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Nick Young
07-23-2015, 08:47 AM
If you’re ever trapped in a burning building, just pray the firefighter climbing up to rescue you isn’t Rebecca Wax. Or someone like her, who’s been given an EZ-Pass through firefighting training for the sake of gender equity.

This week Wax, who repeatedly flunked the rigorous physical test required by the New York City Fire Department, will graduate anyway, The Post reported.

All over the nation, fire departments are easing physical standards, in response to litigation to increase the number of women firefighters.

It’s roiling fire departments, and the turmoil is a preview of what’s to come for the US military, which has committed to opening all combat roles to women by 2016.

Wax tried six times to pass New York’s Functional Skills Test within the 17-minute, 50-second deadline. Five times she couldn’t finish at all; on the sixth try, she needed 22 minutes. Women’s groups claim the test is needlessly difficult and unfairly bars women.

Trainees wearing 50 pounds of gear and breathing through an air tank must climb six stories, raise ladders, break down doors and drag a dummy through a dark tunnel, all at breakneck speed. Sounds like firefighting.

The city’s test is tougher than some tests elsewhere, but city buildings are higher. Nevertheless, Fire Commissioner Daniel Nigro gave Wax a pass because she had good performance on other measures, including academic tests.

Nigro wants to significantly boost the number of women in the FDNY — now only 0.5 percent of the rank-and-file — and he wants to do it before he’s staring at a court order.

Court orders are compelling Chicago to relax its standards. Two federal class-action lawsuits brought by women who flunked that city’s firefighting tests claimed that the exams required more than what is actually needed to be an effective firefighter.

Women account for 3.4 percent of the Chicago force, compared with 5.7 percent of firefighters nationally. Chicago authorities settled the case last month, admitting into training the previously rejected women and paying millions to others no longer eligible.

In Los Angeles, Mayor Eric Garcetti is plainly unhappy with this year’s all-male class of firefighting graduates.

There were four women among the 44 recruits who started last December, but they all dropped out.

Desperate to diversify, Garcetti paid the RAND Corp. a whopping $270,000 for advice. RAND’s brilliant insight was that LA should recruit women athletes who can take the grueling training. Well, duh!

That’s what San Marcos, Calif., learned upon hiring Siene Freeman.

Several other female recruits had washed out, but for her — a former marathoner and weight-lifter — the training was a piece of cake.

Municipalities that already have women firefighters are being hit with lawsuits.

But more often these are about sexual harassment rather than qualifications.

This year alone, Philadelphia, Tampa and at least a dozen other cities are being sued for allowing a culture of bawdy, suggestive behavior. Tampa’s fire department personnel chief, known as “Uncle Touchy,” just resigned after admitting he had hugged, massaged and flirted with female firefighters.

Many departments face the practical problem that firefighters — male and female — work 24 hour shifts, and sleep in an open bunk room, with no privacy curtains or separate changing area.

That’s hardly conducive for a professional working environment. Nigro says he is going to remedy these problems in New York.

Then again, the Tampa female firefighters are fanning the flames.

To raise money for burn victims, they put out a calendar. Trouble is, some of them posed in bikinis, sending a mixed message.

The touchy issue of women in traditional men’s occupations will be center stage this fall, when the Pentagon announces its “gender-neutral” rules for military assignments.

Some feminists argue that the Marine Corps’ grueling Combat Endurance Test is more of an “initiation rite” than a fair appraisal of physical ability, the same argument Wax’s supporters use about New York’s firefighting exam.

Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey ominously announced at a Pentagon briefing that if “a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain . . . does it really have to be that high?”

Military brass — like officials overseeing New York’s fire department — are too ready to lower standards, never mind the consequences in the field.

Is that really a victory for women?
http://nypost.com/2015/05/05/fdnys-unfit-the-perils-of-pushing-women-into-firefighting/




Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey ominously announced at a Pentagon briefing that if “a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain . . . does it really have to be that high?”
Yes you dumb phuck. Being a fireman or a marine requires you to be capable of above average feats of endurance and physical strength.

Let's put people's lives in danger and weaken our military units in order to fill quotas. Thanks Gender Studies academics! #FeminismFTW

sweggeh
07-23-2015, 09:02 AM
I'd gladly sacrifice my life in the name of gender equality.

You go Rebecca Wax!

UK2K
07-23-2015, 09:07 AM
Funny story...

In Houston, the blacks all got together and decided that the Lt's test for the fire department was racially biased (a test...racially biased...yeah I don't know either).

