Florida teacher sentenced to 22 years in prison for sex with student

[Patrick Chewing]

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/florida-teacher-who-had-sex-three-teens-sentenced-/nmq2Z/

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/600/img/photos/2014/04/25/53/0d/Raw_Teacher_1st_Appearance.jpg


In hundreds of pages of interviews with those closest to the case, the paperwork details the agony of the teen’s mother when she became aware of the relationship.

In one transcript of her interview with investigators, the mother said she confronted Fichter about her relationship with her son.

The mother reportedly asked, “What does a 17-year-old have for you?”

I'm sorry, but no mother should be ****-blocking at 17 years of age. Your son is about to be 18 and he's banging a hottie.

And he was banging her multiple times. This is a travesty! Release her at once!

[DeuceWallaces]

Seems a bit excessive for three 17 year olds.

[DCL]

where were these bitches when i was in high school?

[UK2K]

God damn.

[aj1987]

where were these bitches when i was in high school?
Staying away from you.

[NumberSix]

Teacher's unions, amiright?

[Akrazotile]

http://images.mic.com/pt6f1zawt1wbbkzrydugyeekwadd4rhrs0kpajqv9wasnwnczg hfqdcfitz0qk0x.jpg

[9erempiree]

I remember having a hot PE teacher in my senior year in high school. She was fresh out of college. Sadly I made her cry because she wanted to give us 3 weeks of aerobics but I did win the basketball tournament for my class though. I told her she didn't know what she was doing.

[Patrick Chewing]

Maybe we need to revisit age of consent laws here in this country. If she lived one state away, she'd be a free woman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

[Akrazotile]

I remember having a hot PE teacher in my senior year in high school. She was fresh out of college. Sadly I made her cry because she wanted to give us 3 weeks of aerobics but I did win the basketball tournament for my class though. I told her she didn't know what she was doing.



http://i.imgur.com/q3iCWqE.gif

[TheMan]

where were these bitches when i was in high school?
This

[Richie2k6]

That's ****ed up, he was close enough to 18

[West-Side]

What a travesty.
22 years yet pedophiles get less? :no:

Where do those kids live? I'm about to go kick their ass so I can join her for the next 22 years. :rockon:

[Bless Mathews]

I remember having a hot PE teacher in my senior year in high school. She was fresh out of college. Sadly I made her cry because she wanted to give us 3 weeks of aerobics but I did win the basketball tournament for my class though. I told her she didn't know what she was doing.


Easy to remember those details cus it was 3 years ago.


Living with daddy bitch.

[DeuceWallaces]

I remember having a hot PE teacher in my senior year in high school. She was fresh out of college. Sadly I made her cry because she wanted to give us 3 weeks of aerobics but I did win the basketball tournament for my class though. I told her she didn't know what she was doing.

Jesus, where's the cringe-worthy thread when you need it.

[West-Side]

I remember having a hot PE teacher in my senior year in high school. She was fresh out of college. Sadly I made her cry because she wanted to give us 3 weeks of aerobics but I did win the basketball tournament for my class though. I told her she didn't know what she was doing.

What?

[9erempiree]

Student athletes should not be doing aerobics.

[DCL]

she was a freebie too... didn't even need to take her ass out to pizza or to the movies. didn't need to spend any money to get in her pants.

and they got blow jobs during lunch period.

if you get this opportunity in high school, be a wise boy and simply STFU. :oldlol:

[West-Side]

Student athletes should not be doing aerobics.

How did you make her cry? That's the part that confused me a little.

[DeuceWallaces]

I didn't read about the specifics, but it's quite possible a couple of them did not want to have sex with her and were manipulated and raped. I know a bunch of internet faux-alphas would say otherwise, but I'm not sure I would have wanted to **** my teachers in high school.

[dude77]

fkd some guys who are 17 .. 22 yrs in prison ?

http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2014/11/14/635515967163120478318194316_michaelscott.gif

[StephHamann]

Are the USA any better than ISIS?

God damn, prude religious country.

[~primetime~]

in Texas 17 is -adult-

I would REALLY like to know if any of these guys have actually gone through any pain and suffering over fcking her.

Because at first glance 22 years sounds ridiculous

[~primetime~]

I didn't read about the specifics, but it's quite possible a couple of them did not want to have sex with her and were manipulated and raped. I know a bunch of internet faux-alphas would say otherwise, but I'm not sure I would have wanted to **** my teachers in high school.
and how is that possible?...she forced viagra down their throats and tied them down?


I mean I know women have 'raped' men before...but I am not sure how that works, seems like it would be extremely difficult

[NumberSix]

and how is that possible?...she forced viagra down their throats and tied them down?


I mean I know women have 'raped' men before...but I am not sure how that works, seems like it would be extremely difficult
No, he's actually exactly right about that. In this situation there actually is a power dynamic where one party has the ability to pressure the other.

[DeuceWallaces]

and how is that possible?...she forced viagra down their throats and tied them down?


I mean I know women have 'raped' men before...but I am not sure how that works, seems like it would be extremely difficult

You really can't conceive of one possible way how a teacher could manipulate a male student into force-able sex. Really? That's beyond your mental capacity?

[West-Side]

You really can't conceive of one possible way how a teacher could manipulate a male student into force-able sex. Really? That's beyond your mental capacity?

Yeah, by not wearing underwear one day and spreading her legs while dropping her pencil.

[UK2K]

Maybe we need to revisit age of consent laws here in this country. If she lived one state away, she'd be a free woman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

Wow.

[DeuceWallaces]

Oh, and my first post was that it seemed excessive, but without the fine details I'm just wondering what actually happened. Repeatedly manipulating underage students into forceable sex could warrant some stiff penalties.

[UK2K]

I didn't read about the specifics, but it's quite possible a couple of them did not want to have sex with her and were manipulated and raped. I know a bunch of internet faux-alphas would say otherwise, but I'm not sure I would have wanted to **** my teachers in high school.

I would if they looked like that

[~primetime~]

You really can't conceive of one possible way how a teacher could manipulate a male student into force-able sex. Really? That's beyond your mental capacity?

The only way possible is if they are drugged unconscious and maintain an erection...there is no way in hell this woman held them down against their will and fcked them while they are trying to break free.

for me personally, if I don't want to have sex, I'm not having sex and there is nothing anyone can do about it...

[Le Shaqtus]

"Victims"

[DeuceWallaces]

I would if they looked like that

Well yeah, you're from Eastern Kentucky; she's like a 25 out of 10.

[Richie2k6]

The only way possible is if they are drugged unconscious and maintain an erection...there is no way in hell this woman held them down against their will and fcked them while they are trying to break free.

for me personally, if I don't want to have sex, I'm not having sex and there is nothing anyone can do about it...
There's way more to sexually coercing someone than just overpowering them physically dude

[UK2K]

Well yeah, you're from Eastern Kentucky; she's like a 25 out of 10.

you wouldn't hit that?

Are you a pfagot?

[dude77]

they would meet a bunch of times early in the morning before school to fk .. I'm sure this was a major thrill for them .. there's no way they were not enjoying this ... totally victimless 'crime' .. 22 yrs .. file it under shit that makes no fkn sense .. all of us would've been on that if that happened .. even if just for the thrill of it

[Dbrog]

The only way possible is if they are drugged unconscious and maintain an erection...there is no way in hell this woman held them down against their will and fcked them while they are trying to break free.

for me personally, if I don't want to have sex, I'm not having sex and there is nothing anyone can do about it...

You do realize males have assholes. This teacher probably did...

Stop thinking rape can only be dick-*****

Not to mention, plenty of women get wet when they are raped...doesn't mean they like that shit.

