most mvps in nba history

[red1]

flashback of a thread from last year. arguably the greatest players in nba history:

1. Kareem - 6 MVPs

http://www.latimes.com/includes/projects/img/lakers/bio_photos/kareem_abdul_jabbar.jpg
http://punchdrunktwolves.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/kareem.jpg






2. MJ - 5 MVPs

http://5.kicksonfire.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/413.jpg
http://outsidethehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/jordan6.jpg






3. Russell - 5 MVPs

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/bill-russell/bill-russell-608.jpg
http://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/bill-russell-1355822.jpg






4. Wilt - 4 MVPs

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_THR3SZhbQ_E/TO08RrxaVxI/AAAAAAAAEHI/Xypvh-ndEb8/s1600/Wilt.jpg
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/624/429/wilttttttttttt_display_image.jpg






5. Lebron - 4 MVPs

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/10/775926011.jpg
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/164/files/2014/10/lebron-james-nba-dallas-mavericks-cleveland-cavaliers2.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

Nash 2

Shaq 1
Kobe 1
Oscar 1
Hakeem 1






/thread

[red1]

Nash 2

Shaq 1
Kobe 1
Oscar 1
Hakeem 1






/thread
kennethgriffin


/post

[Marchesk]

Moses Malone 3

http://img3.cache.netease.com/photo/0005/2013-06-16/91GVBP790AI90005.jpg

http://www.nasljerseys.com/ABA/Images/RocketsNBA/Rockets%2078-79%20Road%20Moses%20Malone%20(1).jpg

Does Dr J get the 3 ABA MVPs in addition to his MVP?

The Doctor 4

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/julius-2.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/6e/a0/34/6ea034c8df58405e9744c9669d8f66fb.jpg

[red1]

Moses Malone 3

http://img3.cache.netease.com/photo/0005/2013-06-16/91GVBP790AI90005.jpg

http://www.nasljerseys.com/ABA/Images/RocketsNBA/Rockets%2078-79%20Road%20Moses%20Malone%20(1).jpg

Does Dr J get the 3 ABA MVPs in addition to his MVP?

The Doctor 4

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/julius-2.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/6e/a0/34/6ea034c8df58405e9744c9669d8f66fb.jpg
:applause:

would love to see these guys in the modern era. they would beast for sure

[Dr Hawk]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/6e/a0/34/6ea034c8df58405e9744c9669d8f66fb.jpg

This pic is amazing.

[sundizz]

http://thebrooklyngame.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/p-328530-dr-j-julius-erving-dunking-8x10-photo-aw-33484_display_image.jpg

http://www.pitch.com/binary/bb93/dr_j.JPG

Mj doesn't want any of that
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VaR_etkI4SQ/T0VSk0ORSsI/AAAAAAAAAH0/Hddm2TizCs4/s1600/jordan-erving.jpg

[Smoke117]

Kareem in general seems to be the most underrated NBA great. I guess because his game wasn't "sexy"?

[imnew09]

Shaq most dominant Center ever - 1 mvp
Oscar avged triple double and sht - 1 mvp
Godbe - 1 mvp
The Dream - 1 mvp

d Rose - 1 mvp ......


This shyt is only team accomplishment and thats it

[Marchesk]

Nash has same amount of MVPs as Duncan. Just wow.

[Marchesk]

This shyt is only team accomplishment and thats it

Maybe that's why Russell has more MVPs than Wilt.

[Dr Hawk]

Kareem in general seems to be the most underrated NBA great. I guess because his game wasn't "sexy"?

In most of all time great lists, he is #2 at worst

[Nash]

Nash has same amount of MVPs as Duncan. Just wow.
because nash was really fu..ckin' good and personally lead that Suns team to amazing results.

[Marchesk]

because nash was really fu..ckin' good and personally lead that Suns team to amazing results.

Yeah, he was good, but he's not top 20 all-time great.

[ClipperRevival]

Love how people use the Nash example to discredit how much weight winning an MVP carries. His efficiency during those seasons were unheard of. Maybe he should only have 1 but the point is, when you win MVP over an entire season, that means a lot.

You can also argue that MJ should've been the MVP every season ever since 1988 to 1998 (for the seasons he played). You can't tell me Malone was more valuable than MJ.

[ClipperRevival]

Yeah, he was good, but he's not top 20 all-time great.

