On paper, who has the best roster right now?

[ClipperRevival]

I would have to say the Clippers.

Starters

PG - CP3
SG - Redick
SF - Pierce
PF - Griffin
C - Jordan

Bench

PG - Rivers
SG - Crawford
SF - Stephenson, Johnson
PF - Smith
C - Aldrich

[Miles and Miles]

As much as I hate to admit it the Warriors are calling and they want you to take a look at their championship roster.

[tpols]

Rockets look insane to me.. Lawson harden ariza dwight.

[Foster5k]

OKC or the Cavs.

[kshutts1]

How do we want to define "best"?

Most likely to win the title?
Deepest?
Best talent, regardless of fit?
Best fit, regardless of talent?

[RidonKs]

okc
cle


golden state fits better than its roster stands out on individual talent alone. i agree with the above poster, houston has a more star studded roster than the warriors or the spurs or the clippers.

[West-Side]

Sacramento Kings

[Prime_Shaq]

Spurs?

[ClipperRevival]

How do we want to define "best"?

Most likely to win the title?
Deepest?
Best talent, regardless of fit?
Best fit, regardless of talent?

Most likely to win the title. The Clips have a good balance of superstars (CP3, Blake, DJ) and a deep bench. Last year, they had two glaring issues: weak bench and lack of wing players. They addressed both big time by adding Smith, Pierce, Stephenson and Wes. Last year, their starters would almost always give our bench the lead and once they went out, our bench would just kill us. I don't see that happening anymore.

[thefatmiral]

1. warriors. depth and cohesiveness
2. cavs if healthy stacked
3. okc same
4. spurs. lost some good peices but should be better or same

[West-Side]

Most likely to win the title. The Clips have a good balance of superstars (CP3, Blake, DJ) and a deep bench. Last year, they had two glaring issues: weak bench and lack of wing players. They addressed both big time by adding Smith, Pierce, Stephenson and Wes. Last year, their starters would almost always give our bench the lead and once they went out, our bench would just kill us. I don't see that happening anymore.

Spurs have a better team then, without a doubt.
They have more experience, better coaching and arguably more talent on paper.

Duncan, Leonard, LMA, West, Parker > Jordan, Griffin, J.Smith, Paul & Pierce.
SA has a much better defensive unit as well.

Pop just puts them over the top; it will be SA Vs. Cleveland.
I hate to dismiss GS; they were lights out this past year. I guess I'll put them slightly above OKC, Houston and the Clippers.

[ClipperRevival]

I'm not sold on OKC. Their is no guarantee Durant will be back at full force. And they don't have good depth. Also, Kanter is overrated. He is a solid offensive post player but can't play D. They would have to hope that Adams really develops. A guy like Waiters will probably hurt your team more in the playoffs than help it.

I don't see them being better than SAS, LAC or HOU in the playoffs. Those teams not only have the superstars but good depth.

[BuffaloBill]

Parker/Mills/Ray
Green/Manu/Simmons
Leonard/Anderson
Aldridge/Diaw/West
Duncan/Marjanovic/Bonner


I don't think I've ever seen a team this deep

[kshutts1]

My pick to win the title -- Thunder
My pick as favorites -- Cavs
Most talented, regardless of fit -- Thunder
Best fit, regardless of talent -- Warriors/Spurs
Deepest -- Warriors/Thunder

[G0ATbe]

Cavs by far.

[RidonKs]

My pick to win the title -- Thunder
My pick as favorites -- Cavs
Most talented, regardless of fit -- Thunder
Best fit, regardless of talent -- Warriors/Spurs
Deepest -- Warriors/Thunder
nice breakdown

My pick to win the title -- Spurs
My pick as favorites -- Cavs
Most talented, regardless of fit -- Thunder
Best fit, regardless of talent -- Warriors
Deepest -- .... this one is too hard

[ClipperRevival]

Spurs have a better team then, without a doubt.
They have more experience, better coaching and arguably more talent on paper.

Duncan, Leonard, LMA, West, Parker > Jordan, Griffin, J.Smith, Paul & Pierce.
SA has a much better defensive unit as well.

Pop just puts them over the top; it will be SA Vs. Cleveland.
I hate to dismiss GS; they were lights out this past year. I guess I'll put them slightly above OKC, Houston and the Clippers.

I'm not completely sold on them because Parker is probably done at the elite level and Manu could fall off a cliff at any time. They also lost Splitter. Of course they added LMA and West but is that enough to compensate for the loss of Splitter and the possible decline of Parker and Manu? I don't know.

[kshutts1]

Maybe it's personal bias, but Spurs are so, so overrated right now (ironically, just like Aldridge was this offseason) and the Thunder are so quickly dismissed.

Spurs are old. Injuries will be an issue. Duncan, Manu, West are all old. Parker has injury concerns.
There is minimal proven depth. Diaw, Mills, Anderson? Maybe good system players, jury is still out on Anderson, but definitely not great basketball players. System player is more important than talent, until there is a long term injury that must be overcome.

If the Spurs stay 100% healthy for the whole year, or at least the last 40 RS games and all of the playoffs, then they have a very strong case to win the title. But the odds of that happening are very slim.

