Did Ancient Greece "steal" from Ancient Egypt?

[Heilige]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MDKF8CXXL._SX302_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg




The book is an attempt to show that the true authors of Greek Philosophy were not Greeks, but the people of North Africa, commonly called the Egyptians; and the praise and honor falsely given to Greeks for centuries belong to the people of North Africa. Consequently, this theft of the African legacy led to the erroneous world opinion that the African continent has made no contributions to civilizations, and that it's people were naturally backward. This is the basis of race prejudice, which has affected all people of color.


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0865433623/internetsacredte



Is anybody familiar with Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt? Is this assertion true?



You can read this online here:


http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/stle/stle05.htm

[RidonKs]

did you read that book heilige?

[Akrazotile]

OP been postin more often lately.

And JUST when rasheed1 has quietly disappeared.......






Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm................. :eek: :eek: :eek:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

OP been postin more often lately.

And JUST when rasheed1 has quietly disappeared.......






Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm................. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Nah bro.

Heilige = Fat innocent weird guy trying to lose weight
Rasheed1 =https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2N-sf7NgrA

[Akrazotile]

Nah bro.

Heilige = Fat innocent weird guy trying to lose weight
Rasheed1 =https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2N-sf7NgrA


I know, Im yust yokin.

[DeuceWallaces]

There's not a lot of concrete understanding about history, especially cultural, from mid-early greek and beyond. In fact, there's a small amount of evidence that much what we think about middle ages and before is all messed up and out of order.

There's some cool research out there where astrological historians try and match up historical accounts of major events to actual astrological dates. A lot of it is kind of unnerving.

[Heilige]

There's not a lot of concrete understanding about history, especially cultural, from mid-early greek and beyond. In fact, there's a small amount of evidence that much what we think about middle ages and before is all messed up and out of order.

There's some cool research out there where astrological historians try and match up historical accounts of major events to actual astrological dates. A lot of it is kind of unnerving.


Interesting! Do you have any links regarding this information?

[Heilige]

Found this from another message board:



The origin story of Batman (movie at least) was built similar to the true story of Alexander the Great and his time in the Egyptian mystery schools.

The schools existed for thousands of years in Africa, before Alexander the Great invaded the land with his mentor, Aristotle. Small quote from a book that talks about it called, Stolen Legacy


After the conquest of Egypt by Alexander the Great, and the seizure and looting of the Royal Library at Alexandria, Aristotle's plan to usurp Egyptian philosophy, was subsequently carried out by members of his school: Theophrastus, Andronicus of Rhodes and Eudemus, who soon found themselves confronted with the problem of a chronology for a history of philosophy. (Introduction of Zeller's Hist. of Phil. p. 13).


Without being too deep Alexander destroyed a whole race of elite warriors after learning from them just like Batman did in the first act of Batman Begins. Aristotle was a lot like Ras al Gul in that he was a white man that was accepted into a foreign circle. Batman stole the essence of the League of Shadows and used it to protect the very thing that the group was built to destroy. Remember Bane's line in the third movie...

http://41.media.tumblr.com/ea61df6e6e4f0fbbdae9bd6fd63f92e7/tumblr_mnm8tcZ2dJ1srrf99o1_1280.jpg

As a result of the realness of first film, the other two movies had a very strong "white pride" and "protect the streets" vibe than the other movies. Also why no Blacks were in major roles other than Morgan Freeman.

[Akrazotile]

Im not that familiar with OP, I think the bulk of his posting predates my being here, but what Ive seen of him lately... Dude has to be trolling. He cant really be serious with this stuff.

[highwhey]

Im not that familiar with OP, I think the bulk of his posting predates my being here, but what Ive seen of him lately... Dude has to be trolling. He cant really be serious with this stuff.
Troll? Yes.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151723

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

More on the secret school Heilige.

Much more.

[BigNBAfan]

The GOAT pre-euroleague troll has risen....

btw stop messaging me, dont have time for your million questions heil.

[outbreak]

I wouldn't say they stole things, a lot of cultures borrowed a lot of things and a lot of cultures developed similar systems independently of each other. My favourite history quote (that I heard on Dan Carlin's hardcore history) is:

"History is a set of lies we all agree upon"

Meaning the majority of accepted history is still an assumption but because the majority of the field agree upon that assumption it is taken as fact. You only need to look at how often news finds change the accepted views on ancient societies to see how frequently we have things wrong. Then you also need to think about all the great civilizations and cultures that had no form of writing that we know nothing about or only have one sided accounts from their enemies.

