Bernie Sanders: Republicans are an "EMBARRASMENT" on climate change

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZfBENo-2Ek

Let's face it. The USA is the leader of the world. The heart of it all. It's downright embarrasing that there is such a following in the States that believes climate change is a hoax. Jesus ****ing christ people. Wake the **** up UK2K. Wake the **** up NumberSix. Wake the **** up starface. We must act soon or risk the doom of our great Earth. Think about something greater than yourself. It's bigger than you or me. It's a cause for humanity. It's a cause for animals. It's a cause for life.

[BurningHammer]

They just try to protect their businesses.

[NumberSix]

When did I claim that climate change is a hoax? :confusedshrug:

[Akrazotile]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZfBENo-2Ek

Let's face it. The USA is the leader of the world. The heart of it all. It's downright embarrasing that there is such a following in the States that believes climate change is a hoax. Jesus ****ing christ people. Wake the **** up UK2K. Wake the **** up NumberSix. Wake the **** up starface. We must act soon or risk the doom of our great Earth. Think about something greater than yourself. It's bigger than you or me. It's a cause for humanity. It's a cause for animals. It's a cause for life.

Alright. Since you literally spend all day, every day baiting me for attention, I'll throw you a bone here.

I don't deny the potential effects humans can have on the climate/environment. In fact I'm extremely concerned about them. I also don't subscribe to any theories that claim to be able to quantify how much of a changing climate is the result of humans, and how much is occurring naturally. Climate truthers use blatantly overstated rhetoric and that's what rubs a lot of people the wrong way. What's the difference between that and what Trump does?

It's moot anyhow because the NUMBER ONE thing we can do to reduce the carbon footprint of humanity, is to reduce the global population. I am 100% all for that, but the left will never, ever support initiatives that temper population growth in the third world, so what point is there in having a discussion about climate change? Americans driving hybrids is a bandaid on a gunshot.


You happy now homie?

[Patrick Chewing]

I think more Republicans would believe these people if they quit changing the name of it though. First it was Global Warming (and that was proven to be false), and now it's Climate Change which is such a broad open term, it's ridiculous.

For every scientist that says there is negative Climate Change, you can find another scientist saying the Earth is doing what it has always done.


Bottom line, this is a non-issue, but it has become a political one.

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I think more Republicans would believe these people if they quit changing the name of it though. First it was Global Warming (and that was proven to be false), and now it's Climate Change which is such a broad open term, it's ridiculous.

For every scientist that says there is negative Climate Change, you can find another scientist saying the Earth is doing what it has always done.


Bottom line, this is a non-issue, but it has become a political one.
Holy ****ing shit.

You are an idiot.

[KingBeasley08]

Dude, I'm pretty sure even Republicans know climate change is real. It's just that when ExxonMobil is giving you "lobbying" money on the side, you tend to easily look past the facts

[Patrick Chewing]

Holy ****ing shit.

You are an idiot.


Why? Because I don't believe what you believe? I think I'm a pretty smart guy that can come to his own conclusions on things. Are you a scientist? Or did you read an article online?

[Droid101]

For every scientist that says there is negative Climate Change, you can find another scientist saying the Earth is doing what it has always done.


This has been proven wrong so many times that I don't even know where to begin. You seriously believe this?

[KingBeasley08]

For every scientist that says there is negative Climate Change, you can find another scientist saying the Earth is doing what it has always done.


Go for it. Show me a peer-reviewed paper that makes this argument. Hell, don't just show me one. Show me many because there are plenty for the opposite. So if there is one for every paper against climate change, this should be easy for you

[Patrick Chewing]

This has been proven wrong so many times that I don't even know where to begin. You seriously believe this?


I don't even care at this point. My point is that this climate change issue has been beaten to death. It has become political and has become an avenue to snipe at and discredit people. OP fell for my trap.

For the record, Climate Change is a real thing, just not as alarming as Leftists want to make it. Climate Change has become a political tool now.

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I don't even care at this point. My point is that this climate change issue has been beaten to death. It has become political and has become an avenue to snipe at and discredit people. OP fell for my trap.

