Muslims being denied firearms by private gun stores

[BigNBAfan]

:applause: MUSLIM FREE ZONE :applause:

Sometimes the best first step is the one that's not so PC.

Good job America... you are slowly bettering yourselves.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/07/21/owner-declares-gun-store-muslim-free-costello-bts-nr.cnn

[longtime lurker]

Not surprised the guy has a confederate flag backdrop.

[imdaman99]

Not surprised the guy has a confederate flag backdrop.
This.

[9erempiree]

It's actually a good thing considering the cuddly, educated boy from next door can snap anytime. Evidence of this is Tennessee.

[navy]

Dangerous precedent.

[DeuceWallaces]

Yeah, muslims are always shooting up America.

He should probably stop selling to white men if he wants to make a difference.

[SugarHill]

How does one decide who's muslim?

[Derka]

So...the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to American Muslims? Just curious.

[9erempiree]

They do background checks when you purchase a gun and they ask a lot of questions pertaining to psychological health. I think anyone following and practicing from the Moran would be deemed not psychologically fit to own a gun.

Look at the shooter from Tennessee.

[9erempiree]

How does one decide who's muslim?

Good question. Don't know how it's going to be enforced.

[Derka]

They do background checks when you purchase a gun and they ask a lot of questions pertaining to psychological health. I think anyone following and practicing from the Moran would be deemed not psychologically fit to own a gun.

Look at the shooter from Tennessee.

So...by your criteria, we're excluding Christians from owning guns too, right? Their holy book has a guy getting executed and then somehow coming back to life three days later. If you think that actually happened, I'd say you're psychologically unfit to own a gun.

You're okay with that, right?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Good as long as they don't ban the crossbows.

Those darn Saracens are infamous for their archery skills.

Could get some nice venison to bring back to the countryfolk.

[9erempiree]

So...by your criteria, we're excluding Christians from owning guns too, right? Their holy book has a guy getting executed and then somehow coming back to life three days later. If you think that actually happened, I'd say you're psychologically unfit to own a gun.

You're okay with that, right?

There are mountains of evidence that say Muslim gunmen are committing heinous acts in the name of God compared while very few in the Christian world.

[Derka]

There are mountains of evidence that say Muslim gunmen are committing heinous acts in the name of God compared while very few in the Christian world.

:applause: for the way you totally didn't answer the question.

[Droid101]

There are mountains of evidence that say Muslim gunmen are committing heinous acts in the name of God compared while very few in the Christian world.
Well, that's a straight lie.

[BigNBAfan]

So...the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to American Muslims? Just curious.

It's not law, but store owner policy to refuse service or goods to anyone.

[DonDadda59]

Gumment tryna take our guns and bring martial law. Barrack HUSSEIN Obama hates 'Murrica and the 2nd amendment.

Oh wait, they're Muslims... Thanks a lot Obama :cheers:

[BigNBAfan]

They do background checks when you purchase a gun and they ask a lot of questions pertaining to psychological health. I think anyone following and practicing from the Moran would be deemed not psychologically fit to own a gun.

Look at the shooter from Tennessee.

In california they have a DROS and rifle safety exam now, not sure if it's national though...

[Derka]

It's not law, but store owner policy to refuse service or goods to anyone.

The right to keep and bear arms > store policy. This guy's doing this for attention and not much else. Frankly, the NRA should be all over this guy's sorry ass for denying legal, lawful gun ownership to American citizens.

[~primetime~]

It's just really really hard to feel outraged over this...can't do it no matter how hard I try.

Muslims cant get guns from this guy? oh well

[9erempiree]

The right to keep and bear arms > store policy. This guy's doing this for attention and not much else. Frankly, the NRA should be all over this guy's sorry ass for denying legal, lawful gun ownership to American citizens.



Right to bear arms means the government is allowing us to buy guns. Private business is a whole new matter.

For example....Is a someone refusing the sales of firearms because he decided to open a restaurant instead of a gun store?

[navy]

It's not law, but store owner policy to refuse service or goods to anyone.
Im pretty sure you cant deny people sale based on religion.

[BigNBAfan]

The right to keep and bear arms > store policy. This guy's doing this for attention and not much else. Frankly, the NRA should be all over this guy's sorry ass for denying legal, lawful gun ownership to American citizens.