Saying Africa had no ancient culture is stupid any way as there are a few different civilizations that came out of that area during different time periods. If an area doesn't seem as developed it usually is a sign that they just didn't have as much contact with other cultures via being on a trade route or easily accessible.

[masonanddixon]

Of course it was stolen. All the ancient Greeks were trained in Egypt, for example Socrates' mentor was Euclid, an Egyptian/

[9erempiree]

They did not steal from Egypt because if they stole from Egypt then they forgot to steal Egypt's take on architecture. While some Egyptian structures and statutes still stand today, the Greeks' are in ruins. Egyptians believed in 'everlasting' that is why they mummify bodies and their structures were not built free standing. The Greeks believed in beauty and built structures free standing and over time these structures collapsed. Two different train of thoughts during a period of growth for mankind. You can tell a lot of about civilization on how they build.

Sadly due to looting and war, Egypt is losing a lot of its antiquities and its structures are getting damaged.

So I would say Greece didn't steal anything from Egypt.

Romans stole from Greece though.

[Akrazotile]

Troll? Yes.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151723



Hah, damn, I even posted in that old thread. Forgot about it entirely.


The dude is definitely the same j$/stalker4life/Scholar character that always posts about different aspects of life from the perspective of a loser and tries to see what other posters have to say about these topics so he can document their opinions on it get a better and better picture of every poster.

A lot of people dont quite appreciate the depth of it, but there is someone on this board who is honestly a nutjob obsessive on the level of a scripted hollywood movie character. A real life screwloose. And no, it isnt me :lol

But someone here puts a TON of effort - basically his entire life's energy - into trolling this board 24/7. Dozens of different names and personalities. Made up backstories with photoshopped "confirmations." Probably an entire USB card full of saved threads. PMing people and trying to talk to them. Digging up everything about them online he can find. Deuces myspace. My phone number. Dondadda's IMDB.

Very weird and sad too. Its the kind of thing youd see as satire on ep of southpark, but its actually happening on here. Reminds me of the Cable Guy tbh

[outbreak]

Of course it was stolen. All the ancient Greeks were trained in Egypt, for example Socrates' mentor was Euclid, an Egyptian/

Euclid lived during the rein ptolmeiac empire though. They were Macedonian and Eygpt was lead by a succession of kings/pharoahs who did not even speak egyptian. Cleopatra was the first of their line to learn the language and they ran the country in the vein of Alexander the Great (they were founded by his general who stole his body and took it to Eygpt).

[DonDadda59]

Of course the Greeks 'stole' from the Egyptians, just as the Romans would later 'steal' from the Greeks. America would eventually 'steal' its system of government/political ideals from the Romans and the French.

Society, religion, knowledge, etc are passed on through different ages and societies via one big game of telephone. Those things were not born in a vacuum.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/69/75569-004-3B260631.jpg

IMO, Socrates face does look like the face of a man from African descent.

[masonanddixon]

Euclid lived during the rein ptolmeiac empire though. They were Macedonian and Eygpt was lead by a succession of kings/pharoahs who did not even speak egyptian. Cleopatra was the first of their line to learn the language and they ran the country in the vein of Alexander the Great (they were founded by his general who stole his body and took it to Eygpt).

Yes that is true. To be honest, I do not know the intricacies of the empires terribly well. I am more into literature and philosophy and ancient religion and I know that Egypt and the Fertile Crescent basically ran everything up until the 3rd-5th century BC

[masonanddixon]

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/69/75569-004-3B260631.jpg

IMO, Socrates face does look like the face of a man from African descent.

Greeks back then were very white, very different to the dudes you see walking around today.

[outbreak]

Greeks back then were very white, very different to the dudes you see walking around today.

True. Alot of areas back then had populations that people wouldn't expect based on the genetic make up that lives there now. Thousands of years of invasions, conquests, migrations etc changes things up in some areas.

[Akrazotile]

Of course the Greeks 'stole' from the Egyptians, just as the Romans would later 'steal' from the Greeks. America would eventually 'steal' its system of government/political ideals from the Romans and the French.

