Rick Carlisle thinks Lebron is up there with Jordan

[Nash]

Thinks that Lebron is the only one that has the chance to make it a conversation with Jordan.

And since I know this thread will be infested with angry Kobe fans...this was after him praising Kobe, but never mentioned him up there with Jordan.

And this from a guy who played against Jordan, coached against Lebron.

This is not even the first time, a lot of NBA insiders talk this way about Lebron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUGMFuX5oNc

[sd3035]

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[JT123]

Real recognize real :bowdown:

[Beastmode88]

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[kennethgriffin]

http://sport.hir24.hu/Root/Shared/Pictures/2013/05/31/rick-carlisle.jpg


he's always been a hell of a comedian

[FKAri]

[IMG]http://sport.hir24.hu/Root/Shared/Pictures/2013/05/31/rick-carlisle.jpg[IMG]


he's always been a hell of a comedian

He produced one of the best comedies in recent years: 2011 Lakers vs Mavs.

[Megabox!]

He produced one of the best comedies in recent years: 2011 Lakers vs Mavs.
:lol :applause:

[Megabox!]

Carlisle is a smart man :applause:

[kamil]

He produced one of the best comedies in recent years: 2011 Lakers vs Mavs.

The follow up to that was pretty awesome too; 2011 Mavs. vs. Heat

[sdot_thadon]

He produced one of the best comedies in recent years: 2011 Lakers vs Mavs.
:oldlol:

[JT123]

http://sport.hir24.hu/Root/Shared/Pictures/2013/05/31/rick-carlisle.jpg


he's always been a hell of a comedian
You trying to say all white people look alike? :biggums:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He just wants to put him on a pedestal so he can say "i architected the gameplan that exposed and bodied that nikkas soul"

[JohnMax]

timestamped to save you time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUGMFuX5oNc&t=3m12s

[Nash]

timestamped to save you time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUGMFuX5oNc&t=3m12s
thank you mr tmz :applause:

[SpecialQue]

The only time Lebron will ever be "up there" with Jordan is when the Heat retire Lebron's jersey.

[Fudge]

He's right. The closest thing to Jordan EVER.

Carlisle knows his ball.

[ArbitraryWater]

He produced one of the best comedies in recent years: 2011 Lakers vs Mavs.

:roll: :roll:


Carlisle > ISH

[imnew09]

He meant his hairline is up there. Dont leave out the important context man

[nzahir]

Carlisle easily a top 5 coach rn, maybe number 2 after Pop. I think his opinion is more valued than anyone's opinion on here.
Lebron is the only guy right now who can catch MJ, i dont know/think kd can, AD maybe but idk if he will do it.

[TheMan]

Carlisle easily a top 5 coach rn, maybe number 2 after Pop. I think his opinion is more valued than anyone's opinion on here.
Lebron is the only guy right now who can catch MJ, i dont know/think kd can, AD maybe but idk if he will do it.
Catch him how? We already saw the best of LeBron, he's clearly declining, a couple of years ago you wouldn't dream of single covering him. While peak LeBron was maybe the best player since Shaq, he never reached MJ level of dominance, that's just a fact.

[Paul George 24]

He's right. The closest thing to Jordan EVER.

Carlisle knows his ball.

leflop lack of skills

[Paul George 24]

Carlisle easily a top 5 coach rn, maybe number 2 after Pop. I think his opinion is more valued than anyone's opinion on here.
Lebron is the only guy right now who can catch MJ, i dont know/think kd can, AD maybe but idk if he will do it.
2-4 :banana:

[mehyaM24]

he isn't wrong. notice that he used the words 'all around'? this is something i have been saying how long now? everybody recognizes jordan as a great scorer, ofc, but there's a reason pippen was THE lead playmaker and defensive player on the bulls. jordan didn't have the basketball 'feel' lebron has, this while coming into the nba from highschool. its innate - something you cannot teach.

realistically all lebron needs is one, maybe two titles in cleveland - and the media will be proclaiming him as goat. they're desperate as it is, but 2 titles doesn't appeal to casuals. ring counting is WOAT.

[superteamtheory]

He produced one of the best comedies in recent years: 2011 Lakers vs Mavs.

:roll: boom.

[superteamtheory]

he isn't wrong. notice that he used the words 'all around'? this is something i have been saying how long now? everybody recognizes jordan as a great scorer, ofc, but there's a reason pippen was THE lead playmaker and defensive player on the bulls. jordan didn't have the basketball 'feel' lebron has, this while coming into the nba from highschool. its innate - something you cannot teach.

realistically all lebron needs is one, maybe two titles in cleveland - and the media will be proclaiming him as goat. they're desperate as it is, but 2 titles doesn't appeal to casuals. ring counting is WOAT.