As for the Thunder, Westbrook and Durant (assuming he's healthy) are two of the top 5 players in the league. That alone is enough to steamroll even a strong Western team. Then add in depth in the form of....
Waitiers, Kanter, Roberson, McGary, Morrow and Augustin, plus the all-star talent of Ibaka? Come on now. The only question mark that team has is the coach.

[West-Side]

I'm not sold on OKC. Their is no guarantee Durant will be back at full force. And they don't have good depth. Also, Kanter is overrated. He is a solid offensive post player but can't play D. They would have to hope that Adams really develops. A guy like Waiters will probably hurt your team more in the playoffs than help it.

I don't see them being better than SAS, LAC or HOU in the playoffs. Those teams not only have the superstars but good depth.

Westbrook and Durant are the best duo in this league.
I mean it's fine if you think Durant won't be his old safe; but don't compare OKC's superstars to any of those teams.

Durant & Westbrook are arguably top 5 players in this league.
Howard / Harden - LMA / Duncan - Griffin / Paul are not on the same level.

[West-Side]

I'm not completely sold on them because Parker is probably done at the elite level and Manu could fall off a cliff at any time. They also lost Splitter. Of course they added LMA and West but is that enough to compensate for the loss of Splitter and the possible decline of Parker and Manu? I don't know.

People have said that for last 6 years or so, yet they always manage to win 50+ (in some cases 60+) games in the reg. season and have won a title in 2013.

Now you add West & LMA to help out Manu, Parker, Duncan and Leonard?
It's kind of scary to me.

Maybe it's because I respect the hell out of Pop and I know he'll create a strategy that considers the age of the team. He'll probably cut Duncan, Manu and Parker's minutes considerably and now he has the luxury of having LMA & Leonard as the focal points. Plus, they have a bunch of capable role players. They'll be in contention, no doubt.

[ClipperRevival]

Westbrook and Durant are the best duo in this league.
I mean it's fine if you think Durant won't be his old safe; but don't compare OKC's superstars to any of those teams.

Durant & Westbrook are arguably top 5 players in this league.
Howard / Harden - LMA / Duncan - Griffin / Paul are not on the same level.

True. If Durant is healthy, OKC is definitely a threat. But I don't like their depth outside of their top 3.

[rmt]

Maybe it's personal bias, but Spurs are so, so overrated right now (ironically, just like Aldridge was this offseason) and the Thunder are so quickly dismissed.

Spurs are old. Injuries will be an issue. Duncan, Manu, West are all old. Parker has injury concerns.
There is minimal proven depth. Diaw, Mills, Anderson? Maybe good system players, jury is still out on Anderson, but definitely not great basketball players. System player is more important than talent, until there is a long term injury that must be overcome.

If the Spurs stay 100% healthy for the whole year, or at least the last 40 RS games and all of the playoffs, then they have a very strong case to win the title. But the odds of that happening are very slim.

As for the Thunder, Westbrook and Durant (assuming he's healthy) are two of the top 5 players in the league. That alone is enough to steamroll even a strong Western team. Then add in depth in the form of....
Waitiers, Kanter, Roberson, McGary, Morrow and Augustin, plus the all-star talent of Ibaka? Come on now. The only question mark that team has is the coach.

I agree about the Spurs. They gave up depth for LMA - I see why they had to (for the future) but I would have preferred to keep the depth, familiarity, team chemistry for another run. The big men rotation is very good, but the guard rotation is weak and with Simmons/Anderson - not proven at all. Manu is too old and who knows with Parker? Leonard has no backup, but is young and should be playing lots of minutes.

As far as best roster:

Cavs - just loaded and easy, no stress road to the Finals
Clips - Stevenson is a wild card but very talented and can really take them over the top. Also Pierce is a scary addition: clutchness, former franchise player and championship experience - vital for them considering their meltdown last playoffs.

[kshutts1]

True. If Durant is healthy, OKC is definitely a threat. But I don't like their depth outside of their top 3.
I'm assuming Ibaka is the third in this top 3.

What don't you like about...
Roberson -- good wing defender
Waiters -- scorer off the bench
Kanter -- great offensive big
Adams -- good defensive big, solid offensively
Augustin -- another scorer off the bench, shooter
Morrow -- elite shooter

Those are six legit rotation players. A lot of people may not like Waiters, but he's a legit player. Maybe not a star, but definitely a Ben Gordon/Bobby Jackson in-the-making kind of guy.

I didn't even mention McGary yet, a player that has excited a lot of people with his SL (lol SL) play this year.

Jesus. I LITERALLY forgot...
Collison, who's long been the poster boy for "stats don't tell the whole story"
Novak -- elite shooter
Singler -- solid, all-around SF

[ClipperRevival]

People have said that for last 6 years or so, yet they always manage to win 50+ (in some cases 60+) games in the reg. season and have won a title in 2013.

Now you add West & LMA to help out Manu, Parker, Duncan and Leonard?
It's kind of scary to me.

Maybe it's because I respect the hell out of Pop and I know he'll create a strategy that considers the age of the team. He'll probably cut Duncan, Manu and Parker's minutes considerably and now he has the luxury of having LMA & Leonard as the focal points. Plus, they have a bunch of capable role players. They'll be in contention, no doubt.

Again true. But at some point, Parker and Manu have to fall off a cliff. Parker looked horrible last year in the playoffs and that's one reason why they lost in the 1st round. It's not like the Spurs are defending champs, so they needed to improve. I think they did but what if Parker/Manu fall off a cliff and they did lose Splitter. Is LMA and West enough?

