Trump is a true alpha

[Godzuki]

say what u want about the man but he doesn't fukk around. dude will scrap with anybody who disses him.

Mccain talked shit, Trump puts into question the whole reason Mccain is popular and credible. he has the biggest balls ever to go at Mccain's war hero status and actually makes a very good point how watered down the crowning of somebody being a hero is these days :applause:

Lindsey Graham is talking his shit last few days and Trump just straight up gives out his cell number to America:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-lindsey-graham-cell-phone/index.html

lmao :roll: :roll: :roll:

don't fukk with Trump :pimp:

[BigNBAfan]

I dont mind Trump, its actually refreshing to see a candidate be this far speaking his mind but his comments on POW are disgusting...

[Godzuki]

I dont mind Trump, its actually refreshing to see a candidate be this far speaking his mind but his comments on POW are disgusting...


its a legit point. how is everyone who gets captured a hero? then what do you call a true hero that does something outstanding?

obviously its politically incorrect and offensive to the mainstream, but its a very reasonable point he made.

[navy]

I dont mind Trump, its actually refreshing to see a candidate be this far speaking his mind but his comments on POW are disgusting...
Why do you assume he's speaking his mind and not trolling?

Dude is a great troll. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-the-worlds-greatest-troll/

That doesnt mean he believes what he says, if you go back and look you can find contradictions like any politician.

[BigNBAfan]

its a legit point. how is everyone who gets captured a hero? then what do you call a true hero that does something outstanding?

obviously its politically incorrect and offensive to the mainstream, but its a very reasonable point he made.

They are also a hero. Being a hero is not a competition... someone who goes through a great amount of sacrifice for the betterment of themselves/country or whatever is a hero.

[Godzuki]

Why do you assume he's speaking his mind and not trolling?

Dude is a great troll. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-the-worlds-greatest-troll/

That doesnt mean he believes what he says, if you go back and look you can find contradictions like any politician.


he was very supportive of the left before Obama took office. he had a lot of left leaning beliefs and i'm sure still does like he doesn't give a crap if gays can get married. the problem is to get support on the right those other stupid things matter. he really seems to care about illegals, china, economy, big business regulations and taxes, government expenditures, etc. the other social issues he runs with for the votes.

listen to this Howard Stern interview with Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siqeXE8lzGE

[Godzuki]

They are also a hero. Being a hero is not a competition... someone who goes through a great amount of sacrifice for the betterment of themselves/country or whatever is a hero.


they're survivors to me. a hero is someone who runs into a burning building and rescues 5 school kids, or jumps on a grenade to save 5 other soldiers.

getting captured and saved doesn't make someone a hero IMO. they called the girl who survived a plane crash a hero. everyone is labeled a hero these days that survives anything tough, but its not how i'd define it.

[BigNBAfan]

they're survivors to me. a hero is someone who runs into a burning building and rescues 5 school kids, or jumps on a grenade to save 5 other soldiers.

getting captured and saved doesn't make someone a hero IMO. they called the girl who survived a plane crash a hero. everyone is labeled a hero these days that survives anything tough, but its not how i'd define it.

Umm, Mccain could have easily given up information that would probably of killed many more during vietnam... wtf are you talking about man, how are you even arguing this. This soldier kept his mouth shut and went through some dark shit for five years...

[Godzuki]

Umm, Mccain could have easily given up information that would probably of killed many more during vietnam... wtf are you talking about man, how are you even arguing this. This soldier kept his mouth shut and went through some dark shit for five years...


well you have a point there, i forgot about his supposedly not giving up info. i was just focused on the getting captured and rescued part.

[NumberSix]

its a legit point. how is everyone who gets captured a hero? then what do you call a true hero that does something outstanding?

obviously its politically incorrect and offensive to the mainstream, but its a very reasonable point he made.
It's not reasonable. John McCain is a hero and a man of immeasurable integrity. He was not only captured, but he was tortured for 5 years, and he still didn't give up information. He wouldn't put other soldiers at risk, so he continued to take the torture.

John McCain is someone I personally wouldn't vote for, because my opinions on policy are different than his. But he still is a hero.

Trump's comments about POWs was WAY out of line. However, if I was a person who would vote for Trump (which I wouldn't) this would not change my mind. He said a dumb thing. Oh well. It happens.

[navy]

he was very supportive of the left before Obama took office. he had a lot of left leaning beliefs and i'm sure still does like he doesn't give a crap if gays can get married. the problem is to get support on the right those other stupid things matter. he really seems to care about illegals, china, economy, big business regulations and taxes, government expenditures, etc. the other social issues he runs with for the votes.

listen to this Howard Stern interview with Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siqeXE8lzGE
How have you determined which things he cares about and which things he is trolling about or saying to get votes? Dude has mastered politics in his first run for any office.