[UK2K]

they would meet a bunch of times early in the morning before school to fk .. I'm sure this was a major thrill for them .. there's no way they were not enjoying this ... totally victimless 'crime' .. 22 yrs .. file it under shit that makes no fkn sense .. all of us would've been on that shit if that happened .. even if just for the thrill of it

Im sure the boys were so distraught as this chick was sucking their mini peni.

Oh the horror!

[~primetime~]

You do realize males have assholes. This teacher probably did...

Stop thinking rape can only be dick-*****
oh so she fcked them all in the ass?

[DeuceWallaces]

The only way possible is if they are drugged unconscious and maintain an erection...there is no way in hell this woman held them down against their will and fcked them while they are trying to break free.

for me personally, if I don't want to have sex, I'm not having sex and there is nothing anyone can do about it...

Somehow, after all these years, your stupidity still seems to amaze me.

[~primetime~]

Somehow, after all these years, your stupidity still seems to amaze me.
says the guy who thinks she 'raped' them...lol

was she even charged with rape?

[~primetime~]

there was no rape here (obviously)...she slept with one of them '20-30' times

[Millslapped]

there was no rape here (obviously)...she slept with one of them '20-30' times
Switch genders, do you think the same?

[GIF REACTION]

This sounds like the mother caught word of it and was salty

[GatorKid117]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikd0ZYQoDko

[~primetime~]

Switch genders, do you think the same?
20-30 times yes I probably would

but I do not feel like it IS the same situation switched...there SHOULD be a double standard with this IMO

[Richie2k6]

there was no rape here (obviously)...she slept with one of them '20-30' times
So the first few times couldn't have been rape before it became a regular occurence?

That's like saying, "the kid has been giving his lunch money to that other kid every single day for weeks, therefore there's no way there could be any bullying going on here"...

:facepalm

[DeuceWallaces]

So the first few times couldn't have been rape before it became a regular occurence?

That's like saying, "the kid has been giving his lunch money to that other kid every single day for weeks, therefore there's no way there could be any bullying going on here"...

:facepalm

I don't think PT's brain works on that level.

[GIF REACTION]

Let's be real. She isn't a predator. She is also the one that is risking it all. The 17 year olds have ALL the leverage in this affair. If they didn't like it they would have fried her ass earlier.

[Millslapped]

20-30 times yes I probably would

but I do not feel like it IS the same situation switched...there SHOULD be a double standard with this IMO
Why?

[dude77]

So the first few times couldn't have been rape before it became a regular occurence?

That's like saying, "the kid has been giving his lunch money to that other kid every single day for weeks, therefore there's no way there could be any bullying going on here"...

:facepalm

you really believe she was 'raping' them ? :facepalm

[Richie2k6]

you really believe she was 'raping' them ? :facepalm
You missed the point

[~primetime~]

So the first few times couldn't have been rape before it became a regular occurence?

That's like saying, "the kid has been giving his lunch money to that other kid every single day for weeks, therefore there's no way there could be any bullying going on here"...

:facepalm
To me if they showed up with an erection over and over that says they WANTED to have sex...If this was really some torturous act they were being forced into I don't think erections would be easy to maintain.

How common is it for women to be charged with raping men? I have not looked but that has to be extremely rare

[Millslapped]

To me if they showed up with an erection over and over that says they WANTED to have sex...If this was really some torturous act they were being forced into I don't think erections would be easy to maintain.

How common is it for women to be charged with raping men? I have not looked but that has to be extremely rare
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_ are_sexually_assaulted.html

[dude77]

also, if I was 12-13 I'd be pissed off at guys like these for not being able to keep this a secret .. they're fking shit up for them when they get to hs .. teachers aren't going to be as bold to try this shit with them

[dude77]

You missed the point

I got your point .. I'm just thinking if some of you really believe she may have been raping them

[KendrickPerkins]

22 years for making a young boy happy...

But I'm glad to see it happen.

No more double standards. Pedophillia is pedophillia. PERIOD.

[dude77]

22 years for making a young boy happy...

But I'm glad to see it happen.

No more double standards. Pedophillia is pedophillia. PERIOD.

:banghead: look up pedophilia dude

[West-Side]

So the first few times couldn't have been rape before it became a regular occurence?

That's like saying, "the kid has been giving his lunch money to that other kid every single day for weeks, therefore there's no way there could be any bullying going on here"...

:facepalm

You guys can't be serious.
We're talking about a 17 year old male here; please elaborate on how you think she used coercion to have sex with him?

What you think she said to them lick my ***** or I'll give you an F on the test? Better question though; if this was "rape", why would the teen continuously text her?

I'm not an expert on what constitutes rape, but fill me in. (no pun intended, LOL!)

[~primetime~]

Why?
A couple reasons...first off men are the penetrators and can cause extreme physical damage to young women, can get them pregnant too. Second I feel like three 17 year old boys are much more likely to through life unfazed by this than three young women who could have serious mental suffering over this.

I do not feel like we should pretend the two different sexes are the same when it comes to...sex

[GIF REACTION]

It would be stupid for us to not observe the risks that were involved in this

Was there really ANY risk for the teenager? I struggle to see how they got forced in this sexual relationship when the teacher is the one that stands to lose it all.

[iamgine]

Naw it ain't rape in the sense of being forced.

Might be raped in the sense of being seduced and manipulated.

[Richie2k6]

I got your point .. I'm just thinking if some of you really believe she may have been raping them
Whether or not I think she was is irrelevant, my simple point is she could have been or she could not have been. We simply don't know. Primetime definitively saying "there was no rape" as if it's an impossible thing that could never have happened is dumb. The only people who the nitty gritty details know are the teacher and the boys. But no matter what, it's statutory rape so technically she's a rapist regardless. But whether she physically or psychologically coerced them into sex that they weren't fully comfortable with is up in the air. Ask the people in the backseat of the truck, I dunno what she did. But don't tell me she never did just because she's a woman and just because it happened 20-30 times. See my bullying example above

Maybe she did, maybe she didn't

[KendrickPerkins]

:banghead: look up pedophilia dude
17 is considered a child.

Would this be ok if a guy was having sex with his 17 year old STUDENT?

Somehow you think this is ok.

[West-Side]

Naw it ain't rape in the sense of being forced.

Might be raped in the sense of being seduced and manipulated.

I honestly want to know what this means and how it works.
Are you saying that because she knew he was underage she should have never had sex with him; therefore she deserves the 22 years?

To me rape is actually physically making someone have sex with your or controlling their will via drugs to physically assault someone.

I don't understand how you can "manipulate" or "seduce" someone and call it rape. Even if you black mail someone to have sex; is that rape? Or is that simply black mail?

[LJJ]

You know, one guy's mother found out and she cockblocks him, I can buy it if it was just the one guy. In general a 17 year old having sex with someone really isn't going to bother me much, male or female. If you are a normal healthy person, at that age you know what you want sexually.

But then with the lady being a teacher and two other victims stepped forward, to me it says there's something fishy going on. All the people saying "17 year old boy abused.....yeah right". Well you need to flip it. What guy who had fun banging this chick at age 17 would step forward as a victim? Unless there is something wrong that went down.

[GIF REACTION]

Naw it ain't rape in the sense of being forced.

Might be raped in the sense of being seduced and manipulated.
Exactly

I don't like how people try to bend what rape is to fit their case. Rape to me is simply the act of being forced into sex without one's consent.

[GIF REACTION]

Women can seemingly retroactively decide whether it was rape or not. That's the major problem.

