatt :facepalm

[RRR3]

lebrons biggest weapon in the series wasn't able to play his game because the cavs couldn't play TT and Mozgof together for long stretches for it fucced with Lebron's game because he needs more spacing
Dude there is no point in arguing with you because you have zero objectivity about LeBron. The fact that you act like you do is hilarious.

[TheMarkMadsen]

it's funny how we are in here talking about what actually happened during the game..

no wonder lebron stans can't retort and are continuously getting their shit pushed in by 3ball..

because if you can't read it off a stat sheet then it's irrelevant to them

[TheMarkMadsen]

Dude there is no point in arguing with you because you have zero objectivity about LeBron. The fact that you act like you do is hilarious.

i'm talking about the game and what occurred, making a point for why the stats you see on the stat sheet aren't as impressive when you take in the context of the game

and of course your response is

":cry: :cry: you don't like lebron just stop"

[ArbitraryWater]

it's funny how we are in here talking about what actually happened during the game..

no wonder lebron stans can't retort and are continuously getting their shit pushed in by 3ball..

because if you can't read it off a stat sheet then it's irrelevant to them

actually happened =/= making shit up

[RRR3]

it's funny how we are in here talking about what actually happened during the game..

no wonder lebron stans can't retort and are continuously getting their shit pushed in by 3ball..

because if you can't read it off a stat sheet then it's irrelevant to them
3ball pushes no ones shit in. Are you an idiot? :biggums:

We don't need to retort. LeBron tried his best and didn't win but he went down shooting and he was on the severe underdog team. Sure he could have done a lot better in many areas but there is nothing wrong with how he played effort wise. I'm sure you'll disagree but i don't care what you think anyways.

[RRR3]

i'm talking about the game and what occurred, making a point for why the stats you see on the stat sheet aren't as impressive when you take in the context of the game

and of course your response is

":cry: :cry: you don't like lebron just stop"
Where did I say LeBron was legendary in the finals? Don't put words in my mouth you ******.

[TheMarkMadsen]

then Blatt realized lebron isn't as effective with 2 bigs on the court so he sat Mozgof for game 5 :facepalm

totally agree

[TheMarkMadsen]

Where did I say LeBron was legendary in the finals? Don't put words in my mouth you ******.

I never said that you did.. you're the one that quoted me and in the first place when I wasn't even talking to you fucc boy

I was discussing Lebron and how he was put on an island and Iso'd the entire time and of course your sensitive ass had to chime in with something about Kobe..

all I did was continue making the point I was making before you butted into my conversation

[mehyaM24]

It's not even about that. It's just really tiresome at this point having to read the same old LeBron sucks shit from Kobe fans.

its not just them. i've been debating with mostly jordan fans about this topic. they seem to think he played worse than jordan did vs the sonics. :oldlol:

they're the absolute worst, because they should know better.

[ArbitraryWater]

totally agree

http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/stopit.png

at least you handsome :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

so much hatred here... hurts to see

http://latesthealthtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Chest-pain1.jpg

[RRR3]

I never said that you did.. you're the one that quoted me and in the first place when I wasn't even talking to you fucc boy

I was discussing Lebron and how he was put on an island and Iso'd the entire time and of course your sensitive ass had to chime in with something about Kobe..

all I did was continue making the point I was making before you butted into my conversation
Bringing up Kobe was a mistake and I really should know better at this point, but the reason we bring up Kobe in these discussions is because we know where your LeBron bashing agenda is rooted.


Recklessly exaggerating and acting like LeBron is terrible because he didn't score more efficiently, because "it was so easy to score on the warriors" or whatever is just as bad as saying "LeBron GOAT finals". Why can't you see that? Because you only care about one side of the story.

[34-24 Footwork]

I think Lebron would be the bigger choker. He's bigger, stronger than everyone, but it's to the detriment of everyone around him because he plays out of position.

[RRR3]

its not just them. i've been debating with mostly jordan fans about this topic. they seem to think he played worse than jordan did vs the sonics. :oldlol:

they're the absolute worst, because they should know better.
Jordan fans are worse in some ways because I don't even know WHY they are insecure about LeBron. Hell they were insecure about Kobe too.

[RRR3]

Riddle me this markmadsen,

Let's say for the sake of this argument Kobe is unquestionably better than LeBron and always will be.


Why do you hate LeBron then? He has never beaten your team in the playoffs, he isn't disrespectful to Kobe, and he never said he'd come to the Lakers. What he has done in his career has had very little impact on Kobe or the Lakers.


So why do you hate him?

[34-24 Footwork]

Riddle me this markmadsen,

Let's say for the sake of this argument Kobe is unquestionably better than LeBron and always will be.


Why do you hate LeBron then? He has never beaten your team in the playoffs, he isn't disrespectful to Kobe, and he never said he'd come to the Lakers. What he has done in his career has had very little impact on Kobe or the Lakers.


So why do you hate him?

Dude. Chill out with the sensitivity. No one hates Lebron. I'm sure most people loved to watch Lebron 2007-2009. But 6 finals losses and only 2 wins Isn't that impressive. Wanna take out Cleveland finals runs? Ok.

