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jzek
07-22-2015, 05:11 PM
A fan (illegally) tapes Cavs vs Bulls game in 1995, sitting right next to the Bulls bench. Check out the trash talk on the court, Phil Jackson's screaming, MJ shuts up a heckler, and more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i09aE9Sq7qc

Quote from Reddit: "Talk about getting motivation out of nothing. Jordan got motivation from a 50 year old dad with a beer belly. Imagine him playing for a Larry O'brien trophy, no wonder he never lost a finals series or never went to a game 7 in a finals.

This is what people talk about when they say MJ had unreal competitiveness"

highwhey
07-22-2015, 05:27 PM
The rawness of this video reminds of porn videos when the cameraman decides to zoom into the ****** and you can see the prickly shaven lips as well as other skin imperfections that yields a raw image.

branslowski
07-22-2015, 05:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2vNyQAf4tY

Kobe doe:bowdown:

kamil
07-22-2015, 05:33 PM
Awesome footage.

Foster5k
07-22-2015, 05:50 PM
Same fan also had rare footage of LeBron during the 2011 Finals, however Nike quickly confiscated said video.

kamil
07-22-2015, 05:56 PM
Same fan also had rare footage of LeBron during the 2011 Finals, however Nike quickly confiscated said video.

LMAO!

Crystallas
07-22-2015, 06:11 PM
http://www.johnteehan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Buscemi.jpg

Hey Yo
07-22-2015, 06:14 PM
Something doesn't add up with this guys story.

He says this is 1995. MJ only played @ Cleveland once in the 17 reg. season games he played after he came back. Proceeds to say MJ had a good game, scored 23 in the 2nd half after only scoring 6 in the first.

Boxscore shows MJ finished with 21pts. :confusedshrug:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199504090CLE.html

sdot_thadon
07-22-2015, 06:25 PM
Something doesn't add up with this guys story.

He says this is 1995. MJ only played @ Cleveland once in the 17 reg. season games he played after he came back. Proceeds to say MJ had a good game, scored 23 in the 2nd half after only scoring 6 in the first.

Boxscore shows MJ finished with 21pts. :confusedshrug:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199504090CLE.html
I think it's the following season, he said it was in november.

Hey Yo
07-22-2015, 06:42 PM
I think it's the following season, he said it was in november.
I didn't see Rodman on the floor and thought it was still the 94-95 season.

Saw where he didn't play that night.

Thanks.........

ImmortalNemesis
07-22-2015, 06:46 PM
Something doesn't add up with this guys story.

He says this is 1995. MJ only played @ Cleveland once in the 17 reg. season games he played after he came back. Proceeds to say MJ had a good game, scored 23 in the 2nd half after only scoring 6 in the first.

Boxscore shows MJ finished with 21pts. :confusedshrug:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199504090CLE.html
The year 1995, not the season, as in 1994-95.

This is the one:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199511090CLE.html

At the end, when he questioned MJ, he said their record was now 4-0, matching up with this box score.

ImmortalNemesis
07-22-2015, 06:47 PM
I didn't see Rodman on the floor and thought it was still the 94-95 season.

Saw where he didn't play that night.

Thanks.........
MJ mentioned Rodman in the end during the interview.

Angel Face
07-22-2015, 06:55 PM
Video not available, got more links?

mehyaM24
07-22-2015, 06:56 PM
Video not available, got more links?

it works fine unless you're in canada. :lol

Angel Face
07-22-2015, 07:02 PM
it works fine unless you're in canada. :lol

It works now, after transfering to my PC. This old I pad that I'm using was the problem. Too slow and hangs. :facepalm

RedBlackAttack
07-22-2015, 07:05 PM
The year 1995, not the season, as in 1994-95.

This is the one:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199511090CLE.html

At the end, when he questioned MJ, he said their record was now 4-0, matching up with this box score.
John Amaechi with 11 points on 5-of-6 shooting. Dat efficiency. :bowdown:

3ball
07-22-2015, 08:39 PM
A couple things about this outstanding video.

The best part is at the 8:42 mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i09aE9Sq7qc&t=8m42s) - MJ destroys heckling fan.. If that happened today, that would be the story of the night on twitter and in social media... But back then, that was standard, everyday procudure for MJ.

Then at the 10:42 mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i09aE9Sq7qc&t=10m42s), the video shows how MJ was all business the entire game when he was sitting on the bench..

But for pippen, it was all laughs and jokes the entire game when he was on the bench - this makes sense - it's all fun and giggles when all the pressure is on MJ.. :confusedshrug

And1AllDay
07-23-2015, 02:39 AM
Amazing footage. Very cool stuff. I wonder how many other videos are out there like this? Maybe not this cool, but something close to it.

