Block a shot on one end immediately score on the other - most dominant type of play?

[CavaliersFTW]

Bill Russell called it the 4 point play. A quick net negative 2 on one end and a plus two on the other. Sometimes it can be worth more than 4 especially in the modern game where one could theoretically block a 3 and make a 3, getting fouled could make it as much as a 7 point play.

I've got film of Mikan, Russell, Wilt, and Gus Johnson doing it in the era I collect film from, and an example of a player I distinctly recall highlights from doing it from in the more modern game would be Charles Barkley. I'm sure many many players have done it even ones who aren't necessarily known for playing on both ends but it seems like a particularly dominant type of play as it reflects ability to really make impact on both ends. Anyone else agree?

[Doranku]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzoatwxbECQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyuY6tBF8DE

[Milbuck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B323b9Fi63I

:dancin :basketball

[Doranku]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B323b9Fi63I

:dancin :basketball
:biggums: God damn.


Best example I can think of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEYhkWNRVI

:biggums: :biggums: God DAMN.

[WillC]

Best example I can think of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEYhkWNRVI

[andgar923]

I'm sure there's a good number that have.

[KendrickPerkins]

They'd be separate plays, so no.

The most dominant is getting fouled on a 3 and making the shot. Clown.

[CavaliersFTW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzoatwxbECQ
Precisely the type of play I'm talking about :applause:

What do you think though, the most dominant type of play a player can make?

I can't think of any ways off hand a player can positively impact a game in one sequence more than that.

[inclinerator]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhDfeycYRYM

[CavaliersFTW]

I'm sure there's a good number that have.
Of course, but my question isn't how many have done it it's is it the most dominant type of play a player can make?

[BlakFrankWhite]

Westbrook coast to coast vs Sixers was the best

[KendrickPerkins]

Of course, but my question isn't how many have done it it's is it the most dominant type of play a player can make?
No, because they're different plays.

Making a 3 while getting fouled is the most dominant play, clown.

[CavaliersFTW]

No, because they're different plays.

Making a 3 while getting fouled is the most dominant play, clown.
Nah, I'm pretty sure blocking a shot then scoring can be considered one seamless play on both ends.

Just like grabbing a rebound and pushing it up the court on your own and scoring straight off the rebound is also considered an impressive type of play. The "coast to coast".

[Rose'sACL]

https://youtu.be/ncVxYAsSAko?t=156

this one fits OP's definition.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Of course, but my question isn't how many have done it it's is it the most dominant type of play a player can make?
How bout this?

Block
Assist
Steal
Score

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnFWhYHvoWQ

[KendrickPerkins]

Nah, I'm pretty sure blocking a shot then scoring can be considered one seamless play on both ends.

Just like grabbing a rebound and pushing it up the court on your own and scoring straight off the rebound is also considered an impressive type of play. The "coast to coast".
I don't consider it one play.

[CavaliersFTW]

You guys are all finding great examples, exactly the types of plays I'm talking about.

What do you guys think, is it about the most impact a single player can have in short sequence? I really can't think of another type of coast to coast play that is more individually impactful or impressive.

[Young X]

Does Jordan's layup-steal-GW sequence against the Jazz to win the championship count? Or does it have to be a block?

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't consider it one play.
Awe, good for you

https://38.media.tumblr.com/c70bb80a4c42442520f25d11bc400505/tumblr_mnzjaewD4m1snfk6jo1_400.gif

[CavaliersFTW]

Does Jordan's layup-steal-GW sequence against the Jazz to win the championship count? Or does it have to be a block?
I think a steal than a score is also extremely dominant, but when I think about it I'd say it's perhaps one tier lower than a block because a block was a rejection of the attempt to score. The steal is a forced turnover. What do you think? This is sort of an open ended question if you think a steal then score is more dominant than a block and score then now you could build your case for it.

Dominating coast plays (as far as I can tell):

Grab the rebound, then score.

Pick a players pocket or intercept a pass, then score.

Block a shot, then score. - In my opinion this is the most dominant because you rejected a potential 2+, then scored 2+

Bonus points if you also handled the ball in transition.

