Who is the best at finishing at the rim among those

[PistonsFan#21]

Derrick Rose
Westbrook
Tony Parker
Steve Nash
Chris Paul
Steph Curry
Kyrie Irving.


All those players in their prime. Who do you have? And its strictly about finishing once you get to the rim. Not about who's the best at beating their man and driving to the basket

[Pushxx]

Derrick Rose
Westbrook
Tony Parker
Steve Nash
Chris Paul
Steph Curry
Kyrie Irving.


All those players in their prime. Who do you have? And its strictly about finishing once you get to the rim. Not about who's the best at beating their man and driving to the basket

Westbrook is the easy answer here given the weird conditions you have.

[Nash]

kyrie irving
parker
westbrook

[SugarHill]

Westbrook is the easy answer here given the weird conditions you have.
Otherwise it's Tony Parker

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Parker and its not close. Lol at nikkas saying Russ he misses at the rim alot relies too much on explosiveness and physicality. Yall just remember his highlight plays. He hasn't even hit 60% at rim past couple seasons......Tony was finishing like a big man, like prime Justin slayer. He has seasons of 68, 69% at rim that's insane for a little French croissant PG. He had a lot of crafty moves and quick feet

[SHAQisGOAT]

Parker

[ArbitraryWater]

why don't you want to account for volume? :wtf:

Parker
Kyrie

should be the top 2 IMO. This is ignoring your weird conditions.

[superteamtheory]

kyrie irving
parker
westbrook

^ this is the correct answer

Westbrook best dunker / athlete obviously -- will just straightup try to slam it if he can -- but Kyrie has maneuvers... and isn't afraid of contact and Parker has those sweet teardrops and floaters ... all 3 lethal, all three (in prime) are fast.

not that anybody asked but what the other 3 will go to:
Curry will look for the reverse or circus adjustment (granted he can definitely make a crazy circus shot) -- he's more comfortable outside rim area, Rose is solid in there and agile but I'm not sure what more to say for him, Paul will try to look for some alternative play -- I don't mean a pass, just something crafty, he may not find it and will be forced to make a miraculous shot like the one over Duncan, Nash as the weakest athlete of this group will likely pass out, tho Nash did have those signature circling drives where he'd dribble in near rim and dribble right back out if he had to, just keep circling until he finds a play he likes -- typically ends he gets a looping sort of reverse layup or a cutter or open 3 emerges during the confusion, then, he will finish via another player (maybe a Stoudemire rimrocker)... so, yeah... :confusedshrug: they all finish well in their own way...

[SugarHill]

Parker and its not close. Lol at nikkas saying Russ he misses at the rim alot relies too much on explosiveness and physicality. Yall just remember his highlight plays. He hasn't even hit 60% at rim past couple seasons......Tony was finishing like a big man, like prime Justin slayer. He has seasons of 68, 69% at rim that's insane for a little French croissant PG. He had a lot of crafty moves and quick feet

You have to take into account that Westbrook this season shot a ton from 0-3 while scoring 28 PPG which is a lot of volume. Tony is the best but he never did on Westbrook's volume

[The_Pharcyde]

when healthy it was Derrick Rose.

had athleticism like westbrook, except faster

but used english on the ball like kyrie and curry

also has a great great great floater, has always utilized it


kyrie and curry have very good touch on the ball while finishing but lack the explosion of the upper tier guys
westbrook is a maniac while going to the rim, but often looks rigid and cant contort his body like a rose, curry or kyrie could/do

hell id probably still put rose at the top... next year we will have a way better answer for this

parker would be higher near the top 2 years ago.... he is older and isnt as quick as he used to be, which was his best asset to go along with that soccer footwork he has... which is reasonable considering his age and playing style through the years

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

You have to take into account that Westbrook this season shot a ton from 0-3 while scoring 28 PPG which is a lot of volume. Tony is the best but he never did on Westbrook's volume
This just rim doe and it not like Russ ever get tired......

2011 - 608 attempts 59%
2012 - 489 attempts 60%
2013 - 529 attempts 61%
2014 - 399 attempts 58%
2015 - 509 attempts 58%

Parker
05 - 559 attempts 65%
06 - 615 attempts 69%
13 - 410 attempts 66%
07 - 575 attempts 63%
09 - 542 attempts 65%
11 - 461 attempts 67%

[rmt]

Derrick Rose
Westbrook
Tony Parker
Steve Nash
Chris Paul
Steph Curry
Kyrie Irving.