For the record, Climate Change is a real thing, just not as alarming as Leftists want to make it. Climate Change has become a political tool now.
Is this seriously your rebuttal for climate change? This response is like a politician dodging a question.

[Patrick Chewing]

Go for it. Show me a peer-reviewed paper that makes this argument. Hell, don't just show me one. Show me many because there are plenty for the opposite. So if there is one for every paper against climate change, this should be easy for you


OP created the topic. The burden of proof is on him. OP's thread is merely an attack on people that differ in opinion. If OP wanted to have a serious discussion about climate change, then he or she would have provided evidence of both points of view.

[RidonKs]

I don't even care at this point. My point is that this climate change issue has been beaten to death. It has become political and has become an avenue to snipe at and discredit people. OP fell for my trap.

For the record, Climate Change is a real thing, just not as alarming as Leftists want to make it. Climate Change has become a political tool now.
this is wonderful, a perfect example of the new spin you'll hear on climate change. sure it EXISTS but its just NOT A BIG DEAD and plus its all just a POLITICAL TOOL to advance an AGENDA

no, climate change is the agenda. and it's through no help of the republican party that it is currently on everybody's agenda. in fact as i'm sure mr sanders said, republicans have had more to say about the illegitimacy of man made global warming than probably any other political party in the world. they are masters at manipulating it as a political tool to extract concessions in other business.

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The proof of climate change has been shown hundreds of times. The evidence is everywhere. Yet you rocks can't seem to grasp the issue at hand and what it means for us as a species.

[Akrazotile]

I don't even care at this point. My point is that this climate change issue has been beaten to death. It has become political and has become an avenue to snipe at and discredit people. OP fell for my trap.

For the record, Climate Change is a real thing, just not as alarming as Leftists want to make it. Climate Change has become a political tool now.


This is the essential point.

The problem is human expansion. Not AMERICAN expansion, but human expansion.

The only hope for convincing the left to tackle the REAL cause of human-factored climate change is to have Obama say he supports it before he goes out of office. But the problem is if a Republican wins and continues the same policy the left will hate it again :facepalm


But dey all thinkin for demselves doe :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

I'll tell you who's not serious about Global Warming/Climate Change...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3176630/Video-shows-Hillary-Clinton-boarding-private-jet-just-hours-launching-global-warming-push-s-using-FRENCH-aircraft-burns-347-gallons-fuel-hour.html

[Akrazotile]

this is wonderful, a perfect example of the new spin you'll hear on climate change. sure it EXISTS but its just NOT A BIG DEAD and plus its all just a POLITICAL TOOL to advance an AGENDA

no, climate change is the agenda. and it's through no help of the republican party that it is currently on everybody's agenda. in fact as i'm sure mr sanders said, republicans have had more to say about the illegitimacy of man made global warming than probably any other political party in the world. they are masters at manipulating it as a political tool to extract concessions in other business.


I remember I made a thread a while back debating China's one-child policy, which has been considered an overall success and absolutely vital given the disastrous consequences that would have resulted from ignoring the issue.

And you of course took the side of outrage and indignity, crying foul over some forced abortions and saying because of that they never should have enforced the policy at all.

So you really shouldn't even be talking about climate change. Because you don't have the guts for real, practical, difficult solutions which are typically the necessary ones for major problems. The solution here isn't gonna be to offer tax breaks to people in America who buy a Prius. You might want to institute all sorts of little "feel good" drop-in-the-bucket policies (but only in america and canada, not in any of the places where those poor foreigners who don't get to be white live) but that stuff really isn't gonna make a difference when the population is at 10 billion.

I mean no offense my man, but you can't be soft on serious problems involving large portions of society. And you are too soft to be taken seriously on issues like these.

[Patrick Chewing]

The proof of climate change has been shown hundreds of times. The evidence is everywhere. Yet you rocks can't seem to grasp the issue at hand and what it means for us as a species.


Yes, and I know to come to ISH to get my proof! Thank you! *bro hug* *fist pound* *pull fist back* *explosion*

[KingBeasley08]

I remember I made a thread a while back debating China's one-child policy, which has been considered an overall success and absolutely vital given the disastrous consequences that would have resulted from ignoring the issue.