Doesnt work like that idiot.... you have a right to eat, doesnt mean fast food places can't deny you service.

[BigNBAfan]

Im pretty sure you cant deny people sale based on religion.

This is right from what i understand, h ehas to be denying them for another reason legally though.

[navy]

This is right from what i understand, h ehas to be denying them for another reason legally though.
Well when you say you are a "muslim free zone" you arent doing yourself any favors legally.

[Derka]

Doesnt work like that idiot.... you have a right to eat, doesnt mean fast food places can't deny you service.

This is an incredibly stupid analogy if you're being serious. If not, 2/10 because I'm biting on it by replying.

[9erempiree]

Im pretty sure you cant deny people sale based on religion.

You can.

Some states don't have religious freedom laws.

[BigNBAfan]

Well when you say you are a "muslim free zone" you arent doing yourself any favors legally.

No but it's also not illegal unless he does kick someone out for being muslim... he might just think they smell and he doesnt want that odor in the building and thta can be his reason.

[BigNBAfan]

You can.

Some states don't have religious freedom laws.

Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964

[~primetime~]

This is right from what i understand, h ehas to be denying them for another reason legally though.
they can deny anyone they find 'questionable' a gun sale...he states this in the interview

he says he can't legally ask the religion of every single customer that walks in, but he can deny the sale of a gun to anyone he finds to be 'questionable'

[Derka]

Right to bear arms means the government is allowing us to buy guns. Private business is a whole new matter.

For example....Is a someone refusing the sales of firearms because he decided to open a restaurant instead of a gun store?

Okay. I think it should be an ISH rule from here on out that analogies are forbidden in any discourse we may undertake. You guys are vomiting out some real stinkers here.

[DeuceWallaces]

I saw this whole interview on CNN this morning. Just a total moron. All the clips of him in front of a confederate flag. Does he sell to black people?

[navy]

You can.

Some states don't have religious freedom laws.
Religious Freedom? What are you...

NVM.

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/the-right-to-refuse-service-can-a-business-refuse-service-to-someone-because-of-appearance

No you cant use religion as a reason to deny service.

[BigNBAfan]

I saw this whole interview on CNN this morning. Just a total moron. All the clips of him in front of a confederate flag. Does he sell to black people?

Not really... look at what he got from it, a huge amount of publicity.

[navy]

No but it's also not illegal unless he does kick someone out for being muslim... he might just think they smell and he doesnt want that odor in the building and thta can be his reason.
I dont think many judges will fall for that. Especially when he doesnt seem to hiding his intentions. He's advertising them.

[9erempiree]

Okay. I think it should be an ISH rule from here on out that analogies are forbidden in any discourse we may undertake. You guys are vomiting out some real stinkers here.

No. Bro.

You are basically saying the right to bear arms falls on the burden of store owners when it falls on the burden of the government.

You are blaming business owners for not allowing citizens to bear arms. So a 'business owner should be blamed for opening a restaurant rather than a gun store' fits perfectly.

No business owner should be held accountable to the 2nd amendment.

[Droid101]

You can.

Some states don't have religious freedom laws.
LOL this "proud patriot" doesn't even know basic American law.

There is a federal law that outlaws discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, in case you didn't know.

[BigNBAfan]

No. Bro.

You are basically saying the right to bear arms falls on the burden of store owners when it falls on the burden of the government.

You are blaming business owners for not allowing citizens to bear arms. So a 'business owner should be blamed for opening a restaurant rather than a gun store' fits perfectly.

No business owner should be held accountable to the 2nd amendment.

Read the civil rights act i posted you dumbass.

[BigNBAfan]

I dont think many judges will fall for that. Especially when he doesnt seem to hiding his intentions. He's advertising them.

Judges dont have to fall for anything, burden of proof is on the prosecutor not the defendant. They dont have a case... unless he says he kicked them out for being muslim on paper.

[NumberSix]

Yeah, muslims are always shooting up America.

He should probably stop selling to white men if he wants to make a difference.
Lol. You're such a PC tool. Of course you say "white men" because it's safe, as if you don't know that black men, not white men, is the demographic that commits the most gun violence.