Society, religion, knowledge, etc are passed on through different ages and societies via one big game of telephone. Those things were not born in a vacuum.


Yes.

This is basically the crux of the theory as to why modern society developed so much faster on the wide eurasian landmass than any other. One thing can be developed in france and one thing in china, and eventually via trade and idea diffusion both societies will have both things.

On smaller or more geographically complicated continents there is less interaction between various societies. Travel is easier along lines of latitude, than lines of longitude with their distinct changes in climate which were hard on early man. So there just arent as many opportunities for new ideas or technology to come into existence as there are along the vast latitudinal silk road connecting europe to asia.


But it's the same reason all this earliest western societies sprang up near each other - Sumeria, Egypt, Greece, Rome. Each one builds on what came before it or what is around it.

[9erempiree]

So anyone cared to read the article? What is it that they are claiming they stole? More specifically.

[highwhey]

Hah, damn, I even posted in that old thread. Forgot about it entirely.


The dude is definitely the same j$/stalker4life/Scholar character that always posts about different aspects of life from the perspective of a loser and tries to see what other posters have to say about these topics so he can document their opinions on it get a better and better picture of every poster.

A lot of people dont quite appreciate the depth of it, but there is someone on this board who is honestly a nutjob obsessive on the level of a scripted hollywood movie character. A real life screwloose. And no, it isnt me :lol

But someone here puts a TON of effort - basically his entire life's energy - into trolling this board 24/7. Dozens of different names and personalities. Made up backstories with photoshopped "confirmations." Probably an entire USB card full of saved threads. PMing people and trying to talk to them. Digging up everything about them online he can find. Deuces myspace. My phone number. Dondadda's IMDB.

Very weird and sad too. Its the kind of thing youd see as satire on ep of southpark, but its actually happening on here. Reminds me of the Cable Guy tbh
It's creepy but at the same time, this individual has a certain intelligence to be able to portray all these different characters and do it consistently. I want to say zen is behind a lot of alts but i just don't know lol.

[Akrazotile]

So anyone cared to read the article? What is it that they are claiming they stole? More specifically.


Who cares? OP is a troll, and this is a troll topic. I dont mean the thread. I mean even among the salty black folks like rasheed1 and the try-hard "academics" who waste their time spewing such agenda-driven silliness.

[Akrazotile]

It's creepy but at the same time, this individual has a certain intelligence to be able to portray all these different characters and do it consistently. I want to say zen is behind a lot of alts but i just don't know lol.

I suppose it takes a certain level of intelligence to always spot them instead of just taking everything at face value without thinking, as most people do.


Two peas in a pod :cheers:

[highwhey]

I suppose it takes a certain level of intelligence to always spot them instead of just taking everything at face value without thinking, as most people do.


Two peas in a pod :cheers:
Lol gotta admit I've never been more entertained on a forum than by some of the alts on here :lol

[KingBeasley08]

I don't think OP is a troll. Judging by the convos I've had with him I'd say he's just a bit eccentric...

[Heilige]

Im not that familiar with OP, I think the bulk of his posting predates my being here, but what Ive seen of him lately... Dude has to be trolling. He cant really be serious with this stuff.



What's wrong with the stuff I post you ****ing idiot? If you have a problem with it don't post in my ****ing threads.

[Heilige]

Who cares? OP is a troll, and this is a troll topic. I dont mean the thread. I mean even among the salty black folks like rasheed1 and the try-hard "academics" who waste their time spewing such agenda-driven silliness.


No ******* not a troll thread. No one had a problem with this topic except you. What is silly about asking about Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greece?

[Heilige]

Hah, damn, I even posted in that old thread. Forgot about it entirely.


The dude is definitely the same j$/stalker4life/Scholar character that always posts about different aspects of life from the perspective of a loser and tries to see what other posters have to say about these topics so he can document their opinions on it get a better and better picture of every poster.

A lot of people dont quite appreciate the depth of it, but there is someone on this board who is honestly a nutjob obsessive on the level of a scripted hollywood movie character. A real life screwloose. And no, it isnt me :lol

But someone here puts a TON of effort - basically his entire life's energy - into trolling this board 24/7. Dozens of different names and personalities. Made up backstories with photoshopped "confirmations." Probably an entire USB card full of saved threads. PMing people and trying to talk to them. Digging up everything about them online he can find. Deuces myspace. My phone number. Dondadda's IMDB.