And you of course took the side of outrage and indignity, crying foul over some forced abortions and saying because of that they never should have enforced the policy at all.

So you really shouldn't even be talking about climate change. Because you don't have the guts for real, practical, difficult solutions which are typically the necessary ones for major problems. The solution here isn't gonna be to offer tax breaks to people in America who buy a Prius. You might want to institute all sorts of little "feel good" drop-in-the-bucket policies (but only in america and canada, not in any of the places where those poor foreigners who don't get to be white live) but that stuff really isn't gonna make a difference when the population is at 10 billion.

I mean no offense my man, but you can't be soft on serious problems involving large portions of society. And you are too soft to be taken seriously on issues like these.
China's one child rule wasn't a complete success. I mean, it did reduce the birth rate but now they've got a shit ton of old people and not enough youngsters to replace them... and not enough immigrants to make up for it. It isn't as simple as one child per person. Not that practical of a solution

[Nanners]

Dude, I'm pretty sure even Republicans know climate change is real. It's just that when ExxonMobil is giving you "lobbying" money on the side, you tend to easily look past the facts

bingo

[West-Side]

China's one child rule wasn't a complete success. I mean, it did reduce the birth rate but now they've got a shit ton of old people and not enough youngsters to replace them... and not enough immigrants to make up for it. It isn't as simple as one child per person. Not that practical of a solution

1) It's an effective short-term strategy (15-20 years) not an effective long-term strategy (century or longer).

2) Uhm there's more 12-30 year olds living in China than any other country currently; don't really understand how there aren't enough "youngsters" living there. The one child rule didn't get implemented in 1700's.

[Akrazotile]

China's one child rule wasn't a complete success. I mean, it did reduce the birth rate but now they've got a shit ton of old people and not enough youngsters to replace them... and not enough immigrants to make up for it. It isn't as simple as one child per person. Not that practical of a solution


Even if this is true, you have to be willing to accept is that there was no perfect solution. There was no possible solution without drawbacks. It's simply about weighing the drawbacks against each other.

Would you rather be born into even-worse squalor and poverty many Chinese are born into and live your whole life in a completely overloaded human pit of nastiness - and still probably have to deal with poverty as an old person - or have at least a little more breathing room and better wages throughout your life, and then deal with a trying circumstance once you're 65?

Old people really wouldn't have had it any better in the alternative scenario anyway. There would be more workers to support them - but also many more old people to be supported.

Overall it was unquestionably the necessary move to make.

[RidonKs]

I remember I made a thread a while back debating China's one-child policy, which has been considered an overall success and absolutely vital given the disastrous consequences that would have resulted from ignoring the issue.

And you of course took the side of outrage and indignity, crying foul over some forced abortions and saying because of that they never should have enforced the policy at all.

So you really shouldn't even be talking about climate change. Because you don't have the guts for real, practical, difficult solutions which are typically the necessary ones for major problems. The solution here isn't gonna be to offer tax breaks to people in America who buy a Prius. You might want to institute all sorts of little "feel good" drop-in-the-bucket policies (but only in america and canada, not in any of the places where those poor foreigners who don't get to be white live) but that stuff really isn't gonna make a difference when the population is at 10 billion.

I mean no offense my man, but you can't be soft on serious problems involving large portions of society. And you are too soft to be taken seriously on issues like these.
i don't see what soft has to do with it tbh :lol :lol

i donate to a local environmental action group. i support political candidates with green agendas. i support and sometimes attend rallies for first nations groups pitting their land rights again big energy. i believe there are hundreds of ways to tackle climate change, from tax measures to retrofitting to public transportation. again if by hard on the problem, you mean yelling at people and telling them they aren't doing enough for the environment, i would say i know how best to spend my energy.

and if you'll check back to that thread, i think you'll find my position wasn't that it was a bad policy; it was that it was a harmful policy and you weren't taking harm into your pro/con calculus. forcing pregnant young women to undergo a coercive surgery that kills their future child without their consent is traumatizing and that trauma is incalculable. whether there were economic benefits is really outside of my concern, since at any given ****ing second i could hand you three examples of policies that would be really heinous but maybe have some benefits in the long run. those policies are actually the easiest ones to devise which is why they have been so popular for so long.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

Some form of carbon tax + as shown in the video above... a holistic land management on a massive scale + and of course always working on renewable energy sources

Those three things, if done correctly could solve A LOT of problems in the world.