Winning 2/4 with Ray Allen and D Wade isn't that impressive either.

..and let's not talk about conference competition.

No one hates him. Just kids like you don't put his career in the proper perspective....

With him losing speed, and lacking a jumpshot, he'll never find those easy baskets the way other greats did. He'll always be fatigued and banged up. He can't play any other way....

[RRR3]

Dude. Chill out with the sensitivity. No one hates Lebron. I'm sure most people loved to watch Lebron 2007-2009. But 6 finals losses and only 2 wins Isn't that impressive. Wanna take out Cleveland finals runs? Ok.

Winning 2/4 with Ray Allen and D Wade isn't that impressive either.

..and let's not talk about conference competition.

No one hates him. Just kids like you don't put his career in the proper perspective....

With him losing speed, and lacking a jumpshot, he'll never find those easy baskets the way other greats did. He'll always be fatigued and banged up. He can't play any other way....
Besides the "nobody hates him" part I agree with a lot of what you said. I am disappointed that his jumpshot went sour after he became a Very good 2014. His finishing and post moves also looked way worse which is odd. I don't think 2/6 is a good argument. He failed to win 6 other times.

I really don't think I overrate LeBron tbqh. I am very biased towards him and I used to hate on Kobe because I get sick of Kobe fans but I'm not dubeta and I'm tired of being treated like him just because I like LeBron. Dubeta is an idiot.

[Heavincent]

Iguodala was certainly on an island against Lebron. There's no denying that. No double team, no shading, no nothing. The defense collapsing when he gets a lane to the basket is just a basic principle of defense, whether it's Lebron or Delly.

[RRR3]

LeBrons jumper was busted in the playoffs. And driving was getting him nowhere; he was getting no calls on drives. What do you want him to do? :confusedshrug:

He tried he didn't choke he didn't play badly he just could have shot better obviously. Acting like he had a bad finals or that he cost his team a ring is stupid.

[Heavincent]

LeBrons jumper was busted in the playoffs. And driving was getting him nowhere; he was getting no calls on drives. What do you want him to do? :confusedshrug:

He tried he didn't choke he didn't play badly he just could have shot better obviously. Acting like he had a bad finals or that he cost his team a ring is stupid.

Let me clarify: Lebron clearly didn't have sufficient help to beat a great Warriors team. It's not his fault. HOWEVER, saying his series was some "GOAT level shit" is laughable and anyone he says that should not be taken seriously. Due to the Cavs lack of playmakers, they were forced to play Bran iso ball...the results were utterly disastrous from an offensive standpoint. Make no mistake, they won those 2 games in spite of their putrid offense. The Cavs shot like 33% in game 2 for ****'s sake. The also stifled the Warriors offense in game 3. GS finally got hot in the 4th quarter, but the defensive work the Cavs did through the first 3 quarters was enough to hang on and win.

It was basically Iguodala vs Lebron (1-on-1) for most of the Cavs possessions. Iguodala won most of the time. People are gonna jump down my throat for bringing up Kobe, but I do believe this series would have been more favorable for him, due to him being a superior iso scorer imo. Doesn't necessarily mean he's a better player or that the Cavs would've won with Kobe instead of Bran, but this type of series is more suited to his strengths.

[RRR3]

Let me clarify: Lebron clearly didn't have sufficient help to beat a great Warriors team. It's not his fault. HOWEVER, saying his series was some "GOAT level shit" is laughable and anyone he says that should not be taken seriously. Due to the Cavs lack of playmakers, they were forced to play Bran iso ball...the results were utterly disastrous from an offensive standpoint. Make no mistake, they won those 2 games in spite of their putrid offense. The Cavs shot like 33% in game 2 for ****'s sake. The also stifled the Warriors offense in game 3. GS finally got hot in the 4th quarter, but the defensive work the Cavs did through the first 3 quarters was enough to hang on and win.

It was basically Iguodala vs Lebron (1-on-1) for most of the Cavs possessions. Iguodala won most of the time. People are gonna jump down my throat for bringing up Kobe, but I do believe this series would have been more favorable for him, due to him being a superior iso scorer imo. Doesn't necessarily mean he's a better player or that the Cavs would've won with Kobe instead of Bran, but this type of series is more suited to his strengths.
Bringing up Kobe shows your agenda. It's also unfair to compare Kobe at his best to one of the weakest versions of LeBron. 2012-14 LeBron wins this series easily (if he is in attack mode like he was) and you know it.


Who is saying it is GOAT level? Idiots?

[RRR3]

Unless LeBron proves me wrong I think he is declining now. And 2014 was the last year he truly was the LeBron we all are used to. Honestly his scoring skill set was about 3x as good in 2014. He slowed down considerably this year. That doesn't explain why he forgot how to shoot though I'll give you that.

[Heavincent]

Bringing up Kobe shows your agenda. It's also unfair to compare Kobe at his best to one of the weakest versions of LeBron. 2012-14 LeBron wins this series easily (if he is in attack mode like he was) and you know it.


Who is saying it is GOAT level? Idiots?