So what happened was, these black firemen sued, and it was determined that the test was in fact to difficult for blacks, so HFD promoted a bunch of blacks to Lieutenant despite them not being able to pass a written test that everyone else passes.

So now HFD has a ton of lieutenants, much more than they actually need, unqualified ones at that.

Political Correctness will get people killed.

Velocirap31
07-23-2015, 09:12 AM
People will die from this.

JohnnySic
07-23-2015, 09:13 AM
Funny story...

In Houston, the blacks all got together and decided that the Lt's test for the fire department was racially biased (a test...racially biased...yeah I don't know either).

So what happened was, these black firemen sued, and it was determined that the test was in fact to difficult for blacks, so HFD promoted a bunch of blacks to Lieutenant despite them not being able to pass a written test that everyone else passes.

So now HFD has a ton of lieutenants, much more than they actually need, unqualified ones at that.

Political Correctness will get people killed.
Reminds of that scene from American History X. :oldlol: :facepalm

UK2K
07-23-2015, 09:28 AM
People will die from this.

Which is why I am all for females being able to sign up for infantry IF, and ONLY IF, they can pass the same physical requirements that the men pass.

We are already dumbing down our school system to let stupid kids graduate (from high school in California) and to let stupid kids get into college (lowering the test requirements for minorities).

It's being done to the police departments, fire departments, the military (where the Marine Corps determined they need more female officers (so we promoted a bunch of unqualified females to lead Marines because, someone said to).

I see our country now and immediately think of that movie Idiocracy, where success is criticized (everyone gets a trophy!) and being mediocre (or worthless) is acceptable.

aj1987
07-23-2015, 09:52 AM
Which is why I am all for females being able to sign up for infantry IF, and ONLY IF, they can pass the same physical requirements that the men pass.

We are already dumbing down our school system to let stupid kids graduate (from high school in California) and to let stupid kids get into college (lowering the test requirements for minorities).

It's being done to the police departments, fire departments, the military (where the Marine Corps determined they need more female officers (so we promoted a bunch of unqualified females to lead Marines because, someone said to).

I see our country now and immediately think of that movie Idiocracy, where success is criticized (everyone gets a trophy!) and being mediocre (or worthless) is acceptable.
Idiocracy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/) feels like a documentary now.

UK2K
07-23-2015, 10:01 AM
Idiocracy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/) feels like a documentary now.

From the synopsis.... sound familiar?


a typical, idiot citizen of the American future, whose dwelling is full of junk food with a prominent, giant television screen that is covered with adverts


He is alarmed by the sights of the collapsing world (decaying buildings cabled to each other, mountains of garbage, a freeway that ends in a drop off, etc.)


him as Secretary of the Interior to correct the United States' food and crop shortages, dust bowl, crippled economy, mountains of garbage, and related matters.


Frito and the cameraman are distracted by a sale at a Starbucks chain brothel franchise;

ISHGoat
07-23-2015, 10:05 AM
Females have physical requirements lowered in positions that require using your body.

Blacks have academic and testing requirements lowered in positions that require using your brain.

I ****ing hope to god if any of you ever get shot that a fully qualified male chinese or indian doctor operates on you. Not some black lady (just an example, im not racist I play with black teammates) that only got in because they needed to "not be racist"

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NumberSix
07-23-2015, 01:48 PM
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This is the actual SYSTEMIC racism. Blacks with the LOWEST scores are literally more likely to get accepted than whites or Asians that with the HIGHEST scores.

ISHGoat
07-23-2015, 01:56 PM
This is the actual SYSTEMIC racism. Blacks with the LOWEST scores are literally more likely to get accepted than whites or Asians that with the HIGHEST scores.

Yep. If youre white or asian, it is in your best interest to leave the race section blank whenever possible if youre applying anything intellectually competitive.

Or you can just claim that youre black anyways and DARE them to challenge you. "If people can alter their sex and identify as a woman when they were clearly born a man, then I can paint my skin and identify as a black even though I was clearly born white."

RidonKs
07-23-2015, 02:19 PM
did anybody read blink by gladwell? i think that book opens on the instincts of firefighters and the array of blind (or at least impaired) judgments they have to make, on the fly, before the brain can process, to save a serious number of lives. pretty incredible stuff.

the strength thing is uncontroversial, though demonstrating that there is no work in a fire department to be done by can't get ur wait up is much harder.

but what about the intuition required? are men and women different in that capacity?

aj1987
07-23-2015, 05:00 PM
From the synopsis.... sound familiar?
Present day America. :lol

The sad part? It's getting worse.


**** feminism, **** affirmative action, etc..

Bitch, ******, gook, curry, etc., want equal rights, strive for it. Reducing the threshold to get a position is beyond retarded.