[Akrazotile]

i don't see what soft has to do with it tbh :lol :lol

i donate to a local environmental action group. i support political candidates with green agendas. i support and sometimes attend rallies for first nations groups pitting their land rights again big energy. i believe there are hundreds of ways to tackle climate change, from tax measures to retrofitting to public transportation. again if by hard on the problem, you mean yelling at people and telling them they aren't doing enough for the environment, i would say i know how best to spend my energy.


Okay, but the climate/environment problem is that there are 7 billion humans who breathe carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Who burn energy to heat or cool their living spaces. Who rely on ever-increasing amounts of livestock which also put CO2 in the air. Who deplete fish from the ocean at too great a rate. And who clear out forests and ecosystems to expand their tribes and/or nations. And this human population - though luckily tempered in some developed nations - is STILL GROWING overall.

It's a global crisis which, at its root, is about TOO MANY HUMANS.

What are your environment PACs and green-agenda candidates proposing to do about it? I haven't heard these groups address the real problem too often. It's generally just fluffy, hippy, class warfare rhetoric that has nothing to do with the real issue but makes people feel for good for bleeting about the problem.

But maybe I'm not hearing the message correctly. What do you and your Green buddies think we can do about reducing global population?

[RidonKs]

the most significant cost of climate change isn't research, development or design, it's infrastructural overhaul on a massive scale. and we're already way behind where we should be if we want anything in place but 2050... which by the looks of it we don't seem to.

[Akrazotile]

the most significant cost of climate change isn't research, development or design, it's infrastructural overhaul on a massive scale. and we're already way behind where we should be if we want anything in place but 2050... which by the looks of it we don't seem to.


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[UK2K]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZfBENo-2Ek

Let's face it. The USA is the leader of the world. The heart of it all. It's downright embarrasing that there is such a following in the States that believes climate change is a hoax. Jesus ****ing christ people. Wake the **** up UK2K. Wake the **** up NumberSix. Wake the **** up starface. We must act soon or risk the doom of our great Earth. Think about something greater than yourself. It's bigger than you or me. It's a cause for humanity. It's a cause for animals. It's a cause for life.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2015/06/12/flashback-abcs-08-prediction-nyc-under-water-climate-change-june

:oldlol:


New York City underwater? Gas over $9 a gallon? A carton of milk costs almost $13? Welcome to June 12, 2015. Or at least that was the wildly-inaccurate version of 2015 predicted by ABC News exactly seven years ago. Appearing on Good Morning America in 2008, Bob Woodruff hyped Earth 2100, a special that pushed apocalyptic predictions of the then-futuristic 2015. The segment included supposedly prophetic videos, such as a teenager declaring, "It's June 8th, 2015. One carton of milk is $12.99." (On the actual June 8, 2015, a gallon of milk cost, on average, $3.39.) Another clip featured this prediction for the current year: "Gas reached over $9 a gallon." (In reality, gas costs an average of $2.75.)



There's a funny video at the link too. Real scary stuff.

And by the way, I recycle all my cans and plastic.

[RidonKs]

Okay, but the climate/environment problem is that there are 7 billion humans who breathe carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Who burn energy to heat or cool their living spaces. Who rely on ever-increasing amounts of livestock which also put CO2 in the air. Who deplete fish from the ocean at too great a rate. And who clear out forests and ecosystems to expand their tribes and/or nations. And this human population - though luckily tempered in some developed nations - is STILL GROWING overall.

It's a global crisis which, at its root, is about TOO MANY HUMANS.

What are your environment PACs and green-agenda candidates proposing to do about it? I haven't heard these groups address the real problem too often. It's generally just fluffy, hippy, class warfare rhetoric that has nothing to do with the real issue but makes people feel for good for bleeting about the problem.