[navy]

Judges dont have to fall for anything, burden of proof is on the prosecutor not the defendant. They dont have a case... unless he says he kicked them out for being muslim on paper.
That's not how things. Criminals dont say they are doing illegal things on paper. There wouldnt be a trial if that was the case. They do them and then have their lawyers try to convince other people that they arent doing these things. Prosecutors try to argue that they are doing them.

The burden of proof isnt big. He declares a muslim free zone and then argues he wasnt kicking out muslims because they were muslim but because they were questionable or they smell?

It's a laughable defense.

[NumberSix]

LOL this "proud patriot" doesn't even know basic American law.

There is a federal law that outlaws discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, in case you didn't know.
Right, and it is still federal law that marijuana is illegal.

[BigNBAfan]

That's not how things. Criminals dont say they are doing illegal things on paper. There wouldnt be a trial if that was the case. They do them and then have their lawyers try to convince other people that they arent doing these things. Prosecutors try to argue that they are doing them.

The burden of proof isnt big. He declares a muslim free zone and then argues he wasnt kicking out muslims because they were muslim but because they were questionable or they smell?

It's a laughable defense.

You really are clueless man... The burden of proof is always, ALWAYS on the prosecutor. The police have to find evidence...

[9erempiree]

You can deny this Muslim from entering and even refusing to sell right?...
http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/burka_bank_robber.jpg

This is means to refuse service....especially walking into a store selling firearms...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/17/02/27A5DBA700000578-0-image-a-17_1429233034198.jpg

[Godzuki]

america is already racist against muslims/arabs at the airports. its accepted racial profiling.

this takes it a step further but not that much further.

[navy]

You really are clueless man... The burden of proof is always, ALWAYS on the prosecutor. The police have to find evidence...

No shit. The evidence wouldn't be hard to get. He's advertising what he plans on doing even the defense he plans on using.

[BigNBAfan]

No shit. The evidence wouldn't be hard to get. He's advertising what he plans on doing even the defense he plans on using.

Hes not denying them for being muslim, he' denying them for being questionable. Two different things.

[navy]

Hes not denying them for being muslim, he' denying them for being questionable. Two different things.
No it's not. He quite literally said he was making a muslim free zone.

[NumberSix]

No it's not. He quite literally said he was making a muslim free zone.
Right, but believe or it or not, that in itself isn't actually a crime. You have to actually prove that in an individual case a person was specifically denied for being a Muslim.

[navy]

Right, but believe or it or not, that in itself isn't actually a crime. You have to actually prove that in an individual case a person was specifically denied for being a Muslim.

No shit. What do you think im arguing? Take this guy to jail right this very moment before he does anything?

[9erempiree]

Right, but believe or it or not, that in itself isn't actually a crime. You have to actually prove that in an individual case a person was specifically denied for being a Muslim.

I already showed you a perfect example of denying a Muslim and some states are okay with it.

This is a security breach...while an owner can openly kick them out because of religion.
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/108/11/108-1118232230-head-scarf.jpg

[NumberSix]

No shit. What do you think im arguing? Take this guy to jail right this very moment before he does anything?
What I'm telling you is that him saying its a "Muslim free zone" in itself is not proof of any discrimination.

Say a guy named Dave comes in to buy a gun. Dave happens to be a Muslim. They do a background check and the store owner decides not to sell Dave a gun. There are a million different legitimate reasons why he could have decided to not sell Dave a gun. In Dave's individual case, it would have to be proved that the specific reason he didn't sell to Dave is that Dave was a Muslim.

[navy]

What I'm telling you is that him saying its a "Muslim free zone" in itself is not proof of any discrimination.

Say a guy named Dave comes in to buy a gun. Dave happens to be a Muslim. They do a background check and the store owner decides not to sell Dave a gun. There are a million different legitimate reasons why he could have decided to not sell Dave a gun. In Dave's individual case, it would have to be proved that the specific reason he didn't sell to Dave is that Dave was a Muslim.
It would definitely be used against him in a court case trying to prove he was discriminating. Are you saying it wouldn't?

A million legitimate? No need for hyperbole. There are a few legitimate reasons he could have to not sell Dave the gun that he would argue in court. Some more believable than others.