He was great enough in those two seasons to warrant consideration and win it and that's all that matters.

[inclinerator]

mvp is a regular season award, shaq was lazy during the rs and did his best in the playoffs

[ClipperRevival]

mvp is a regular season award, shaq was lazy during the rs and did his best in the playoffs

Guess that's his fault for not taking the 82 game, regular season seriously huh?

[FKAri]

Guess that's his fault for not taking the 82 game, regular season seriously huh?

Don't think his body or his mind could take going hard for a whole regular season + playoffs year after year.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Nash 2

Shaq 1
Kobe 1
Oscar 1
Hakeem 1






/thread

Great argument, you've convinced me that Nash is a top 10 all-time player. Kobe just got knocked off the list. Thanks for the help!

[nzahir]

Suns 2003-2004: 29 wins
Suns 2004-2005: 62 wins (Joe johnsons injury cost them vs spurs in wcf)
Probably goat impract right there, serious. They replaced penny and marbury with nash and nobody else important.
Maybe he shouldnt have won 2 but his 2nd mvp year was better statistically even.

Final mvp most important award probably but mvp is right up there, then rings. If we are talking about players. I dont go around ranking horry>kobe

[pauk]

Nash 2

Shaq 1
Kobe 1
Oscar 1
Hakeem 1






/thread

I see what you are saying but unfortunately 4... 5... 6... mvps... is not a fluke... You really have to beat all the players & teams on the planet impactwise in the regular season over and over and over and over and over to get that many mvps and that can be achieved only by the greatest ever players...

You cant find a Nash for Kareem, Jordan, Russell, Lebron & Wilt, guys like that are way to good to be held to 1 mvp for the entire career by guys like Nash etc.... but you can find a Jordan for Shaq/Kobe/Oscar/Hakeem, a guy who was the biggest reason for them ending up with just 1 mvp... for Kobe it was Lebron/Duncan... for Shaq it was Jordan/Duncan... for Oscar it was Wilt/Russell..... for Hakeem it was Jordan....

[Megabox!]

Kareem in general seems to be the most underrated NBA great. I guess because his game wasn't "sexy"?
I've actually seen many ppl call him the GOAT

[kennethgriffin]

I see what you are saying but unfortunately 4... 5... 6... mvps... is not a fluke... You really have to beat all the players & teams on the planet impactwise in the regular season over and over and over and over and over to get that many mvps and that can be achieved only by the greatest ever players...

You cant find a Nash for Kareem, Jordan, Russell, Lebron & Wilt, guys like that are way to good to be held to 1 mvp for the entire career by guys like Nash etc.... but you can find a Jordan for Shaq/Kobe/Oscar/Hakeem, a guy who was the biggest reason for them ending up with just 1 mvp... for Kobe it was Lebron/Duncan... for Shaq it was Jordan/Duncan... for Oscar it was Wilt/Russell..... for Hakeem it was Jordan....


4-5 mvps can be a fluke. they could only deserve 2-3

just as 1-2 mvps can be a fluke. they could deserve 3-4


little things like media/bias/criteria/team records/popularity/controversy/spite/agenda's sometimes get in the way


i've said it before countless times. if jordan was any other guy. magic or bird win mvp in 1988

lebrons 2012 mvp could have been argued against due to not having a top 3 record and ring chasing with multiple prime HOF'rs

shaq was mvp in 2001, 2005

you could have a better argument for kobe/dirk and even lebron for mvp over nash in 2006

you could have argued the only reason lebron has 1 more win in 2009 was because of the LEASTERN conference

but the media liked lebron


rose?



jesus christ... even curry over harden was bogus to say the least. that was the most obvious team award

take curry off the warriors and they win 55 games

take harden off houston and they win maybe 35 games this past season




the media ruined the mvp award and thats why theres a player vote again. 20 years from now that will be a more respected award and lebron will have NONE of them

people will discount all media mvps


good riddance

[sportjames23]

because nash was really fu..ckin' good and personally lead that Suns team to amazing results.


Not one NBA Finals appearance, doe.

[OldSchoolBBall]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/6e/a0/34/6ea034c8df58405e9744c9669d8f66fb.jpg

Damn, is there video of this play? I'd love to see how Doc finished this one.

[PHILA]

Damn, is there video of this play? I'd love to see how Doc finished this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5SaZcko3D8&t=30s

[Jakeh008]

Rings are more important then MVPs.