I don't think 1 is gonna do it man... he's gonna need at least 2 more prolly 3...

and then they'll still point to 6 or the stats or the defences or something...

like Gregg Propsovich said, they'll always find something with LBJ ...

Carslisle: "He's Jordan-like."
Popovich: "He's at least Magic,Larry and Duncan like."
3Ball: His teams aren't elite basketball IQ like Carslisle and Pop's teams ... but the coach / head mind of those elite teams I reference doesn't know what he's talking about ...

[TheMan]

he isn't wrong. notice that he used the words 'all around'? this is something i have been saying how long now? everybody recognizes jordan as a great scorer, ofc, but there's a reason pippen was THE lead playmaker and defensive player on the bulls. jordan didn't have the basketball 'feel' lebron has, this while coming into the nba from highschool. its innate - something you cannot teach.

realistically all lebron needs is one, maybe two titles in cleveland - and the media will be proclaiming him as goat. they're desperate as it is, but 2 titles doesn't appeal to casuals. ring counting is WOAT.
Now that he's declining, it's a real possibility that he doesn't win another title. There are a ton of variables, luck and health (his/his teammates) being a couple of them. Wilt was even more dominant (stats wise) than LeBron or MJ and he ended up with only two.

Not hating at all but winning two titles would put him barely at .500, the media can push him as GOAT but fans won't buy it. There was a window where he could've really made a mark and clearly put his name in the GOAT conversation, then after colluding, he had maybe the worst NBA Finals a superstar ever had in 2011. He redeemed himself with a back to back but he's lost his last two Fonals in a row. Let's be honest, 2/6 is not GOAT worthy no matter how you cut it. Even Wilt has a tough time getting GOAT love with those insane numbers but underwhelming Finals outcomes.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Now that he's declining, it's a real possibility that he doesn't win another title. There are a ton of variables, luck and health (his/his teammates) being a couple of them. Wilt was even more dominant (stats wise) than LeBron or MJ and he ended up with only two.

Not hating at all but winning two titles would put him barely at .500, the media can push him as GOAT but fans won't buy it. There was a window where he could've really made a mark and clearly put his name in the GOAT conversation, then after colluding, he had maybe the worst NBA Finals a superstar ever had in 2011. He redeemed himself with a back to back but he's lost his last two Fonals in a row. Let's be honest, 2/6 is not GOAT worthy no matter how you cut it. Even Wilt has a tough time getting GOAT love with those insane numbers but underwhelming Finals outcomes.


Peakwise it's VERY close, the closest I've seen from another wing player, although I think MJ was slightly better overall. I think that's what Carlisle is referring to

[sportjames23]

The only time Lebron will ever be "up there" with Jordan is when the Heat retire Lebron's jersey.


I say damn, son! :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

He produced one of the best comedies in recent years: 2011 Lakers vs Mavs.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/276/747/bf9.gif

[3ball]

:facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

I'd like to see Jordan play the way LeBron did when he helped Carlisle win a ring

[TheBigVeto]

He produced one of the best comedies in recent years: 2011 Lakers vs Mavs.


:biggums: :applause: :applause: :applause: :roll: :roll: :roll: :bowdown: :rockon:

[bdreason]

LeBron is an all-time great player. He's in the same elite group of players as Jordan.

[RightToCensor]

You really can't take ISH seriously. You'd assume this forum is filled with children with the amount of emoticons used.

[3ball]

At 1:17 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUGMFuX5oNc&t=1m17s) of the video:


Matt Winer:


What does Lebron's acumen allow you to do as a coach that you can't do with other players?


David Blatt:


"Well, I think it starts with just letting him play and not trying to put him in a box, not trying to limit...." blah blah blah

That's all I needed to hear - like, why doesn't Blatt run an offense that uses advanced strategy, like the Spurs offense, or the Warriors offense, or the Mavs offense?... Because he CAN'T - Lebron wouldn't be able to appreciate or handle the necessary changes to his style of play.

So Blatt "lets Lebron play" (the same answer an AAU coach would give) - consequently, the team has no chance of being the best team unless they have sufficient talent for force through Lebron's suboptimal style (a 10-time all-star as a third option would do quite nicely I'd imagine.. Probably enough for 2/4 with this style).

Lebron's style of play doesn't foster growth in teammates, superior strategy, or an optimal brand of basketball, so his teams never improve over the years to win a championship.. We know this because it happened before - Lebron's Cavs peaked early during his first tenure when they made the Finals in 2007, but they never improved after that.. They never reached the Finals again, despite being massive favorites (#1 seed and 60+ wins in 2009 and 2010).