[~primetime~]

Whether or not I think she was is irrelevant, my simple point is she could have been or she could not have been. We simply don't know. Primetime definitively saying "there was no rape" as if it's an impossible thing that could never have happened is dumb. The only people who the nitty gritty details know are the teacher and the boys. But no matter what, it's statutory rape so technically she's a rapist regardless. But whether she physically or psychologically coerced them into sex that they weren't fully comfortable with is up in the air. Ask the people in the backseat of the truck, I dunno what she did. But don't tell me she never did just because she's a woman and just because it happened 20-30 times. See my bullying example above

Maybe she did, maybe she didn't
pretty sure she is just being charged with sex with a minor and NOT rape...sigh

lettuce b reality here ffs...there was no 'rape'

[Richie2k6]

You guys can't be serious.
We're talking about a 17 year old male here; please elaborate on how you think she used coercion to have sex with him?

What you think she said to them lick my ***** or I'll give you an F on the test? Better question though; if this was "rape", why would the teen continuously text her?

I'm not an expert on what constitutes rape, but fill me in. (no pun intended, LOL!)
Didn't read the whole report so didn't know the teen was texting her. But regardless, lol no, lick my ***** or get an F is highly unlikely

Everybody sees "17 year old male" and immediately jumps to assuming his initial reaction was "OMG BOOBS YA LETS F*CK MRS. TEACHER, YA YA IM 17 AND HORNY YA LETS DO IT IDC ABOUT LAWS OR MORALS IM A CRAZY ANIMAL LETS F*CK", as if that's how 100% of 17 year old's brains work

:roll:

[DCL]

i don't know why she's going to jail.

this woman should be getting some type of community service award instead.

[GIF REACTION]

Your trying to prove your point by parodying stereotypes....

You are missing the LOGIC of the events

The teacher had ALL the risk. The students involved had ALL the power in this scenario. And knowing that this went on for quite some time... We can assume that those students were enjoying the benefits of the continued relationship. That's consent. No rape there.

[Millslapped]

A couple reasons...first off men are the penetrators and can cause extreme physical damage to young women, can get them pregnant too. Second I feel like three 17 year old boys are much more likely to through life unfazed by this than three young women who could have serious mental suffering over this.

I do not feel like we should pretend the two different sexes are the same when it comes to...sex
So you don't think women should get the same punishment as men for the same crime? What if there's no physical damage to a girl when she's raped? Do you think women don't enjoy sex? Do you think male rape victims don't suffer mentally?
Under your stupid reasoning there's so many other areas to consider, and I say that as someone who thinks the AoC should be significantly lowered.

[West-Side]

Didn't read the whole report so didn't know the teen was texting her. But regardless, lol no, lick my ***** or get an F is highly unlikely

Everybody sees "17 year old male" and immediately jumps to assuming his initial reaction was "OMG BOOBS YA LETS F*CK MRS. TEACHER, YA YA IM 17 AND HORNY YA LETS DO IT IDC ABOUT LAWS OR MORALS IM A CRAZY ANIMAL LETS F*CK", as if that's how 100% of 17 year old's brains work

:roll:

Three students had sex with her though.
I mean I'd really like to know what she got 22 years for. I hate how the law clouds our own personal judgement these days. This ruling makes no damn sense to me. This "relationship" actually lasted for months. In the report, it said the teacher robbed her legs against the student and since then they started texting. The relationship was "secret" in nature and she used fictitious names while texting him. So basically, the male also looked at this as a relationship.

This story doesn't make sense and I don't really see how she's a rapist at all based on the reports I've read.

I mean if you want to find her guilty for having sex with underage students; than yeah, she's totally guilty. Not sure if 22 years is fair.

I read a report about a pedophile from Quebec City who raped girls from ages of 7 to 9, get 12 years behind bar.

Law is ****ing stupid.

[Millslapped]

Your trying to prove your point by parodying stereotypes....

You are missing the LOGIC of the events

The teacher had ALL the risk. The students involved had ALL the power in this scenario. And knowing that this went on for quite some time... We can assume that those students were enjoying the benefits of the continued relationship. That's consent. No rape there.
Reverse genders, do you feel the same way?

[Richie2k6]

I honestly want to know what this means and how it works.
Are you saying that because she knew he was underage she should have never had sex with him; therefore she deserves the 22 years?

To me rape is actually physically making someone have sex with your or controlling their will via drugs to physically assault someone.

I don't understand how you can "manipulate" or "seduce" someone and call it rape. Even if you black mail someone to have sex; is that rape? Or is that simply black mail?

Dictionary.com


noun
1.
unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the ******, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.


Oxford


[MASS NOUN]
1. The crime, typically committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with the offender against their will:

:confusedshrug:

Doesn't always specify physical dominance or violence. Just took a class on this, the technicalities and personal opinions towards what is and isn't considered rape, pretty interesting that in 2015 it's still hard to find a definitive universal answer. But you guys are really downplaying the effect of verbal and psychological coercing

[Richie2k6]

Three students had sex with her though.
I mean I'd really like to know what she got 22 years for. I hate how the law clouds our own personal judgement these days. This ruling makes no damn sense to me. This "relationship" actually lasted for months. In the report, it said the teacher robbed her legs against the student and since then they started texting. The relationship was "secret" in nature and she used fictitious names while texting him. So basically, the male also looked at this as a relationship.

This story doesn't make sense and I don't really see how she's a rapist at all based on the reports I've read.

I mean if you want to find her guilty for having sex with underage students; than yeah, she's totally guilty. Not sure if 22 years is fair.

I read a report about a pedophile from Quebec City who raped girls from ages of 7 to 9, get 12 years behind bar.

Law is ****ing stupid.
I feel you on how ****ed up the law and sentencing can be, don't even get me started

[GIF REACTION]

I see the problem

Women, because they receive in the act of sex... Seemingly have a retroactive ability to claim rape, waiving consent around like it isn't a big deal in the court of law.

[iamgine]

I honestly want to know what this means and how it works.
Are you saying that because she knew he was underage she should have never had sex with him; therefore she deserves the 22 years?

To me rape is actually physically making someone have sex with your or controlling their will via drugs to physically assault someone.

I don't understand how you can "manipulate" or "seduce" someone and call it rape. Even if you black mail someone to have sex; is that rape? Or is that simply black mail?
Depends how you define rape. Maybe I can convince or seduce a 10 yrs old girl to willingly have sex with me through manipulating her mind, is that...rape? Or if I'm a woman, a 10 years old boy. Many people would say so.

Why not? You can call that rape via blackmail. Just like rape via physical harm, or rape via roofie.

It all just depends on how you define rape.

[West-Side]

Dictionary.com



Oxford


:confusedshrug:

Doesn't always specify physical dominance or violence. Just took a class on this, the technicalities and personal opinions towards what is and isn't considered rape, pretty interesting that in 2015 it's still hard to find a definitive universal answer. But you guys are really downplaying the effect of verbal and psychological coercing

Thanks bro.
The "without consent" is what I'm getting at though.
Based on all the evidence I've read, I just don't understand how the male did not consent to a sexual encounter.

He was texting her all the time; and she was using a fictitious name. So obviously she knew what she was doing was wrong and didn't want to get caught; and I'm pretty sure the male knew that as well.

The most interesting part to me is the fact that she had sex with 2 other students (3 in total). To me that either means; 1) she somehow did coerce them to having sex with her or 2) she was a slut, and the students probably told other friends and that's how it escalated.

I think it's more likely #2 because in the report; the two started texting right after allegedly her legged robbed against his. To me that screams innocent flirting.

[~primetime~]

So you don't think women should get the same punishment as men for the same crime? What if there's no physical damage to a girl when she's raped? Do you think women don't enjoy sex? Do you think male rape victims don't suffer mentally?
Under your stupid reasoning there's so many other areas to consider, and I say that as someone who thinks the AoC should be significantly lowered.
I'll say this, in general I think a 30 year old female having sex with a 17 year old male is less damaging than a 30 year old male having sex with a 17 year old female.

