Supporting Casts of All Time Greats

[IllegalD]

Below I listed and tallied the Allstar Level or HOF teammates that certain players have had throughout their careers.

Obviously not all the players listed fully apply in context (players being past their prime or multiple years removed from their last allstar selection, etc.), but I basically included every teammate that fell under the category of Allstar or HOF.


Shaq Allstar/HOF Teammates:

Kobe Bryant (17x Allstar, GOAT candidate, 2x Finals MVP, 1x MVP, Future HOF)
LeBron James (11x Allstar, GOAT candidate, 4x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, Future HOF)
Kevin Garnett (15x Allstar, 1x MVP, 1x DPOY, Future HOF)
Dwayne Wade (11x Allstar, #3 GOAT SG, 1x Finals MVP, Future HOF)
Karl Malone (14x Allstar, 2x MVP, HOF)
Gary Payton (9x Allstar, 1x DPOY, HOF)
Paul Pierce (10x Allstar, 1x Finals MVP, Future HOF)
Steve Nash (8x Allstar, 2x MVP, Future HOF)
Ray Allen (10x Allstar, Future HOF)
Amare Stoudemire (6x Allstar)
Alonzo Mourning (7x Allstar, 2x DPOY, HOF)
Penny Hardaway (4x Allstar)
Mitch Richmond (6 Allstar, HOF)
Antoine Walker (3x Allstar)
Rajon Rondo (4x Allstar)
Glenn Rice (3x Allstar)
Eddie Jones (3x Allstar)
Nick Van Exel (1x Allstar)
Horrace Grant (1x Allstar)
Mo Williams (1x Allstar)

Final Tally: 20 Allstars (11 HOFs, 7 MVPs, 2 DPOYs)



Kobe Bryant Allstar/HOF Teammates:

Shaquille O’Neal (15x Allstar, 3x Finals MVP, 1x MVP, GOAT candidate, Future HOF)
Pau Gasol (5x Allstar, Future HOF)
Karl Malone (14x Allstar, 2x MVP, HOF)
Gary Payton (9x Allstar, 1x DPOY, HOF)
Steve Nash (8x Allstar, 2x MVP, Future HOF)
Dwight Howard (8x Allstar, 3x DPOY)
Mitch Richmond (6x Allstar, HOF)
Antwan Jamison (2x Allstar)
Ron Artest (1x Allstar, 1x DPOY)
Lamar Odom (6th Man of the Year)
Eddie Jones (3x Allstar)
Glenn Rice (3x Allstar)
Nick Van Exel (1x Allstar)
Horrace Grant (1x Allstar)
Andrew Bynum (1x Allstar)
Roy Hibbert (2x Allstar)

Final Tally: 15 Allstars (7 HOFs, 3 MVPs, 2 DPOYs)



LeBron James Allstar/HOF Teammates:

Dwayne Wade (11x Allstar, 1x Finals MVP, #3 GOAT SG, Future HOF)
Ray Allen (10x Allstar, Future HOF)
Chris Bosh (10x Allstar, Future HOF)
Kevin Love (3x Allstar, Future HOF)
Kyrie Irving (3x Allstar, Future HOF)
Shaquille O’Neal (15x Allstar, 3x Finals MVP, 1x MVP, Future HOF)
Antwan Jamison (2x Allstar)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (2x Allstar)
Rashard Lewis (2x Allstar)
Mo Williams (1x Allstar)

Final Tally: 10 Allstars (6 HOFs, 2 MVPs)



Duncan Allstar/HOF Teammates:

David Robinson (10x Allstar, 1x MVP, 1x DPOY, HOF)
Tony Parker (6x Allstar, 1x Finals MVP, Future HOF)
Lamarcus Aldridge (4x Allstar, Future HOF)
Manu Ginobili (2x Allstar, Future HOF)
Kuwai Leonard (1x Finals MVP, 1x DPOY, Future HOF)
Michael Finley (2x Allstar)
Sean Elliot (2x Allstar)
David West (2x Allstar)
Nick Van Exel (1x Allstar)

Final Tally: 9 Allstars (5 HOFs, 3 MVPs, 2 DPOYs)



Jordan Allstar/HOF Teammates:

Scottie Pippen (7x Allstar, HOF)
Dennis Rodman (2x Allstar, 2x DPOY, HOF)
Horrace Grant (1x Allstar)
BJ Armstrong (1x Allstar)
Charles Oakley (1x Allstar)
Jerry Stackhouse (2x Allstar)
Richard Hamilton (3x Allstar)
Christian Laettner (1x Allstar)
George Gervin (9x Allstar, HOF)
Bill Cartwright (1x Allstar)
Tony Kucock (1x 6th Man of the Year, Future HOF)
Robert Parish (9x Allstar, HOF)
Caldwell Jones (1x Allstar)
Steve Johnson (1x Allstar)