[TemporaMutantur]

True. If Durant is healthy, OKC is definitely a threat. But I don't like their depth outside of their top 3.

Word, I don't know why people always declare that the Thunder are deep. Outside KD, WB, and Ibaka, they have average to below average talent.

However, their top 3 are godly, certainly deserve a title and can probably overcome their teammates' deficiencies.

[KendrickPerkins]

I'm not sold on OKC. Their is no guarantee Durant will be back at full force. And they don't have good depth. Also, Kanter is overrated. He is a solid offensive post player but can't play D. They would have to hope that Adams really develops. A guy like Waiters will probably hurt your team more in the playoffs than help it.

I don't see them being better than SAS, LAC or HOU in the playoffs. Those teams not only have the superstars but good depth.
You're not sold on OKC, but you're sold on a team of chokers who have never made the WCF.

Just stop existing you ****ing idiot.

And yes I'll be bumping your shitty post when OKC shits on the Clippers in the playoffs again. If the Clips even make it far enough to play OKC that is. They usually don't. OKC is a WCF lock every single year.

[ClipperRevival]

I'm assuming Ibaka is the third in this top 3.

What don't you like about...
Roberson -- good wing defender
Waiters -- scorer off the bench
Kanter -- great offensive big
Adams -- good defensive big, solid offensively
Augustin -- another scorer off the bench, shooter
Morrow -- elite shooter

Those are six legit rotation players. A lot of people may not like Waiters, but he's a legit player. Maybe not a star, but definitely a Ben Gordon/Bobby Jackson in-the-making kind of guy.

I didn't even mention McGary yet, a player that has excited a lot of people with his SL (lol SL) play this year.

Jesus. I LITERALLY forgot...
Collison, who's long been the poster boy for "stats don't tell the whole story"
Novak -- elite shooter
Singler -- solid, all-around SF

No one on their roster outside of their big 3 have me excited. Kanter is an offensive, black hole and can't play D. I like Adams a bit. Waiters? :banghead: He's the type that will hurt your team in the playoffs. Augustin is a solid back up PG. Morrow might be huge if he gets hot. I don't know, I don't see much depth.

[ClipperRevival]

You're not sold on OKC, but you're sold on a team of chokers who have never made the WCF.

Just stop existing you ****ing idiot.

And yes I'll be bumping your shitty post when OKC shits on the Clippers in the playoffs again. If the Clips even make it far enough to play OKC that is. They usually don't. OKC is a WCF lock every single year.

Read the title dumbass.

[Nastradamus]

No one on their roster outside of their big 3 have me excited. Kanter is an offensive, black hole and can't play D. I like Adams a bit. Waiters? :banghead: He's the type that will hurt your team in the playoffs. Augustin is a solid back up PG. Morrow might be huge if he gets hot. I don't know, I don't see much depth.

You also have a lottery pick on the bench in Payne, Roberson is becoming a special defender, Singler is a very useful role player and guys like Adams and Mcgary are productive bigs

[kshutts1]

No one on their roster outside of their big 3 have me excited. Kanter is an offensive, black hole and can't play D. I like Adams a bit. Waiters? :banghead: He's the type that will hurt your team in the playoffs. Augustin is a solid back up PG. Morrow might be huge if he gets hot. I don't know, I don't see much depth.
I guess it depends on how we define depth.

Warriors have legit all-star caliber players on their bench, but after the top 8 or 9 their depth really tapers off. I'll admit the Thunder do not have that all-star caliber player on their bench.

But the Thunder are a team that is, literally, 10-12 deep. All 10-12 players legit NBA players that could/would play a larger role on almost any other team in the league.

[KendrickPerkins]

Read the title dumbass.
Hey ****head, they have Westbrook and Durant.

Which means if healthy they're guaranteed a spot in the WCF.

You think that retard stephenson is enough to put them over OKC, even though the choking clippers haven't even made the WCF's yet?

SICK LOGIC!!!!!!

:facepalm

Idiot.

Will bump your idiocy in the future. Don't worry. Your retardation will be documented and laughed at.

[T_L_P]

It could still be the Spurs even if Parker continues to be an overwhelming negative - just as long as Pop puts him on the pine (which he didn't last season).

If Pop doesn't have the guts to bench his 'star', then I'm going with the Clippers. Then the Warriors, Thunder, Rockets and Cavs.

The West is too brutal.

[BuffaloBill]

I disagree about the Spurs giving up depth. This year's Spurs are deeper than ever and far deeper than the Spurs of the past two years


Yeah they lost Splitter(always injured), Cory Joseph(never got minutes), and Belinelli(injured most of last season)


But they more than made up for it with

LaMarcus Aldridge - huge upgrade over Splitter

David West - David West

Ray Mccallum - Better backup PG than Cory Joseph

Kyle Anderson - Will most likely back up Leonard this season

Boban Marjanovic - Unkown, but Euro center of the year and 7'4" and Serbian just like Pop, excited to play for the Spurs

Jonathan Simmons - also unkown but a high energy high motor guy, good defender, good playmaker, destroyed the summer league and D-league, and is the perfect fit for the Spurs system.

[KendrickPerkins]

This retard is over here talking about depth.

