Try to convince me that Cannabis should be illegal

[Lensanity]

Over the course of the last 2 years I have spent literally dozens of hours on the internet studying and researching everything about Cannabis and it's effects. At this point I would consider myself an expert on the subject and it is my personal belief that the illegality of Cannabis is the most corrupt, unjust, and damaging law in the United States.

There are too many benefits of legalization for me to list here. So, if you think weed should be illegal then state your reason why and I will debate against it. Also, if you support legalization but are against consumption then state why and also state your opinions on alcohol and tobacco use.

I promise I can pick apart ANY argument against Cannabis because there is simply no such thing as a correct argument against it. I will also be happy to debunk all myths and lies that people believe about it.

[PistonsFan#21]

Weed f*cks up your short term memory

[KingBeasley08]

illegality of Cannabis is the most corrupt, unjust, and damaging law in the United States.

I'm pro-legalization too but get real

[Lensanity]

Weed f*cks up your short term memory


Says who?

The government?


It has no effect on your memory when you are sober. So you can get really high and your short term memory may not be the best during the high but once you put the bong down you are completely normal. I am a daily user and have no more memory problems then I ever have.

[Lensanity]

I'm pro-legalization too but get real
I know it sounds ridiculous at first glance. Trust me, I understand what you are thinking.


But off the top of your head, name a law with more corruption fueling it.

Also, name a law that harms society more.

Fibally, name a policy or law that is more illogical than Cannabis being a schedule 1 substance.

[Patrick Chewing]

It kills brain cells.

[Lensanity]

It kills brain cells.
:facepalm

First of all, that is a myth that has been proven false COUNTLESS times. 1 simple Google search > the bullshit your dad told you.

Second, even if it did kill brain cells it wouldn't matter. Oxygen deprivation kills brain cells. Hard running that gets you out of breath kills brain cells. Holding in hits for a long time while smoking kills brain cells. Guess what? The brain cells grow right back and nothing bad happens.

Weed can't kill brain cells (unless you hold in your hits) and even if it did it really wouldn't matter. It is just a myth that makes weed sound bad and scary.

[iamgine]

Over the course of the last 2 years I have spent literally dozens of hours on the internet studying and researching everything about Cannabis and it's effects. At this point I would consider myself an expert on the subject and it is my personal belief that the illegality of Cannabis is the most corrupt, unjust, and damaging law in the United States.

There are too many benefits of legalization for me to list here. So, if you think weed should be illegal then state your reason why and I will debate against it. Also, if you support legalization but are against consumption then state why and also state your opinions on alcohol and tobacco use.

I promise I can pick apart ANY argument against Cannabis because there is simply no such thing as a correct argument against it. I will also be happy to debunk all myths and lies that people believe about it.
While I don't have a problem with cannabis, your qualification seems sorely lacking and only based on misguided personal belief thus why would anyone argue with you?

Dozens of hours on the internet = expert?

[Akrazotile]

https://darkivesaustin.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/weed.jpg


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Just got a message from Catzhernandez.

He said he wants his schtick back.

Wait one more message.

And you're also a ******

[Lensanity]

While I don't have a problem with cannabis, your qualification seems sorely lacking and only based on misguided personal belief thus why would anyone argue with you?

Dozens of hours on the internet = expert?
Only based on misguided personal belief?

Where did you get that from? I don't make shit up. Everything I say has some kind of backbone behind d it, meaning I have read about it. It's dozens and dozens. I can't even predict how many hours of research I've done buts it's a LOT.

[Nanners]

Over the course of the last 2 years I have spent literally dozens of hours on the internet studying and researching everything about Cannabis and it's effects. At this point I would consider myself an expert on the subject

http://i.imgur.com/ai0ER7v.jpg

[Lensanity]

Can we stay on topic please? This thread is to debunk myths and debate legalization.

[DeuceWallaces]

Can we stay on topic please? This thread is to debunk myths and debate legalization.

There are no myths dumbass. No once cares if you get high.

[Lensanity]

There are no myths dumbass. No once cares if you get high.
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1710466/images/o-CHRIS-CHRISTIE-facebook.jpg

[Rockets(T-mac)]

:facepalm

First of all, that is a myth that has been proven false COUNTLESS times. 1 simple Google search > the bullshit your dad told you.

Second, even if it did kill brain cells it wouldn't matter. Oxygen deprivation kills brain cells. Hard running that gets you out of breath kills brain cells. Holding in hits for a long time while smoking kills brain cells. Guess what? The brain cells grow right back and nothing bad happens.

Weed can't kill brain cells (unless you hold in your hits) and even if it did it really wouldn't matter. It is just a myth that makes weed sound bad and scary.I really don't care if someone smokes weed, but I"m pretty sure brain cells, at least neurons, don't just grow back readily.