Like I said his abrasive nature makes him a troll. He incites for coverage and attention not because he straight up believes these things.

It doesnt make him more genuine than the other candidates he is running against.

It's good entertainment though.

[Godzuki]

How have you determined which things he cares about and which things he is trolling about or saying to get votes? Dude has mastered politics in his first run for any office.

Like I said his abrasive nature makes him a troll. He incites for coverage and attention not because he straight up believes these things.

It doesnt make him more genuine than the other candidates he is running against.

It's good entertainment though.


did u even listen to the interview?

he was a regular on Stern for a long ass time. he speaks his mind on a lot of shit.

if u want to play that game, how do you determine anyone is being genuine on anything and not trolling? :confusedshrug:

either way he is not a legit left candidate even if he doesn't give a crap about a lot of the right social issues. since he is definitely not left on the government and world affairs.

[iTare]

He hates Mexicans. Why? They're nice people.

[NumberSix]

He hates Mexicans. Why? They're nice people.
That's racist.

[navy]

did u even listen to the interview?

he was a regular on Stern for a long ass time. he speaks his mind on a lot of shit.

if u want to play that game, how do you determine anyone is being genuine on anything and not trolling? :confusedshrug:

either way he is not a legit left candidate even if he doesn't give a crap about a lot of the right social issues. since he is definitely not left on the government and world affairs.
By trusting nobody. :coleman:

Im just enjoying the ride. We shall see a massive shit storm when republicans have to pick a nomination.

[Godzuki]

It's not reasonable. John McCain is a hero and a man of immeasurable integrity. He was not only captured, but he was tortured for 5 years, and he still didn't give up information. He wouldn't put other soldiers at risk, so he continued to take the torture.

John McCain is someone I personally wouldn't vote for, because my opinions on policy are different than his. But he still is a hero.

Trump's comments about POWs was WAY out of line. However, if I was a person who would vote for Trump (which I wouldn't) this would not change my mind. He said a dumb thing. Oh well. It happens.


i think Mccain is a very bad decision maker. he is too military involvement and world police for my tastes.

i think the fact that its so taboo to say what Trump said, and he refused to take it back, is pretty incredible :oldlol:

[code green]

i think Mccain is a very bad decision maker. he is too military involvement and world police for my tastes.

If McCain had his way, ISIS would have a hell of a lot more firepower right now. I think "a very bad decision maker" might even be understating it.

http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2014/09/18/mccain-syria-rebels.jpg

"We know who the bad guys are." :oldlol:

[dazzer87]

say what u want about the man but he doesn't fukk around. dude will sue anybody who disses him.

Mccain talked shit, Trump puts into question the whole reason Mccain is popular and credible. he has the biggest balls ever to go at Mccain's war hero status and actually makes a very good point how watered down the crowning of somebody being a hero is these days :applause:

Lindsey Graham is talking his shit last few days and Trump just straight up gives out his cell number to America:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-lindsey-graham-cell-phone/index.html

lmao :roll: :roll: :roll:

don't fukk with Trump :pimp:

fixed

[Yoda]

say what u want about the man but he doesn't fukk around. dude will scrap with anybody who disses him.

Mccain talked shit, Trump puts into question the whole reason Mccain is popular and credible. he has the biggest balls ever to go at Mccain's war hero status and actually makes a very good point how watered down the crowning of somebody being a hero is these days :applause:

Lindsey Graham is talking his shit last few days and Trump just straight up gives out his cell number to America:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-lindsey-graham-cell-phone/index.html

lmao :roll: :roll: :roll:

don't fukk with Trump :pimp:

Alpha he is not. Lying, backtracking A-hold he is.

http://time.com/3965860/jon-stewart-donald-trump-john-mccain/

[navy]

Goduzki read Donald Trump's twitter.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

Goat level trolling. I might vote for him. :roll:

[TheMan]

say what u want about the man but he doesn't fukk around. dude will scrap with anybody who disses him.

Mccain talked shit, Trump puts into question the whole reason Mccain is popular and credible. he has the biggest balls ever to go at Mccain's war hero status and actually makes a very good point how watered down the crowning of somebody being a hero is these days :applause:

Lindsey Graham is talking his shit last few days and Trump just straight up gives out his cell number to America:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-lindsey-graham-cell-phone/index.html

lmao :roll: :roll: :roll:

don't fukk with Trump :pimp:
Don't take this the wrong way but you really are retarded.

And Trump is a POS going after people who have served their country honorably...GTFO fggot :mad:

[KevinNYC]

If McCain had his way, ISIS would have a hell of a lot more firepower right now. I think "a very bad decision maker" might even be understating it.

http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2014/09/18/mccain-syria-rebels.jpg

"We know who the bad guys are." :oldlol:
Not a photo of ISIS



And to Godzuki, so being an Alpha means being an asshole?