Very weird and sad too. Its the kind of thing youd see as satire on ep of southpark, but its actually happening on here. Reminds me of the Cable Guy tbh



I'm pretty sure you haven't accomplished a damn thing in your life you piece of shit but you want to spend most of your time trying to lambast me.

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/greek-philosophers-african-tribes.htm

[Pointguard]

http://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/greek-philosophers-african-tribes.htm
Good article. I didn't know they did historical pieces. You can see similarities in structures, math (Pie and Phi), geometric patterns and some of the mythology.

[Pointguard]

Heiliege is the least likely person here to have alternates. He's himself, puts on no airs, speaks plain, expresses himself fully and is about his business here.

[NumberSix]

After the conquest of Egypt by Alexander the Great, and the seizure and looting of the Royal Library at Alexandria, Aristotle's plan to usurp Egyptian philosophy, was subsequently carried out by members of his school: Theophrastus, Andronicus of Rhodes and Eudemus, who soon found themselves confronted with the problem of a chronology for a history of philosophy. (Introduction of Zeller's Hist. of Phil. p. 13).
Lol. Who wrote this nonsense? How do you "loot" a library that doesn't exist yet? :wtf:

Is that like the time that Europeans invaded America and looted the smithsonian? :roll:

[NumberSix]

True. Alot of areas back then had populations that people wouldn't expect based on the genetic make up that lives there now. Thousands of years of invasions, conquests, migrations etc changes things up in some areas.
That's not true. The Greeks are the same people today as they have always been throughout recorded history. The DNA doesn't lie. The only difference is that a lot of territory that used to be greek is now occupied by Turks.

[GIF REACTION]

You can Private Message me Hellige. I can give you dietary tips to improve health, lose fat and clean skin. The vegan way.

[LJJ]

Of course. The ancient Greeks stole everything from the ancient Egyptians, who in turn stole everything they knew from the ancient Dutch.

Too bad we never get any respect. :(

[ArbitraryWater]

I thought we settled heilige being himself/not trolling when his Bodybuilding Profile was found, pics of himself, etc. and he kinda opened up on himself..

[highwhey]

Of course. The ancient Greeks stole everything from the ancient Egyptians, who in turn stole everything they knew from the ancient Dutch.

Too bad we never get any respect. :(
Explain pls

[Pointguard]

Lol. Who wrote this nonsense? How do you "loot" a library that doesn't exist yet? :wtf:

Is that like the time that Europeans invaded America and looted the smithsonian? :roll:
It wasn't called Alexandria at first. It was looted and actually stolen from the Egyptians. Its located in Egypt and they don't go around naming their Libraries after the latest Egyptian invaders. If you used your nugget you would have figured that out. The Greek libraries were obviously inferior to Alexandria as so many of the Greek philosophers preferred to live in Alexandria, which is nothing but the new name given to the precious area in Egypt. It was an Egyptian Library that suffered many fires because of jealous Greek rulers.

[Stempel, HERB]

Of course. The ancient Greeks stole everything from the ancient Egyptians, who in turn stole everything they knew from the ancient Dutch.

Too bad we never get any respect. :(

You don't get no respect cause you are tall and can get your ads whooped by an oompa loompa on record time.

Try not being such a soft pseudo intellectual biich and maybe your girlfriend just might address you as something other than her personal tampon.

[Heilige]

Just letting you guys know, that this pic, is in fact, no joke, 100% a side profile view of Heilige.

http://www.retrosection.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/fat-man-at-computer.jpg

Overweight. Check.
Old. Check.
Unshaven. Check.
Loveless. Check.
Tries to learn through interwebs. Check.
No social skills. Check.

So let me ask you losers who are barely better than him. Do you think that answering his questions in English are going to better his situation? He's chosen his fate.



What have you ****ing accomplished in your life you ****ing loser?

[Stempel, HERB]

What have you ****ing accomplished in your life you ****ing loser?

Obviously not letting myself balloon up to the size of Rosie for starters.