[KendrickPerkins]

I think a steal than a score is also extremely dominant, but when I think about it I'd say it's perhaps one tier lower than a block because a block was a rejection of the attempt to score. The steal is a forced turnover. What do you think? This is sort of an open ended question if you think a steal then score is more dominant than a block and score then now you could build your case for it.
Steal and a score more efficient doe. :confusedshrug:

[Cocaine80s]

This one is the best, easily

Wiggins on Harden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJnarXYrFSs

[Heavincent]

Andre Iguodala block in transition (2-on-1) and putback dunk on other end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvCYTE1PshU

[KendrickPerkins]

This one is the best, easily

Wiggins on Harden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJnarXYrFSs
Those are two very nice plays.

[Dr Hawk]

Wade's block on Amar'e plus the halfcourt shot was better

[lilteapot]

Post more everyone, these plays are insanely fun

[JimmyMcAdocious]

imo, a steal is more valuable than a block because it's a definitive change of possession, whereas a block could simply be given back to the offensive team be it typically as a rebound or out of bounds.

But for what you're looking at, I don't think it makes any difference. There's no guarantee the block was denying a sure 2 or 3 points anyhow, so they're equal in one defensive stop + fastbreak.

I prefer when it's done as a team, tho. That Portland play with TRob comes to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhdYpW2ocso

[CavaliersFTW]

How bout this?

Block
Assist
Steal
Score

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnFWhYHvoWQ
I personally think blocking and scoring is more individually dominant than blocking and assisting. What do you think? It's not like there's a shortage of plays of Lebron blocking then scoring either.

[Legends66NBA7]

Had to dig up this one.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c7eAhFgCv5M

[KendrickPerkins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyuY6tBF8DE

IN THE FINALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WillC]

Nothing's going to top my Jeremy Evans video link, but this one is nice too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CIo_j4UF7c

[Legends66NBA7]

Not the greatest dunk but a pretty sick block.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ArBGyJMw_Bw

[DonDadda59]

Best example I can think of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEYhkWNRVI

I've never seen a player get owned so thoroughly and comprehensively soul raped as Ronny Turiaf was here. Holy Shit. You could see his soul leaving his body on film. Why he wasn't cut on the spot and then proceeded to commit ritual sepukuu in the locker room is beyond me.

Mah GAWD :eek:

[Heavincent]

Best example I can think of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEYhkWNRVI

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Millslapped]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz6pWZFwFnU

[STATUTORY]

imo, a steal is more valuable than a block because it's a definitive change of possession, whereas a block could simply be given back to the offensive team be it typically as a rebound or out of bounds.

But for what you're looking at, I don't think it makes any difference. There's no guarantee the block was denying a sure 2 or 3 points anyhow, so they're equal in one defensive stop + fastbreak.

I prefer when it's done as a team, tho. That Portland play with TRob comes to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhdYpW2ocso

block feels more psychologically dominant doe, unless you steal from a point guard then that's pretty debasing

http://i.imgur.com/IH8PEas.gif

but generally a block scars the opposing player more

[CavaliersFTW]

In general a steal is more valuable than a block because it's a definitive change of possession, whereas a block could simply be sent back right to the offensive team be it typically as a rebound or out of bounds.

But for what you're looking at, I don't think it makes any difference. There's no guarantee the block was denying 2 or 3 points anyhow.
I'm just calling it what Bill Russell called it, the 4 point play. In his mind you've guarantee'd a players shot attempt was rejected. He also calls forcing a player to miss/adjust there shot by playing good defense then ensuring your team grabs the rebound and scores a 4 point play. In his mind it's a team play, not an individual play. But when one player is responsible for most of those actions I'd think it becomes the most dominant individual play one player can make. When just one player literally blocks the shot in a way that secures possession (bonus points if they themselves grabbed the rebound), then scored on the other end (bonus points if they themselves handled the rock all the way there).

A few plays here were posted where a player blocked, rebounded, pushed the ball up the floor all on their own, then scored. When you see it, it's tough to imagine a more individually dominant sequence. I believe it's more psychologically valuable rejecting a shot attempt, even if only slightly, than a steal. I could be wrong though that might also depend on the player.