[GimmeThat]

like, in a methodical way?

lets just say Cannabis becomes legal, and thanks to how it makes us more passive, we now no longer have exaggerated spending, we do not seek out for what isn't necessarily ours, heck, we might even do the mormon things and give back 10% of our earning to the public thanks to how passive we have become. And no, you won't be fighting about taxes, because, lets face it, it's some good ole' ganja

so now, surely, you have taken this position because just like the good ole native americans, you have most likely had assumed some type of estate/property under your proprietorship. Your biggest fear now are the foreigners who doesn't smoke the ganja who comes into your territory and take away your belonging, or a leader who might just happen to be belligerent, the maker of an earth quake who shakes up your world.

I mean, legalize it.

Just don't call it a pain in the ass when you wake up one day realizing you were smarter than the ones in charge this whole time.


why wouldn't I legalize it?

putting sex on a pedestal, hasn't stopped anyone from having sex, Has it made people more interested in remaining a virgin? I have no idea, but how do I FEEL about an orgy fest happening all the time and being invited to it?

I probably expect free room and board and transportation.



disclaimer: Please rebuttal, or delete this post if none were made.

[iamgine]

Only based on misguided personal belief?

Where did you get that from? I don't make shit up. Everything I say has some kind of backbone behind d it, meaning I have read about it. It's dozens and dozens. I can't even predict how many hours of research I've done buts it's a LOT.
Meaning...you labeling yourself as an expert is based on misguided personal belief.

Like if someone tells me, man I'm an expert on divorce law because I've spent dozens of hours reading about it on the internet.

[Lensanity]

Meaning...you labeling yourself as an expert is based on misguided personal belief.

Like if someone tells me, man I'm an expert on divorce law because I've spent dozens of hours reading about it on the internet.
OK smarty pants. What must I do to become an "expert?" Do i need a degree in Cannabisology?

With the amount of time spent researching and consuming, I am definitely in the 1st percentile of Cannabis knowledge. Quit taking my use of the word "expert" so seriously. I was simply trying to make a point that I have a lot of knowledge of the subject.

[iamgine]

OK smarty pants. What must I do to become an "expert?" Do i need a degree in Cannabisology?

With the amount of time spent researching and consuming, I am definitely in the 1st percentile of Cannabis knowledge. Quit taking my use of the word "expert" so seriously. I was simply trying to make a point that I have a lot of knowledge of the subject.
That's just like saying people on ISH are in the 1st percentile of NBA knowledge.

Which is true...but not saying a lot.

[Lensanity]

That's just like saying people on ISH are in the 1st percentile of NBA knowledge.

Which is true...but not saying a lot.
Effects of Cannabis = Facts
Everything on Insidehoops = Opinion

[iamgine]

Effects of Cannabis = Facts
Everything on Insidehoops = Opinion
Bill Russell played with Havlicek = fact

[Lensanity]

Bill Russell played with Havlicek = fact
Do you have anything to add to the discussion about cannabis and/or the laws surrounding it?

[iamgine]

Do you have anything to add to the discussion about cannabis and/or the laws surrounding it?
It should be legal is my expert opinion.

[longtime lurker]

Other than the mass incarceration of black people. There's literally no reason that weed should be illegal. Just the economic value alone should be reason enough to legalize it.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://i59.tinypic.com/4g3gvm.jpg

What more proof do you need? Look at that impairment and detached sense of danger.

[masonanddixon]

Marijuana is a very gay drug. People who want to pretend to be hard/cool by doing drugs need to hit the hallucinogens or ride horse. Marijuana is for ******s.

[Lensanity]

Marijuana is a very gay drug. People who want to pretend to be hard/cool by doing drugs need to hit the hallucinogens or ride horse. Marijuana is for ******s.
*Cannabis

Marijuana is a racist word.

[DCL]

you can make a million reasons to support weed, but to say that it doesn't affect your memory in any way is the most nonsensical argument i've ever heard.

maybe you've never performed at a top level to know the difference. if your memory was always absolute shit, maybe it makes no difference to you because you can't remember stuff when you're sober anyway.

[DeuceWallaces]

Memory criticisms are pretty stupid. It's only when you're on it. Oh, and what exactly is memory "performed at a top level"?

[DCL]

potheads just use any stupid reason to defend it like denying the memory issues.

[UK2K]

I went 49 and 6 on Battlefield Hardline last night...

Just saying.

[kurple]

Weed f*cks up your short term memory
so does jacking off. should that be illegal?