As if Stephenson and Josh ****ing Smith will make a big difference and put them over the hump. :oldlol:

OKC is probably deeper than they've ever been right now. My God is this guy a freaking DUMBASS. :facepalm

[rmt]

Sports are all about match ups so I think the West will come down to the seeding/who lands on whose side. From a Spur fan pov, I'd rather be in the bracket opposite OKC, HOU (Harden is a Spur killer) and LAC - don't mind GSW or MEM. So I'm hoping for #2 seed with #3 being GSW

1.OKC/HOU/LAC
2. SAS
3. GSW
4. OKC/HOU/LAC
5. OKC/HOU/LAC
6. MEM
7. ?
8. PEL

[rmt]

I disagree about the Spurs giving up depth. This year's Spurs are deeper than ever and far deeper than the Spurs of the past two years


Yeah they lost Splitter(always injured), Cory Joseph(never got minutes), and Belinelli(injured most of last season)


But they more than made up for it with

LaMarcus Aldridge - huge upgrade over Splitter

David West - David West

Ray Mccallum - Better backup PG than Cory Joseph

Kyle Anderson - Will most likely back up Leonard this season

Boban Marjanovic - Unkown, but Euro center of the year and 7'4" and Serbian just like Pop, excited to play for the Spurs

Jonathan Simmons - also unkown but a high energy high motor guy, good defender, good playmaker, destroyed the summer league and D-league, and is the perfect fit for the Spurs system.

The last 3 listed are unproven. Belli and Joseph were capable backups during the regular season in case of injury (to Manu and TP) and they knew the system. IMO, Anderson is just too slow for the NBA. McCallum - I have not seen so can't make any comment.

Spurs got MUCH better in the big man rotation - but they were never weak with Duncan/Splitter/Diaw as long as Splitter was healthy. In this perimeter driven league, it's better to have the depth at wing/guard positions because teams are going to go to small ball to force Duncan/West off the floor.

[ClipperRevival]

You also have a lottery pick on the bench in Payne, Roberson is becoming a special defender, Singler is a very useful role player and guys like Adams and Mcgary are productive bigs

Don't know anything about Roberson. If he is a special wing defender, that is definitely a plus.

[KendrickPerkins]

The only two teams I'm "sold" on are the Thunder and Spurs.

The only proven teams in the conference.

Clippers haven't made it past the second round, and adding two cancerous players probably won't change that.

That choke against the Rockets is all-time bad. This clippers team may go down as the biggest chokers ever. We'll see what they pull this year.

But don't ever put your team above mine. You retarded homer.

OKC is DEEPER than LAC, which is what makes this even sadder. They have two top 5 players AND better depth.

Your team plays Austin Rivers significant minutes. That's all that needs to be said.

What an insult to the basketball community saying you think the Clippers are better than OKC, ON PAPER.

What a ****ing insult to everyone's intelligence. Idiotic homer.

[RightToCensor]

Beverley | Lawson
Harden | Thornton | McDaniels
Ariza | Brewer | Dekker
Motiejunas | Jones | Harrell
Howard | Capela

proven players at every positional rotation
literally no holes anywhere

[spiegel]

Lawson/Beverley/Terry
Harden/Marcus Thornton/Kj McDaniels
Ariza/Brewer/Dekker
Montiunes/Jones
Howard/Capela/Chuck Hayes.

If Lawson comes off the pine they could roll with a second unit of
Lawson
Thornton
Brewer
Jones
Capela.

That is deep but the Spurs frontcourt of Kawahi, Aldridge, West, Diaw and Duncan surpasses anything so far that I've seen. The Spurs backcourt dosent scare me though.I cant see anyone beating a healthy Spurs team in a 7 game series.

[superteamtheory]

1. Spurs and it's not even close, this on paper is one of the most stacked squads ever..

PG - future hall of famer
SG - one of league's best 3 shooters, decent defender
SF - the poor man's Scottie Pippen (superior to 2015 FMVP Andre Iggy, a crackhead's Pippen), Kawhi is the Spurs' new best player, 2014 FMVP and a reigning DPOY who is about to become an all-star with an improved offence
PF - LaMarcus Aldridge, the top free agent of 2015
C - Tim ****ing Duncan, was playing like an MVP candidate at times in 2015 playoffs so no he's not too old

with that starting 5, your bench is irrelevant but guess what? Manu is your sub at the 2, David West for Duncan, you can play Kawhi and Aldridge all game if you want, and your various other backups are serviceable

[Genaro]

Cavs. Absolutely no excuses.

[rmt]

The only two teams I'm "sold" on are the Thunder and Spurs.

The only proven teams in the conference.

Clippers haven't made it past the second round, and adding two cancerous players probably won't change that.

That choke against the Rockets is all-time bad. This clippers team may go down as the biggest chokers ever. We'll see what they pull this year.

But don't ever put your team above mine. You retarded homer.

OKC is DEEPER than LAC, which is what makes this even sadder. They have two top 5 players AND better depth.

Your team plays Austin Rivers significant minutes. That's all that needs to be said.

What an insult to the basketball community saying you think the Clippers are better than OKC, ON PAPER.

What a ****ing insult to everyone's intelligence. Idiotic homer.

C'mon - now who's being insulting to the NBA CHAMPIONS? How is GSW not proven??