[WillC]

Ok, here's my new second favourite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6-YyHGR5Cg

[KendrickPerkins]

Most dominant duo in the league, by far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsEkCY8qPcc

[Kawhi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B323b9Fi63I

:dancin :basketball
Wow.

[Marchesk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B323b9Fi63I

Dr J style dunk :eek:

The Jeremy Evans one, though. Massive block on a jump shot then almost as good a dunk as Antetokounmpo.

[Young X]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7J8zlWatJo

This >>> the other plays in this thread.

[Wade's Rings]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/20150719/5231487/wade-block-then-poster-o.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/20150521/5211040/block-halfcourt-shot-o.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/20150521/5211015/unreal-speed-o.gif

[fragokota]

Best example I can think of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEYhkWNRVI

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[yarrak]

Lebron Dunk, Block, 3 Pointer Combo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPMAcNj41Ds

2009 Lebron:bowdown: :bowdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxU-FFSnt00

This one is pretty cool too. That block:biggums:

[Smoke117]

...nah, stealing the ball then shooting a game winning running 3pter (in 2OT) is the most dominant type of play...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y63BK1IEmOw

[Wade's Rings]

...nah, stealing the ball then shooting a game winning running 3pter is the most dominant type of play...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y63BK1IEmOw

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Millslapped]

...nah, stealing the ball then shooting a game winning running 3pter is the most dominant type of play...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y63BK1IEmOw
https://youtu.be/Dg_gnDLIEHo?t=6m46s

[Rocketswin2013]

How bout this?

Block
Assist
Steal
Score

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnFWhYHvoWQ
Was '13 LeBron not the greatest all-around season ever? He closed the lane, played fantastic trapping perimeter defense, played point guard, in the post, really good off-ball shooting. Pretty much everything.

That sequence was a good summary.

[Rocketswin2013]

...nah, stealing the ball then shooting a game winning running 3pter is the most dominant type of play...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y63BK1IEmOw
:applause:.

[ISHGoat]

The most dominant one is the one where you can get fouled on a three and make your free throw while blocking a guaranteed 2 points on the other end (i.e. a dunk or fast break layup). Blocking a jumpshot is not as good because usually even the best jump shooters wont be getting as much points/shot unless they can hit a wide open 3 at greater than 66% of the time to get more points/shot than a guaranteed dunk.

So yes OP, blocking a shot and immediately scoring is the best two way play you can do in a play that is two possessions in length.

[SugarHill]

Best example I can think of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEYhkWNRVI
yep

[SugarHill]

I've never seen a player get owned so thoroughly and comprehensively soul raped as Ronny Turiaf was here. Holy Shit. You could see his soul leaving his body on film. Why he wasn't cut on the spot and then proceeded to commit ritual sepukuu in the locker room is beyond me.

Mah GAWD :eek:
It really is the most dominant player I've ever seen. How do you get blocked so badly that it goes that far and then get posterized in the same play? :roll:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Giving a missed shot a -2 and calling that a 4pt play shows it was a weak era for math too lmfao :roll: :roll: :biggums:

It's neutral if ya miss, ya just get a donut, a zero. If you get blocked, stolen or miss every shot in a game u end wit 0 not negative 100 lmbao. You don't lose points in an NBA game unless the scoreboard messed up on a play.

[WTFdidNBAbigsGO]

Giving a missed shot a -2 and calling that a 4pt play shows it was a weak era for math too lmfao :roll: :roll: :biggums:

It's neutral if ya miss, ya just get a donut, a zero. If you get blocked, stolen or miss every shot in a game u end wit 0 not negative 100 lmbao. You don't lose points in an NBA game unless the scoreboard messed up on a play.
you are the dumbest motherfu*ker ever. a dunk is an automatic score, which would give you 2 more points, but by getting denied on those 2 sure points and giving 2 points to your opponent that is a 4pt swing.

He could of been up 2-0, but missed 2 easy points so 0-0. Then you score now you are up 2-0.......