Final Tally: 14 Allstars (4 HOFs, 1 DPOY)



Magic Johnson Allstar/HOF Teammates:

Kareem Abdul Jabbar (19x Allstar, 6x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, GOAT candidate, HOF)
James Worthy (7x Allstar, 1x Finals MVP, HOF)
Bob MacAdoo (5x Allstar, 1x MVP, HOF)
Jamaal Wilkes (3x Allstar)
Norm Nixon (2x Allstar)
Michael Cooper (1x DPOY)
A.C. Green (1x Allstar)
Cedric Ceballos (1x Allstar)
Eddie Jones (3x Allstar)
Nick Van Exel (1x Allstar)
Vlade Divac (1x Allstar)

Finally Tally: 10 Allstars (3 HOFs, 3 MVPs, 1 DPOY)



Larry Bird Allstar/HOF Teammates:

Kevin McHale (7x Allstar, 2x 6MOTY, HOF)
Robert Parish (9x Allstar, HOF)
Bill Walton (2x Allstar, 1x Finals MVP, 1x MVP, 1x 6MOTY, HOF)
Dennis Johnson (5x Allstar, 1x Finals MVP, HOF)
Nate “Tiny” Archibald (6x Allstar, HOF)
Danny Ainge (1x Allstar)
Cedrick Maxwell (1x Finals MVP)
Scott Wedman (2x Allstar)
Reggie Lewis (1x Allstar)
Dave Cowens (7x Allstar, 1x MVP, HOF)
“Pistol" Pete Maravich (5x Allstar, HOF)

Final Tally: 11 Allstars (7 HOFs, 3 MVPs)

[IllegalD]

*updated original post with Magic's and Bird's Allstar/HOF teammates.

[Rocketswin2013]

I don't even see the point of discussing basketball if you're too lazy to add context.

[IllegalD]

I don't even see the point of discussing basketball if you're too lazy to add context.

Then don't respond to the thread, f*ggot. :confusedshrug:

Context is completely subjective. I'm not gonna waste my time adding it because most everyone (depending on their Stan allegiance) will chose to see it whatever way fits their agenda.

[SouBeachTalents]

This list is disingenuous, saying these players played with "MVP's" when they were MVP's years beforehand is just silly. I think a much better method would be to count what their teammates accumulated while they were actually playing with them

[ISHGoat]

Interesting, thanks OP


This list is disingenuous, saying these players played with "MVP's" when they were MVP's years beforehand is just silly. I think a much better method would be to count what their teammates accumulated while they were actually playing with them


That would be disingenuous as well, we know dam well that some players make the all star game(especially in the east)/all NBA based on reputation not merit.

We should look at said support casts of all time greats' performance in the playoffs while playing with the ATG in question

[Rocketswin2013]

Then don't respond to the thread, f*ggot. :confusedshrug:

Context is completely subjective. I'm not gonna waste my time adding it because most everyone (depending on their Stan allegiance) will chose to see it whatever way fits their agenda.
People will actually acknowledge context if evidence is bright forth. They won't enter another thread with it in mind if they don't like it, but for a particular thread, it could actually work.


Still, carry on. Play your role. LeBron played with a prime Shaq in '10, Shaq played with prime Payton in '04, and whatever else misleading garbage posted.

[SouBeachTalents]

Interesting, thanks OP




That would be disingenuous as well, we know dam well that some players make the all star game(especially in the east)/all NBA based on reputation not merit.

We should look at said support casts of all time greats' performance in the playoffs while playing with the ATG in question

That's why I wouldn't count all-star appearances, I'd use MVP's, DPOY's, All-NBA Team's, All Defensive Team's, and MVP top 10 finishes

[ShawkFactory]

the final tallies are stupid and misleading. According to that tony Parker = Kareem and one season/no playoffs of Kevin love = 5 years of pau gasol.

And Duncan playing with Aldridge counts the same as any other all star?

Obviously there's many others..

[IllegalD]

People will actually acknowledge context if evidence is bright forth. They won't enter another thread with it in mind if they don't like it, but for a particular thread, it could actually work.


Still, carry on. Play your role. LeBron played with a prime Shaq in '10, Shaq played with prime Payton in '04, and whatever else misleading garbage posted.

And Kobe played with prime Malone, Payton, Richmond and Nash, right? And for multiple years? :confusedshrug:

BTW, Shaq had been an ALLSTAR the season before he got to the Cavs (putting up 18 PPG, and 8 REBs on 61% FG, so it ain't that insane to count him as legit help for LeBron...) Not my fault that LeBron castrated him like he does to all his allstar bigman teammates... :no:

[Kvnzhangyay]

This makes kobe's supporting cast look better than magic's or Bird's :coleman:

[ISHGoat]

That's why I wouldn't count all-star appearances, I'd use MVP's, DPOY's, All-NBA Team's, All Defensive Team's, and MVP top 10 finishes

Why do we need to look at those? Those are just media things that are sometimes carelessly handed out. Voters may be biased, impartial, have an agenda, or are just outright not fit to be voters. Numbers do not lie.