[9erempiree]

If you look at old films of the returning prisoners you will see McCain come down the stairs looking pretty good. Not like the others that came off on stretchers.

It is a little late to be litigating John McCain. But it is not beyond reason to say he was not only not a hero he may have been a traitor. This stuff is so commonaly known I am waiting for Trump to not be able to hold his tongue if it goes much further.


Trump knows what everyone knows about McCain, he is a piece of crap who had his political career bought for him by his father in law.
If not for who his father was he would have been thrown out of the military. He was a drunk. He drank so much back then many speculated he was drunk when he was shot down.

[ThePhantomCreep]

:wtf:
If you look at old films of the returning prisoners you will see McCain come down the stairs looking pretty good. Not like the others that came off on stretchers.

It is a little late to be litigating John McCain. But it is not beyond reason to say he was not only not a hero he may have been a traitor. This stuff is so commonaly known I am waiting for Trump to not be able to hold his tongue if it goes much further.



Trump knows what everyone knows about McCain, he is a piece of crap who had his political career bought for him by his father in law.
If not for who his father was he would have been thrown out of the military. He was a drunk. He drank so much back then many speculated he was drunk when he was shot down.

McCain can't raise his arms above his head, that's how idyllic his experience at the Hanoi Hilton was. :facepalm

North Vietnam offered to release him on account of him being an admiral's and he REFUSED. He stayed in that hellhole when he could have left. That's heroic.

Trump is an imbecile and so are the dimwits taking his side on this one.

[ThePhantomCreep]

It's not as if McCain used his family connections to get out of fighting, like Trump or GWB. Flying over the skies of North Vietnam was pretty much the most dangerous place to be during the war, and the casualty rates back this up.

Lol @ "patriotic" conservatives bashing war veterans while pimping chickenhawks like Donald Trump. Dopes.

[9erempiree]

:wtf:

McCain can't raise his arms above his head, that's how idyllic his experience at the Hanoi Hilton was. :facepalm

North Vietnam offered to release him on account of him being an admiral's and he REFUSED. He stayed in that hellhole when he could have left. That's heroic.

Trump is an imbecile and so are the dimwits taking his side on this one.

You know how many times McCain crashed his plane because of his incompetence? Any other pilot would have got the ax. Since he was the admiral's son he was allowed to continue serving. He was allowed to serve because at the time, McCain's goal was to become general.

Also, his time in prison was real bad. But when given a chance to be released it was his duty to take it.

[9erempiree]

It's not as if McCain used his family connections to get out of fighting, like Trump or GWB. Flying over the skies of North Vietnam was pretty much the most dangerous place to be during the war, and the casualty rates back this up.

Lol @ "patriotic" conservatives bashing war veterans while pimping chickenhawks like Donald Trump. Dopes.

Nobody's pimping Trump because we don't consider McCain a hero. This was widely talked about before Trump even brought it up. I bet you didn't know about this till Trump mentioned it.


McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. "Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continues, "that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."

[ThePhantomCreep]

You know how many times McCain crashed his plane because of his incompetence? Any other pilot would have got the ax. Since he was the admiral's son he was allowed to continue serving.

Also, his time in prison was real bad. But when given a chance to be released it was his duty to take it.

You think the NVA wanted him released early because the better angels of their nature took over? It was a propaganda move, nothing more :roll:

The military even frowns upon accepting special treatment like this IIRC.

McCain's duty was to stay and wait his turn, and that's what he did, for 5 1/2 years. Leaving early would have bred resentment in the troops.

[9erempiree]

Here is a good read....broke down in parts because its long.

[QUOTE]
Make-Believe Maverick
A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty
BY TIM DICKINSONPosted Oct 16, 2008 7:00 PM


At Fort McNair, an army base located along the Potomac River in the nation's capital, a chance reunion takes place one day between two former POWs. It's the spring of 1974, and Navy commander John Sidney McCain III has returned home from the experience in Hanoi that, according to legend, transformed him from a callow and reckless youth into a serious man of patriotism and purpose. Walking along the grounds at Fort McNair, McCain runs into John Dramesi, an Air Force lieutenant colonel who was also imprisoned and tortured in Vietnam.

McCain is studying at the National War College, a prestigious graduate program he had to pull strings with the Secretary of the Navy to get into. Dramesi is enrolled, on his own merit, at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces in the building next door.

There's a distance between the two men that belies their shared experience in North Vietnam

[9erempiree]

Here's the story about McCain trying to do a stunt in Spain. Hit the power lines and caused a blackout in Spain.:lol

Usually you crash once, they revoke your duties as a pilot. He crashed many times.

I cannot make this crap up.


BOTTOM GUN

In the cockpit, McCain was not a top gun, or even a middling gun. He took little interest in his flight manuals; he had other priorities.