But maybe I'm not hearing the message correctly. What do you and your Green buddies think we can do about reducing global population?
well we think a number of things. primarily that the number one way of controlling population growth is to empower females. but obviously as you tour around the world with that in mind, you're met with a whole wack of social/cultural problems, not least of which is the agrarian nature of many undeveloped countries which are meeting industrial globalization head on.

each community will be different and what the good ngo's try to do is empower people with resources and assistance to create solutions themselves. this is called international development and it isn't unknown.

the ricardo dilemma you harp on all the time is a bygone problem. over time he was proven wrong about the relationship between reproduction and labour supply. but your spin on his problem, that it isn't supply but rather the nanny welfare state, is a bit more interesting. all you do is mention it though so i'm unfamiliar with your solutions.

i'll be frank finally; the overpopulation problem is not one i concern myself with because it's way too big. how do you stop overpopulation? besides draconian state coercion or mass genocide, i don't have an answer. i think the problem can be tempered indirectly via other means.

the question of why people have kids is insurmountably complicated on an individual level; i don't see how you plan on assessing and solving it on a societal level.

[Akrazotile]

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2015/06/12/flashback-abcs-08-prediction-nyc-under-water-climate-change-june

:oldlol:



There's a funny video at the link too. Real scary stuff.

And by the way, I recycle all my cans and plastic.



:roll:


The industry for herding confused, angsty, identity-crisis sheep into blind rebellion against "the man" is equal parts awesome and incredible.

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Republicans are literally the scum of the Earth

Climate change skeptics
Pro guns
Against gay marriage and the LGBT community
Don't believe taxes should be incremental

At the core they are just slaves run by rich people brainwashing them simple ideas that are just plain immoral and detrimental to society.

[UK2K]

Republicans are literally the scum of the Earth

Climate change skeptics
Pro guns
Against gay marriage and the LGBT community
Don't believe taxes should be incremental

At the core they are just slaves run by rich people brainwashing them simple ideas that are just plain immoral and detrimental to society.

Close. I am pro gay marriage though.

No comment on the END OF THE WORLD video by ABC? You know they made the same arguments you are making, almost decade ago.

Seriously, watch it. Its hilarious.

[RidonKs]

the only thing worse than a caucus of republicans is a board meeting of disney executives

[Akrazotile]

well we think a number of things. primarily that the number one way of controlling population growth is to empower females. but obviously as you tour around the world with that in mind, you're met with a whole wack of social/cultural problems, not least of which is the agrarian nature of many undeveloped countries which are meeting industrial globalization head on.

each community will be different and what the good ngo's try to do is empower people with resources and assistance to create solutions themselves. this is called international development and it isn't unknown.

the ricardo dilemma you harp on all the time is a bygone problem. over time he was proven wrong about the relationship between reproduction and labour supply. but your spin on his problem, that it isn't supply but rather the nanny welfare state, is a bit more interesting. all you do is mention it though so i'm unfamiliar with your solutions.

i'll be frank finally; the overpopulation problem is not one i concern myself with because it's way too big. how do you stop overpopulation? besides draconian state coercion or mass genocide, i don't have an answer. i think the problem can be tempered indirectly via other means.

the question of why people have kids is insurmountably complicated on an individual level; i don't see how you plan on assessing and solving it on a societal level.



Ok well I can appreciate the fact that these areas youre focused on are well intentioned, but if you "dont concern yourself much with population" then I think youre wasting your time.

I dont have all the necessary answers, but the first step is correctly identifying the real problem. And I strogly believe that to be global pop, and I am sure the data would back that up, so if you arent concerned with it then I cant really take your position seriously.

We got a billion humans on Africa, while Rhino and Elephant species are going extinct forever. Unqiue creatures that took eons and eons of nature to evolve. Do we really need another million starving africans at their expense? We dont, but the medical industry makes a boatload off our "aid" and bleeding hearts are easily convinced its the right thing to do. Yeah, guess what, it isnt.