In fact, some author for fivethirtyeight has already done this for us: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/where-this-years-cavs-rank-among-lebrons-nba-finals-supporting-casts/

[rmt]

Below I listed and tallied the Allstar Level or HOF teammates that certain players have had throughout their careers.

Obviously not all the players listed fully apply in context (players being past their prime or multiple years removed from their last allstar selection, etc.), but I basically included every teammate that fell under the category of Allstar or HOF.

Duncan Allstar/HOF Teammates:

David Robinson (10x Allstar, 1x MVP, 1x DPOY, HOF)
Tony Parker (6x Allstar, 1x Finals MVP, Future HOF)
Lamarcus Aldridge (4x Allstar, Future HOF)
Manu Ginobili (2x Allstar, Future HOF)
Kuwai Leonard (1x Finals MVP, 1x DPOY, Future HOF)
Michael Finley (2x Allstar)
Sean Elliot (2x Allstar)
David West (2x Allstar)
Nick Van Exel (1x Allstar)

Final Tally: 9 Allstars (5 HOFs, 3 MVPs, 2 DPOYs)


How about never even played one NBA minute with Duncan?

[Rocketswin2013]

And Kobe played with prime Malone, Payton, Richmond and Nash, right? And for multiple years? :confusedshrug:

BTW, Shaq had been an ALLSTAR the season before he got to the Cavs (putting up 18 PPG, and 8 REBs on 61% FG, so it ain't that insane to count him as legit help for LeBron...) Not my fault that LeBron castrated him like he does to all his allstar bigman teammates... :no:
Well, Shaq played with Steve Nash. A dominant, and extremely effective offensive player. Nash also helped Amare Stoudemire(who regressed when he went to the Knicks) have some insanely productive seasons, and gortat had his best career season with Nash.

Shaq, all old and washed up turning into an all-star with Phoenix says more about Nash than LeBron, or even Shaq himself.

[Magic 32]

Kobe Bryant Allstar/HOF Teammates:

Karl Malone (14x Allstar, 2x MVP, HOF)
Gary Payton (9x Allstar, 1x DPOY, HOF)
Steve Nash (8x Allstar, 2x MVP, Future HOF)
Dwight Howard (8x Allstar, 3x DPOY)


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[ShawkFactory]

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Only thing that jumped out at you?

[West-Side]

Howard played with Kobe 1 season; Nash, Malone & Payton weren't even all-stars let alone MVP's the year they played with Kobe & Shaq.

It was an interesting thread idea until I read the post.

[RidonKs]

you should tally up the total number of all-star appearances by all of x's teammates. if i play with four all-stars but they are jamaal mcgloire, rasheed wallace, kyle lowry, and klay thompson... but u play with one all star for 10 years named kobe bryant... well u see what i'm saying

actually what would be best is number of all-star years played with. so if malone wasn't an all-star when he played with kobe, don't list him. tho i guess that would thin our your lists quite a bit. hmmm


good informative stats based thread tho

[rmt]

you should tally up the total number of all-star appearances by all of x's teammates. if i play with four all-stars but they are jamaal mcgloire, rasheed wallace, kyle lowry, and klay thompson... but u play with one all star for 10 years named kobe bryant... well u see what i'm saying

actually what would be best is number of all-star years played with. so if malone wasn't an all-star when he played with kobe, don't list him. tho i guess that would thin our your lists quite a bit. hmmm


good informative stats based thread tho

Duncan Allstar Teammates (years played with Duncan):

David Robinson (3x Allstar)
Tony Parker (6x Allstar)
Manu Ginobili (2x Allstar)

Final Tally: 3 Allstars (11 years total)

[ninephive]

How about never even played one NBA minute with Duncan?
I noticed that, lol. Putting people Duncan's never even played with on the list still doesn't get him the supporting cast the other "greats" have. Duncan is top 3-4.

[IllegalD]

I noticed that, lol. Putting people Duncan's never even played with on the list still doesn't get him the supporting cast the other "greats" have. Duncan is top 3-4.

Did you also notice how I included Hibbert (hasn't played for with Kobe yet) Nash (barely played with Kobe), Malone, Payton, Dwight (all played just one season with Kobe)? :confusedshrug:

Funny how you didn't have a problem with those... :rolleyes:

[rmt]

Did you also notice how I included Hibbert (hasn't played for with Kobe yet) Nash (barely played with Kobe), Malone, Payton, Dwight (all played just one season with Kobe)? :confusedshrug:

Funny how you didn't have a problem with those... :rolleyes:

YOU are the one who is extending into the future - anyone of them could drop dead tomorrow. The fact is that Hibbert, LMA and West have not played one NBA minute with either Kobe or Duncan and should not be included on these lists.