I feel like males and females are DIFFERENT when it comes to sex...we are literally different sexes



why are we even talking about rape in here though...there was no rape

[Patrick Chewing]

There has to be an appeal on this. The legal consent age in Georgia is 16.

She's getting 22 years in Florida for what she could have legally done in Georgia. How the hell is that fair?



I'm gonna write to her.

[GIF REACTION]

That's the downfall of the American state jurisdiction.

[KendrickPerkins]

There has to be an appeal on this. The legal consent age in Georgia is 16.

She's getting 22 years in Florida for what she could have legally done in Georgia. How the hell is that fair?



I'm gonna write to her.
Damn, good point.

Next time I get caught with pot I'll just say it's legal in Washington and claim its unfair to send me to prison

:rockon:

[UK2K]

Depends how you define rape. Maybe I can convince or seduce a 10 yrs old girl to willingly have sex with me through manipulating her mind, is that...rape? Or if I'm a woman, a 10 years old boy. Many people would say so.

Why not? You can call that rape via blackmail. Just like rape via physical harm, or rape via roofie.

It all just depends on how you define rape.

Why use 10? Why not 17?

[West-Side]

Depends how you define rape. Maybe I can convince or seduce a 10 yrs old girl to willingly have sex with me through manipulating her mind, is that...rape? Or if I'm a woman, a 10 years old boy. Many people would say so.

Why not? You can call that rape via blackmail. Just like rape via physical harm, or rape via roofie.

It all just depends on how you define rape.

Yes, that makes sense.
But there's a reason we use the term "underage".
Even though the law specifies it as 18 (or 21 in other regions of the world), I beg to differ. I think a 10 year old could easily be manipulated into having sex and she/he might not know better (which constitutes rape). But a 17 year old male? That's far harder to believe; unless he's perhaps handicap.

In large part, that's why we have precedence in court. Laws should not be painted black or white; there's always gray area. This specific incident screams gray area to me. There must be details that aren't disclosed because based on what I've read; this lady should not serve more than like 4/5 years plus community service. Heck, revoking her teaching license might have done justice.

But this woman's life is over now because she found a 17 year old male attractive. I see so many 35 year old woman dating 19 year old males; is that any different? Why? Because the male is 2 years older? Or because it's the "law"?

[RidonKs]

I'm gonna write to her.
here's a good place to start

http://trinketsandtees.com/webpics/imgay.jpg

[Richie2k6]

Thanks bro.
The "without consent" is what I'm getting at though.
Based on all the evidence I've read, I just don't understand how the male did not consent to a sexual encounter.

He was texting her all the time; and she was using a fictitious name. So obviously she knew what she was doing was wrong and didn't want to get caught; and I'm pretty sure the male knew that as well.

The most interesting part to me is the fact that she had sex with 2 other students (3 in total). To me that either means; 1) she somehow did coerce them to having sex with her or 2) she was a slut, and the students probably told other friends and that's how it escalated.

I think it's more likely #2 because in the report; the two started texting right after allegedly her legged robbed against his. To me that screams innocent flirting.
Well in any event, she said she loved him and wanted to be with him, so that right there might indicate he wanted it with 100% consent. It's one of those "who knows" scenarios. Maybe he was 100% into it and "in love" with her too, or maybe she has mental issues and their texting conversations were 90% her effort and he was hardly reciprocating. Maybe it was easy to coerce him because he's a chubby virgin with acne who's never even grabbed a pair of tits before, so he's an easy target to mentally persuade into unconsented sex lol. A reach, I know, but all I'm saying is the only people who know everything is them. If we could read their text logs for months I'm sure this would be a lot easier to analyze. There's tons of details missing, all we can do is connect the broken dots and make educated guesses really

But hey, the almighty law made its decision. If his birthday is August 1 and she ****s him on July 25th, it's illegal. If she ****s him at 12:01am on August 1st it's cool, so says the law. lol smh

[KendrickPerkins]

Yes, that makes sense.
But there's a reason we use the term "underage".
Even though the law specifies it as 18 (or 21 in other regions of the world), I beg to differ. I think a 10 year old could easily be manipulated into having sex and she/he might not know better (which constitutes rape). But a 17 year old male? That's far harder to believe; unless he's perhaps handicap.

In large part, that's why we have precedence in court. Laws should not be painted black or white; there's always gray area. This specific incident screams gray area to me. There must be details that aren't disclosed because based on what I've read; this lady should not serve more than like 4/5 years plus community service. Heck, revoking her teaching license might have done justice.

But this woman's life is over now because she found a 17 year old male attractive. I see so many 35 year old woman dating 19 year old males; is that any different? Why? Because the male is 2 years older? Or because it's the "law"?

This womens life is over because she chose to have sex with multiple students ... STUDENTS...

This is on her. Poor, poor, poor judgement. You can't be having sex with your high school students.

It's common sense.

If anything, she deserves the time for being such a moron. Her poor choices of judgement are a threat to society,

Who's to say she won't drive drunk and kill an innocent person? Or innocent people?

She's over here ****ing her underage students so I dont put anything past the bitch. LOCK HER UP!

[Patrick Chewing]

LOCK HER UP!


For 22 years?

[Richie2k6]

This womens life is over because she chose to have sex with multiple students ... STUDENTS...

This is on her. Poor, poor, poor judgement. You can't be having sex with your high school students.

It's common sense.

If anything, she deserves the time for being such a moron. Her poor choices of judgement are a threat to society,

Who's to say she won't drive drunk and kill an innocent person? Or innocent people?

She's over here ****ing her underage students so I dont put anything past the bitch. LOCK HER UP!
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[West-Side]

Well in any event, she said she loved him and wanted to be with him, so that right there might indicate he wanted it with 100% consent. It's one of those "who knows" scenarios. Maybe he was 100% into it and "in love" with her too, or maybe she has mental issues and their texting conversations were 90% her effort and he was hardly reciprocating. Maybe it was easy to coerce him because he's a chubby virgin with acne who's never even grabbed a pair of tits before, so he's an easy target to mentally persuade into unconsented sex lol. A reach, I know, but all I'm saying is the only people who know everything is them. If we could read their text logs for months I'm sure this would be a lot easier to analyze. There's tons of details missing, all we can do is connect the broken dots and make educated guesses really

This actually is what I'm thinking myself. Although from the contents I've read, I don't believe this to be the case. But it's the only thing that would make some sense as to why she got 22 years.

"You, 30 year old skank, who took advantage of a male's low self-esteem and 3 inch *****, will serve 22 years in jail for using him as a personal dildo to penetrate your ass-hole and in the process helped him regain his self esteem."

But **** if that's the case, she's a damn hero, no?
:biggums:

[UK2K]

This womens life is over because she chose to have sex with multiple students ... STUDENTS...

This is on her. Poor, poor, poor judgement. You can't be having sex with your high school students.

It's common sense.

If anything, she deserves the time for being such a moron. Her poor choices of judgement are a threat to society,

Who's to say she won't drive drunk and kill an innocent person? Or innocent people?

She's over here ****ing her underage students so I dont put anything past the bitch. LOCK HER UP!

All that matters right here.

In high school, my brother's ex ended up dating, and then marrying, the high school gym teacher. AFTER she was graduated.

Regardless of age, even in college, a 24 year old teacher may not have sex with a 22 year old student, because one is a teacher, one is a student.

[West-Side]

This womens life is over because she chose to have sex with multiple students ... STUDENTS...

This is on her. Poor, poor, poor judgement. You can't be having sex with your high school students.

It's common sense.

If anything, she deserves the time for being such a moron. Her poor choices of judgement are a threat to society,

Who's to say she won't drive drunk and kill an innocent person? Or innocent people?