[Heavincent]

Giving a missed shot a -2 and calling that a 4pt play shows it was a weak era for math too lmfao :roll: :roll: :biggums:

It's neutral if ya miss, ya just get a donut, a zero. If you get blocked, stolen or miss every shot in a game u end wit 0 not negative 100 lmbao. You don't lose points in an NBA game unless the scoreboard messed up on a play.

You've really never heard of a 4 point swing?

[3ball]

The good ol' 2 for 1 game-winner: score quickly, get steal, score GW:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di_U1nJO7tQ&t=10m14s


Or the "i will not lose" double game-winner with playoff series on the line:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZWw-wfH0mo&t=6m19s

[oarabbus]

Giving a missed shot a -2 and calling that a 4pt play shows it was a weak era for math too lmfao :roll: :roll: :biggums:

It's neutral if ya miss, ya just get a donut, a zero. If you get blocked, stolen or miss every shot in a game u end wit 0 not negative 100 lmbao. You don't lose points in an NBA game unless the scoreboard messed up on a play.


They call it a 4pt swing. Just like in football if you get a pick 6 on the goal line they'll call it a 14 point swing.

[Cocaine80s]

Giving a missed shot a -2 and calling that a 4pt play shows it was a weak era for math too lmfao :roll: :roll: :biggums:

It's neutral if ya miss, ya just get a donut, a zero. If you get blocked, stolen or miss every shot in a game u end wit 0 not negative 100 lmbao. You don't lose points in an NBA game unless the scoreboard messed up on a play.
****ing noob

[f0und]

how about a steal, then a diving save and oop all in one motion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sNIZj6qhig

[IllegalD]

Shaq block + fastbreak score vs Pistons, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUtIUnj37NE

[dankok8]

Bill Russell was famous for this play. That's why he's arguably the GOAT. 4-point swings can really turn a game around.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Block
Defensive rebound
Good pass
Offensive rebound
2 points

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6oIC8BZ7_0



Shaq block + fastbreak score vs Pistons, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUtIUnj37NE

:applause:

He also had a great one vs the Pacers in 2000 I think... Blocked Perkins' jumper then ran to the other end, got the pass, dunked the ball... Can't seem to find it.


Bobby Jones was great at blocking shots (especially chasedown) then running like a gazelle to the other end, getting the ball and finishing the play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIgJZjYSNn8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7nxOhaqZlE&t=1m28s

[CavaliersFTW]

Bill Russell was famous for this play. That's why he's arguably the GOAT. 4-point swings can really turn a game around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzoZ6JZS7w8

:cheers:

[kshutts1]

To answer the OP, rather than post an amazing video that shows the play in question... I personally think that one player blocking three shots in a single defensive possession is more dominating, but it's all because of the psyche.

Block then score is incredible, and arguably the best thing to pump up any arena... but blocking three shots in a single possession just tells the other team to stay out of the paint.. and they do. Make that one stand and it's basically game over.

[UK2K]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B323b9Fi63I

:dancin :basketball

That was the slowest, most obvious spin move I've ever seen.

Even dudes on the blacktop don't try to do dumb shit like that :roll:

Then he laid on the floor like he was paralyzed.

[TemporaMutantur]

Get called for a clear path - sink the free-throws, (still your possession), drain a 3 and get fouled, miss the free throw on purpose and then:

1: Get the rebound, drain another 3 and get fouled in a perpetual loop until the game is over or everyone fouls out.

(assuming your defender is a chronic fouler every time or you're just amazing at drawing contact)

2: Get the rebound, dunk and foul, miss the free throw on purpose, set yourself up for the 360-eastbay.
(like this) (https://youtu.be/vC1e6MEU-I8?t=15s) Walk off the court nonchalantly. Never be heard from again.

Of course, this is all done in game 7 of the NBA finals.

:bowdown:

You: :biggums:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Come on now... slow footed 7 foot white guy thieving from a Jordan clone... and dunking on him while drawing the foul?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MThD7uIibiY

[Dbrog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B323b9Fi63I

:dancin :basketball

If this kid ever figures out how to put it together, he's gonna be nasty as hell.

As for the thread, I do feel this is the most dominant play. I rank it slightly better than a steal/dunk because of the demoralizing energy a block brings.