Ask Kobe if he would rather have 5 MVPs and 1 Ring and Lebron if he would rather have 4 rings and 2 MVPs.... Only one of them would answer yes....

Based on the way MVPs are normally given out (best player on the best team) means guys like Nash, Dirk, Curry, and Rose (who were all amazing) win it because they were lucky to be on great teams... over better players who carried lesser teams to amazing heights... Kobe in his prime did impossible amazing things with smush and Kwame... Lebron every year he's been on the Cavs...

[Cali Syndicate]

Love how people use the Nash example to discredit how much weight winning an MVP carries. His efficiency during those seasons were unheard of. Maybe he should only have 1 but the point is, when you win MVP over an entire season, that means a lot.

You can also argue that MJ should've been the MVP every season ever since 1988 to 1998 (for the seasons he played). You can't tell me Malone was more valuable than MJ.

Thing with nash was, how do you not give him the back to back when his 06 campaign was just as good as his 05 campaign and with the team winning almost the same number of games without the 2nd best player on the team?


Mvp has never been about who was the best player or who will end up higher on the all time greats list. Not a hard concept to understand. And Looking back at the top teams of every season, the mvp usually went to the right player.

[Cali Syndicate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5SaZcko3D8&t=30s

Damn some pretty sick highlights of j...chasedown block on gus williams dunk and the facial on artis gilmore just to name a few.

[ClipperRevival]

Thing with nash was, how do you not give him the back to back when his 06 campaign was just as good as his 05 campaign and with the team winning almost the same number of games without the 2nd best player on the team?


Mvp has never been about who was the best player or who will end up higher on the all time greats list. Not a hard concept to understand. And Looking back at the top teams of every season, the mvp usually went to the right player.

I was defending the validity of the award, not discrediting it. As for Kobe fans? :facepalm They try so hard to discredit the award. The mvp goes to who the writers think was the "most valueable" or i think a better term, "most impactful" for a given year. And i think the writers get it right 95% of the time. So to me, it carries a lot of weight. Look at the history of winners and it's 95% all time greats.

[Chief Keef]

Nash 2

Shaq 1
Kobe 1
Oscar 1
Hakeem 1






/thread


This. I think Nash should be ahead of Kobe, Shaq, Oscar and Hakeem on the all time list if you ask me

[ArbitraryWater]

Thing with nash was, how do you not give him the back to back when his 06 campaign was just as good as his 05 campaign and with the team winning almost the same number of games without the 2nd best player on the team?


Mvp has never been about who was the best player or who will end up higher on the all time greats list. Not a hard concept to understand. And Looking back at the top teams of every season, the mvp usually went to the right player.

Are you serious with this argument?

This shit is so incredibly flawed... 'yo he won MVP last year, he kinda played at the same level this year, so lets ignore the other Players, the ones that got a decent bit better, had more Impact, better stats, more wins yo'

:facepalm

The MVP has ALWAYS, HISTORICALLY gone to a top 3 record (except for a few cases), and 2006 definitely doesn't deserve to be one of those years when that wasn't the case, when Dirk had that kind of campaign.

MVP is a great deal about best player.

[Kblaze8855]

This shyt is only team accomplishment and thats it


Kareem won an MVP on a 40 win team.

Kareem won MVPs because he was destroying everyone. He could realistically have 10 and nobody could be outraged.

[Phenith]

Not one NBA Finals appearance, doe.

Why do people have such a hard time separating regular season performance from playoff performance? MVP is a regular season award. Your whole argument(all one sentence of it) is irrelevant.

[TheBigVeto]

Kareem in general seems to be the most underrated NBA great. I guess because his game wasn't "sexy"?

It's more because the media and David Stern exaggerated Magic Johnson's contribution to the Lakers at his expense.

In reality, Kareem is a legit GOAT candidate and the greatest Laker ever.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kareem won an MVP on a 40 win team.

Kareem won MVPs because he was destroying everyone. He could realistically have 10 and nobody could be outraged.

That was a different era though. Since Jordan won in '88 iirc nobody has won MVP without being on a team with a top 3-4 record in the league

[Lebron23]

LeBron soon to be a 5x NBA MVP.

[Jasper]

lettuce not forget that MJ in his prime was out of bball for basically 3 years

[red1]

so it looks like these are the consensus top 5 GOAT? not in any order of course