[KendrickPerkins]

C'mon - now who's being insulting to the NBA CHAMPIONS? How is GSW not proven??
They beat teams OKC and Spurs always beat...

They haven't beat SAS or OKC so therefore they haven't proven anything.

Memphis beat a Westbrook less Thunder team, which doesn't count...

OKC and SAS are the only proven teams. And will likely meet in a rubber match WCF to see who's top dog. :cheers:

[fragokota]

Gsw
Sas
Cle
Hou
Lac
Okc

[rmt]

They beat teams OKC and Spurs always beat...

They haven't beat SAS or OKC so therefore they haven't proven anything.

Memphis beat a Westbrook less Thunder team, which doesn't count...

OKC and SAS are the only proven teams. And will likely meet in a rubber match WCF to see who's top dog. :cheers:

I've got news for you: the history books say that Spurs and GSW have won championships. GSW are proven and deserving of respect. They are the champs until beaten next playoffs. OKC has won nothing.

[KendrickPerkins]

I've got news for you: the history books say that Spurs and GSW have won championships. GSW are proven and deserving of respect. They are the champs until beaten next playoffs. OKC has won nothing.
You look at the history books like a retard and I'll look at context and use logic.

If you think GSW are above OKC then you're retarded just like the OP.

In a series they can't beat OKC. Smart fans know this.

[Kingwillball]

Cavs if healthy are gonna be tough to handle best all around player plus elite scoring PG and PF plus great size rebounding,shooting and good defense. They can go big or small with equal effectiveness.

[LoneyROY7]

Fudge, why you goin all Meek on me bruh?

Back when n*ggas reach it was for the weapon, nowadays n*ggas reach just to sell dey records. :facepalm

[penny4president]

cavs....

[rmt]

You look at the history books like a retard and I'll look at context and use logic.

If you think GSW are above OKC then you're retarded just like the OP.

In a series they can't beat OKC. Smart fans know this.

I did not say that I thought GSW is above OKC or vice versa. I am refuting your statement that only SAS and OKC are proven in the West. All NBA champions are proven.

[KendrickPerkins]

I did not say that I thought GSW is above OKC or vice versa. I am refuting your statement that only SAS and OKC are proven in the West. All NBA champions are proven.
Except when you use CONTEXT.

OKC isn't proven because they lost to the 2012 Heat but GS is proven because they beat a loveless irving less Cavs. Beating the Clippers and Rockets... who routinely get stomped by OKC

Ok.

Yep, they're proven. OKC isn't. Great point. Great convo. Good stuff. You got it.

[rmt]

Except when you use CONTEXT.

OKC isn't proven because they lost to the 2012 Heat but GS is proven because they beat a loveless irving less Cavs. Beating the Clippers and Rockets... who routinely get stomped by OKC

Ok.

Yep, they're proven. OKC isn't. Great point. Great convo. Good stuff. You got it.

No team has control over who they meet (except in the first round) - you play who is in front of you. Just as OKC (or Cavs) don't control injuries. Simply because team x should (or normally) beat team y, doesn't mean it happens.

For example, even Kerr knew that SA was a bad matchup for his team, but Spurs just didn't get past LAC to advance vs HOU and then GSW. Such is life. You win some and you lose some. Just because you think GSW lucked out doesn't change the fact that they are the NBA champions and therefore proven.

[kshutts1]

Except when you use CONTEXT.

OKC isn't proven because they lost to the 2012 Heat but GS is proven because they beat a loveless irving less Cavs. Beating the Clippers and Rockets... who routinely get stomped by OKC

Ok.

Yep, they're proven. OKC isn't. Great point. Great convo. Good stuff. You got it.
You have done a really good job of quickly becoming one of the five worst posters on this site.

I truly mean it when I say congratulations. Because I find it hard to believe that someone could be as petty and belittling and purposefully offensive as you are without making a concerted effort.

#backhandedcompliment?morelikeroundhousecompliment

[brownmamba00]

Miami looks stacked af tho

[KendrickPerkins]

No team has control over who they meet (except in the first round) - you play who is in front of you. Just as OKC (or Cavs) don't control injuries. Simply because team x should (or normally) beat team y, doesn't mean it happens.

For example, even Kerr knew that SA was a bad matchup for his team, but Spurs just didn't get past LAC to advance vs HOU and then GSW. Such is life. You win some and you lose some. Just because you think GSW lucked out doesn't change the fact that they are the NBA champions and therefore proven.
Dude, it's simple. Even for a dumb guy like you.

LOOK.. Golden State was completely healthy in the playoffs.... great

BUT they didn't beat any healthy championship teams.

If the Cavs were healthy they would've stomped Golden State. We all saw Golden State crumble in the finals against a shitty broken down Cavs squad.

There's really never been a situation like that. Where a team glides to the finals against average competition only to play a team without two of their three best players and yet still barely manage to hold on and win...

To me, they didn't prove a thing. They just proved that being healthy is sometimes the most important aspect of basketball.

I give them an A for staying healthy and a D for winning it all. (considering how they did it... struggling against a team they should've swept)

Maybe when they actually beat a healthy OKC, SAS, CLE, then they can say they've proven something. Until then, they're just the default champs that nobody takes seriously.

[ArbitraryWater]

How do we want to define "best"?