And1AllDay
07-23-2015, 02:43 AM
John Amaechi with 11 points on 5-of-6 shooting. Dat efficiency. :bowdown:

:bowdown:

JimmyMcAdocious
07-23-2015, 02:59 AM
The creep vibe is real. You just know he puts that dirty towel, he still hasn't washed, in his mouth and touches himself every night thinking about MJ. Fun watch tho.

http://i.imgur.com/jZCOEfN.gif

f0und
07-23-2015, 11:07 AM
dam its like he teleported

https://youtu.be/i09aE9Sq7qc?t=4m24s

ClipperRevival
07-23-2015, 11:20 AM
While MJ was always ultra confident, let's not forget that when this video was shot, he had just been eliminated in the 1994-95 playoffs by the Magic. He was 32 going on 33 and his future wasn't nearly as certain. Most wing players start to fall off at about this age. But we know what happened. :bowdown:

RedBlackAttack
07-23-2015, 01:09 PM
I saw his last game in Cleveland during the second half of his really strange 2002-03 season with the Wizards. It was weird, because Washington wasn't quite good enough to make the playoffs, in part because of that terrible Rip Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse trade that was made to allegedly appease Jordan and his UNC roots, but everyone wanted one last look at Jordan.

So, their last 30 or so games were basically a traveling tribute to Michael Jordan. The game was one of the last he ever played in the NBA (last couple weeks of the season iirc) and there were more Jordan jerseys in the crowd than Cavs gear by about a 10:1 ratio. He received several standing ovations in Cleveland that night... a place he had tortured since he first stepped into the league.

The most incredible part was that he was still pretty clearly the best player on the floor. I had seen him play in his prime and he was obviously a different player, but still very effective. I think he had something like 25/10. Just watching the way he controlled the game was something I will never forget. Especially back then before HD television, there are some things about the game you can't appreciate until you can see it unfold in front of you. It seemed like every move he made on a basketball court was calculated and he controlled wherever he happened to be on the floor.

Even as a lifelong Cavs fan, it was pretty cool to see one of Jordan's last games in the NBA.

Dro
07-23-2015, 03:54 PM
That was great footage, I really enjoyed that......

jstern
07-23-2015, 08:16 PM
I saw his last game in Cleveland during the second half of his really strange 2002-03 season with the Wizards. It was weird, because Washington wasn't quite good enough to make the playoffs, in part because of that terrible Rip Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse trade that was made to allegedly appease Jordan and his UNC roots, but everyone wanted one last look at Jordan.

So, their last 30 or so games were basically a traveling tribute to Michael Jordan. The game was one of the last he ever played in the NBA (last couple weeks of the season iirc) and there were more Jordan jerseys in the crowd than Cavs gear by about a 10:1 ratio. He received several standing ovations in Cleveland that night... a place he had tortured since he first stepped into the league.

The most incredible part was that he was still pretty clearly the best player on the floor. I had seen him play in his prime and he was obviously a different player, but still very effective. I think he had something like 25/10. Just watching the way he controlled the game was something I will never forget. Especially back then before HD television, there are some things about the game you can't appreciate until you can see it unfold in front of you. It seemed like every move he made on a basketball court was calculated and he controlled wherever he happened to be on the floor.

Even as a lifelong Cavs fan, it was pretty cool to see one of Jordan's last games in the NBA.

Being from Cleveland, how does Lebron compare in those things you mentioned, that you have to watch live in order to appreciate.

RedBlackAttack
07-23-2015, 09:21 PM
Being from Cleveland, how does Lebron compare in those things you mentioned, that you have to watch live in order to appreciate.
Completely different.

Watching a prime Jordan live and in-person was what I would have imagined seeing Mikhail Baryshnikov in a ballet, except this guy was able to somehow do it on a basketball court against fierce competition. Jordan made even the most elementary layup, turnaround jumper or drive to the basket look like a work of art.

I am going to use the dunk contest to illustrate a point about seeing Jordan live. When people say that all the dunks have "been done" and there is no point, I think they're missing a major part of what makes a special dunk truly special. It isn't necessarily the style or technical difficulty of it, but the artistic/beauty of a great dunk. That, to me, is why all his dunks in the contests have stood the test of time.

Watching Jordan in 1992, which was the best version of him I ever saw live, was like watching an artist paint a blank canvas. The statistics, his basketball IQ, the crazy competitiveness and all of that aside... I've watched a lot of great basketball players live and in-person, but no one that I've seen has been able to capture the artistic side of the game in such a dominating way and I think that is part of the reason why Jordan transcended the sport and popular culture.

He was all of the things you've heard ... but especially seeing it live, he perfected the beauty of the game.