But your comment about me

Let's see your feats up to date.
- Mustered up the "courage" to message people about hygiene products after half a millennium.... In a modernized society
- Creeped out this degenerate site to the point that even the resident nice guys refuse to lift you from depression
- Ate enough food to reach me at 300 on a sub 6' frame
..
.....
........ That's three so far. Gonna need some help to fabricate a fourth.

I'm just glad that your so bloody slow the local kids will always outrun and outwit your advances.

[Heilige]

Obviously not letting myself balloon up to the size of Rosie for starters.

But your comment about me

Let's see your feats up to date.
- Mustered up the "courage" to message people about hygiene products after half a millennium.... In a modernized society
- Creeped out this degenerate site to the point that even the resident nice guys refuse to lift you from depression
- Ate enough food to reach me at 300 on a sub 6' frame
..
.....
........ That's three so far. Gonna need some help to fabricate a fourth.

I'm just glad that your so bloody slow the local kids will always outrun and outwit your advances.



I know I'm a ****ing loser you dumb ****. Who are you to criticize me? Why don't you just **** off? I'm tired of people like you always attacking me.

[Stempel, HERB]

I know I'm a ****ing loser you dumb ****. Who are you to criticize me? Why don't you just **** off? I'm tired of people like you always attacking me.
If you don't hear it from somewhere, you're going to wake up tomorrow morning and try again. And we all know that's the worst idea you ever had.

[NumberSix]

It wasn't called Alexandria at first. It was looted and actually stolen from the Egyptians. Its located in Egypt and they don't go around naming their Libraries after the latest Egyptian invaders. If you used your nugget you would have figured that out. The Greek libraries were obviously inferior to Alexandria as so many of the Greek philosophers preferred to live in Alexandria, which is nothing but the new name given to the precious area in Egypt. It was an Egyptian Library that suffered many fires because of jealous Greek rulers.
It was the Romans who set fire to the library, not the Greeks. Why the hell the Greeks burn their own library? :confusedshrug:

[BigNBAfan]

I know I'm a ****ing loser you dumb ****. Who are you to criticize me? Why don't you just **** off? I'm tired of people like you always attacking me.


Usually i dont care for shit like this, but this post kinda made me sad. Sorry Heilige for trolling your thread. I'd give you a proper reply to the OP but i dont know much on the subject matter.

[Pointguard]

It was the Romans who set fire to the library, not the Greeks. Why the hell the Greeks burn their own library? :confusedshrug:
The heavy scroll content is evidence enough that it wasn't their Library. Papyrus doesn't maintain well outside of Egypt and it takes a different skill than the Greeks and Romans had. The articles provided by a couple of posters here provided the reason for the constant burnings: the Greeks had claimed a lot of the sciences they learned from the scrolls as their own. If they had burned the evidence the claim is theirs. Unfortunately for them the stuff was also written on Pyramids and underground tunnels.

Think about it, why do you consistently head r of the burnings of Alexandria.

[NumberSix]

The heavy scroll content is evidence enough that it wasn't their Library. Papyrus doesn't maintain well outside of Egypt and it takes a different skill than the Greeks and Romans had. The articles provided by a couple of posters here provided the reason for the constant burnings: the Greeks had claimed a lot of the sciences they learned from the scrolls as their own. If they had burned the evidence the claim is theirs. Unfortunately for them the stuff was also written on Pyramids and underground tunnels.

Think about it, why do you consistently head r of the burnings of Alexandria.
I just want you to seriously consider the level of stupidity you're preaching. Stay with me for a minute here....

If they want to "destroy the evidence", why not just fcuking burn it? Take the scrolls you want to destroy, throw them all in a pit outside and just burn them. Why are they constantly trying to get rid of them by leaving them inside their library, trying to burn down the library, putting the fire out, rebuilding what's damaged and salvaging what's left of the scrolls they supposedly want to destroy so badly. Like, are these people fcuking retarded or something?

[outbreak]

It wasn't called Alexandria at first. It was looted and actually stolen from the Egyptians. Its located in Egypt and they don't go around naming their Libraries after the latest Egyptian invaders. If you used your nugget you would have figured that out. The Greek libraries were obviously inferior to Alexandria as so many of the Greek philosophers preferred to live in Alexandria, which is nothing but the new name given to the precious area in Egypt. It was an Egyptian Library that suffered many fires because of jealous Greek rulers.