Most likely to win the title?
Deepest?
Best talent, regardless of fit?
Best fit, regardless of talent?

best roster from top heavy to depth + how they fit together

I think:

GSW
LAC
SAS
HOU
OKC
MIA
CLE

The first tier.

[rmt]

Dude, it's simple. Even for a dumb guy like you.

LOOK.. Golden State was completely healthy in the playoffs.... great

BUT they didn't beat any healthy championship teams.

If the Cavs were healthy they would've stomped Golden State. We all saw Golden State crumble in the finals against a shitty broken down Cavs squad.

There's really never been a situation like that. Where a team glides to the finals against average competition only to play a team without two of their three best players and yet still barely manage to hold on and win...

To me, they didn't prove a thing. They just proved that being healthy is sometimes the most important aspect of basketball.

I give them an A for staying healthy and a D for winning it all. (considering how they did it... struggling against a team they should've swept)

Maybe when they actually beat a healthy OKC, SAS, CLE, then they can say they've proven something. Until then, they're just the default champs that nobody takes seriously.

First of all, I'm not a dude - you really shouldn't make assumptions on a message board. Whether I'm dumb or not is up for debate :roll:

It's takes a lot of things coming together to win a championship. First and foremost, it takes everyone being healthy and playing well at the right time. It takes luck. A host of things have to go just right for it to happen. I get that as an OKC fan, you're frustrated, but you don't have to disparage other teams when things come together for them. And the history books are on GSW side - they are NBA champions regardless of what you think. Don't worry Durant/Westbrook's time will come - patience.

[GIF REACTION]

First of all, I'm not a dude - you really shouldn't make assumptions on a message board. Whether I'm dumb or not is up for debate :roll:

It's takes a lot of things coming together to win a championship. First and foremost, it takes everyone being healthy and playing well at the right time. It takes luck. A host of things have to go just right for it to happen. I get that as an OKC fan, you're frustrated, but you don't have to disparage other teams when things come together for them. And the history books are on GSW side - they are NBA champions regardless of what you think. Don't worry Durant/Westbrook's time will come - patience.
are you a woman?

PM me

[KendrickPerkins]

First of all, I'm not a dude - you really shouldn't make assumptions on a message board. Whether I'm dumb or not is up for debate :roll:

It's takes a lot of things coming together to win a championship. First and foremost, it takes everyone being healthy and playing well at the right time. It takes luck. A host of things have to go just right for it to happen. I get that as an OKC fan, you're frustrated, but you don't have to disparage other teams when things come together for them. And the history books are on GSW side - they are NBA champions regardless of what you think. Don't worry Durant/Westbrook's time will come - patience.
:roll:

Ok, Caitlyn. You're not a dude. Whatever, man. In 2015 you can be whatever you want. I sure as hell don't care who you identify with.

But we're talking ball here, son. Warriors aren't a proven team yet, until they beat OKC or SAS in the playoffs.

That's just the way it works buddy.

[LONGTIME]

First of all, I'm not a dude - you really shouldn't make assumptions on a message board. Whether I'm dumb or not is up for debate :roll:

It's takes a lot of things coming together to win a championship. First and foremost, it takes everyone being healthy and playing well at the right time. It takes luck. A host of things have to go just right for it to happen. I get that as an OKC fan, you're frustrated, but you don't have to disparage other teams when things come together for them. And the history books are on GSW side - they are NBA champions regardless of what you think. Don't worry Durant/Westbrook's time will come - patience.

:coleman: What are you?

[Lebron23]

:coleman: What are you?


She's a woman.

[rezznor]

:oldlol: I wonder how many pms rmt just got. The thirst is strong on ish

[KendrickPerkins]

She's a woman.
It would actually make sense.

The basketball IQ from rmt has never been very high. And "he" always submits when under attack instead of fighting back. Feminine behavior.

I'm convinced it's a tranny but not ruling out that it could be a very very sheltered women.

[LONGTIME]

She's a woman.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/abr.gif

[West-Side]

:roll:

Ok, Caitlyn. You're not a dude. Whatever, man. In 2015 you can be whatever you want. I sure as hell don't care who you identify with.

But we're talking ball here, son. Warriors aren't a proven team yet, until they beat OKC or SAS in the playoffs.

That's just the way it works buddy.

:facepalm :wtf:

67 win season; NBA champions.
Why would they need to prove themselves against a team that wasn't able to do the same last 5 years?

[GIF REACTION]

We are already chatting.

[KendrickPerkins]

Does anyone else find it weird that a 7 year poster finally decided to "come out of the closet" so to speak...

Do you guys think she was trying to make a move on me? That she felt that she NEEDED to make it known to me that I was indeed talking to a female...

She attracted to me THROUGH the internet... my personality turns her on..

so a 7 year secret finally comes to the surface. Because she maybe thought I'd start white knighting her or something?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[West-Side]

That's how you know I'm posting with a bunch of virgins.
The thread goes from discussing the deepest rosters to harassing a female poster. :facepalm

[ClipperRevival]

Hey Kendrickdumbass,

Do me a favor and stop posting in MY thread. You hijacked a perfectly constructive thread with your childish, belittling posts. You obviously have no idea on how to argue constructively. That requires schooling and education, something you lack. Now go on little kid and hijack a different thread.