[UK2K]

Ok well I can appreciate the fact that these areas youre focused on are well intentioned, but if you "dont concern yourself much with population" then I think youre wasting your time.

I dont have all the necessary answers, but the first step is correctly identifying the real problem. And I strogly believe that to be global pop, and I am sure the data would back that up, so if you arent concerned with it then I cant really take your position seriously.

We got a billion humans on Africa, while Rhino and Elephant species are going extinct forever. Unqiue creatures that took eons and eons of nature to evolve. Do we really need another million starving africans at their expense? We dont, but the medical industry makes a boatload off our "aid" and bleeding hearts are easily convinced its the right thing to do. Yeah, guess what, it isnt.

In a social issues class in college, some chick made a presentation about starving people in Africa.

After the video was done, she asked if anyone had any questions.

I asked 'if they are struggling to eat, why do they have 13 children in their family?' Silence. You would think after, I don't know, 8 and it became harder to eat, you would stop ****ing.

Guess not.

[RidonKs]

again i am not saying i don't think it's important, i said i am unconcerned with talking about it, because discussing and solving other social problems will naturally mitigate the population problem over time.

more than that, you can't talk about population. you'll notice it's not a universal problem. solving the demographics problem in japan is very different from solving it in india. and then everywhere in between.

here's a narrative for you that seems constructive and viable; people pop out kids when they are materially insecure because in spite of the cost of rearing there is a better chance you'll "get some damn help around here" like an old crotchety grandpa

[UK2K]

again i am not saying i don't think it's important, i said i am unconcerned with talking about it, because discussing and solving other social problems will naturally mitigate the population problem over time.

more than that, you can't talk about population. you'll notice it's not a universal problem. solving the demographics problem in japan is very different from solving it in india. and then everywhere in between.

here's a narrative for you that seems constructive and viable; people pop out kids when they are materially insecure because in spite of the cost of rearing there is a better chance you'll "get some damn help around here" like an old crotchety grandpa

Well here in the US it means more money, so I can understand why people try and shit out as many as possible.

[RidonKs]

Well here in the US it means more money, so I can understand why people try and shit out as many as possible.
not necessarily. the expectations of raising a child in the us are far higher than in brazil. whether you think people have to follow convention and expectation or not, they DO and they buy all kinds of crap and the child winds up losing out on valuable resources because people's spending habits generally suck. not to mention working hours in the united states have actually gone up, so even if you're getting more on your check for popping one out, you have less time to take care of them just in basic ways so they aren't crying all the time, let alone actually building a relationship with your kids which is one of the harder things people find in life.

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So just because there's too many people on the earth, we shouldn't do anything about climate change unless it's a population control approach? Do you have any idea how stupid that is?

How about we just don't even exist? That way we would have solved climate change and all of our problems because we are dead! LMAO!

Face it. Population control will never be the answer. Climate change is a GLOBAL issue and what right do you have over a Chinese or someone from another country to say you can't procreate, but somehow you can? You have no more right than anyone else. But you'd never want to live like that... So stop suggesting it as a solution when it will never be the solution because of people like you who would talk the talk, but would NEVER walk the walk.

We need SMART alternative plans, methods, ideas.

[RidonKs]

anyway thank god for bernie sanders and the dull pounding of his rhetoric. he is beating his drum and america is tapping its foot. climate change. income inequality. corporate welfare. that's the core of it right there and it's resonating.

what's funny is the mirror image of both republicans and democrats reaching into its extremities for attention grabbing candidates outside of the narrow two party mainstream. except whereas the left goes into progressive circles and pulls out sanders and deblasio, the gop reaches into crazytown and gets trump and bachman and cain and the rest of the loony tones.

the establishment center is completely out of touch with main street america

[NumberSix]

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So just because there's too many people on the earth, we shouldn't do anything about climate change unless it's a population control approach? Do you have any idea how stupid that is?

How about we just don't even exist? That way we would have solved climate change and all of our problems because we are dead! LMAO!

Face it. Population control will never be the answer. Climate change is a GLOBAL issue and what right do you have over a Chinese or someone from another country to say you can't procreate, but somehow you can? You have no more right than anyone else. But you'd never want to live like that... So stop suggesting it as a solution when it will never be the solution because of people like you who would talk the talk, but would NEVER walk the walk.