Bron with a near 40 pt triple double in a finals series against the #1 rated defense and no offensive stars/help though :bowdown:

GOAT level series

I don't have an agenda. You could swap Kobe for even someone like T-Mac (super smooth iso scorer), and Jordan of course. Iso scoring isn't Bran's greatest strength as a player. That's all I'm saying.

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The days of lebron being unpredictable are OVER. He needs to start complementing the game of his TEAMMATES and not vice versa. If he's gonna hold the ball for that long/only shoot layups, he needs to permanently move to the PF position to allow for more floor spacing. Without an effective jumper and playing at the small forward position, his teammates won't be capable of maximizing their own talent.

The fact that bran fans don't realize that Kyrie is more of an offensive threat than leBron is sad...

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Of course....him being at the position that best suits his style will impact his stats...which is what I think he ultimately plays for...

[RRR3]

I don't have an agenda. You could swap Kobe for even someone like T-Mac (super smooth iso scorer), and Jordan of course. Iso scoring isn't Bran's greatest strength as a player. That's all I'm saying.
AW is either fighting trolling with trolling or being biased.


LeBron was a really good ISO scorer previously. He has lost a ton of his ISO skills as I said. Do I think peak Kobe does a better job than 2015 LeBron if the Warriors player him the same way? Of course. But they would likely trap him and force him to pass so it wouldn't be the same anyways.

[RRR3]

LeBron at his best is so much better than Kyrie as a scorer it's not even funny. Kyrie is likely to be a better scorer than LeBron soon enough but at their best it isn't a debate.

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We just seen lebron at his best. He was played one on one.

The fact that Kyrie dropped 50+ on Kawhi this season made your argument null. He made it look effortless. Show some respect. He's the better shooter, driver, and creator at this point.

Just let it go man....it'll be alright.

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Warriors playing bran 1 vs 1 was the most disrespectful thing I've ever witnessed...

Single coverage vs someone whose been out of his prime for about 4 years.

[RRR3]

If you think LeBron was anywhere near his best in 2015 you're an idiot.

Kyrie has no argument over LeBron as a scorer that is asinine. Jesus Christ. The guy scores like 21 ppg.

[RRR3]

Warriors playing bran 1 vs 1 was the most disrespectful thing I've ever witnessed...

Single coverage vs someone whose been out of his prime for about 4 years.
LeBrons not in his prime either. Quit trying to act like you are objective about LeBron it's hilariously obvious you aren't.

[Droid101]

AW is either fighting trolling with trolling or being biased.


No, he's dead serious. Look at any of his posts in the NBA forum. All 100% bran GOAT level propaganda all the time.

[RRR3]

No, he's dead serious. Look at any of his posts in the NBA forum. All 100% bran GOAT level propaganda all the time.
That would fit under "biased". I hope he doesn't honestly believe that but if he does well he's obviously biased towards LeBron. So am I but I'm not delusional.

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If you think LeBron was anywhere near his best in 2015 you're an idiot.

Kyrie has no argument over LeBron as a scorer that is asinine. Jesus Christ. The guy scores like 21 ppg.

So a super young Kyrie is at his best? Lol. It's over for Lebron man. Him dropping all those points will come at the expense of more skilled scorers that decode to join the Cavs.

[RRR3]

So a super young Kyrie is at his best? Lol. It's over for Lebron man. Him dropping all those points will come at the expense of more skilled scorers that decode to join the Cavs.
Willing to bet that Kyrie never reaches the level of a scorer that LeBron did (30 PPG seasons, scoring title, 11 straight 25+ PPG season so, multiple times leading playoffs in scoring, 10 50+ games). LeBron is currently 4th all time in ppg and 5th all time in playoff ppg. That will drop but not to the point where Kyrie will reach it

[TheMan]

Let me clarify: Lebron clearly didn't have sufficient help to beat a great Warriors team. It's not his fault. HOWEVER, saying his series was some "GOAT level shit" is laughable and anyone he says that should not be taken seriously. Due to the Cavs lack of playmakers, they were forced to play Bran iso ball...the results were utterly disastrous from an offensive standpoint. Make no mistake, they won those 2 games in spite of their putrid offense. The Cavs shot like 33% in game 2 for ****'s sake. The also stifled the Warriors offense in game 3. GS finally got hot in the 4th quarter, but the defensive work the Cavs did through the first 3 quarters was enough to hang on and win.

It was basically Iguodala vs Lebron (1-on-1) for most of the Cavs possessions. Iguodala won most of the time. People are gonna jump down my throat for bringing up Kobe, but I do believe this series would have been more favorable for him, due to him being a superior iso scorer imo. Doesn't necessarily mean he's a better player or that the Cavs would've won with Kobe instead of Bran, but this type of series is more suited to his strengths.
:applause:

Any legit NBA star could've posted the same if not better stats than LeBron in these last Finals if he got to hog and chuck the ball as much as Bran did. Lol as that being some GOAT Finals performance :yaohappy:

[TheMan]

Bringing up Kobe shows your agenda. It's also unfair to compare Kobe at his best to one of the weakest versions of LeBron. 2012-14 LeBron wins this series easily (if he is in attack mode like he was) and you know it.


Who is saying it is GOAT level? Idiots?
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