She's over here ****ing her underage students so I dont put anything past the bitch. LOCK HER UP!

Don't kill me man. :roll:
Love knows no boundaries though. :(

[KendrickPerkins]

For 22 years?
Yep

equality bitches :dancin

This is what you feminists wanted?

[Richie2k6]

This actually is what I'm thinking myself. Although from the contents I've read, I don't believe this to be the case. But it's the only thing that would make some sense as to why she got 22 years.

"You, 30 year old skank, who took advantage of a male's low self-esteem and 3 inch *****, will serve 22 years an age for using him as a personal dildo to penetrate your ass-hole and in the process gain his self esteem."

But **** if that's the case, she's a damn hero, no?
:biggums:
lol she is in my books

[Droid101]

Damn, good point.

Next time I get caught with pot I'll just say it's legal in Washington and claim its unfair to send me to prison

:rockon:
:applause:

[iamgine]

Yes, that makes sense.
But there's a reason we use the term "underage".
Even though the law specifies it as 18 (or 21 in other regions of the world), I beg to differ. I think a 10 year old could easily be manipulated into having sex and she/he might not know better (which constitutes rape). But a 17 year old male? That's far harder to believe; unless he's perhaps handicap.

In large part, that's why we have precedence in court. Laws should not be painted black or white; there's always gray area. This specific incident screams gray area to me. There must be details that aren't disclosed because based on what I've read; this lady should not serve more than like 4/5 years plus community service. Heck, revoking her teaching license might have done justice.

But this woman's life is over now because she found a 17 year old male attractive. I see so many 35 year old woman dating 19 year old males; is that any different? Why? Because the male is 2 years older? Or because it's the "law"?
I think it's more because she's believed to be a predator who knowingly seduced and had sex with three underage boys repeatedly.

Also, a 17 years old can be manipulated easily. Heck, even a 45 years old is not that hard to manipulate for a skilled seducer. Haven't we heard cases of these women manipulating rich men for their money? Or vice versa.

[West-Side]

I think it's more because she's believed to be a predator who knowingly seduced and had sex with three underage boys repeatedly.

Also, a 17 years old can be manipulated easily. Heck, even a 45 years old is not that hard to manipulate for a skilled seducer. Haven't we heard cases of these women manipulating rich men for their money? Or vice versa.

Well gold diggers offer their ***** for money; that's not illegal in any state.
I understand what you're saying, I'm just having a very difficult time envisioning on how she went about manipulating them. It just seems to me that they were young horny teenagers that jumped all over the opportunity of having sex with her; she is guilty of having sex with underage males though.

It's the 22 years that's hard for me to grasp.

[brownmamba00]

Depends how you define rape. Maybe I can convince or seduce a 10 yrs old girl to willingly have sex with me through manipulating her mind, is that...rape? Or if I'm a woman, a 10 years old boy. Many people would say so.

Why not? You can call that rape via blackmail. Just like rape via physical harm, or rape via roofie.

It all just depends on how you define rape.
You can't convince a 10 yo to have sex wtf

This guy is 17 man...his brain is much more developed and he's stepping in to his sexual prime...as long as she didn't put on a plastic dick and did this fella dirty I don't see rape.

I think his momma is pressuring him in to the victim role and 22 years for this??:facepalm

[iamgine]

Well gold diggers offer their ***** for money; that's not illegal in any state.
I understand what you're saying, I'm just having a very difficult time envisioning on how she went about manipulating them. It just seems to me that they were young horny teenagers that jumped all over the opportunity of having sex with her; she is guilty of having sex with underage males though.

It's the 22 years that's hard for me to grasp.
I'm not saying it's illegal, I'm saying anyone can be manipulated, even an old person. Even if they're enjoying it and don't lose anything, or even gain something.

If you consider her specifically targeting underage students, three that we know of, and then seducing them and having sex with them repeatedly despite knowing the heavy penalty it may carry, and the precedent the court is trying to make, perhaps it would be easier to grasp.

[Dbrog]

oh so she fcked them all in the ass?

It's possible....who knows? I know you and I don't. I also know it's important to look at the state laws. If the age of consent there is 18, then regardless if it was "consensual" from the male, it's still rape (unless his parents OKed it).

If I go out and **** a 16 year old girl who's all ****ing wet for me, that's rape bro. Shes NOT ABLE to legally give consent.

[Richie2k6]

You can't convince a 10 yo to have sex wtf

This guy is 17 man...his brain is much more developed and he's stepping in to his sexual prime...as long as she didn't put on a plastic dick and did this fella dirty I don't see rape.

I think his momma is pressuring him in to the victim role and 22 years for this??:facepalm
:rolleyes:

[West-Side]

I'm not saying it's illegal, I'm saying anyone can be manipulated, even an old person. Even if they're enjoying it and don't lose anything, or even gain something.

If you consider her specifically targeting underage students, three that we know of, and then seducing them and having sex with them repeatedly despite knowing the heavy penalty it may carry, and the precedent the court is trying to make, perhaps it would be easier to grasp.

That's my point.
She is guilty of statutory rape; no doubt. They are not considered adults.
But the penalty she got is more suited for statutory rape under the pretense of violent or physical coercion.

[RightToCensor]

where were these bitches when i was in high school?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKiV6DMUEAArOKs.jpg

[West-Side]

It's possible....who knows? I know you and I don't. I also know it's important to look at the state laws. If the age of consent there is 18, then regardless if it was "consensual" from the male, it's still rape (unless his parents OKed it).

If I go out and **** a 16 year old girl who's all ****ing wet for me, that's rape bro. Shes NOT ABLE to legally give consent.

Bro, you won't get 22 years for statutory rape.
Unless you physically assaulted the girl or slipped her the date rape drug...

You guys need to understand what me (and others) are questioning here; it's not the fact that shes guilty, it's her sentence that were questioning.

[iamgine]

That's my point.
She is guilty of statutory rape; no doubt. They are not considered adults.
But the penalty she got is more suited for statutory rape under the pretense of violent or physical coercion.
Is that your opinion or does the law implies that?

[bdreason]

So you don't think women should get the same punishment as men for the same crime?


Men and Women aren't the same. It isn't the same crime.


That said, you can't have a Teacher, who is in an position of power, having sex with her students. I don't care how old the students are, it's unprofessional and unethical... 22 years is a ridiculous sentence though. Unless there is some twisted shit going on, she deserves a year tops, maybe even just some community service and psychological counseling.

[West-Side]

Is that your opinion or does the law implies that?



Statutory Rape and Penalties

Statutory rape is prosecuted under Florida’s sexual battery and lewd and lascivious conduct laws. Penalties depend on the ages of the defendant and victim. The offense is broken into categories, and penalties vary depending on the circumstances of the crime, as described below.

Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors includes sexual penetration (with an object or body part) between a minor who is 16 or 17 and an adult who is at least 24 years old. Penalties include a fine of up to $10,000, up to 15 years in prison, or both.

Lewd and lascivious molestation includes sexual touching (even over clothing) between a defendant and a minor. This offense is a first degree felony if the victim was younger than 12 and the defendant was 18 or older. Penalties include at least 25 years (and up to life) in prison.

If the victim was 13, 14, or 15 and the defendant was 18 or older; or the victim was younger than 12 and the defendant was 17 or younger, penalties include at least four years and three months (and up to 15 years) in prison.

If the victim was younger than 16 and the defendant was 17 or younger, penalties include at least three (and up to 15) years in prison.

Lewd and lascivious battery includes sexual penetration between an adult and a minor who is 13, 14, or 15 years old. Penalties include at least 7 years and six months (and up to 15 years) in prison.