[kurple]

the world is ****ed up if weed is illegal because you might forget to take out your frozen pizza


there has never been any death from weedsmoking, and i've never heard about anyone that smoked too much weed and went home and beat up his wife and kids because of it

[robert de niro]

Over the course of the last 2 years I have spent literally dozens of hours on the internet
Damn get a life

[kurple]

you shoulndt be allowed to work or drive high.. but thats it if you ask me

the goverment so tax and regulate it

[UK2K]

you shoulndt be allowed to work or drive high.. but thats it if you ask me

the goverment so tax and regulate it
:applause:

My thoughts exactly.

The problem is, if you smoke weed Sunday night, and get into a forklift accident at work on Monday morning, when they test your blood the THC will show up.

Now, no marijuana I know can get you high for 12 hours, so even though you may not be high, you will appear high on tests. In a lawsuit, thats all that matters.

[Richesly]

*Cannabis

Marijuana is a racist word.


I am probably the most informed on drugs here, and most forms of Cannabis is an hallucinogenic. However, unless you have psychedelic experience, you will not be able to have those effects, no matter how much is smoked.

By the way, it was only made illegal of mexican immigrants coming to the U.S and getting rich selling it. United States founding fathers even smoked weed, and admitted to it.

Cannabis, as well as LSD-25 as drugs that have a sprew of propaganda against them and completely safe to take.

[Pushxx]

A government shouldn't have the right to tell you what you can privately put in your body.

[Bandito]

*Cannabis

Marijuana is a racist word.
Cannabis is not a race :lol

[Bandito]

so does jacking off. should that be illegal?
If they made that illegal I would apply for that travel to Mars.

[Lensanity]

For ****s sake people.

CANNABIS HAS NO AFFECT ON YOUR MEMORY WHILE YOU ARE SOBER


Your short term memory comes right back when the high wears off.


Also, I have driven high hundreds of times and it is no more dangerous than driving sober. I've also worked and gone to class high and as long as you have the right strain it is great.

[tomtucker]

Adverse effects
Main article: Long-term effects of cannabis
Further information: Cannabis in pregnancy

Cannabis is ranked as one of recreational drugs with a lower amount of harm.[40]
According to the United States Department of Health and Human Services, there were 455,000 emergency room visits associated with cannabis use in 2011. These statistics include visits in which the patient was treated for a condition induced by or related to recent cannabis use. The drug use must be "implicated" in the emergency department visit, but does not need to be the direct cause of the visit. Most of the illicit drug emergency room visits involved multiple drugs.[41] In 129,000 cases, cannabis was the only implicated drug.[42][43]

A 2013 literature review said that heavy, long term exposure to marijuana may have biologically-based physical, mental, behavioral and social health consequences and may be "associated with diseases of the liver (particularly with co-existing hepatitis C), lungs, heart, and vasculature".[44] It is recommended that cannabis use be stopped before and during pregnancy.[45]

Toxicity
THC, the principal psychoactive constituent of the cannabis plant, has low toxicity, the dose of THC needed to kill 50% of tested rodents is extremely high. Acute effects may include anxiety and panic, impaired attention, and memory (while intoxicated), an increased risk of psychotic symptoms, and possibly and increased risk of accidents if a person drives a motor vehicle while intoxicated.[46] Psychotic episodes are well-documented and typically resolve within minutes or hours. There have been few reports of symptoms lasting longer.[47][48] Cannabis has not been reported to cause fatal overdose.[49]

Lungs
There has been a limited amount of studies that have looked at the effects of smoking cannabis on the respiratory system.[50] Chronic heavy marijuana smoking is associated with coughing, production of sputum, wheezing, and other symptoms of chronic bronchitis.[46] Regular cannabis use has not been shown to cause significant abnormalities in lung function.[51] Short-term use of cannabis is associated with bronchodilation.[52]

Cancer
Cannabis smoke contains thousands of organic and inorganic chemical compounds. This tar is chemically similar to that found in tobacco smoke,[53] and over fifty known carcinogens have been identified in cannabis smoke,[54] including; nitrosamines, reactive aldehydes, and polycylic hydrocarbons, including benz[a]pyrene.[55] As of 2015, there is no consensus regarding whether cannabis smoking is associated with an increased risk of cancer.