All those players in their prime. Who do you have? And its strictly about finishing once you get to the rim. Not about who's the best at beating their man and driving to the basket

Player / FG% at 0-3 ft / % of FGA 0-3 ft

Parker / 65.1% / 35.5%
Nash / 65% / 20.2%
Curry / 62.6% / 15.2%
Irving / 59.5% / 26.8%
Rose / 57.8% / 31.7%
Westbrook / 57.4% / 35.3%

Parker has the highest FG% at the rim AND the highest % of his shots. Westbrook attempts a little less of his shots but almost 8% less than Parker. Rose attempts a little less than RW and hits about the same %

1. Parker


2. Westbrook
3. Rose

4. Irving


5. Nash


6. Curry

Sorry, didn't see the word "prime." These are career numbers.

[FatComputerNerd]

Kyrie's layups are ridiculous.

Best use of english, and also knows how to use the rim for protection while finishing with either hand.

He isn't the most athletic of the bunch...that obviously goes to WB or healthy Rose

[Ncrazyballa]

let me know when any player in the nba could do this layup.

https://youtu.be/c_5tNAsfxw0?t=4m12s

[FatComputerNerd]

Kyrie Irving - Most exciting layups of 2014-15:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQE0lZGR8ZU

[STATUTORY]

let me know when any player in the nba could do this layup.

https://youtu.be/c_5tNAsfxw0?t=4m12s

it's sad because even rose can't do it anymore

[Mass Debator]

Parker and Kyrie. Underrated is Dragic

[FatComputerNerd]

Parker and Kyrie. Underrated is Dragic

Also Conley

His floater is pretty nice

[r0drig0lac]

Parker and its not close (perhaps Zeke is better)

[hateraid]

I always had Monta Ellis on the top of this list. Old gray mare just ain't what she used to be. Parker in his prime over all these guys. Today I'd say Kyrie

[FatComputerNerd]

Kyrie Irving Top 10 Plays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt2XT4KjeBo

check description for more vids

[3ball]

Derrick Rose
Westbrook
Tony Parker
Steve Nash
Chris Paul
Steph Curry
Kyrie Irving.


All those players in their prime. Who do you have? And its strictly about finishing once you get to the rim. Not about who's the best at beating their man and driving to the basket
westbrook and it's not close:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gwUtCSoXyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdi4AhblsmE&t=7m23s

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Tony Parker is crafty as hell, but its moreso his ability to get to the basket ie. his spin moves than his actual finishing.

Westbrook is an athletic behemoth, but to me Rose has the best combination of athleticism and grace. Back in his MVP season this dude's improvisation around the basket was unbelievable. You watched and were dumbfounded as to how he didn't pull an arm out of socket... Jordan aside, I don't think I've ever seen another player show so much dexterity around the hoop.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Tony Parker is crafty as hell, but its moreso his ability to get to the basket ie. his spin moves than his actual finishing.

Westbrook is an athletic behemoth, but to me Rose has the best combination of athleticism and grace. Back in his MVP season this dude's improvisation around the basket was unbelievable. You watched and were dumbfounded as to how he didn't pull an arm out of socket... Jordan aside, I don't think I've ever seen another player show so much dexterity around the hoop.
:biggums: :biggums:
nikka Parkers at rim finishing numbers been posted. Rose in his best season at the rim wouldnt even be sniffin Tonys top 5:biggums:

[ralph_i_el]

Parker, rose, Irving in that order. All of those guys are elite in that aspect ofc, but Parker was insanely good and Rose and Irving are the best at changing in mid air. Rose took harder layup attempts than any of these guys besides Westbrook. Nash was the most selective finisher. If he didn't think it was a great chance he'd just dribble out the other side.

[rmt]

Player / PEAK year FG% 0-3 ft / % of FGA 0-3 ft

Parker 70.5% / 46.9% (2005-06)

Westbrook 63.1% / 29.1% (2011-12)

Irving 61.4% / 36.4% (2011-12)

Rose 61.1% / 29.4% (2010-11)

[tpols]

Player / PEAK year FG% 0-3 ft / % of FGA 0-3 ft

Parker 70.5% / 46.9% (2005-06)

Westbrook 63.1% / 29.1% (2011-12)

Irving 61.4% / 36.4% (2011-12)

Rose 61.1% / 29.4% (2010-11)

Yea.. nobody's beating parker around the rim..