LeBron, on the other hand, is basketball's answer to Bo Jackson, except he's doing so in what may go down as the most durable body in NBA history and one of the true ironmen (relative to minutes/games played/health) in sports history.

Unlike Jordan, seeing LeBron live isn't necessarily poetry in motion. He is like a basketball machine that has been programmed to dominate on the court. Don't get me wrong... watching a guy the size of Karl Malone moving around the floor with such speed and control is pretty damn awe-inspiring.

But, his brute force and simple athletic dominance over the field, comprised of some of the other greatest athletes in the world btw, makes contemplate things like the limits of the human body, average freaky genetics vs. THE genetic freak of nature, and how he was still born with some innate ability to read the floor and react a split second before everyone else. It is like he was born to play that specific game.


It's a little abstract I guess, but I'd say the difference in their respective dominance -- at least watching them in-person -- is more about approach/style as opposed to any one particular aspect of their games. I could go through that, too, but it would go even longer than this post. They differ more than they overlap in just about every aspect of the game.

I'd say poetry/art vs. machine-like precision is the best way I could describe seeing them in their primes.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
07-23-2015, 09:33 PM
Poetry/Art vs Machine-like precision ... I like that, RBA.

You could also add the machine-like approach has had some serious malfunctions.

julizaver
07-24-2015, 05:01 AM
A fan (illegally) tapes Cavs vs Bulls game in 1995, sitting right next to the Bulls bench. Check out the trash talk on the court, Phil Jackson's screaming, MJ shuts up a heckler, and more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i09aE9Sq7qc

Quote from Reddit: "Talk about getting motivation out of nothing. Jordan got motivation from a 50 year old dad with a beer belly. Imagine him playing for a Larry O'brien trophy, no wonder he never lost a finals series or never went to a game 7 in a finals.

This is what people talk about when they say MJ had unreal competitiveness"

So revealing, MJ the player, the competitor and the superstar taken first hand - in just 14 minutes. And the real pro-game from the first row - so much different then on TV, shows the small things which can not be seen during TV. Both teams played defense and don't play soft.
Even if MJ was not exactly the same player he was prior to 1993 this video shows how quick he was and how hard is to guard him.
Also shows a lot about Bulls bench - and the way Pippen behave, it seems that he had the love of his teamates, he celebrated plays as if he made it.

jstern
07-24-2015, 10:43 PM
Completely different.

Watching a prime Jordan live and in-person was what I would have imagined seeing Mikhail Baryshnikov in a ballet, except this guy was able to somehow do it on a basketball court against fierce competition. Jordan made even the most elementary layup, turnaround jumper or drive to the basket look like a work of art.

I am going to use the dunk contest to illustrate a point about seeing Jordan live. When people say that all the dunks have "been done" and there is no point, I think they're missing a major part of what makes a special dunk truly special. It isn't necessarily the style or technical difficulty of it, but the artistic/beauty of a great dunk. That, to me, is why all his dunks in the contests have stood the test of time.

Watching Jordan in 1992, which was the best version of him I ever saw live, was like watching an artist paint a blank canvas. The statistics, his basketball IQ, the crazy competitiveness and all of that aside... I've watched a lot of great basketball players live and in-person, but no one that I've seen has been able to capture the artistic side of the game in such a dominating way and I think that is part of the reason why Jordan transcended the sport and popular culture.

He was all of the things you've heard ... but especially seeing it live, he perfected the beauty of the game.


LeBron, on the other hand, is basketball's answer to Bo Jackson, except he's doing so in what may go down as the most durable body in NBA history and one of the true ironmen (relative to minutes/games played/health) in sports history.

Unlike Jordan, seeing LeBron live isn't necessarily poetry in motion. He is like a basketball machine that has been programmed to dominate on the court. Don't get me wrong... watching a guy the size of Karl Malone moving around the floor with such speed and control is pretty damn awe-inspiring.

But, his brute force and simple athletic dominance over the field, comprised of some of the other greatest athletes in the world btw, makes contemplate things like the limits of the human body, average freaky genetics vs. THE genetic freak of nature, and how he was still born with some innate ability to read the floor and react a split second before everyone else. It is like he was born to play that specific game.


It's a little abstract I guess, but I'd say the difference in their respective dominance -- at least watching them in-person -- is more about approach/style as opposed to any one particular aspect of their games. I could go through that, too, but it would go even longer than this post. They differ more than they overlap in just about every aspect of the game.

I'd say poetry/art vs. machine-like precision is the best way I could describe seeing them in their primes.

Very interesting.

jstern
07-24-2015, 10:43 PM
The creep vibe is real. You just know he puts that dirty towel, he still hasn't washed, in his mouth and touches himself every night thinking about MJ. Fun watch tho.

http://i.imgur.com/jZCOEfN.gif

This gif should be used often.