[KendrickPerkins]

Hey Kendrickdumbass,

Do me a favor and stop posting in MY thread. You hijacked a perfectly constructive thread with your childish, belittling posts. You obviously have no idea on how to argue constructively. That requires schooling and education, something you lack. Now go on little kid and hijack a different thread.
yeah, sorry I ethered your mood with logic. How inconsiderate of me.

Sorry I called out your shitty team for being perennial 2nd round chokers while saying the only two teams to trust are OKC and SAS...

It's not like you're the retarded homer who pretends LAC is better on paper than OKC.... nah. YOU'RE the educated one, right? You're the one that knows whats up.

Not like this thread will be bumped a year from now to expose your homer retardation. Right?

[KendrickPerkins]

That's how you know I'm posting with a bunch of virgins.
The thread goes from discussing the deepest rosters to harassing a female poster. :facepalm
Because it's so out of the blue...

why after 7 years does she finally need to make that known? This isn't the first time "shes" been called a dude.

But its the first time she ever clarified that.

It's because of me and my alpha personality. Though I wouldn't touch the repulsive animal with a 10 foot pole I am flattered.

[r0drig0lac]

Spurs, and it is not even close

[ArbitraryWater]

:coleman: What are you?

:biggums:






Anddddddddddddd rmt ain't coming back to ISH anymore :lol



Y'all creeps

[MellowYellow]

The only two teams I'm "sold" on are the Thunder and Spurs.

The only proven teams in the conference.

Clippers haven't made it past the second round, and adding two cancerous players probably won't change that.

That choke against the Rockets is all-time bad. This clippers team may go down as the biggest chokers ever. We'll see what they pull this year.

But don't ever put your team above mine. You retarded homer.

OKC is DEEPER than LAC, which is what makes this even sadder. They have two top 5 players AND better depth.

Your team plays Austin Rivers significant minutes. That's all that needs to be said.

What an insult to the basketball community saying you think the Clippers are better than OKC, ON PAPER.

What a ****ing insult to everyone's intelligence. Idiotic homer.

Im not sold on the Thunder staying healthy, Durant has T-mac like fall off due to injuries written all over him.

[triangleoffense]

Bro SA is stacked GTFO if they aren't 1st on paper and even in practice..

West/Parker/Ginobli/Duncan/LMA

GTFO squad

[BlakFrankWhite]

Lol...at comparing Durant with that bum T-Mac

[rmt]

Does anyone else find it weird that a 7 year poster finally decided to "come out of the closet" so to speak...

Do you guys think she was trying to make a move on me? That she felt that she NEEDED to make it known to me that I was indeed talking to a female...

She attracted to me THROUGH the internet... my personality turns her on..

so a 7 year secret finally comes to the surface. Because she maybe thought I'd start white knighting her or something?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You're the one who called me a dude and dumb guy. It's not the first time I've mentioned I'm female - you just haven't been paying attention. Don't think my husband would appreciate me making a move on anyone but him.

This board is a welcome distraction for me. I belong to a tennis board too and believe it or not, they are even MORE vicious when it comes to their favorites - guess it's because it's individual - not team (where more variables are involved). Peace - it's just basketball and a long time till training camp and US Open.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Westbrook/Payne
Morrow/Roberson/Waiters
KD/Singler
Ibaka/Mcgary
Kanter/Adams

Championship Cruise 2016

[bdreason]

Thunder.

[SOD 21]

My vote goes to Oklahoma City because they've made at least the conference finals the last three times that they have been healthy, which they weren't last year or in 2013, and this year's version of their team is the deepest yet. It is just a matter of whether they stay healthy or not.

There are other teams with slightly less talent but their pieces fit better like Golden State and San Antonio. But the talent difference between Oklahoma City, Golden State, San Antonio, Cleveland, LAC and Houston is minimal though. It should be a great season though, too bad some of these teams other than the Cavs don't play in the Eastern conference.

Can't wait for the season to begin and let's hope injuries don't ravage some of the top teams like last year like OKC, Cleveland or even Houston. I haven't even mentioned Memphis yet, which could be the second best team in the conference if they played in the Eastern conference.

[MEB2kDeez]

Cavs

Rockets

Hell, over half the teams in the west look good if their cards are played right.

[FLDFSU]

best roster from top heavy to depth + how they fit together

I think:

GSW
LAC
SAS
HOU
OKC
MIA
CLE

The first tier.

Finally someone mentions it. If we didn't have a idiotic head coach we would be no lower than third in the East.

[Cleverness]

1. Spurs
2. Cavs, if Kyrie can stay healthy
3. Warriors
4. Clippers
5. OKC, if Durant is healthy
6. Rockets

all very close... even the Rockets now that they have Ty Lawson

Cavs, of course, have a free pass to the finals, so they have the best chance of winning the chip

[KendrickPerkins]

Im not sold on the Thunder staying healthy, Durant has T-mac like fall off due to injuries written all over him.
No, he really doesn't.

Maybe in your trolling mind it does. In your stupid, desolate, worthless mind he does.

But here back in reality he and T-Mac are nothing alike. Durant has a winning personality, a knack for hard work and perseverance. T-Mac was a loser through and through, and despite his injuries could've still been a big threat. But he lacks the personality for that.

And Durant has had one foot injury, yes there have been complications. Buts it 1 foot injury.

When his knees start tearing left and right like Roses, then we can talk about falling off.