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Yea.. nobody's beating parker around the rim..
No guards......

[tpols]

No guards......

Yea that's what meant.. would be interesting to see even big men's stats for that.. those are insane numbers

[G0ATbe]

Kyrie definitely.

[TemporaMutantur]

I think people are misinterpreting the ability to finish in a crazy fashion as opposed to finishing in general.

Clearly Kyrie is a monster at making acrobatic finishes and nevertheless is still a great finisher, but Tony Parker makes finishing look so easy sometimes consistently that it doesn't even seem impressive; I feel like some people are underrating him just because he's not always as flashy, but damn is he effective.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Yea that's what meant.. would be interesting to see even big men's stats for that.. those are insane numbers
Chuck and Shaq were prolly the GOAts. We have numbers for Shaq but not Chuck

01 Shaq - 768 FGA at rim, 79%
02 Shaq - 783 FGA at rim, 75%
03 Shaq - 748 FGA at rim, 75%
04 Shaq - 717 FGA at rim, 74%
05 Shaq - 693 FGA at rim, 76%

[RidonKs]

parker is a ridiculous answer. he has two or three pet moves, like jumping off the wrong foot or pushing his body back and extending his finger roll arm, etc. other than that he can be shut down by a smart defender with average athleticism. maybe he would have been in this conversation five years ago... maybe.


i trust the shooting touch of curry and irving over the athletic dynamism of rose and westbrook, who too often get into the air without any idea of how they're going to get their shot off.

paul, nash, parker are fantastic in their own ways, but clear steps beneath the aforementioned four.

[KungFuJoe]

Parker and Irving.

Westbrook misses a lot at the rim. I don't know stats, but it seems like everytime I see him, he's throwing up some horrible brick on a wild layup attempt.

It's mostly due to his speed. He's insanely fast.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Parker and Irving.

Westbrook misses a lot at the rim. I don't know stats, but it seems like everytime I see him, he's throwing up some horrible brick on a wild layup attempt.

It's mostly due to his speed. He's insanely fast.
Yup he gets out of control sometimes. Hes better than Rose at almost everything but body control in the air aint one. His plays are usually so insanely athletic and breathtaking that nikkas forget the misses

[mehyaM24]

rose and westbrook are the best. lol at low iq idiots saying tony parker. he's been arguably the best spur, along with manu, since the 2007 finals - but the only reason he gets to the rim is his footwork.

finishing is after the fact: "nice crossover to get to the basket, but he couldn't finish"

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

rose and westbrook are the best. lol at low iq idiots saying tony parker. he's been arguably the best spur, along with manu, since the 2007 finals - but the only reason he gets to the rim is his footwork.

finishing is after the fact: "nice crossover to get to the basket, but he couldn't finish"
did u not read thru the thread :biggums: ..........the numbers have been posted. His finishing numbers at the rim sht on Rose and Westbrook their best seasons finishing at the rim arent even smellin his top 5

[mehyaM24]

^^^^ another ****ing idiot.

the numbers don't mean anything , and are out of context. we are talking about better finishers, not who gets to the basket better. tony parker converts on more layups (some of that has to do with duncan clearing space), but in air he doesn't have the athleticism or ability to finish over defenses, contesting, like the other 2 do. the other 2 don't have coaches like popovich either.

[brownmamba00]

Derrick Rose
Westbrook
Tony Parker
Steve Nash
Chris Paul
Steph Curry
Kyrie Irving.


All those players in their prime. Who do you have? And its strictly about finishing once you get to the rim. Not about who's the best at beating their man and driving to the basket
D Rose

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

^^^^ another ****ing idiot.

the numbers don't mean anything , and are out of context. we are talking about better finishers, not who gets to the basket better. tony parker converts on more layups (some of that has to do with duncan clearing space), but in air he doesn't have the athleticism or ability to finish over defenses, contesting, like the other 2 do. the other 2 don't have coaches like popovich either.
Timmy cant shoot WTF is him clearnin space:roll: :roll: hes not Dirk or KG when it comes to midrange. And Russ has KD and Ibaka u dont think they clear more space:facepalm :facepalm
Parker is much more skilled than those 2, hes craftier, has better footwork, uses angles better. Athleticism doesnt always trump ya dummy, but bein a Bran stan i can see why youd think that

[mehyaM24]