[Droid101]

Right, and it is still federal law that marijuana is illegal.
:roll:

k

[NumberSix]

:roll:

k
What part is funny?

[NumberSix]

It would definitely be used against him in a court case trying to prove he was discriminating. Are you saying it wouldn't?

A million legitimate? No need for hyperbole. There are a few legitimate reasons he could have to not sell Dave the gun that he would argue in court. Some more believable than others.
No. Of course it would be mentioned. It's evidence. It counts.

Obviously it would show that he at least clams that intends to discriminate against Muslims for being Muslims..... but you need to prove that this was the reason in THIS case. Outside of directly telling Dave "I'm not selling you a gun because you're Muslim" it's nearly impossible to prove. If the store owner claims that his reason was because "he had an aggressive look in his eye" or "he was acting sketchy" how are you going to prove that this wasn't his reason?

It's not like selling a sandwich or a cake. You can't claim you didn't sell someone a sandwich because you were genuinely worried about what the person might do with it. There are a lot more reasonable explanations with denying a gun sale than with other products.

[DeuceWallaces]

Lol. You're such a PC tool. Of course you say "white men" because it's safe, as if you don't know that black men, not white men, is the demographic that commits the most gun violence.

I was talking about mass murders, even so, whites are 2nd in gun violence rates so the point still stands.

[Trollsmasher]

considering muslims are not human, that's probably a good idea

[navy]

No. Of course it would be mentioned. It's evidence. It counts.

Obviously it would show that he at least clams that intends to discriminate against Muslims for being Muslims..... but you need to prove that this was the reason in THIS case. Outside of directly telling Dave "I'm not selling you a gun because you're Muslim" it's nearly impossible to prove. If the store owner claims that his reason was because "he had an aggressive look in his eye" or "he was acting sketchy" how are you going to prove that this wasn't his reason?

Well that's for the courts to decide.

Remember the abercrombie and finch case where they told a women they wouldnt hire her for not following their headress policy and she sued them for discriminating against her religion?

In this case the reason was actually the headress and not because she was a muslim and the store still lost the case.

Would I bet on "Muslim Free Zone" guy winning a case against selling a muslim a firearm?

No.

[DeuceWallaces]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume the interview he conducted on national TV saying he won't sell to Muslims is pretty good proof as to his motives.

[NumberSix]

I was talking about mass murders, even so, whites are 2nd in gun violence rates so the point still stands.
No, a better point would be "when blacks kill with guns, they're generally not legally purchased, so that doesn't apply to this". That would actually be completely correct. But that wasn't YOUR reasoning. Your reasoning is that whites and men are the only ones you feel comfortable criticizing as a group.

[DeuceWallaces]

No, a better point would be "when blacks kill with guns, they're generally not legally purchased, so that doesn't apply to this". That would actually be completely correct. But that wasn't YOUR reasoning. Your reasoning is that whites and men are the only ones you feel comfortable criticizing as a group.

No, it wasn't.

[longtime lurker]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume the interview he conducted on national TV saying he won't sell to Muslims is pretty good proof as to his motives.

:roll: :roll: repped. Shouldn't the gun rights people be all over this? Where is the right wing and NRA to claim that freedums are being violated?

[NumberSix]

Well that's for the courts to decide.

Remember the abercrombie and finch case where they told a women they wouldnt hire her for not following their headress policy and she sued them for discriminating against her religion?

In this case the reason was actually the headress and not because she was a muslim and the store still lost the case.

Would I bet on "Muslim Free Zone" guy winning a case against selling a muslim a firearm?

No.
Well, that girl actually was discriminated against, but not for the reasons you think.

The problem with that case is that they DIDNT tell her that her headscarf was the reason they didn't want to hire her. They never even asked her about it. They just ASSUMED she wouldn't be willing to take it off to fit the dress policy. Because she's a Muslim, they never even gave her the opportunity to tell them whether she would be able to adhere to the dress code or not.

Now, if they had simply said "hey, we noticed you wear a headscarf. That doesn't work with our dress code. Are you able to take it off for work?" And she said no, it would be perfectly reasonable to not hire someone who won't follow the dress code. But they didn't even asked. They didn't give her a fair shot. They assumed she wouldn't follow the dress code because she's Muslim. She was legitimately discriminated against.