Lewd and lascivious conduct includes sexual touching between an adult and a minor younger than 16 years old (or an adult soliciting a minor younger than 16 to engage in sexual touching). For defendants 18 and older, penalties include two years and six months (and up to 15 years) in prison. However, the minimum punishment may include probation without jail time if the defendant is convicted of solicitation but no actual sexual contact.

When the defendant was younger than 18 years old at the time of the crime, penalties include two years and six months (and up to five years) in prison. And again, the minimum punishment may include probation without jail time if the defendant is convicted of solicitation but no actual sexual contact.

Contributing to the delinquency of a minor may be charged when a defendant impregnates a minor as a result of a statutory rape. Penalties include at least two (and up to six) years in prison.


Defenses to Statutory Rape

There are a few defenses to statutory rape, although the exact defenses available to a person charged with the crime depend upon the laws of the state in which the defendant is charged.

Consent

Although the victim’s consent itself is not necessarily a defense to statutory rape, it may be if the state in which the defendant has a Romeo and Juliet exception or mitigation. The victim’s consent is an essential element that a defendant must show in order to take advantage of the Romeo and Juliet laws.

In states without Romeo and Juliet laws, the victim’s consent to statutory rape is no defense, because the point of statutory rape is that a person under a certain age cannot give a valid consent to sexual activity.

Reasonable mistake of victim’s age

A few states allow a defendant to offer evidence that he or she honestly and reasonably believed the victim to be over the age of consent as a defense to a charge of statutory rape. Most states reject this defense and treat the defendant’s mistake or ignorance about the victim’s age as irrelevant to guilt under statutory rape laws, even where the victim has intentionally misrepresented his or her age.

How Statutory Rape is Punished

In general, a person convicted of statutory rape will be charged with a felony and face a prison sentence of a year or more, as well as a fine, although the particular sentence depends on the state in which the defendant is convicted.

Where a state has a Romeo and Juliet mitigation that lowers the crime to a misdemeanor when the defendant and victim are close in age, the sentence will be less severe (no more than a year in jail maximum).

Seems like the maximum sentence is 15 years.
However, it really bugs me that the "victim" in this case fully acknowledges that he was in the relationship with his teacher for a number of months.

It just screams to me "The mother found out and was raged by the fact that a 30 year old woman had sex with her son." I do believe the son got really sad that he can't make the teacher squirt anymore. :(

To me the maximum 15 years seems to fit more of a "over age person lying about his/her age in order to have sex with an underage person." To me that would warrant 15 years.

[riseagainst]

i remember a hot PE teacher in my elementary school. I would jerk off before PE class everyday just so i wouldnt pop a boner during class and be embarrassed.

[dude77]

It's possible....who knows? I know you and I don't. I also know it's important to look at the state laws. If the age of consent there is 18, then regardless if it was "consensual" from the male, it's still rape (unless his parents OKed it).

If I go out and **** a 16 year old girl who's all ****ing wet for me, that's rape bro. Shes NOT ABLE to legally give consent.

lol that's not rape gtfoh .. you think 16-17 yr old girls don't wanna get slammed by the d ? .. age consent laws are arbitrary bullshit

[~primetime~]

Seems like the maximum sentence is 15 years.
However, it really bugs me that the "victim" in this case fully acknowledges that he was in the relationship with his teacher for a number of months.

It just screams to me "The mother found out and was raged by the fact that a 30 year old woman had sex with her son." I do believe the son got really sad that he can't make the teacher squirt anymore. :(

To me the maximum 15 years seems to fit more of a "over age person lying about his/her age in order to have sex with an underage person." To me that would warrant 15 years.

I know each of the three males would carry a 15-year max...but not sure if EACH time they had sex would be a max 15-year punishment. They had sex "dozens of times" so perhaps each of those times would be seen as one count of underage sex.



the crazy thing is that in some states 17 is legal...there are 17 year old girls working as strippers in some states.

[KingBeasley08]

Damn that's overkill. Any kid would smash that if he had a chance

[jstern]

I get the impression that the mom is very jealous of the teacher. Not because she's having sex with her son, but because she's younger and prettier. Similar to how the women react to the girl in this video. https://youtu.be/8ABRlWybBqM?t=389

Also there was this one case where a teacher was having sex with a teenager. Great for the teenager and all, but in the eyes of the law he's now this traumatized victim. So being a traumatized victim he sued the school for I guess hiring, and allowing such an emotional, life long ordeal. But of course he was laughed out of court because, hello, he had sex with his teacher. 99% of humanity knows that a horny teenager is not going to be traumatized for ****ing his teacher.

[~primetime~]

I know each of the three males would carry a 15-year max...but not sure if EACH time they had sex would be a max 15-year punishment. They had sex "dozens of times" so perhaps each of those times would be seen as one count of underage sex.



the crazy thing is that in some states 17 is legal...there are 17 year old girls working as strippers in some states.
...
Jennifer Fichter, 30, pleaded guilty to all 37 counts April 2. Each charge carries a maximum of 15 years in prison.

so that answers that

[West-Side]

...
Jennifer Fichter, 30, pleaded guilty to all 37 counts April 2. Each charge carries a maximum of 15 years in prison.

so that answers that

My point is context should matter in this case.
Law should always be open for interpretation. Like someone said, in other states having sex with a 17 year old is legal. Seems a bit excessive.

It also says "up to 15 years"; and the circumstances of the sexual encounter in this case should matter. The judge was the students relative I bet.

[~primetime~]

My point is context should matter in this case.
Law should always be open for interpretation. Like someone said, in other states having sex with a 17 year old is legal. Seems a bit excessive.

It also says "up to 15 years"; and the circumstances of the sexual encounter in this case should matter. The judge was the students relative I bet.
yeah I agree

sex with a 17 year old should NOT be treated the same as sex with a 7 year old

[UK2K]

Seems like the maximum sentence is 15 years.
However, it really bugs me that the "victim" in this case fully acknowledges that he was in the relationship with his teacher for a number of months.

It just screams to me "The mother found out and was raged by the fact that a 30 year old woman had sex with her son." I do believe the son got really sad that he can't make the teacher squirt anymore. :(

To me the maximum 15 years seems to fit more of a "over age person lying about his/her age in order to have sex with an underage person." To me that would warrant 15 years.
Per count.

Wasn't she smashing three of them?

[~primetime~]

Russians defend Jennifer Fichter, former Polk County teacher sentenced for student sex (http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-polk/reports-russians-defend-jennifer-fichter-former-polk-county-teacher-sentenced-for-student-sex)


Thousands of Russians believe 30-year-old Jennifer Fichter did nothing wrong, according to the online publication, The Moscow Times.

Fichter pleaded guilty to having sex with three of her teenage students.

Online petitions were launched and signed by her Russian supporters.

One petition was launched on the website Change.org. It went viral and some 41,000 signatures had been gathered by Monday night, according to the The Times.

"Twenty-two years for a woman who helped three mature male students start their adult lives. Twenty-two years for a woman who wanted to be happy and loved, even if it was by someone younger than herself. Twenty-two years for the fact that these students wanted to be with her, longed for her tenderness and attention," said Russian netizen Denis Shiryaev, who launched the petition drive.

Shiryaev called for an end the "the United States' legal tyranny."

[dude77]

sex with a 17 year old should NOT be treated the same as sex with a 7 year old


http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52e1aee1e4b024991a826f95/54f45dc2e4b080da0ca76ab2/54f45e83e4b0f251eebfdf8e/1425301135926/Silly%2BPortrait%2B1.gif

[Dbrog]

lol that's not rape gtfoh .. you think 16-17 yr old girls don't wanna get slammed by the d ? .. age consent laws are arbitrary bullshit

I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's the law whether you agree with it or not. There are some countries in the EU that age of consent is 14, and I tend to agree more with them but again...that doesn't matter since we are in the US. I would smash this teacher and feeling like a god damn movie star if I was 17.