Timmy cant shoot WTF is him clearnin space:roll: :roll: hes not Dirk or KG when it comes to midrange. And Russ has KD and Ibaka u dont think they clear more space:facepalm :facepalm
Parker is much more skilled than those 2, hes craftier, has better footwork, uses angles better. Athleticism doesnt always trump ya dummy, but bein a Bran stan i can see why youd think that
clearing space as in setting screens. popovich as in setting up plays to get parker open lanes and looks at the basket.

are you new to basketball or just pretend to be?

show me footage of parker ever doing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e04uyfgVgjY#t=0m55s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01CYExpjxJs

[tpols]

^^^^ another ****ing idiot.

the numbers don't mean anything , and are out of context. we are talking about better finishers, not who gets to the basket better. tony parker converts on more layups (some of that has to do with duncan clearing space), but in air he doesn't have the athleticism or ability to finish over defenses, contesting, like the other 2 do. the other 2 don't have coaches like popovich either.

Parker doesn't have the athleticism to finish over defenses.. but he has more ability for finishing beneath defenders than all the others do above them so...

Parkers manipulation of space in close quarters is atg.. Westbrook can jump, but only has one gear and no creativity.. which leads to many more bricks around the rim and lower success rate.


Duncan and spacing helping parker lol.. Westbrook has arguably the best floor spacer of all time beside him.

[Mass Debator]

I think this topic is similar to who has the best handles. Either it's creativity, dribbling in tight quarters, protecting the rock, or simply making defenders look foolish, it all depends on what you feel is most important. Ball handling stats are turnovers, but most of it is using the eye test. The difference is that finishing at the rim has stats that really link to the topic at hand which Parker is a clear leader. Some may look at Rose's and Westbrook's elite ability to finish with contact and be amazed, but Parker doesn't need to do that to finish. Another thing you have to take into consideration is volume. I'm pretty sure Westbrook takes it into the paint a little more than Parker. It's like saying who is the better fadeaway shooter...Kobe or Pierce. I don't know the stats but Pierce MAY have like a 3% more success rate, but that isn't fooling anyone to pick him ahead of Kobe. Kobe just shoots a ton more. Dirk and Kobe however...

For me, being able to do on command and being efficient at it are my top priority when it comes to ranking. All the players mentioned in this thread are great, but Parker has the stats to back him up and is someone I don't mind taking it into the hole late in games. He has my slight edge.

[mehyaM24]

Parker doesn't have the athleticism to finish over defenses.. but he has more ability for finishing beneath defenders than all the others do above them so...

Parkers manipulation of space in close quarters is atg.. Westbrook can jump, but only has one gear and no creativity.. which leads to many more bricks around the rim and lower success rate.


Duncan and spacing helping parker lol.. Westbrook has arguably the best floor spacer of all time beside him.

he has great skills getting to the basket, and his ability to finish is elite, but its not on the tier of rose or westbrook.

like i said, find me footage of parker EVER finishing over defenses like the videos i linked of rose - who is also efficient from 3 feet and in.

[rmt]

^^^^ another ****ing idiot.

the numbers don't mean anything , and are out of context. we are talking about better finishers, not who gets to the basket better. tony parker converts on more layups (some of that has to do with duncan clearing space), but in air he doesn't have the athleticism or ability to finish over defenses, contesting, like the other 2 do. the other 2 don't have coaches like popovich either.

Player / Most points scored 0-3 ft in a year / year
Parker 852 pts (05-06)
Westbrook 720 pts (10-11)
Rose 704 pts (10-11)
Irving 334 pts (11-12)

I guess some people think method and some people like me think RESULTS.

[tpols]

he has great skills getting to the basket, and his ability to finish is elite, but its not on the tier of rose or westbrook.

like i said, find me footage of parker EVER finishing over defenses like the videos i linked of rose - who is also efficient from 3 feet and in.

First you show me wb pulling off crossover into spin move combo as smooth as parker.. any move as smooth as parker actually

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NJjXVZz6Rz8/U2Guh8w9qnI/AAAAAAAAhNQ/v-r1DHKXfOY/s1600/Tony+parker.gif

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1647243/spinparker.gif

[mehyaM24]

First you show me wb pulling off crossover into spin move combo as smooth as parker.. any move as smooth as parker actually

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NJjXVZz6Rz8/U2Guh8w9qnI/AAAAAAAAhNQ/v-r1DHKXfOY/s1600/Tony+parker.gif

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1647243/spinparker.gif

none of these moves started in the paint - true finishing. thanks for proving my point. once again, like all the other misinformed posters, you're confusing the move before the finish.

in both these gifs there's a spin to get to his spot (3 feet in where he's efficient), hence my quote a page earlier about the crossover and finish afterward.