We need SMART alternative plans, methods, ideas.
Are you aware that 1/4 of the air pollution in San Francisco is pollution from China that drifted all the way across the Pacific Ocean? Yeah, China pollutes THAT much. So please, stop lecturing us about the climate. Start pounding on China's door.

[Akrazotile]

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So just because there's too many people on the earth, we shouldn't do anything about climate change unless it's a population control approach? Do you have any idea how stupid that is?

How about we just don't even exist? That way we would have solved climate change and all of our problems because we are dead! LMAO!

Face it. Population control will never be the answer. Climate change is a GLOBAL issue and what right do you have over a Chinese or someone from another country to say you can't procreate, but somehow you can? You have no more right than anyone else. But you'd never want to live like that... So stop suggesting it as a solution when it will never be the solution because of people like you who would talk the talk, but would NEVER walk the walk.

We need SMART alternative plans, methods, ideas.



I'm sure this is wonderful bait centered nicely around your obsession with me, but I dont have time to read it cause Im bout to head to the gym. Im gettin back in SHAPE baby, and then some!

Youre gonna love my next shirtless pic ;)

[RidonKs]

Are you aware that 1/4 of the air pollution in San Francisco is pollution from China that drifted all the way across the Pacific Ocean? Yeah, China pollutes THAT much. So please, stop lecturing us about the climate. Start pounding on China's door.no u cvnt the chinese are doing that so we dont have to, ur on our doorstep so open up and start helping or move to china and help them u stoopid jerk

[oarabbus]

When did I claim that climate change is a hoax? :confusedshrug:

What are your thoughts on climate change?

Specifically... Do you agree that climate deniers are simply denying reality? Should steps be taken (nationally) to address the issue of climate change, if you believe it is real? Regardless of whether China may be polluting more than us, the US is a significant contributor to global pollution.

[NumberSix]

What are your thoughts on climate change?

Specifically... Do you agree that climate deniers are simply denying reality? Should steps be taken (nationally) to address the issue of climate change, if you believe it is real? Regardless of whether China may be polluting more than us, the US is a significant contributor to global pollution.
Yes. Obviously. There is no matter of opinion about it. It's a fact.

[RidonKs]

Should steps be taken (internationally) to address the issue of climate change
fixed for better question

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no u cvnt the chinese are doing that so we dont have to, ur on our doorstep so open up and start helping or move to china and help them u stoopid jerk
Classic

They are always shifting the blame to others...

"It's not us with guns! It's da culture! We need MOAR guns! If everyone has a gun, nobody will get shot!!!!!!"


Fu-ck-ing idiots.

[Droid101]

oblig

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4254681996_27b1ed7ff0.jpg

[NumberSix]

Classic

They are always shifting the blame to others...

"It's not us with guns! It's da culture! We need MOAR guns! If everyone has a gun, nobody will get shot!!!!!!"


Fu-ck-ing idiots.
Said nobody,ever.

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Said nobody,ever.
It's the jist of most republicans gun argument

[RidonKs]

Classic

They are always shifting the blame to others...

"It's not us with guns! It's da culture! We need MOAR guns! If everyone has a gun, nobody will get shot!!!!!!"


Fu-ck-ing idiots.
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[Hawker]

OP voted for Tony Abbott

[RidonKs]

OP voted for Tony Abbott
who the fck is tony abbott?

FERNER WE GOT A FERNER IN HERE FELLAS SOMEBODY POKE HIM WITH A FLAG

[Nanners]

tony abbott is an embarrassment to humanity. literally one of the shittiest human beans on the planet.

[KingBeasley08]

idk much about Abbott. One Aussie I know called him the George Bush of Australia doe so I got a solid idea of how good he is :lol

[RidonKs]

oblig

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4254681996_27b1ed7ff0.jpg
i love that pic

[gigantes]

it's already too late.

i say just try to enjoy the ride and see the positive-- that you'll get to experience first-hand the most legendary and fascinating period of human history, i.e. the very last generation of atlanteans.

