dude gets shot dead from road rage

[Godzuki]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/27/us/florida-road-rage-killing/index.html

cant say i feel sorry for him following dude to his house :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

Under Florida law, if you feel that your life was threatened or you are under threat of serious bodily harm, you have every right to blast him away.

I laugh at what the law used to be. You actually had to run away from the guy coming after you. :oldlol:

I have a feeling this man will be exonerated.

[TripleA]

Interesting story. In florida if someone gets into a fight with someone and they get their ass kicked and they escape and shoot the person they fought could the person be exonerated?

[Millslapped]

Interesting story. In florida if someone gets into a fight with someone and they get their ass kicked and they escape and shoot the person they fought could the person be exonerated?
*cough zimmerman *cough* *cough*

[imnew09]

It was unnecessary to follow him home... Listen to the fken dispatcher man fk. Just like that a life is lost, i feel sorry for the fam and the kids . Fk man couldve ben avoided

[You Cant Ban Me]

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[CavaliersFTW]

Guy who followed the other guy home had it coming, honestly.

He's got a family with him in the vehicle that only makes it worse. You'd think the wife would have said stop following him, or that he'd listen to the dispatcher that said don't follow the man.

You go on someone elses property, especially while you're in a state of road rage as well as the other person, you're a ****ing idiot. I wouldn't want people like that to even have a license there should be a test for people like that so that they can't ever get drivers licenses. He wins the Darwin award. Can't have that kind of blind stubborn rage and expect to function in the modern world. The guy who shot him is also an idiot, but I can at least understand why he felt the need to shoot him.

[TheMan]

The dude who followed the other guy was an idiot, he should've just wrote the other guy's license plate and go file a complaint to the police if he felt he was wronged. We have no idea what caused this road rage incident and it would be very hard to prove as it always someone's word against the other's.

Not to excuse the follower at all, and there seems to be a nuetral witness that said the follower was backing away when he got shot, but you just can't go around shooting people without the threat of imminent danger right? I mean, I don't know FL law but say you're at a bar, heated words are exchanged with another patron and both decide to take it outside, could any of the two just take out a gun and blast the other dude away and claim self defense because he feared he'd get his ass kicked? Seems to me like that could work, especially if there are no witnesses to the shooting, am I right?

I don't think the shooter is as innocent as he claims, especially since a witness claimed the follower was "backing away" so if that's true, he isn't in imminent danger. More likely, both dudes were a couple of morons doing moronic things and one ended up dead and the other might end up in prison :facepalm

Florida :lol

[DavisWarriorsFan]

Florida and the rest of the South always does something stupid.

[NumberSix]

The dude who followed the other guy was an idiot, he should've just wrote the other guy's license plate and go file a complaint to the police if he felt he was wronged. We have no idea what caused this road rage incident and it would be very hard to prove as it always someone's word against the other's.

Not to excuse the follower at all, and there seems to be a nuetral witness that said the follower was backing away when he got shot, but you just can't go around shooting people without the threat of imminent danger right? I mean, I don't know FL law but say you're at a bar, heated words are exchanged with another patron and both decide to take it outside, could any of the two just take out a gun and blast the other dude away and claim self defense because he feared he'd get his ass kicked? Seems to me like that could work, especially if there are no witnesses to the shooting, am I right?

I don't think the shooter is as innocent as he claims, especially since a witness claimed the follower was "backing away" so if that's true, he isn't in imminent danger. More likely, both dudes were a couple of morons doing moronic things and one ended up dead and the other might end up in prison :facepalm

Florida :lol
We aren't talking about a bar. He went to the mans home.

[DCL]

in california, we just honk, flip the bird, and drive off.

[masonanddixon]

in california, we just honk, flip the bird, and drive off.

No you don't. California is every bit as retarded as Florida and plenty of people get killed over similar shit.

[DCL]

No you don't. California is every bit as retarded as Florida and plenty of people get killed over similar shit.

and where do you live?

do you live in one of those poor shithole states where you have have sex with your mothers and sisters?

uh huh.