[NumberSix]

:roll: :roll: repped. Shouldn't the gun rights people be all over this? Where is the right wing and NRA to claim that freedums are being violated?
That's not a gun rights issue. It's a civil rights issue.

[poido123]

:roll: :roll: repped. Shouldn't the gun rights people be all over this? Where is the right wing and NRA to claim that freedums are being violated?


The Islamic community have demanded to be treated differently with all their halal certifications, building mosques, technicalities in the law, welfare rights and multiple wives in a western society...


It's only fair that we draw upon a technicality when it suits us too right?

[TripleA]

The Islamic community have demanded to be treated differently with all their halal certifications, building mosques, technicalities in the law, welfare rights and multiple wives in a western society...


It's only fair that we draw upon a technicality when it suits us too right?

What are you even talking about. He might as well say I will not sell to a brown person with a beard because it's impossible to tell if someone is Muslim by looking at them. This shit is so stupid. You might have a problem with Islam but idiots like this gun store owner probably think a Muslim looks like a Sikh like that shooter at the temple. Anyway He can saywhat he wants because his stupidity will probably cause him to lose bussiness.

[Patrick Chewing]

How does one decide who's muslim?


You don't know what Muslims look like? Even if it was a White Muslim, you can tell by:

1. Beard
2. Clothing
3. Name
4. Bad Smell
5. Sandals

[poido123]

What are you even talking about. He might as well say I will not sell to a brown person with a beard because it's impossible to tell if someone is Muslim by looking at them. This shit is so stupid. You might have a problem with Islam but idiots like this gun store owner probably thinks a Muslim looks like a Sikh like that shooter at the temple. Anyway I say what he wants because his stupidly will probably cause him to lose bussiness.


In light of a national security threat, it may get to that point.


The US and all "non believers" are dealing with a stealthy enemy. The line in the sand will keep changing while worldwide attacks continue to happen.

[poido123]

You don't know what Muslims look like? Even if it was a White Muslim, you can tell by:

1. Beard
2. Clothing
3. Name
4. Bad Smell
5. Sandals


:oldlol:

[SCdac]

discrimination ain't right. hell, there's some muslims that live in my neighborhood. I'd rather them be armed and willing to protect themselves and/or our neighborhood than not be... lets face it, if a terrorist or murderer is deeply committed, they'll find a way to cause harm, be it a knife, bomb, vehicle, or something else.

[Droid101]

The Islamic community have demanded to be treated differently with all their halal certifications, building mosques, technicalities in the law, welfare rights and multiple wives in a western society...


Literally none of that is happening on any type of scale in America.

Your bed-wetting is pretty funny though.

[KingBeasley08]

The Islamic community have demanded to be treated differently with all their halal certifications, building mosques, technicalities in the law, welfare rights and multiple wives in a western society...


It's only fair that we draw upon a technicality when it suits us too right?
bruh muslims make up like 1% of the population here. stop projecting your politics to other countries :lol

[poido123]

bruh muslims make up like 1% of the population here. stop projecting your politics to other countries :lol


Bro where are you living?

There like around 5 % here and they are by the far the most abrasive culture here. We have Chinese and Indians protesting against Muslims here, it's got that ridiculous :lol

In UK, it's like 7.5%? Even at 5%, we are experiencing large problems with them.

[NumberSix]

Bro where are you living?

There like around 5 % here and they are by the far the most abrasive culture here. We have Chinese and Indians protesting against Muslims here, it's got that ridiculous :lol

In UK, it's like 7.5%? Even at 5%, we are experiencing large problems with them.
:wtf:

No it isn't.

[poido123]

:wtf:

No it isn't.


Have a look at the 2015 stats. It can't be that far off that number

[KingBeasley08]

Bro where are you living?

There like around 5 % here and they are by the far the most abrasive culture here. We have Chinese and Indians protesting against Muslims here, it's got that ridiculous :lol

In UK, it's like 7.5%? Even at 5%, we are experiencing large problems with them.
United States


Islam is the fourth-largest faith in the United States, after Christianity, Judaism and Buddhism.[1] It was followed by 0.9% of the population in 2010, compared to 78.3% who follow Christianity, 16.4% unaffiliated, 1.8% Judaism and 1.2% Buddhism.[

We got more fcking Buddhists here :oldlol:


And American Muslims are pretty educated and successful here too. Arab Americans and Pakistani Americans are making bank

[Akrazotile]

Literally none of that is happening on any type of scale in America.