Well this is just terrible info right here.

Alexandria was a tiny coastal town under the Egyptians no libraries, no nothing. Alexander the Great founded Alexandria when he took over the area and it was built up from there as a hellenistic town and capital. Before he took over it was a small town and was chosen because large ships could get to it. He wasn't Greek either he was Macedonian. Do your research before spreading bullshit please. It wasn't even founded until around the 300bcs iirc.

[NumberSix]

Well this is just terrible info right here.

Alexandria was a tiny coastal town under the Egyptians no libraries, no nothing. Alexander the Great founded Alexandria when he took over the area and it was built up from there as a hellenistic town and capital. Before he took over it was a small town and was chosen because large ships could get to it. He wasn't Greek either he was Macedonian. Do your research before spreading bullshit please. It wasn't even founded until around the 300bcs iirc.
Ugh.... You were doing so well, and then you say this nonsense. :wtf:

He was quite clearly GREEK. as you've already stated, everything about him was Hellenistic. He wasn't some FYROM slav/albanian. Macedonia is Greek. Macedonians are Greek people.

[outbreak]

Ugh.... You were doing so well, and then you say this nonsense. :wtf:

He was quite clearly GREEK. as you've already stated, everything about him was Hellenistic. He wasn't some FYROM slav/albanian. Macedonia is Greek. Macedonians are Greek people.
Genetically and essentially yeah but where he was from he was Macedonian. Not sure what else to tell you because that's just known and that's the family he was from.

[NumberSix]

Genetically and essentially yeah but where he was from he was Macedonian. Not sure what else to tell you because that's just known and that's the family he was from.
Right, but that's like saying "LeBron James isn't American. He's an Ohioan". Uhh, yeah. Ohio is part of America. Ohioans are American.

Maybe you're not familiar with the history and the geopolitics of this situation.

There are 2 places called Macedonia. 1 is a country that has nothing to do with Greece. The other is a section OF Greece. The Macedonia that Alexander is from is the one that is part of Greece.

[gigantes]

Did Ancient Greece "steal" from Ancient Egypt?
of course they did. every culture and most religions stole / borrowed from earlier, locale and surrounding cultures and religions.

one of the oldest stories in the book, seen endlessly all over the world.

[Ray22]

Is anybody familiar with Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt? Is this assertion true?




It's an entertaining read. Not as entertaining as the Black Athena, but, without doubt, an important piece of work of the afrocentric mythology.




Right, but that's like saying "LeBron James isn't American. He's an Ohioan". Uhh, yeah. Ohio is part of America. Ohioans are American.

Maybe you're not familiar with the history and the geopolitics of this situation.

There are 2 places called Macedonia. 1 is a country that has nothing to do with Greece. The other is a section OF Greece. The Macedonia that Alexander is from is the one that is part of Greece.


And I was sure that fyromians had convinced everyone of their direct descent from Alexander.

Good posts NumberSix :cheers:

[No_Look604]

Persian Empire :confusedshrug:

[Pointguard]

Well this is just terrible info right here.

Alexandria was a tiny coastal town under the Egyptians no libraries, no nothing. Alexander the Great founded Alexandria when he took over the area and it was built up from there as a hellenistic town and capital. Before he took over it was a small town and was chosen because large ships could get to it. He wasn't Greek either he was Macedonian. Do your research before spreading bullshit please. It wasn't even founded until around the 300bcs iirc.
:lol
It was an imported library. You seriously don't think the Egyptian scrolls flew in there by chance do you??? You realize that the content was Egyptian scrolls right??? And that these scrolls could not be maintained in Greece/Rome or Macedonia. So what you are saying is absolutely irrelevant. Were you reading my previous post??? And then you have enough nerve to ask somebody to do research? The Macedonians, Romans and Greeks would be complete idiots to write on scrolls. They put the imported library in an accessible place. Wow, aren't you a clever guy. ''

Does that mean they can't burn it.

Does that mean they didn't loot it???

You are coming off like you are sophisticated. I'm going to have fun with you.

[Pointguard]

I just want you to seriously consider the level of stupidity you're preaching. Stay with me for a minute here....