[SHAQisGOAT]

^^^^ another ****ing idiot.

the numbers don't mean anything , and are out of context. we are talking about better finishers, not who gets to the basket better. tony parker converts on more layups (some of that has to do with duncan clearing space), but in air he doesn't have the athleticism or ability to finish over defenses, contesting, like the other 2 do. the other 2 don't have coaches like popovich either.

:biggums:

Numbers don't mean anything? :wtf:
We're comparing PG's who play in the same era, and Parker clearly has them all beat in terms of FG% at the rim and % of shots at the rim...

And why are you basing your whole argument on a couple of videos, or narrowing athleticism like it's the ultimate factor?
Shit, are we discussing aesthetics here or actual effectiveness? :confusedshrug:
I've seen players with better looking shooting-strokes than Reggie Miller who couldn't shoot nearly as well.
Pre-injuries Ron Harper was pulling nicer looking finishes than LeBron, guess he's a better finisher at the rim than James :rolleyes:
...
Should I continue?

And now you're bringing up Pop and Duncan to the convo?

Not even like the eye-test goes against TP either; dude has great footwork, knows how to get to the basket and finishes extremely well inside, very crafty, terrific soft-touch around the rim, pulls some crazy shit too, major layup skills, quick af... And the numbers are there to support his case better than anybody else on that list.

[mehyaM24]

my post has NOTHING to do with "nicer" finishes. while also being efficient, rose has the ability to finish at the rim that parker simply doesn't have. sure its his athleticism, but also his creativity. look at the finish over wade AND lebron - parker couldn't do that in his wildest dreams.

and those gifs that tpols posted? i've seen shaq run the break, drop a spin, and do the same thing. literally. :oldlol:

i'm all about numbers - but within reason. i don't consider dantley to be a better scorer than jordan or shaq just because he had a higher ts%. results matter, but so does context.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Chuck and Shaq were prolly the GOAts. We have numbers for Shaq but not Chuck

01 Shaq - 768 FGA at rim, 79%
02 Shaq - 783 FGA at rim, 75%
03 Shaq - 748 FGA at rim, 75%
04 Shaq - 717 FGA at rim, 74%
05 Shaq - 693 FGA at rim, 76%

:bowdown: :applause:

Oh, and Chuck was a freakin beast too: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296225

[ShawkFactory]

^^^^ another ****ing idiot.

the numbers don't mean anything , and are out of context. we are talking about better finishers, not who gets to the basket better. tony parker converts on more layups (some of that has to do with duncan clearing space), but in air he doesn't have the athleticism or ability to finish over defenses, contesting, like the other 2 do. the other 2 don't have coaches like popovich either.
:biggums:

:lol

[tpols]

none of these moves started in the paint - true finishing. thanks for proving my point. once again, like all the other misinformed posters, you're confusing the move before the finish.

in both these gifs there's a spin to get to his spot (3 feet in where he's efficient), hence my quote a page earlier about the crossover and finish afterward.

When westbrook dunks..sometimes he may start his two steps from behind the top of the key, and take off from 8 or more feet out. Does that mean since it didn't start in the paint it doesn't count as finishing ?:lol

Anything you do with your final two steps counts towards finishing.. guards almost always 'start their moves' outside the paint.. what they do on their way to the basket plays a huge role in their finishing ability.. someone like manu can finish better than joe Johnson around the rim almost solely because of what he does with his two steps while attempting to finish around the basket.

Being really explosive and able to run fast will lead to a take off that may start outside the paint .. but it is the catalyst for what the finish will be.. same thing with a move to create space.. they are part of finishing.