Feminist women are among the worst among them. Bitches want equal pay and similar jobs while being under qualified in every possible way... :facepalm

JEFFERSON MONEY
07-23-2015, 06:55 PM
This is the actual SYSTEMIC racism. Blacks with the LOWEST scores are literally more likely to get accepted than whites or Asians that with the HIGHEST scores.

Ben Carson rocks though.

They've also added additional psychology and sociology ?'s and made the test EVEN LONGER.

You know "Soft sciences" which distract one from allocating the majority of their mental energies on actual observations MADE EMPIRICALLY BY THE MINDS OF BEARDED DUDES IN LABS TRYING TO DISSECT THE REALITY OF THINGS AND THUS ALLOWING YOU A SUPERIOR COMPREHENSION OF THE HUMAN BODY.

I guess they need higher EQ on their doctors? :confusedshrug:

Thinking this is all the work of the Higher Power and our complaining is futile.. There's no logical rationale seeing as how nearly every adult.. tries to do things the most effective, efficient way possible and wants to hire the best MAN for the job.

And every policy refuted by Young defying this basic principle.

Centuries of identity stripping, oppression, browbeating, potential limiting and now the tides have turned for the ladies and colored folks of the world to receive their comeuppance.

And then they'll start to oppress Caucasian and Asian Patriarchal males. And they'll receive their comeuppance in the 22nd or 23rd century lulz.
And then it swings back to a meritocracy.

Everything Nick Young reports is right on, but.... it's impossible to stop!!

outbreak
07-23-2015, 07:05 PM
Terrible idea. I'm all for woman being able to hold the same jobs and same pay as a man but if they can't pass the existing physical/tests that all men are required to pass then they shouldn't be doing that job. It's not equality when they make concessions.

Nick Young
07-24-2015, 02:26 AM
Present day America. :lol

The sad part? It's getting worse.


**** feminism, **** affirmative action, etc..

Bitch, ******, gook, curry, etc., want equal rights, strive for it. Reducing the threshold to get a position is beyond retarded.

Feminist women are among the worst among them. Bitches want equal pay and similar jobs while being under qualified in every possible way... :facepalm
Women already get equal pay for doing the same work as men. The wage gap exists because women, under their own volition, are choosing to go in to fields that aren't very profitable financially, and women also on average take more days off from work and work less overtime than men. They also don't negotiate their salary as well as men do, on average.



If women actually did earn 77 to every dollar a man makes for doing the same job, every single business would employ only women. Businesses would be retarded to hire men when they can get someone to do the exact same job for 23% less pay.




People who believe in the gender wage gap are morons. Just because Obama said it, doesn't make it true.

Use your brains people.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html

NumberSix
07-24-2015, 03:01 AM
Women already get equal pay for doing the same work as men. The wage gap exists because women, under their own volition, are choosing to go in to fields that aren't very profitable financially, and women also on average take more days off from work and work less overtime then men. They also don't negotiate their salary as well as men.
Even if you look at doctors, like surgeons, the male doctors on average log around 1000 more hours per year than women. What kind of sexist piece of shit would think that one sex should get to work less for the same money?

9erempiree
07-24-2015, 03:37 AM
Which is why I am all for females being able to sign up for infantry IF, and ONLY IF, they can pass the same physical requirements that the men pass.

We are already dumbing down our school system to let stupid kids graduate (from high school in California) and to let stupid kids get into college (lowering the test requirements for minorities).

It's being done to the police departments, fire departments, the military (where the Marine Corps determined they need more female officers (so we promoted a bunch of unqualified females to lead Marines because, someone said to).

I see our country now and immediately think of that movie Idiocracy, where success is criticized (everyone gets a trophy!) and being mediocre (or worthless) is acceptable.

I was pretty shock to hear my friend telling me his kids' curriculum. His kids are in elementary and he gave me the rundown on what it takes to graduate.

I would have graduated high school early with today's standards.

It's not getting better for us either.

Smoke117
07-24-2015, 03:40 AM
Women are too weak to be firefighters...it's not prejudice...it's simple physics. If you can't carry your fellow firefighter out of a fire then you don't belong on the job. You don't see me trying to be the next victoria secrets model do you? Exactly. Feminazi's need to get pumped more so they aren't such angry big mouthed c@nts.

Women are always claiming something is unfair (no wonder they get along so well with the bbc...they have poor me stories to tell eachother after the ****ing)...do you see men lining up to be the best dick sucker in the world? Stick to what you are good at and we will do the same.