[UK2K]

The dude who followed the other guy was an idiot, he should've just wrote the other guy's license plate and go file a complaint to the police if he felt he was wronged. We have no idea what caused this road rage incident and it would be very hard to prove as it always someone's word against the other's.

Not to excuse the follower at all, and there seems to be a nuetral witness that said the follower was backing away when he got shot, but you just can't go around shooting people without the threat of imminent danger right? I mean, I don't know FL law but say you're at a bar, heated words are exchanged with another patron and both decide to take it outside, could any of the two just take out a gun and blast the other dude away and claim self defense because he feared he'd get his ass kicked? Seems to me like that could work, especially if there are no witnesses to the shooting, am I right?

I don't think the shooter is as innocent as he claims, especially since a witness claimed the follower was "backing away" so if that's true, he isn't in imminent danger. More likely, both dudes were a couple of morons doing moronic things and one ended up dead and the other might end up in prison :facepalm

Florida :lol

You could try, whether or not it holds up in court is a different story.

Chances are, you'd be found guilty.

The only thing that is required to use the 'stand your ground' law is the fear of death or serious bodily harm. If you can convince a jury you were fearful for your life, or fearful of serious bodily harm, you will walk.

When they go to review tape at the bar, and see both of you walk outside together, your case will get tossed and you'll be going to prison.

So no, its not that easy.

[UK2K]

and where do you live?

do you live in one of those poor shithole states where you have have sex with your mothers and sisters?

uh huh.
California has over $600 BILLION in unfunded liabilities, making them the poorest, most in debt state in the country.

So....


At $617.6 billion, California had by far the biggest total debt, more than twice the total of No. 2, New York, with $300.1 billion owed, according to State Budget Solutions, a research and non-partisan advocacy group.

No worries though, this is on the low side. It'll only get worse as time goes on, so cheer up, for now.

[DCL]

California has over $600 BILLION in unfunded liabilities, making them the poorest, most in debt state in the country.

So....




you living in poverty central kentucky, you should be quiet. :oldlol:

you poor folks can't even afford to live in $50k houses in your shithole state.

[UK2K]

you living in f--king kentucky, you should be quiet. :oldlol:

you guys make like $5/hr and live in $50k homes.

I don't live in Kentucky.

Just because you live in the same state as people who live in big houses, doesn't make you cool :oldlol:

Nice deflection though, there's no getting around a $600 BILLION dollar deficit. :lol

[DCL]

I don't live in Kentucky.

Just because you live in the same state as people who live in big houses, doesn't make you cool :oldlol:


you're from around there, all pretty much poverty shit hole states.

[UK2K]

you're from around there, all pretty much poverty shit hole states.

I agree, that's why I moved.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/state-debt-per-capita-figures.html

Truth hurts.

[Patrick Chewing]

Not to excuse the follower at all, and there seems to be a nuetral witness that said the follower was backing away when he got shot, but you just can't go around shooting people without the threat of imminent danger right? I mean, I don't know FL law but say you're at a bar, heated words are exchanged with another patron and both decide to take it outside, could any of the two just take out a gun and blast the other dude away and claim self defense because he feared he'd get his ass kicked? Seems to me like that could work, especially if there are no witnesses to the shooting, am I right?




Under Florida's Stand Your Ground Law, then yes. This is why I think the old law was hilarious. You had to run away from your attacker. How stupid is that? However, guns are illegal to possess at a bar, regardless if you have a concealed carry permit or not.

Whatever happened to breaking a pool stick over someone's back and a beer bottle over someone's head? Now that's a brawl.

[ISHGoat]

Im very curious to how courts interpret Stand Your Ground.

Here is wiki's basic definition: "a law that authorizes a person to protect and defend one's own life and limb against threat or perceived threat"

So as long as I can prove I legitimately perceived a threat to my life, I can kill someone?

If im walking down the road at night and I see a bunch of guys that look like thugs running towards me, can I just spray them all?

Basically, what constitutes a reasonable perception of threat to jurors?

What if Im legally impaired (alcohol or say medication from hospital), shooting someone when a non-impaired person would not have perceived a thread, but indeed I did perceive a threat in my intoxicated state of mind?

[UK2K]

Im very curious to how courts interpret Stand Your Ground.

Here is wiki's basic definition: "a law that authorizes a person to protect and defend one's own life and limb against threat or perceived threat"

So as long as I can prove I legitimately perceived a threat to my life, I can kill someone?
You could, and you could use Stand Your Ground in court, but you have to convince a jury you legitimately feared for your life.

No different overseas. You can shoot whoever you want, but if you want to walk, you have to prove your state of mind.



If im walking down the road at night and I see a bunch of guys that look like thugs running towards me, can I just spray them all?
You could. Whether you will walk is another question. Were they making verbal threats? Were they holding weapons? Were they advancing towards you specifically? You have to be able to convince a jury, if they were in your shoes, they would have felt the same way.


Basically, what constitutes a reasonable perception of threat to jurors?

Their opinion. Which you must try to sway.


What if Im legally impaired (alcohol or say medication from hospital), shooting someone when a non-impaired person would not have perceived a thread, but indeed I did perceive a threat in my intoxicated state of mind?
Intent is what matters. Intent. That's it. You can be drunk AF, and if you can prove your intent of self defense, you will walk.

In many states though (maybe all) if you are impaired, you are already violating a law by having a gun.

Obviously if you're drunk at home and someone kicks in your door, you will probably walk.

[West-Side]

I don't live in Kentucky.

Just because you live in the same state as people who live in big houses, doesn't make you cool :oldlol:

Nice deflection though, there's no getting around a $600 BILLION dollar deficit. :lol

So by this logic U.S. is by far the worst country to live in; since their debt is the highest among all countries in the world.

18.5 trillion in external debt (2nd place is Great Britain with less than 10 trillion).

[West-Side]

Im very curious to how courts interpret Stand Your Ground.

Here is wiki's basic definition: "a law that authorizes a person to protect and defend one's own life and limb against threat or perceived threat"

So as long as I can prove I legitimately perceived a threat to my life, I can kill someone?

If im walking down the road at night and I see a bunch of guys that look like thugs running towards me, can I just spray them all?

Basically, what constitutes a reasonable perception of threat to jurors?

What if Im legally impaired (alcohol or say medication from hospital), shooting someone when a non-impaired person would not have perceived a thread, but indeed I did perceive a threat in my intoxicated state of mind?

You're being charged for murder; you have a jury.
The "Stand Your Ground" ruling will sole depend on whether or not the jury believes you. So you're taking a huge risk regardless. Even if you did legitimately feared for your life, there is always a chance the jury will rule against you.

Which is why it's a risky law to follow.

[Godzuki]

he shot him in the back 3 times tho. i think he's pretty fukked even with stand your ground. they'll say he was raging too. its funny tho how his wife made up the part about he was being charged, i doubt it when you're shot in the back 3 times :facepalm

[NumberSix]

he shot him in the back 3 times tho. i think he's pretty fukked even with stand your ground. they'll say he was raging too. its funny tho how his wife made up the part about he was being charged, i doubt it when you're shot in the back 3 times :facepalm
Really? :eek:

Damn.



Btw.... Stand your ground doesn't apply to being on your own property.

[Patrick Chewing]

he shot him in the back 3 times tho. i think he's pretty fukked even with stand your ground. they'll say he was raging too. its funny tho how his wife made up the part about he was being charged, i doubt it when you're shot in the back 3 times :facepalm


Depends on his state of mind. You're already on edge due to someone trying to run you off the road and is now following you home. I don't think anyone would be thinking clearly at that point. His first instinct may have been to eliminate the threat at all costs (which is how they train police). People nowadays think that getting shot in the back is a clear indication that one party was running away. That's not always the case.

I think perhaps this guy may plead down to Involuntary Manslaughter.

[DCL]

or maybe the killer planned to "lure" the victim to his house to kill him. he already made up his mind that he was going to blast him before he got home. he was hoping he would get followed. that would be some psychotic shit.

[UK2K]

So by this logic U.S. is by far the worst country to live in; since their debt is the highest among all countries in the world.

18.5 trillion in external debt (2nd place is Great Britain with less than 10 trillion).

Did I say worst? Hmm, maybe I did say worst. Maybe I'll go back and check my posts.

Nope. No, I didn't.

[TheMan]

You could try, whether or not it holds up in court is a different story.

Chances are, you'd be found guilty.

The only thing that is required to use the 'stand your ground' law is the fear of death or serious bodily harm. If you can convince a jury you were fearful for your life, or fearful of serious bodily harm, you will walk.

When they go to review tape at the bar, and see both of you walk outside together, your case will get tossed and you'll be going to prison.

So no, its not that easy.
Ah, it is pretty easy...say there are no cameras, witnesses are all over the place on the incident and the shooter could claim he was followed as he left the bar...

Reasonable doubt

[TheMan]

I don't live in Kentucky.

Just because you live in the same state as people who live in big houses, doesn't make you cool :oldlol:

Nice deflection though, there's no getting around a $600 BILLION dollar deficit. :lol
The US debt is $18,151,931,284,395 and change so going by your goofy standard, WE all broke af...

[TheMan]

:biggums: The follower was shot 3 times in the back :wtf: and I bet he STILL walks in FL :oldlol:

[highwhey]

Under Florida's Stand Your Ground Law, then yes. This is why I think the old law was hilarious. You had to run away from your attacker. How stupid is that? However, guns are illegal to possess at a bar, regardless if you have a concealed carry permit or not.

Whatever happened to breaking a pool stick over someone's back and a beer bottle over someone's head? Now that's a brawl.
If i ever saw you at a bar, I'd take a stool to your head. Pretty sure i would become an ISH hero.

[UK2K]

The US debt is $18,151,931,284,395 and change so going by your goofy standard, WE all broke af...

This country is broke AF.

[CavaliersFTW]

No doubt the dead guy was dumb for following the shooter....but what kind of a sick fck are you if you're willing to execute a man in front of his wife and children? The shooter had a wife and family too...he couldn't be one of those lonely mentally fcked killers. Or did he just snapped?

:wtf:
This is what happens when two road ragers collide.

Road rage is real. People like that shouldn't be allowed to obtain a drivers license I truly believe this. They are as dangerous on the road when under their blind stubborn rage if not even more so than drunk drivers.

These are normal every day hard working people, that just can't handle their shit when behind the wheel. They lose all logical thought, as this scenario perfectly demonstrates. One man trying to follow another to his home to confront him (yeah that'll turn out well you stupid ****). The other man thinking "I'm gonna shoot this man in front of his wife and kids, then tell them to get out of the car and not help, or let them help the man I shot" another road rage lunatic.

[Patrick Chewing]

If i ever saw you at a bar, I'd take a stool to your head. Pretty sure i would become an ISH hero.


Sorry, I don't go to gay bars.

[West-Side]

Did I say worst? Hmm, maybe I did say worst. Maybe I'll go back and check my posts.

Nope. No, I didn't.

So you think U.S. is the poorest country then? :oldlol:

[UK2K]

So you think U.S. is the poorest country then? :oldlol:

Yes.

Assets - liabilites... did you learn that in school?

[highwhey]

Sorry, I don't go to gay bars.
Weak comeback.

Maricon.

[TheMan]

Yes.

Assets - liabilites... did you learn that in school?
:oldlol:

[KNOW1EDGE]

1 less retard running around earth.

I have a friend who road rages and I ask him not to do it while I'm in his car, I don't want to die. He's gonna get shot one day.

[West-Side]

Yes.

Assets - liabilites... did you learn that in school?

No sir, you measure countries wealth by their gross domestic product. :oldlol:

http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/

Even in the financial world; a highly leveraged company (with a high D/E ratio, that funds their assets from external debt) isn't necessarily poor when compared to a company that primarily funds its assets with internal equity sources.

There are many other factors you must consider.
Having a large amount of outstanding debt does not make a company poor if they use those fundings to invest in projects with positive NPV's.

[Patrick Chewing]

I remember vividly a couple of years back, some dude cut me off and I honked at him and then he proceeded to flip me off. Yikes. Of course I became enraged and speeded up to get beside him and he kept flipping me off and trying to speed up to avoid me. I told myself at the time that I was going to follow this guy and knock his ass out, but I was also traveling with my girlfriend and her niece at the time and it would have been a grave mistake to do so.

I think it's human nature to confront those who have wronged us, but we forget time and time again the situation that we are putting ourselves in. We now become the aggressor by chasing after this individual. Now the individual is fearing for his life possibly. And who knows, maybe the guy was just having a bad day and soon realized his mistake, but you have to ask yourself is it worth it to now become a criminal, or worse, get shot and die as a result of this "rage"?

[TheMan]

I remember vividly a couple of years back, some dude cut me off and I honked at him and then he proceeded to flip me off. Yikes. Of course I became enraged and speeded up to get beside him and he kept flipping me off and trying to speed up to avoid me. I told myself at the time that I was going to follow this guy and knock his ass out, but I was also traveling with my girlfriend and her niece at the time and it would have been a grave mistake to do so.

I think it's human nature to confront those who have wronged us, but we forget time and time again the situation that we are putting ourselves in. We now become the aggressor by chasing after this individual. Now the individual is fearing for his life possibly. And who knows, maybe the guy was just having a bad day and soon realized his mistake, but you have to ask yourself is it worth it to now become a criminal, or worse, get shot and die as a result of this "rage"?
I did that once too, with my pregnant wife and my 8 year old nephew :facepalm Fortunately my wife chewed me out enough that I stopped my rage and then later on reflected on it enough to realize just how moronic I behaved. I've never done it since, and the last time an incident happened, a driver flipped me off, I just gave him a friendly wave back...the confused look on his face was pure gold :oldlol:

[UK2K]

No sir, you measure countries wealth by their gross domestic product. :oldlol:

http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/

Even in the financial world; a highly leveraged company (with a high D/E ratio, that funds their assets from external debt) isn't necessarily poor when compared to a company that primarily funds its assets with internal equity sources.

There are many other factors you must consider.
Having a large amount of outstanding debt does not make a company poor if they use those fundings to invest in projects with positive NPV's.

But we aren't. We can't even pay the interest.

If I make $200,000 a year, and I am $500,000 in debt living off credit cards, am I well off or no?

Yes, countries use GDP as a measure of wealth. That's doesn't pay the bills if we can't even pay off the interest.

Are you going to seriously sit here and argue that the US is in anything other than a poor financial position? Really...?

[oarabbus]

Under Florida law, if you feel that your life was threatened or you are under threat of serious bodily harm, you have every right to blast him away.

I laugh at what the law used to be. You actually had to run away from the guy coming after you. :oldlol:

I have a feeling this man will be exonerated.


...except for that one hispanic woman who shot at her abusive husband (and missed) and is now locked away in jail.

[NumberSix]

...except for that one hispanic woman who shot at her abusive husband (and missed) and is now locked away in jail.
You mean the woman that felt so "threatened" that she left, got her gun from her car, came back with her gun and fired it (nearly hitting a child)? :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

Hispanic? I know of a black woman who shot a gun to scare off her abusive husband. She's free now by the way.

Zimmerman is free and so is she. Everybody happy.

[longtime lurker]

You know what would have solved this problem? More guns! Guns for stupid reckless dipshit in America!