[CelticBaller]

22 years for f*cking a 17 year old ??



http://www.geeksandcleats.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/nick-young-confused-face-300x256.png
for real :oldlol:

[ISHGoat]

there are literally countless murders and real rapists that got lighter sentences than this

there must more to the story. shes probably a serial offender or has a history of related incidents

[TripleA]

there are literally countless murders and real rapists that got lighter sentences than this

there must more to the story. shes probably a serial offender or has a history of related incidents


I'm pretty sure if she was ugly and 42 no one would give a shit about the sentence. I'm pretty sure women have been given sentences like this before.
She probably will have this sentence lessened by a lot she will probably spend 5 years in prison max.

[RRR3]

I think 22 years is excessive but as others have said the double standard here is hilarious. Imagine if she was a legitimate rapist; we'd still have idiots going "well she was hot they wanted it obviously". This is not to say she forced these boys to have sex with her of course. But it is wildly inappropriate to do so with your students.


Inb4 "hurrrr durr RRR3 is a tiny dick beta durrrr"

[ISHGoat]

I think 22 years is excessive but as others have said the double standard here is hilarious. Imagine if she was a legitimate rapist; we'd still have idiots going "well she was hot they wanted it obviously". This is not to say she forced these boys to have sex with her of course. But it is wildly inappropriate to do so with your students.


Inb4 "hurrrr durr RRR3 is a tiny dick beta durrrr"

that could be a legit defense in court

think about it logically, its much less likely for a hot women to commit rape. just like most of us dont really believe kobe raped that girl. objectively speaking, hed be an attractive guy for a woman to want to bone.

if anything, she ran game on the students and the students were DTF

how is that any different than what pick up artists do? the only difference here is that she is slightly older and happens to teach them english at school. does that warrant 22 years behind bars?

what if this occured in a private school and she happened to be a teacher there? 22 years still?
what if she was an extracurricular tutor to them? is that also a crime?
what if she was a TA and the student was still 17? (i was 17 when I started uni)

so then are we saying it is only a crime because of WHERE she teaches?

[ArbitraryWater]

22 years? what the flying ****?


Switch genders, do you think the same?

but we cant switch genders.. they're not the same, it wont make any sense.

[RRR3]

that could be a legit defense in court

think about it logically, its much less likely for a hot women to commit rape. just like most of us dont really believe kobe raped that girl. objectively speaking, hed be an attractive guy for a woman to want to bone.

if anything, she ran game on the students and the students were DTF

how is that any different than what pick up artists do? the only difference here is that she is slightly older and happens to teach them english at school. does that warrant 22 years behind bars?

what if this occured in a private school and she happened to be a teacher there? 22 years still?
what if she was an extracurricular tutor to them? is that also a crime?
what if she was a TA and the student was still 17? (i was 17 when I started uni)

so then are we saying it is only a crime because of WHERE she teaches?
I don't think she deserves what she got, but she should certainly face consequences. I hope you don't think she should be allowed to continue teaching. I have had sexual attractions to numerous female authority figures, but objectively I know that things would get extremely difficult and disturbing if my fantasies became reality.

[Millslapped]

22 years? what the flying ****?



but we cant switch genders.. they're not the same, it wont make any sense.
What? What do you mean?

[ArbitraryWater]

What? What do you mean?

There is no equality, there can't be any, Men and Women are different physically and psychologically, these cases can't be treated the same. And hell, I'm not even saying if it would be a Man he'd have to go to prison for 22 years...

[~primetime~]

there are literally countless murders and real rapists that got lighter sentences than this

there must more to the story. shes probably a serial offender or has a history of related incidents
Yeah I was thinking there had to be something else, like she has a prior molestation charge or something, but from what I can see there is nothing else to the story at all. Her wikipedia page says she was fired from a job once, that's it.

It's really strange, there have been a dozen or so cases like this in the past where moderately good looking and even flat out "hot" high school teachers have slept with younger male students and didn't see punishment anywhere near this.

[DeuceWallaces]

Yeah I was thinking there had to be something else, like she has a prior molestation charge or something, but from what I can see there is nothing else to the story at all. Her wikipedia page says she was fired from a job once, that's it.

It's really strange, there have been a dozen or so cases like this in the past where moderately good looking and even flat out "hot" high school teachers have slept with younger male students and didn't see punishment anywhere near this.

Oh Captain PT is on the case. It's really strange he thought it was less rapey.

[~primetime~]

Oh Captain PT is on the case. It's really strange he thought it was less rapey.

We should all reserve judgement until we know this woman didn't brutally rape these young men:oldlol:

[eriX]

My point is context should matter in this case.
Law should always be open for interpretation. Like someone said, in other states having sex with a 17 year old is legal. Seems a bit excessive.

It also says "up to 15 years"; and the circumstances of the sexual encounter in this case should matter. The judge was the students relative I bet.

If laws are open to interpretation then they won't be laws... they would be guidelines...

Just bad luck for her, the law is ****ed and she's dumb enough to have sex with students that were still underage and she pays for it. Not much else to it really, she's the adult and she could've chosen someone that's 18 to fk but decided it was better to have sex with minors :confusedshrug:

Could've easily moved to another state where 17 is legal but she's too dumb.

[UK2K]

Yeah I was thinking there had to be something else, like she has a prior molestation charge or something, but from what I can see there is nothing else to the story at all. Her wikipedia page says she was fired from a job once, that's it.

It's really strange, there have been a dozen or so cases like this in the past where moderately good looking and even flat out "hot" high school teachers have slept with younger male students and didn't see punishment anywhere near this.

I believe the number of 'victims' (3?) and the length of time the arrangement progressed led to the sentence.

The penalty is a maximum up to 15 years, but there were also 3 counts.

[Millslapped]

There is no equality, there can't be any, Men and Women are different physically and psychologically, these cases can't be treated the same. And hell, I'm not even saying if it would be a Man he'd have to go to prison for 22 years...
You're right. If a women shoves a broomstick up a guy's ass that's not mentally harmful at all! Smart opinion :cheers:

[ISHGoat]

You're right. If a women shoves a broomstick up a guy's ass that's not mentally harmful at all! Smart opinion :cheers:

Thats clearly different than if a guy willingly smashes her poon 30 times. If we remove the fact that she was his english teacher at a public school, does she even face any jailtime at all?

[Millslapped]

Thats clearly different than if a guy willingly smashes her poon 30 times. If we remove the fact that she was his english teacher at a public school, does she even face any jailtime at all?
I don't think she should go to jail. I think she should be fired from her job, but no jailtime. The Age of consent is something that was mostly pushed higher and higher because of feminists.

[LJJ]

Thats clearly different than if a guy willingly smashes her poon 30 times. If we remove the fact that she was his english teacher at a public school, does she even face any jailtime at all?

We don't know that at all. Three men didn't step forward as victims because they were willingly and happily smashing that, seems kind of unlikely. I would never step forward and accuse one of my ex lays of abusing me.

[Patrick Chewing]

We don't know that at all. Three men didn't step forward as victims because they were willingly and happily smashing that, seems kind of unlikely. I would never step forward and accuse one of my ex lays of abusing me.


Which is why I think it's the kid's mother who is to blame for all this mess.


That, and the State of Florida flexing their muscle and making an example of this lovely, lovely woman. The sex between all parties involved was consensual.

She'll be out in 3-5 years.

[LJJ]

Which is why I think it's the kid's mother who is to blame for all this mess.

For one sure, but why the other 2?

All their moms happened to find out and decided to cockblock their son having the time of his life? Sounds like BS.

[~primetime~]

For one sure, but why the other 2?