[ArbitraryWater]

nice breakdown

My pick to win the title -- Spurs
My pick as favorites -- Cavs
Most talented, regardless of fit -- Thunder
Best fit, regardless of talent -- Warriors
Deepest -- .... this one is too hard

the fact you have those two different is a fundamental error in logic/thinking :lol

Cavs are your favorites to win, but Spurs are your favorites to win? what? Or are you simply re-stating that betting odds favor CLE?

[Rocketswin2013]

Cleveland. I expect LeBron to get acclimated with his weight and have a bounce back year because of better shooting.
SA and OKC are really close along with GS.

The Rockets have a chance to be really, really good and so do the Clippers.

I genuinely don't know the best team will be, but my bet is Cleveland. I don't think I've ever wanted the league to stay healthy as much as I want it to be this upcoming season. It could be so competitive.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Does anyone else find it weird that a 7 year poster finally decided to "come out of the closet" so to speak...

Do you guys think she was trying to make a move on me? That she felt that she NEEDED to make it known to me that I was indeed talking to a female...

She attracted to me THROUGH the internet... my personality turns her on..

so a 7 year secret finally comes to the surface. Because she maybe thought I'd start white knighting her or something?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

This guy has gone on a deranged episode after finding out a poster was a chick because he thinks she likes him or something :oldlol:

My god talk to a chick in real life once in a while and it won't be such a big deal if it happens on the internet :roll:

[ClipperRevival]

This retard is over here talking about depth.

As if Stephenson and Josh ****ing Smith will make a big difference and put them over the hump. :oldlol:

OKC is probably deeper than they've ever been right now. My God is this guy a freaking DUMBASS. :facepalm

Look dumbo. First off, rings are won by superstars. And the Clips have a nice trio in CP3, Blake and Griffin. Blake and DJ are just enterting their primes.

Also, our two biggest weaknesses were weak bench and no wing players. We addressed both big time. Of course since you don't follow the Clips, you would have no idea that our starters were lights out. But once our bench came in, they regularly gave up leads. We still have the same starters except we replaced Barnes with Pierce.

As for the bench, we added Smith, Stephenson and Wes Johnson. Smith and Stephenson could be starting on a lot of teams. Now I understand that we have a lot of mental cases and if they don't focus, we won't maximize our talents and we lose to superior teams. But if tnese guys do focus, we have about as much talent as anyone, at least on paper. I kniw that's a big if and it's up to Doc to motivate them.

Plus, another issue we had was choking issues. Having a guy like Pierce will help come playoff time.

Got that dumbo?

[Fudge]

PG: Westbrook/Augustin/Payne
SG: Morrow/Waiters/Roberson
SF: Durant/Singler
PF: Ibaka/McGary/Collison
C: Kanter/Adams

:eek:

[rmt]

Look dumbo. First off, rings are won by superstars. And the Clips have a nice trio in CP3, Blake and Griffin. Blake and DJ are just enterting their primes.

Also, our two biggest weaknesses were weak bench and no wing players. We addressed both big time. Of course since you don't follow the Clips, you would have no idea that our starters were lights out. But once our bench came in, they regularly gave up leads. We still have the same starters except we replaced Barnes with Pierce.

As for the bench, we added Smith, Stephenson and Wes Johnson. Smith and Stephenson could be starting on a lot of teams. Now I understand that we have a lot of mental cases and if they don't focus, we won't maximize our talents and we lose to superior teams. But if tnese guys do focus, we have about as much talent as anyone, at least on paper. I kniw that's a big if and it's up to Doc to motivate them.

Plus, another issue we had was choking issues. Having a guy like Pierce will help come playoff time.

Got that dumbo?

Agreed. Your bench weakness has been addressed. The addition of Pierce is huge - he brings clutchness, franchise player and championship experience - a meltdown like last playoff vs HOU won't happen with him. Also, Lance is a wild card - if Doc can harness him - scary.

[dabigbaws]

PG: Westbrook/Augustin/Payne
SG: Morrow/Waiters/Roberson
SF: Durant/Singler
PF: Ibaka/McGary/Collison
C: Kanter/Adams

:eek:

holy ****, what a great team

best shooting team in the league

kanter ibaka durant morrow - all snipers

[dabigbaws]

stephenson is a retard

pierce in THIRTY SEVEN

jordan and smith shoot below 50% from the line

griffin and paul massive chokers

who else? not scary at all

[KendrickPerkins]

holy ****, what a great team

best shooting team in the league

kanter ibaka durant morrow - all snipers
This Payne kid is a very good shooter.

In 3 years he'll be a top 10 PG

[KendrickPerkins]

OKC has goons on their squad.

Waiters is a goon.

Morrow is a goon.

Westbrook is a goon.

Durant is a goon.

Ibaka is a goon.

Adams is a goon.


Seriously, these guys are goons out there on the court. You can't beat them when healthy. Too talented, too competitive, too much goon.

[tpols]

OKC has goons on their squad.

Waiters is a goon.

Morrow is a goon.

Westbrook is a goon.

Durant is a goon.

Ibaka is a goon.

Adams is a goon.


Seriously, these guys are goons out there on the court. You can't beat them when healthy. Too talented, too competitive, too much goon.

Thunders brand of iso ref ball is outdated.. true team teams like spurs or warriors would and will just work them.