"I enjoyed the off-duty life of a Navy flier more than I enjoyed the actual flying," McCain writes. "I drove a Corvette, dated a lot, spent all my free hours at bars and beach parties." McCain chased a lot of tail. He hit the dog track. Developed a taste for poker and dice. He picked up models when he could, screwed a stripper when he couldn't.

In the air, the hard-partying McCain had a knack for stalling out his planes in midflight. He was still in training, in Texas, when he crashed his first plane into Corpus Christi Bay during a routine practice landing. The plane stalled, and McCain was knocked cold on impact. When he came to, the plane was underwater, and he had to swim to the surface to be rescued. Some might take such a near-death experience as a wake-up call: McCain took some painkillers and a nap, and then went out carousing that night.

Off duty on his Mediterranean tours, McCain frequented the casinos of Monte Carlo, cultivating his taste for what he calls the "addictive" game of craps. McCain's thrill-seeking carried over into his day job. Flying over the south of Spain one day, he decided to deviate from his flight plan. Rocketing along mere feet above the ground, his plane sliced through a power line. His self-described "daredevil clowning" plunged much of the area into a blackout.

That should have been the end of McCain's flying career. "In the Navy, if you crashed one airplane, nine times out of 10 you would lose your wings," says Butler, who, like his former classmate, was shot down and taken prisoner in North Vietnam. Spark "a small international incident" like McCain had? Any other pilot would have "found themselves as the deck officer on a destroyer someplace in a hurry," says Butler.

"But, God, he had family pull. He was directly related to the CEO — you know?"

McCain was undeterred by the crashes. Nearly a decade out of the academy, his career adrift, he decided he wanted to fly combat in Vietnam. His motivation wasn't to contain communism or put his country first. It was the only way he could think of to earn the respect of the man he calls his "distant, inscrutable patriarch." He needed to secure a command post in the Navy — and to do that, his career needed the jump-start that only a creditable war record could provide.

As he would so many times in his career, McCain pulled strings to get ahead. After a game of tennis, McCain prevailed upon the undersecretary of the Navy that he was ready for Vietnam, despite his abysmal flight record. Sure enough, McCain was soon transferred to McCain Field — an air base in Meridian, Mississippi, named after his grandfather — to train for a post on the carrier USS Forrestal.

With a close friend at the base, an alcoholic Marine captain, McCain formed the "Key Fess Yacht Club," which quickly became infamous for hosting toga parties in the officers' quarters and bringing bands down from Memphis to attract loose women to the base. Showing his usual knack for promotion, McCain rose from "vice commodore" to "commodore" of the club.

In 1964, while still at the base, McCain began a serious romance with Carol Shepp, a vivacious former model who had just divorced one of his classmates from Annapolis. Commandeering a Navy plane, McCain spent most weekends flying from Meridian to Philadelphia for their dates. They married the following summer.

That December, McCain crashed again. Flying back from Philadelphia, where he had joined in the reverie of the Army-Navy football game, McCain stalled while coming in for a refueling stop in Norfolk, Virginia. This time he managed to bail out at 1,000 feet. As his parachute deployed, his plane thundered into the trees below.

By now, however, McCain's flying privileges were virtually irrevocable — and he knew it. On one of his runs at McCain Field, when ground control put him in a holding pattern, the lieutenant commander once again pulled his family's rank. "Let me land," McCain demanded over his radio, "or I'll take my field and go home!"

[ThePhantomCreep]

Here's the story about McCain trying to do a stunt in Spain. Hit the power lines and caused a blackout in Spain.:lol

Usually you crash once, they revoke your duties as a pilot. He crashed many times.

I cannot make this crap up.

Relevance to his time spent as a POW? :confusedshrug:

No one's claiming he was Chuck Yeager in the cockpit, genius.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump is just a distraction to keep people from noticing the Republicans are gonna nominate another Bush.

[9erempiree]

Relevance to his time spent as a POW? :confusedshrug:

No one's claiming he was Chuck Yeager in the cockpit, genius.

It's relevant because he received special treatment in the military due to his namesake and it comes as no surprise that he is introduced as a hero to the public. Most importantly it explains his character as a person. As mentioned in the excerpts, he is the only one that is made out to be some hero when there were other POW's and soldiers more deserving.

Lets not forget him divorcing his wife when she was disfigured in an accident. Goes on to marry a rich woman because her father was rich. That money was used to help fund his campaign.

[DCL]

trump is probably the biggest troll candidate i've seen running for anything

[Stempel, HERB]

Did this... virgin Asian mechanic druglord.. actually LOOK UP to the mentally insane retard who took his father's cash and actually LOST everything.

Like a ladyboybug praising the Dung beetle.

Whatever, they'll both be squashed.