[nzahir]

At 1:17 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUGMFuX5oNc&t=1m17s) of the video:


Matt Winer:


What does Lebron's acumen allow you to do as a coach that you can't do with other players?


David Blatt:


"Well, I think it starts with just letting him play and not trying to put him in a box, not trying to limit...." blah blah blah

That's all I needed to hear - like, why doesn't Blatt run an offense that uses advanced strategy, like the Spurs offense, or the Warriors offense, or the Mavs offense?... Because he CAN'T - Lebron wouldn't be able to appreciate or handle the necessary changes to his style of play.

So Blatt "lets Lebron play" (the same answer an AAU coach would give) - consequently, the team has no chance of being the best team unless they have sufficient talent for force through Lebron's suboptimal style (a 10-time all-star as a third option would do quite nicely I'd imagine.. Probably enough for 2/4 with this style).

Lebron's style of play doesn't foster growth in teammates, superior strategy, or an optimal brand of basketball, so his teams never improve over the years to win a championship.. We know this because it happened before - Lebron's Cavs peaked early during his first tenure when they made the Finals in 2007, but they never improved after that.. They never reached the Finals again, despite being massive favorites (#1 seed and 60+ wins in 2009 and 2010).
1-9

[sportjames23]

1-9


2/6 doe

[funnystuff]

2/6 doe
Lol @ using a better percentage as your come back.

[sportjames23]

Lol @ using a better percentage as your come back.

Lol @ you dickriding a dude with a sub .500 record in the Finals.

[nzahir]

2/6 doe
2/6 is better than 1/10

[Lebron23]

Somebody is getting ethered in this thread.

[Mr. Jabbar]

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[RightToCensor]

RealGM posters lurking this thread and are laughing their ass off

[bizil]

In order to have a chance to top MJ, u have to bring something different to the table. U can't out MJ MJ! That's the problem Kobe had. Kobe was too similar to MJ. Bron is the most versatile player of all time. And he's doing it in a 6'8 and 260 pound package. As great as MJ was, his versatility is PG-SF caliber. Bron's is PG-PF and even at times PG-C. He's also a pass first kind of player who CAN AVERAGE 30 points a night. Only Bron and Big O can make that claim.

Peak wise, THE ONLY THING stopping Bron from being better than MJ is the way they exploit their scoring prowess. But GOAT wise, if Bron can do these things he could pass MJ by:

30,000 points
10,000 assists
8-9,000 rebounds
Five rings
Five MVPs

I don't think Bron needs six rings to pass MJ by IF he gets those career numbers I laid out. Hell NOBODY has 20,000 points and 10,000 assists. I think Bron's career numbers could end up being more impressive than anybody in professional SPORTS HISTORY. Not just the NBA.

[3ball]

Hell NOBODY has 20,000 points and 10,000 assists.


That type of arbitrary, cumulative achievement will be less impressive than Karl Malone's 35,000 points 15,000 rebounds

Anyone can choose specific stats that only a certain player has achieved - MJ has plenty of those (only player that averaged 30 ppg and 5 apg for his career, or 30 ppg and 6 rpg for his career).

Let me know when Lebron leads league in scoring and wins DPOY in the same season.

[StephHamann]

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[StephHamann]

Rick Carlisle Dirk is Top 12 alltime
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/11/rick-carlisle-dirk-nowitzki-should-be-ranked-as-top-12-nba-player-of-all-time/

[I]

[guy]

Everyone gets caught up in the moment. Was the same thing with Kobe. Noticed how all of those talks have dwindled since Kobe's relevant career had ended. Same thing will happen with Lebron.

[Take Your Lumps]

You know it's a weak era when people reach to say stupid shit like this.

Lebron is up there with Shaq as a dominant physical force. But, MJ? Right...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_8dv-lM4ho

[TheMan]

I'd like to see Jordan play the way LeBron did when he helped Carlisle win a ring
This is the most ironic thing to me, if LeBron plays just average in the 2011 Finals instead of wetting the bed, Carlisle is ringless today :lol

[TheMan]

Everyone gets caught up in the moment. Was the same thing with Kobe. Noticed how all of those talks have dwindled since Kobe's relevant career had ended. Same thing will happen with Lebron.
/thread

[pegasus]

The only time Lebron will ever be "up there" with Jordan is when the Heat retire Lebron's jersey.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[mehyaM24]

Now that he's declining, it's a real possibility that he doesn't win another title. There are a ton of variables, luck and health (his/his teammates) being a couple of them. Wilt was even more dominant (stats wise) than LeBron or MJ and he ended up with only two.

nearly a 40 point triple-double in the finals with arguably the worst championship help in nba history doesn't sound like much of a decline to me.
sure he's lost some athleticism, but his reign as best player is secured for another 2-3 years AT LEAST.