Your bed-wetting is pretty funny though.


One thing I dont understand is your constant willingness to demean, generalize, stereotype, ridicule christians/southerners/conservatives etc, based almsot exclusively on their position on homosexuality - ie not wanting them to marry.


Muslims around the world REGULARLY decapitate homosexuals just for existing, but any time someone judges or stereotypes a muslim, you SPRINT to their defense and attack the conservative who questions them.


Doesnt seem very consistent. It seems your number one priority above all else in life is to antagonize christians in order to... What? Impress people? Elevate your own self worth? It doesnt seem as though the reason has to do with any consistent principle on anything. You just seem to think it makes you look "cool."

I dont understand.

[BigNBAfan]

One thing I dont understand is your willingness to demean, generalize, stereotype, ridicule christians or southerners or republicans etc, based almsot exclusively on their position on homosexuality - ie not wanting them to marry.


Muslims around the world REGULARLY decapitate homosexuals just for existing, but any time someone judges of stereotypes a muslim, you RUSH to their defense.


Doesnt seem very consistent. It seems your number one priority above all else in life is to antagonize christians in order to... What? Impress people? Elevate your own self worth? It doesnt seem as though the reason has to do with any consistent principle on anything. You just seem to think it makes you look "cool."

I dont understand.

Droid's a dumbass, apparently i'm a christian and have to explain the bible because i dislike pig****er followers... newsflash, every other religion and just about everyone non-religious dislikes them.

[Akrazotile]

Droid's a dumbass, apparently i'm a christian and have to explain the bible because i dislike pig****er followers... newsflash, every other religion and just about everyone non-religious dislikes them.


I mean if you dont like religions that persecute homosexuality, okay. But he always attacks christians, or conservatives in general, frequently for their purported homophobia.

But if anyone else ridicules or generalizes Islam, Droid always rushes to stick up for Muslims and attack whoever is attacking them. Muslims who MURDER homosexuals regularly.

Isnt that kind of weird??

[poido123]

United States



We got more fcking Buddhists here :oldlol:


And American Muslims are pretty educated and successful here too. Arab Americans and Pakistani Americans are making bank



Here as in, I'm in australia. 5%

[Nick Young]

Yeah, muslims are always shooting up America.

He should probably stop selling to white men if he wants to make a difference.

Are you familiar with gun crime statistics, bro?

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/05/SDT-2013-05-gun-crime-2-5.png

[BigNBAfan]

btt

[RRR3]

Lol. You're such a PC tool. Of course you say "white men" because it's safe, as if you don't know that black men, not white men, is the demographic that commits the most gun violence.
Saying that without any context is dumb

[DeuceWallaces]

Are you familiar with gun crime statistics, bro?

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/05/SDT-2013-05-gun-crime-2-5.png

So you think blacks committing gun crimes are getting them legally from stores such as these? Bro?


Saying that without any context is dumb

It wasn't really out of context if you watched his interview.

[RRR3]

So you think blacks committing gun crimes are getting them legally from stores such as these? Bro?



It wasn't really out of context if you watched his interview.
No, Numbersix commented that "black men commit the most gun violence" and I said that was a comment without context.

[DeuceWallaces]

No, Numbersix commented that "black men commit the most gun violence" and I said that was a comment without context.

Aye.

I thought it was implicit that most people buying and committing acts of violence from these establishments are white males, but after the thread blew up with armchair sociologist it's apparent that it's not as implicit as I thought.

[RRR3]

Aye.

I thought it was implicit that most people buying and committing acts of violence from these establishments are white males, but after the thread blew up with armchair sociologist it's apparent that it's not as implicit as I thought.
Yeah I can't say I know much about a lot of these topics, but throwing out a statement like he did (regardless of whether it is true or not) and ignoring context can be dangerous IMO.

Honestly I need to start following the news much more closely. I have a habitat of jumping into discussions on subjects I only know a small bit about :lol
Political science this fall will be a start.