All their moms happened to find out and decided to cockblock their son having the time of his life? Sounds like BS.
I am not sure about this case, but in many of the past cases similar to this the teacher was caught due to the male(s) involved bragging about it to others.

[~primetime~]

Like this one:

Louisiana teacher, accused of threesome with student, gets off without jail time (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/la-teacher-jail-sex-student-case-article-1.2180450)


A sleazy 32-year-old Louisiana English teacher admitted to bedding her 16-year-old student but got off with a deferred sentence and will not be required to register as a sex offender.

....

The teachers were caught when the boy bragged about the sexual encounter.

[LJJ]

That's a completely unrelated case.

The OP says this "Two other male students, both also 17 years old, came forward as victims after Fichter was arrested.", nothing about them being caught bragging. They came forward as victims, that's something entirely different.

[UK2K]

Which is why I think it's the kid's mother who is to blame for all this mess.


That, and the State of Florida flexing their muscle and making an example of this lovely, lovely woman. The sex between all parties involved was consensual.

She'll be out in 3-5 years.
It will be appealed like there's no tomorrow.

She won't serve more than five unless she ends up shanking someone.

[ArbitraryWater]

You're right. If a women shoves a broomstick up a guy's ass that's not mentally harmful at all! Smart opinion :cheers:

yes, this is definitely the same, good example

[~primetime~]

That's a completely unrelated case.

The OP says this "Two other male students, both also 17 years old, came forward as victims after Fichter was arrested.", nothing about them being caught bragging. They came forward as victims, that's something entirely different.

found this -

Prosecutors stressed that because Fichter is female, and the male students were willing participants, did not make them less victimised.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/female-teachers-tearful-apology-having-5999832

[LJJ]

found this -

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/female-teachers-tearful-apology-having-5999832

"did not make them less victimised."

So they felt victimised. Precisely. Taken advantage off.


Would you say you have been taken advantage off by a female you had sex with, if there was nothing but enjoyable sex going on? In court?

[~primetime~]

"did not make them less victimised."

So they felt victimised. Precisely. Taken advantage off.


Would you say you have been taken advantage off by a female you had sex with, if there was nothing but enjoyable sex going on? In court?
the other two "came forward" AFTER she was sentenced

[LJJ]

the other two "came forward" AFTER she was sentenced

Well, after she was caught. Not after she was sentenced.


But yeah exactly. They learned that this lady has victimized others and stepped forward. That's what the articles make it sounds like. It would make absolutely no sense for them to do that unless there was something going on besides just two people having some nice sex.

One crazy boy, one crazy mom, I get it could be a fraud. Multiple victims all coming forward saying they've been taken advantage of by a predator? I'm going to believe something messed up went down here.

[~primetime~]

first kid might have ratted the other two out...his mom called their parents, etc

maybe all three of the boys were friends...who knows




trying to make this woman out to be a female Bill Cosby is silly to me

[West-Side]

That's a completely unrelated case.

The OP says this "Two other male students, both also 17 years old, came forward as victims after Fichter was arrested.", nothing about them being caught bragging. They came forward as victims, that's something entirely different.

Did they come forward or the mom of the first student asked him if there were others involved and he ratted?

Who knows; there is a big difference between the actual males going to the police and pressing charges and their parents finding it out via text messaging etc. and pressing charges on their behalf.

[~primetime~]

yeah once investigators got involved and started snooping around I'm sure the other boys got nervous...


Prosecutors themselves stated that the male students were "willing participants"...if the prosecutors themselves are saying that then how could you not believe it?

Prosecutors said they are still victims according to law because of their age...like "oh no someone help us over here!, this evil lady tricked our young minds into letting her suck our dcks at our HS parties!"

[RRR3]

No one would give a shit if the participants were "willing" if the genders were reversed. Think about that.

[ISHGoat]

No one would give a shit if the participants were "willing" if the genders were reversed. Think about that.

exactly.

i see absolutely zero issue even if the genders are reversed and a male teacher bones 3 of 12th grade hotties

are you seriously telling me that some of these HS skanks wouldnt love to be plowed by a 30 year old hot guy? thats basically this situation reversed.

are you saying that these 12th graders were somehow harmed because they 69'd their babe teacher?

[RRR3]

exactly.

i see absolutely zero issue even if the genders are reversed and a male teacher bones 3 of 12th grade hotties

are you seriously telling me that some of these HS skanks wouldnt love to be plowed by a 30 year old hot guy? thats basically this situation reversed.

are you saying that these 12th graders were somehow harmed because they 69'd their babe teacher?
That's not what I meant. I meant willing or not, the male teacher would be demonized for a similar act.

[gts]

That's a completely unrelated case.

The OP says this "Two other male students, both also 17 years old, came forward as victims after Fichter was arrested.", nothing about them being caught bragging. They came forward as victims, that's something entirely different.

From reading a bit online I think the second kid was discovered during the investigation before her arrest and the 3rd came afterwards but when she was originally arrested she was only charged with the one count, then as it's usually done once they had a chance to speak to her and she was cooperating more charges were tacked on

Haven't read the whole thread to see if this was mentioned but this was a plea deal, she pled guilty to 37 counts each with the possibility of 15 years max so 22 years is light I suppose.

[LJJ]

yeah once investigators got involved and started snooping around I'm sure the other boys got nervous...


Prosecutors themselves stated that the male students were "willing participants"...if the prosecutors themselves are saying that then how could you not believe it?

Prosecutors said they are still victims according to law because of their age...like "oh no someone help us over here!, this evil lady tricked our young minds into letting her suck our dcks at our HS parties!"

They were willing participants and they felt victimized. Those are not mutually exclusive. This is how the vast majority of sexual abuse of this kind happens. The sources you quote says the boys felt victimized.

You do realize the stuff you said applies to the vast majority of cases where a male teacher bangs his students also. The girls are willing participants and then realize later how bad their situation was and that the teacher abused their position.

[~primetime~]

They were willing participants and they felt victimized. Those are not mutually exclusive. This is how the vast majority of sexual abuse of this kind happens. The sources you quote says the boys felt victimized.

You do realize the stuff you said applies to the vast majority of cases where a male teacher bangs his students also. The girls are willing participants and then realize later how bad their situation was and that the teacher abused their position.
no it didn't say they "FELT" like victims...it just says that they were victims despite being willing...because of their age


Prosecutors stressed that because Fichter is female, and the male students were willing participants, did not make them less victimised.

[RidonKs]

i gotta say i've always loved primey's stickling on semantics. to the contrary of popular consensus on ish, he is not usually wrong

this is a fascinating case that goes to the root of the gender double standard... which as primetime pointed out, is definitely warranted in certain aspects of erryday livin

[~primetime~]

i gotta say i've always loved primey's stickling on semantics. to the contrary of popular consensus on ish, he is not usually wrong

this is a fascinating case that goes to the root of the gender double standard... which as primetime pointed out, is definitely warranted in certain aspects of erryday livin
I really won't even get into the double standard stuff because that could go pages and pages in here...this woman's defense argued that a double standard SHOULD exist here and I agree completely. The two sexes are different when it comes to sex.

Anyway to me the outrage here is that these 'boys' were 17 yet being treated the same as though they were 7. I remember being 17, I lost my virginity at 15. I am absolutely convinced that had I slept with a 30 year old teacher like this it would have done zero damage to me, may have even helped my confidence out. I can see a teacher spending a year, maybe two, in prison for this, but 22 years? ridiculous IMO.

To be honest if the roles were flipped and it was WILLING female students at age 17 I would also think 22 years is ridiculous.

[LJJ]

no it didn't say they "FELT" like victims...it just says that they were victims despite being willing...because of their age

Wait you are right about the phrasing here. My bad. If the guys are actually saying nothing was wrong, it's a very weird sentencing. But we don't know that.