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Cardiovascular
There is serious suspicion among cardiologists, spurring research but falling short of definitive proof, that cannabis use has the potential to contribute to cardiovascular disease.[57] Cannabis is believed to be an aggravating factor in rare cases of arteritis, a serious condition that in some cases leads to amputation. Because 97% of case-reports also smoked tobacco, a formal association with cannabis could not be made. If cannabis arteritis turns out to be a distinct clinical entity, it might be the consequence of vasoconstrictor activity observed from delta-8-THC and delta-9-THC.[58] Other serious cardiovascular events including myocardial infarction, stroke, sudden cardiac death, and cardiomyopathy have been reported to be temporally associated with cannabis use. Research in these events is complicated because cannabis is often used in conjunction with tobacco, and drugs such as alcohol and cocaine.[59] These putative effects can be taken in context of a wide range of cardiovascular phenomena regulated by the endocannabinoid system and an overall role of cannabis in causing decreased peripheral resistance and increased cardiac output, which potentially could pose a threat to those with cardiovascular disease.[60]





Chronic use
Effects of chronic use may include bronchitis, a cannabis dependence syndrome, and subtle impairments of attention and memory. These deficits persist while chronically intoxicated.[46] There is little evidence that cognitive impairments persist in adult abstinent cannabis users.[65] Compared to non-smokers, people who smoked cannabis regularly in adolescence exhibit reduced connectivity in specific brain regions associated with memory, learning, alertness, and executive function.[43] A study has suggested that sustained heavy, daily, adolescent onset cannabis use over decades is associated with a decline in IQ by age 38. No effects were found in those who initiated cannabis use later, or in those who ceased use earlier in adulthood.[66]

[tomtucker]

:confusedshrug:

[DCL]

For ****s sake people.

CANNABIS HAS NO AFFECT ON YOUR MEMORY WHILE YOU ARE SOBER


Your short term memory comes right back when the high wears off.


Also, I have driven high hundreds of times and it is no more dangerous than driving sober. I've also worked and gone to class high and as long as you have the right strain it is great.

you keep on making the stupidest arguments like a hopelessly ignorant pothead.

and now you claim it's no more dangerous to drive high than to drive sober?

and you think you can retain the same information in class while you're high???

you gotta be trolling, you can't be this clueless.

[Lensanity]

you keep on making the stupidest arguments like a hopelessly ignorant pothead.

and now you claim it's no more dangerous to drive high than to drive sober?

and you think you can retain the same information in class while you're high???

you gotta be trolling, you can't be this clueless.


How have I never gotten in any kind of accident, even a fender bender, while high? I mean I've done it HUNDREDS of times. Empty roads, busy roads, day, night, slow, fast, everything and not even the slightest problem. If it's Soooo bad to drive high then surely something would have happened in hundreds of attempts right?

[DCL]

How have I never gotten in any kind of accident, even a fender bender, while high? I mean I've done it HUNDREDS of times. Empty roads, busy roads, day, night, slow, fast, everything and not even the slightest problem. If it's Soooo bad to drive high then surely something would have happened in hundreds of attempts right?


just because you have never gotten in an accident yet, it doesn't mean what you're doing is safe.

you're putting yourself and everyone else on the road in danger. don't be an ignorant kid who thinks it's safe just because nothing bad has happened yet. what you're doing isn't safe. your skills of course are lessened when you're stoned. unless your weed is totally crap.

i probably used to smoke way more dope than you. don't even bullshit with me.

[Lensanity]

just because you have never gotten in an accident yet, it doesn't mean what you're doing is safe.

you're putting yourself and everyone else on the road in danger. don't be an ignorant kid who thinks it's safe just because nothing bad has happened yet. what you're doing isn't safe. your skills of course are lessened when you're stoned. unless your weed is totally crap.

i probably used to smoke way more dope than you. don't even bullshit with me.

I am absolutely safe when high. I would not even say that Im a better driver sober than high. I am perfectly safe. You are just closed minded. Weed isn't a hard drug. It doesn't impair you.

[warriorfan]

weed legalization isn't even a big deal most peeps smoke on the down low and it's just never an issue it's not that hard to not get caught up

[DCL]

I am absolutely safe when high. I would not even say that Im a better driver sober than high. I am perfectly safe. You are just closed minded. Weed isn't a hard drug. It doesn't impair you.

you *think* you are operating with the same capacity, but you are wrong.

when you're stoned, even your vision is a little bit f--ked up. frames do not move as fast as when you're sober. that slight delay might be cool to see light shows or whatever, but when you're driving, you want your eyes to be totally sharp. you're putting yourself in danger when your reflexes are delayed due either visual or reactionary ineptness. if some car comes out of nowhere and it takes you even a micro-second more to react, your delayed reaction could be the reason that caused you a nasty accident. worse case scenario is that the other driver is stoned too so he's delayed in noticing you as well. i know you're all gung ho about weed and all that right now, but don't be stupid.

[tomtucker]

in the states where weed is legal, is it then also legal to drive a car while / after smoking ?

[warriorfan]

in the states where weed is legal, is it then also legal to drive a car while / after smoking ?

no, but there is no way to really test for it, as long as you don't admit to smoking and can pass field sobriety tests you should be good

[Breezy]

Weed Needs to be illegal so the black market can flourish and we can have an excuse to send police into the ghetto and and kill the bottom feeders that live there.