[IllegalD]

YOU are the one who is extending into the future - anyone of them could drop dead tomorrow. The fact is that Hibbert, LMA and West have not played one NBA minute with either Kobe or Duncan and should not be included on these lists.

The most hilarious part about all this is that even with the skewed/out of context tallies Duncan still ends up looking better than everyone else and you Duncan Vampires still find a way to b*tch about it. :cry:

[tpols]

Duncan Allstar Teammates (years played with Duncan):

David Robinson (3x Allstar)
Tony Parker (6x Allstar)
Manu Ginobili (2x Allstar)

Final Tally: 3 Allstars (11 years total)

Ops system is way flawed.. but so is this. Manu has to be a top 10 SG of all time.. graded out impact wise as the third best SG of the 00s decade after kobe and wade.. 2 AS's does him no justice (and wow its amazing that's all he's got).

[rmt]

The most hilarious part about all this is that even with the skewed/out of context tallies Duncan still ends up looking better than everyone else and you Duncan Vampires still find a way to b*tch about it. :cry:

We know he looks good.

But gotta stick up for my fellow Spur fan especially when YOU are the one foretelling the future. Peace.

[rmt]

Ops system is way flawed.. but so is this. Manu has to be a top 10 SG of all time.. graded out impact wise as the third best SG of the 00s decade after kobe and wade.. 2 AS's does him no justice (and wow its amazing that's all he's got).

Hey, it wasn't my idea. I'm just putting RidonKs' suggestion out there. Maybe all-nba then since all-star can be a popularity contest. That's not gonna help with Manu either as he's "ONLY" been on 2 all-nba (third) teams :roll:

Sometimes being on the Spurs is an advantage - this is one of the very few times.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Dirk:

Jason Kidd(1 time)/Steve Nash(2 times)/Josh Howard(1 time)

That's it.

Going by the criteria listed above. And Jason Kidd's invite was because it was snowing in Dallas, the game was in Dallas, and they had to have an injury replacement on **very** short notice. It was the 2009-2010 year in which Kidd averaged 7/6/6.

[rmt]

Ops system is way flawed.. but so is this. Manu has to be a top 10 SG of all time.. graded out impact wise as the third best SG of the 00s decade after kobe and wade.. 2 AS's does him no justice (and wow its amazing that's all he's got).

Spurs' whole has always been greater than its parts. Manu, even in his old age, really makes the second unit go - the ultimate compliment when you make your team mates better.

[3ball]

context?

[3ball]

Spurs' whole has always been greater than its parts. Manu, even in his old age, really makes the second unit go - the ultimate compliment when you make your team mates better.
Agreed.. They've always been one of the most well-balanced teams of all time.

[3ball]

When comparing MJ and Lebron - both players led teams that would've been lottery without them (in 1989 and 2015), to 6 games with the champs.. But MJ's stats were better.

MJ averaged 34.8/7.0/7.2 on 51.0% in the 1989 playoffs, which is better than Lebron's 30.1/11.3/8.5 on 41.7% in the 2015 playoffs..

MJ has a 5 point scoring edge and 10 point efficiency edge, while Lebron has a 4 rebound edge and 1.6 assist edge - MJ's advantages are more valuable for a team's #1 scoring option.

In 1990, MJ averaged 36.8/7.2/6.8 on 51.4% in the playoffs, and took the champion Pistons to 7 games this time.. Again, those stats are better than Lebron's 2015 playoffs, unless you're disregarding the 10 point efficiency gap and 7 point scoring gap.

[ShawkFactory]

When comparing MJ and Lebron - both players led teams that would've been lottery without them (in 1989 and 2015), to 6 games with the champs.. But MJ's stats were better.

MJ averaged 34.8/7.0/7.2 on 51.0% in the 1989 playoffs, which is better than Lebron's 30.1/11.3/8.5 on 41.7% in the 2015 playoffs..

MJ has a 5 point scoring edge and 10 point efficiency edge, while Lebron has a 4 rebound edge and 1.6 assist edge - MJ's advantages are more valuable for a team's #1 scoring option.

In 1990, MJ averaged 36.8/7.2/6.8 on 51.4% in the playoffs, and took the champion Pistons to 7 games this time.. Again, those stats are better than Lebron's 2015 playoffs, unless you're disregarding the 10 point efficiency gap and 7 point scoring gap.wrong thread

[guy]

Makes no sense. Should be the amount of times they played with an all-star from that season. Makes no sense to add Robert Parish to Jordan. He didn't play with an all-star Robert Parish.

By that logic, I'm pretty sure Jordan should only be 6x, Lebron should be 11x, Kobe should be 15x, Shaq should be 23x, and Duncan should be 12x.