If they want to "destroy the evidence", why not just fcuking burn it? Take the scrolls you want to destroy, throw them all in a pit outside and just burn them. Why are they constantly trying to get rid of them by leaving them inside their library, trying to burn down the library, putting the fire out, rebuilding what's damaged and salvaging what's left of the scrolls they supposedly want to destroy so badly. Like, are these people fcuking retarded or something?
The Library was apparently very hard to burn as there are definitely several attempts (large size perhaps location/environment) but they did succeed in the end in doing what you suggested. I can't speak for their failures on burning the Library. More than likely many Greek/Roman scholars had preserved the scrolls as to knowing their value. Its a bit immature to suggest that burning valued information is easily done as you clownishly done above. Somebody is always protecting knowledge.

But its obvious that it was in Egypt and had mostly Egyptian content and was getting a whole lot of fires. Its obviously a place where Greek and Roman scholars lived and stayed there for long periods of time to learn. To suggest otherwise is total folly.

[NumberSix]

The Library was apparently very hard to burn as there are definitely several attempts (large size perhaps location/environment) but they did succeed in the end in doing what you suggested. I can't speak for their failures on burning the Library. More than likely many Greek/Roman scholars had preserved the scrolls as to knowing their value. Its a bit immature to suggest that burning valued information is easily done as you clownishly done above. Somebody is always protecting knowledge.

But its obvious that it was in Egypt and had mostly Egyptian content and was getting a whole lot of fires. Its obviously a place where Greek and Roman scholars lived and stayed there for long periods of time to learn. To suggest otherwise is total folly.
Is it? :confusedshrug:

Are you under the impression that the library existed before the Greeks showed up?

What EXACTLY is it that you think the Greeks "stole" from the Egyptians?

[outbreak]

:lol
It was an imported library. You seriously don't think the Egyptian scrolls flew in there by chance do you??? You realize that the content was Egyptian scrolls right??? And that these scrolls could not be maintained in Greece/Rome or Macedonia. So what you are saying is absolutely irrelevant. Were you reading my previous post??? And then you have enough nerve to ask somebody to do research? The Macedonians, Romans and Greeks would be complete idiots to write on scrolls. They put the imported library in an accessible place. Wow, aren't you a clever guy. ''

Does that mean they can't burn it.

Does that mean they didn't loot it???

You are coming off like you are sophisticated. I'm going to have fun with you.
I didn't say they didn't collate things in to one place but you are the idiot who thought they walked in to an existing city and library before i corrected you.

[Pointguard]

I didn't say they didn't collate things in to one place but you are the idiot who thought they walked in to an existing city and library before i corrected you.
They obviously robbed a existing library/institution that had an Egyptian name with scrolls in it. Now that they call the place Alexandria and the Library in its namesake. Just because they changed the name, doesn't mean the Egyptian institution didn't exist with its own name. The Library did exist and likely had an Egyptian name. I never said anything about an existing city. This is what I originally wrote:

"It wasn't called Alexandria at first. It was looted and actually stolen from the Egyptians. Its located in Egypt and they don't go around naming their Libraries after the latest Egyptian invaders."

"The heavy scroll content is evidence enough that it wasn't their Library."

The content of the conversation is "was it stolen." You are getting caught up in silly semantics and some of which you imagined. I don't really care of useless sidebars like who was a Macedonian or Greek. My guess is that you aren't going to hang around and really discuss this because I know that you can't. You would have already shared your opinion if you had one.

[Pointguard]

Is it? :confusedshrug:

Are you under the impression that the library existed before the Greeks showed up?
Where do you think the scrolls came from?


What EXACTLY is it that you think the Greeks "stole" from the Egyptians?
Mathematics, literature, mythology, Physics, astronomy, theology calendars, mechanics, architecture, music, music theory, geology, biology and several other disciplines. astrology, chemistry for the most part. This is off the top of my head as I recall early Egyptian lore.

[NumberSix]

Where do you think the scrolls came from?

Mathematics, literature, mythology, Physics, astronomy, theology calendars, mechanics, architecture, music, music theory, geology, biology and several other disciplines. astrology, chemistry for the most part. This is off the top of my head as I recall early Egyptian lore.
And what evidence do you have that would suggest any of that? :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

Genetically and essentially yeah but where he was from he was Macedonian. Not sure what else to tell you because that's just known and that's the family he was from.
:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: