Phil Jackson: "Quite often I could feel Kobe's hatred.

[Hey Yo]

"Phil Jackson has been remarkably open and frank about his tumultuous first season in New York and his past stints with the Bulls and Lakers in a series of interviews with Charlie Rosen for ESPN, and in an interview published Monday, Jackson recounts how difficult his relationship with Kobe Bryant was at times.

In February, Kobe Bryant reflected on his career in an interview with GQ, and argued that he could have left the Lakers before signing a contract extension in 1999 and taken over the league. Bryant also had some harsh words for Jackson, who had been critical of Bryant at the time.

[B][I]

[keep-itreal]

god dam Kobe really hates Shaq :oldlol:

[Prime_Shaq]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[SuperPippen]

Kobe has always seemed to be somewhat a misanthrope to me. Ah, well, he's got 5 rings, so I'm sure he doesn't give a sh*t.

[sportjames23]

Phil never got this look doe:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Kobe-Bryant-Stares-Down-Coach-Mike-Brown-Lakers-Jazz-Game.gif

[West-Side]

Phil never go this look doe:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Kobe-Bryant-Stares-Down-Coach-Mike-Brown-Lakers-Jazz-Game.gif

That is a king cobra stare.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Wonder what feeling he gets from melo

[HOoopCityJones]

Phil never got this look doe:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Kobe-Bryant-Stares-Down-Coach-Mike-Brown-Lakers-Jazz-Game.gif

Til this day I wanna know what Brown said to make him give off that stare. I doubt it was just cuz we were losing.

[kennethgriffin]

the funny thing is.. kobe could have won 10 titles with shaq and had 7 finals mvps... people would still say "but you had shaq"

winning 2 without him was worth more than any amount of rings with him.. throwing shaq off the bus literally catapulted his all time legacy. best thing that ever happened


and his haters hold onto that bitterness till this very day

[rmt]

Til this day I wanna know what Brown said to make him give off that stare. I doubt it was just cuz we were losing.

How about, "What an idiot. No wonder Lebron left CLE. Where's Phil? I want him back."

[RRR3]

SithLordBe

DarthBe

[Jasper]

I really did not know the triangle was that offensive Jackson / Kobe / Shaq


* I can safely say the triangle offense was a heII of alot better in Chicago than it was in L.A.

[smoovegittar]

Wonder what feeling he gets from melo

Wonder what feelings you get from Melo - :rolleyes:

[G0ATbe]

Most alpha human being of all time:applause: .

[guy]

the funny thing is.. kobe could have won 10 titles with shaq and had 7 finals mvps... people would still say "but you had shaq"

winning 2 without him was worth more than any amount of rings with him.. throwing shaq off the bus literally catapulted his all time legacy. best thing that ever happened


and his haters hold onto that bitterness till this very day

No it wasn't.

[Yoda]

Hate leads to suffering.

[FKAri]

Hate leads to suffering.

You goofed. You didn't invert the sentence. Exposed for the fraud you are! :oldlol:

[Levity]

You goofed. You didn't invert the sentence. Exposed for the fraud you are! :oldlol:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Cocaine80s]

the funny thing is.. kobe could have won 10 titles with shaq and had 0 finals mvps... people would still say "but you had shaq"

fixed.

[triangleoffense]

so alpha

[Mr Feeny]

so alpha

Tbf you misspelt "beta'

[Smoke117]

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]
[B][I]

[Levity]

Tbf you misspelt "beta'

tbf, your current menstrual cycle is affecting your posting quality

[Mr Feeny]

tbf, my current menstrual cycle is affecting my posting quality

Fixed

[Mr Feeny]

That Kobe would care more about individual glory than winning...can't be surprising to anyone.give them kobe stans aloe vera for that burn :lol

[FireDavidKahn]

The woman from Colorado could feel his hatred as well.

[SouBeachTalents]

the funny thing is.. kobe could have won 10 titles with shaq and had 7 finals mvps... people would still say "but you had shaq"

winning 2 without him was worth more than any amount of rings with him.. throwing shaq off the bus literally catapulted his all time legacy. best thing that ever happened


and his haters hold onto that bitterness till this very day

Lmao, if Kobe won 7 Finals MVP's no one would have dogged him about playing with Shaq

[Droid101]

Lmao, if Kobe won 7 Finals MVP's no one would have dogged him about playing with Shaq
Huh? You have branstans on here yelling "1-9" and "He's nothing without Pippen"... you think that 6+ FMVP's would stop that sort of thing, right?

Think again. branstans are actually functional retards. Barely functional.

[Smoke117]

Huh? You have branstans on here yelling "1-9" and "He's nothing without Pippen"... you think that 6+ FMVP's would stop that sort of thing, right?

Think again. branstans are actually functional retards. Barely functional.

A kobe stan bringing up Lebron and calling out Lebron stans in a thread that has nothing to do with him...

https://godofall.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/wade-laugh.gif

[clipps]

That Kobe would care more about individual glory than winning...can't be surprising to anyone.

Kobe would have been just like T-Mac or AI, just with a longer career.

[SouBeachTalents]

Huh? You have branstans on here yelling "1-9" and "He's nothing without Pippen"... you think that 6+ FMVP's would stop that sort of thing, right?

Think again. branstans are actually functional retards. Barely functional.

Lol, while that is an excellent rebuttal, I was referring more so to how things actually played out when Shaq & Kobe played together. But now that you mention 1-9, I think you're right, Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron would get hated on for anything

[Bond007]

the likes of kobe is a dying breed. :bowdown: freakin Alpha:applause:

[Bond007]

Kobe would have been just like T-Mac or AI, just with a longer career.

:facepalm oh your from denver co:rolleyes:

[TheMarkMadsen]

slow news day huh??

[Bond007]

Lol, while that is an excellent rebuttal, I was referring more so to how things actually played out when Shaq & Kobe played together. But now that you mention 1-9, I think you're right, Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron would get hated on for anything

those 3 are probably the most polarizing players in NBA history. they all are obviously phenomenal

[Hey Yo]

Kobe insinuates he would wreck the league if he left in 1999 to go on his own (first option) yet states he stayed because he wanted to play with Shaq and win titles

Isn't that the basic definition of choosing to ride the coattails of the veteran?

Said he could've avg. 35ppg that following year and beyond but yet chose to stay with Phil and Shaq.

[STATUTORY]

Kobe insinuates he would wreck the league if he left in 1999 to go on his own (first option) yet states he stayed because he wanted to play with Shaq and win titles

Isn't that the basic definition of choosing to ride the coattails of the veteran?

Said he could've avg. 35ppg that following year and beyond but yet chose to stay with Phil and Shaq.

he chose to stay with the team that developed him out of loyalty

:coleman: bron fans literally trying to use kobe's loyalty as a stain on his record

[SouBeachTalents]

he chose to stay with the team that developed him out of loyalty

:coleman: bron fans literally trying to use kobe's loyalty as a stain on his record

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded

there's a difference between asking to be traded then rescinding that statement and leaving your team twice within 5 years..

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Mr Feeny]

there's a difference between asking to be traded then rescinding that statement and leaving your team twice within 5 years..

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

He didn't rescind his trade demand. Paxon blocked Kobe's dream move to Chicago. There's no loyalty in there. At the first sign of a struggle he tried to force his way out. True beta.

[Spurs m8]

no shaq..no kobe legacy.

[DJ Leon Smith]

the funny thing is.. kobe could have won 10 titles with shaq and had 7 finals mvps... people would still say "but you had shaq"

winning 2 without him was worth more than any amount of rings with him.. throwing shaq off the bus literally catapulted his all time legacy. best thing that ever happened

No it wasn't. If in 2004 - when Shaq was still clearly the best first option for the Lakers - Kobe was able to bite his tongue and win a fourth ring, let's say Shaq sticks around and from 2006-> the Lakers would have CLEARLY been Kobe's team.

Now let's say Shaq hangs around as a semi-star/super-role player for a while, the Lakers keep winning, then Shaq retires and frees up a ton of cap room to sign a marquee free agent, maybe a superstar who doesn't like being an alpha and wants to play next to a high-octane shooting guard who can take some of the pressure off him down the stretch. Someone like LeBron James. Kobe then wins from 2001-2015 (playing with LeBron means he plays less minutes and doesn't suffer near-career ending injuries), cementing himself as the GOAT and retiring with the most rings won by a player in NBA history.

That would be the best thing that ever happened. But instead Kobe decided to shoot his team out of a ring then play with Smush Parker for a couple of years before crippling himself on a lottery team. Oh well

[Magic 32]

At the first sign of a struggle he tried to force his way out.

Wasting 3 peak years with Kwame and Smush is "first sign of a struggle" ?

I think not.

Lebron has yet to "waste" (stay) a single peak year with that kind of roster.

[Magic 32]

[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]No it wasn't. If in 2004 - when Shaq was still clearly the best first option for the Lakers - Kobe was able to bite his tongue and win a fourth ring, let's say Shaq sticks around and from 2006-> the Lakers would have CLEARLY been Kobe's team.

Now let's say Shaq hangs around as a semi-star/super-role player for a while, the Lakers keep winning, then Shaq retires and frees up a ton of cap room to sign a marquee free agent, maybe a superstar who doesn't like being an alpha and wants to play next to a high-octane shooting guard who can take some of the pressure off him down the stretch. Someone like LeBron James. Kobe then wins from 2001-2015 (playing with LeBron means he plays less minutes and doesn't suffer near-career ending injuries), cementing himself as the GOAT and retiring with the most rings won by a player in NBA history.

That would be the best thing that ever happened. But instead Kobe decided to shoot his team out of a ring then play with Smush Parker for a couple of years before crippling himself on a lottery team. Oh well

[JT123]

He didn't rescind his trade demand. Paxon blocked Kobe's dream move to Chicago. There's no loyalty in there. At the first sign of a struggle he tried to force his way out. True beta.
:applause:

[chips93]

[QUOTE=DJ Leon Smith]No it wasn't. If in 2004 - when Shaq was still clearly the best first option for the Lakers - Kobe was able to bite his tongue and win a fourth ring, let's say Shaq sticks around and from 2006-> the Lakers would have CLEARLY been Kobe's team.

Now let's say Shaq hangs around as a semi-star/super-role player for a while, the Lakers keep winning, then Shaq retires and frees up a ton of cap room to sign a marquee free agent, maybe a superstar who doesn't like being an alpha and wants to play next to a high-octane shooting guard who can take some of the pressure off him down the stretch. Someone like LeBron James. Kobe then wins from 2001-2015 (playing with LeBron means he plays less minutes and doesn't suffer near-career ending injuries), cementing himself as the GOAT and retiring with the most rings won by a player in NBA history.

That would be the best thing that ever happened. But instead Kobe decided to shoot his team out of a ring then play with Smush Parker for a couple of years before crippling himself on a lottery team. Oh well

[rmt]

Lets say the two really do stick together past 2004, as shaq declines, do you really think he happily hands over control of the team to kobe?

Id bet the whole thing would blow up in a big power struggle betwen the two. It was inevitable, shaq wouldn't accept being second banana, just like kobe couldnt accept it any longer after 2004.

Shaq didn't seem to have a problem being second banana to Wade. But I guess it's easier going to a different team with its own franchise player than turning over the reigns to a "kid" that used to be beneath you.

I thought that Parker didn't do a good job handing the reigns over to Leonard last year. Maybe it was Pop's fault - but I think Leonard should have been the focus of the offense instead of this incessant dribbling of Parker trying to get to the rim.