[mehyaM24]

When westbrook dunks..sometimes he may start his two steps from behind the top of the key, and take off from 8 or more feet out. Does that mean since it didn't start in the paint it doesn't count as finishing ?:lol

your gifs are spins outside of the paint. the two links i posted were 2 finishes inside the paint, while creating in mid-air.

what you're telling me is parker has good footwork - we already knew that!! let me know whether parker could do the moves rose did, because shaq could do what parker did in those gifs. not as fast, but he could finish just as well :lol

[rmt]

your gifs are spins outside of the paint. the two links i posted were 2 finishes inside the paint, while creating in mid-air.

what you're telling me is parker has good footwork - we already knew that!! let me know whether parker could do the moves rose did, because shaq could do what parker did in those gifs. not as fast, but he could finish just as well :lol

Why does it matter what moves one uses? What matters is whether you get the ball to go in. As I said in the other post, the method seems to be what matters to you. For me, it's the RESULT and Parker has them all beat by FG%, % of rim shots and points in the basket at the rim.

[RightToCensor]

Kyrie

[mehyaM24]

Why does it matter what moves one uses? What matters is whether you get the ball to go in. As I said in the other post, the method seems to be what matters to you. For me, it's the RESULT and Parker has them all beat by FG%, % of rim shots and points in the basket at the rim.
who's a better scorer, dantley or mj?

similar volume, dantley shot the ball better.

please answer.

[SHAQisGOAT]

i'm all about numbers, but within perspective. i don't consider dantley to be a better scorer than jordan or shaq just because he had a higher ts%. results matter, but so does context.

The **** are you going with this, right now? :confusedshrug:

You keep talking about 'he can't do this and he can't do that'... Guess what, if you wanna go that route, the moves that Parker CAN DO are enough for him to be more effective than anyone else there.

For example, if a certain player has all types of moves but cannot be as effective/good as another player who only sticks to a couple of "pet-moves"... Guess who everyone's picking?
^Ofc that that's a hyperbole, but it paints a nice picture.
Hakeem definitely had more moves than Shaq in the post... At both their best, I'm picking Shaq when it comes to scoring...


Player / PEAK year FG% 0-3 ft / % of FGA 0-3 ft

Parker 70.5% / 46.9% (2005-06)

Westbrook 63.1% / 29.1% (2011-12)

Irving 61.4% / 36.4% (2011-12)

Rose 61.1% / 29.4% (2010-11)

^That right there, even along with the eye-test, pretty much ends the debate, tbh...
Not even all that close.
Idgaf about what types of finishes he can't pull because doing what he does, he has them beat...


i'm all about numbers, but within perspective. i don't consider dantley to be a better scorer than jordan or shaq just because he had a higher ts%. results matter, but so does context.

Bad analogy there...

-Discussing one's scoring ability is much broader than something like finishing at the rim, WAY MORE things come into account when comparing players' overall scoring capabilities.
There's numerous aspects regarding a player's scoring game (finishing at the rim is actually an area of one's scoring).

-Dantley's post-season scoring displays cannot begin to **** with Jordan or Shaq's.
Adrian never proved himself much at all there, EXTREMELY different for those other two, who did their thing and went all the way. (you cannot say the same comparing Parker and some other PG there, though)

-Jordan, Shaq and Dantley's "numbers" are actually closer than Parker's "numbers" (at the rim) compared to those other PG's.

-AD never even had seasons scoring as much PPG as MJ... Still, Dantley's indeed one of the GOAT scorers (and he wasn't much more than that at all).

[mehyaM24]

how is finishing not as broad? thats like dr. j saying wilt was the best dunker ever because of his volume/finishing rate. :lol

its not a bad analogy - you just don't like the amount of thinking that goes into it.

when talking about the GOAT finishers, spouting out raw numbers like a parrot doesn't tell me anything. analyzing the game? now we're talking.

[rmt]

how is finishing not as broad? thats like dr. j saying wilt was the best dunker ever because of his volume/finishing rate. :lol

its not a bad analogy - you just don't like the amount of thinking that goes into it.

when talking about the GOAT finishers, spouting out raw numbers like a parrot doesn't tell me anything. analyzing the game? now we're talking.

Amazing that a Kobe stan can write this. The Parker choice is backed up by raw points, by FG% and by % of FGs at the rim.

[SHAQisGOAT]

how is finishing not as broad? thats like dr. j saying wilt was the best dunker ever because of his volume/finishing rate. :lol

its not a bad analogy - you just don't like the amount of thinking that goes into it.

when talking about the GOAT finishers, spouting out raw numbers like a parrot doesn't tell me anything. analyzing the game? now we're talking.

Once again...


Bad analogy there...