-highest PER and rapm combination in the playoffs

what does that mean? he's still arguably the most efficient and carries the most impact of any player in the game today. anthony davis is pretty close, but i have him going down as one of the greatest anyway.

with the acquisitions and health (hopefully) not being of any concern, i could foresee championships in cleveland. lebron finally has a team around him that is clearly formidable and equipped to compete with anybody out west.

this is why i don't think rings are that big of a deal. lebron's play has shown everyone that he's absolute one of the best players in history - that his peak (2009) was jordan-esque from a scoring perspective, and versatile like oscar robertson.

[TheMan]

nearly a 40 point triple-double in the finals with arguably the worst championship help in nba history doesn't sound like much of a decline to me.
sure he's lost some athleticism, but his reign as best player is secured for another 2-3 years AT LEAST.

-highest PER and rapm combination in the playoffs

what does that mean? he's still arguably the most efficient and carries the most impact of any player in the game today. anthony davis is pretty close, but i have him going down as one of the greatest anyway.

with the acquisitions and health (hopefully) not being of any concern, i could foresee championships in cleveland. lebron finally has a team around him that is clearly formidable and equipped to compete with anybody out west.

this is why i don't think rings are that big of a deal. lebron's play has shown everyone that he's absolute one of the best players in history - that his peak (2009) was jordan-esque from a scoring perspective, and versatile like oscar robertson.
2009 was a long time ago (by NBA standards), he clearly is declining, you wouldn't dream of single covering 2009 LeBron. The stats he put up in these last Finals were a result of the ton of shots he took, what 35 shots to score 37 or something like that? When others do that, it's called chucking according to LeStans, when LeBron does it, they call it beasting :rolleyes:

I would love to see Cleveland win a ring, believe me it wouldn't bother me but LBJ is declining, it is absolutely no guarantee LBJ ends up with more rings considering how deep the West is.

[KirbyPls]

I don't think 1 is gonna do it man... he's gonna need at least 2 more prolly 3...

and then they'll still point to 6 or the stats or the defences or something...

like Gregg Propsovich said, they'll always find something with LBJ ...

Carslisle: "He's Jordan-like."
Popovich: "He's at least Magic,Larry and Duncan like."
3Ball: His teams aren't elite basketball IQ like Carslisle and Pop's teams ... but the coach / head mind of those elite teams I reference doesn't know what he's talking about ...

distilled ether, keep away from flames.

[branslowski]

[QUOTE=StephHamann]Rick Carlisle Dirk is Top 12 alltime
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/11/rick-carlisle-dirk-nowitzki-should-be-ranked-as-top-12-nba-player-of-all-time/

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[mehyaM24]

2009 was a long time ago (by NBA standards), he clearly is declining, you wouldn't dream of single covering 2009 LeBron. The stats he put up in these last Finals were a result of the ton of shots he took, what 35 shots to score 37 or something like that? When others do that, it's called chucking according to LeStans, when LeBron does it, they call it beasting :rolleyes:

he wasn't very efficient, but he also averaged ~9 assists and brought down ton of boards. why ignore everything that isn't scoring? truth is, lebron didn't have anybody that could help gs' defense stay honest. even with just kyrie, cleveland wins that series and lebron would have his 3rd finals mvp in his 5th straight finals appearance. that alone would have garnered goat talks from the media.


I would love to see Cleveland win a ring, believe me it wouldn't bother me but LBJ is declining, it is absolutely no guarantee LBJ ends up with more rings considering how deep the West is.

one ring in cleveland is 2-3 in bigger markets. i have cleveland winning next year, so i'm ready for the narrative shift. :cheers:

[TheMan]

he wasn't very efficient, but he also averaged ~9 assists and brought down ton of boards. why ignore everything that isn't scoring? truth is, lebron didn't have anybody that could help gs' defense stay honest. even with just kyrie, cleveland wins that series and lebron would have his 3rd finals mvp in his 5th straight finals appearance. that alone would have garnered goat talks from the media.



one ring in cleveland is 2-3 in bigger markets. i have cleveland winning next year, so i'm ready for the narrative shift. :cheers:
Meh, even if he and Cleveland comes up short, you'll still be here propping Bran up and throwing shade at MJ :rolleyes:

[mehyaM24]

Meh, even if he and Cleveland comes up short, you'll still be here propping Bran up

i don't need to "prop" lebron up. i rarely even make threads about him. :oldlol:

informative and prominent people in the nba, like carlisle, do all the talking for me.