-Discussing one's scoring ability is much broader than something like finishing at the rim, WAY MORE things come into account when comparing players' overall scoring capabilities.
There's numerous aspects regarding a player's scoring game (finishing at the rim is actually an area of one's scoring).

-Dantley's post-season scoring displays cannot begin to **** with Jordan or Shaq's.
Adrian never proved himself much at all there, EXTREMELY different for those other two, who did their thing and went all the way. (you cannot say the same comparing Parker and some other PG there, though)

-Jordan, Shaq and Dantley's "numbers" are actually closer than Parker's "numbers" (at the rim) compared to those other PG's.

-AD never even had seasons scoring as much PPG as MJ... Still, Dantley's indeed one of the GOAT scorers (and he wasn't much more than that at all).

^Nothing more I can say past that, it is what it is...
Now you're even saying that finishing at the rim is as limited of a discussion as one's overall scoring abilities :rolleyes:

[mehyaM24]

Amazing that a Kobe stan can write this. The Parker choice is backed up by raw points, by FG% and by % of FGs at the rim.
nice strawman

and me? a kobe fan? don't make me laugh.

[rmt]

nice strawman

and me? a kobe fan? don't make me laugh.

Sorry for the assumption.

[mehyaM24]

Once again...



^Nothing more I can say past that, it is what it is...
Now you're even saying that finishing at the rim is as limited of a discussion as one's overall scoring abilities :rolleyes:

so why isn't wilt the best dunker? he has the best conversion rate....allegedly

:confusedshrug:

[Clifton]

I don't even understand Parker's layups and floaters. Don't see how he does it.

One of the most underrated player abilities ever. Parker's layups.

The Spurs have Duncan, yes. And they always have some average Joe who might be bagging groceries next year getting hot from 3. Maybe it's Roger Mason, maybe it's Gary Neal, maybe it's Bonner. But it's always Parker knifing through the defense, curling around picks, and hitting the layups over 2 guys twice his size.

[Cali Syndicate]

In his prime/peak, parker led the league 2 seasons in a row with points in the paint...his floater and overall creativity around the hoop leads this charge.

Kyrie is fun to watch, so was rose.

[PistonsFan#21]

Not a single one picked Curry in their top 3? He has probably one of the lowest volume of shots at the rim but when he gets there hes got one of the best touches ive seen, doesnt matter if he goes left or right.

[houston]

parker of course

[RightToCensor]

Tony Parker has been gifted with the floor spacing the Spurs has given him all his career.

I've seen Kyrie finish over multiple defenders while having the most defenders gravitate to him because his teammates are non-threats.

[RightToCensor]

Been looking it over and there's no real answer to this. Both Parker and Kyrie are equally sensational finishers around the rim.

[Pointguard]

^That right there, even along with the eye-test, pretty much ends the debate, tbh...
Not even all that close.
Idgaf about what types of finishes he can't pull because doing what he does, he has them beat...

[/B]
Its gotten to be crazy with this number stuff. Jordan was the best at the rim I saw. No numbers needed. Especially, if its at the end of the game. But the Piston reduced the % numbers and production numbers. Was Jordan not the best because in the playoffs because teams keyed in on stopping him???

Reggie Miller could hit a higher percentage and score more than Ray Allen. But all of the teams resources offensively were bent on setting picks and getting Reggie Miller open. Ray Allen had some great games against Bowen in the playoffs without using the teams resources. It was no question in my mind who was the better shooter. And if Ray was on Indiana he better than Reggie without question. And if Reggie is on Seattle he's not nearly the player Ray was there. Reggie needed his team to help him get off.

A great offensive coach has different ploys to getting his players off at different spots on the floor. He's just better at it. D'Antoni is going to run plays that work for his finishers. Thibes isn't. Thibes had spacing problems his first few years but will never be Pop in that regards. Tony is quick and gets off his shot fast. And he has to rank high because he's good at it. I definitely think Rose can get from the top of the key to basket better than him on a set defense. Timmy sets the best picks in the world and SA's spacing is waaaaay better than Chicago's. There is a big thing with Thibes of getting back on defense so Chicago didn't run much at all so both production and % were affected in the half court game and the running game.

The three most important things about finishing is athleticism, touch and strength. Tony Parker is a marvel because he is indeed good at it but is weak in two areas.

[SyRyanYang]

Kyrie and peak Parker


Pre-injury Rose


Rest

[JZ600]

Lol@chris paul

Dude cant even make wide open layup in all star skills challenge