[falc39]

There's always nuclear power, the most efficient energy source known to mankind. But the irony is that the NIMBYs who oppose it tend to lean left. I always found it hypocritical of them to be all about climate change yet resist the use nuclear power.

[TripleA]

Doesn't animal farming cause take up huge amounts in resources and has terrible carbon footprint.

[RidonKs]

There's always nuclear power, the most efficient energy source known to mankind. But the irony is that the NIMBYs who oppose it tend to lean left. I always found it hypocritical of them to be all about climate change yet resist the use nuclear power.
my uncle went on a big nuclear tear a few years ago and made many of those arguments and i'm not so worried about the dangers of nuclear energy programs. but they're bloody expensive which is why private business refuses to get into it. and that's before you hit all the safety tagging red tape from regulatory bodies.

the accidents are largely a result of poor upkeep from lack of funding. if plants were cheaper, accidents would not occur.

[Patrick Chewing]

Republicans are literally the scum of the Earth

Climate change skeptics
Pro guns
Against gay marriage and the LGBT community
Don't believe taxes should be incremental



We know you're a troll, but there are a lot of Liberal members on here that believe this fantasy tale too.

- Republicans don't deny climate change. We, or at least I deny the claim of man's carbon footprint making such a huge chance in such a small amount of time.

- I bet if you were to split gun ownership down the middle between Democrats and Republicans, it would be 50/50.

- If Republicans are against gay marriage, then does that mean that all Jews and Muslims in this country are Republican? You see what I did there?

- Americans pay plenty of taxes as is. It's Washington who is making an inordinate amount of money. Income tax rates should be lower. I believe in a flat tax.

[gigantes]

- Republicans don't deny climate change. We, or at least I deny the claim of man's carbon footprint making such a huge chance in such a small amount of time.
so therefore you avoid studying why this is possible so as to remain uneducated on the issue...?

[Patrick Chewing]

so therefore you avoid studying why this is possible so as to remain uneducated on the issue...?

So I should only study the facts and documents that support this theory and ignore the other facts and documents from other scientists that deny this theory?

[UK2K]

We know you're a troll, but there are a lot of Liberal members on here that believe this fantasy tale too.

- Republicans don't deny climate change. We, or at least I deny the claim of man's carbon footprint making such a huge chance in such a small amount of time.

- I bet if you were to split gun ownership down the middle between Democrats and Republicans, it would be 50/50.

- If Republicans are against gay marriage, then does that mean that all Jews and Muslims in this country are Republican? You see what I did there?

- Americans pay plenty of taxes as is. It's Washington who is making an inordinate amount of money. Income tax rates should be lower. I believe in a flat tax.

I agree with absolutely everything you said. From the stance on climate change to the flat tax.

[gigantes]

So I should only study the facts and documents that support this theory and ignore the other facts and documents from other scientists that deny this theory?
no... if you were actually interested in the facts, you would try to find out why that statement is a load of horseshit and specious reasoning.


but actually, for the large number of folks such as yourself, i think it's probably far better for you all to not pursue the facts in this matter. it'll just be a smoother plummet for everyone... as opposed to apeshit anarchy, that is.

theoretically i would like to hear someone say "i don't believe in man-made climate change because it's just too complicated, depressing, and takes away too much of my hope. of course that won't stop me from freaking out and blaming anyone i can think of when things get really, really shitty."

i would be forced to step back and say "uhhh... whoa. good answer. i have to admit that i understand your reasoning, appreciate your honesty, and really can't hold it against you."

too beta...? :(

[Patrick Chewing]

Is that all people do on ISH? Attack others that do not follow blindly behind them and believe the same crap they do?

If you're not a Climate Scientist, then no one on here should be in a position to tell people that they are right and you are wrong. I've provided the same amount of facts as you guys have provided: 0.

Science is always evolving, and when you have scientists disagreeing with one another, the last thing you should do is go on a message board and demean someone because they don't believe your guy.

Notice how I don't create threads on how Climate Change is a natural occurrence and then go demeaning people that believe otherwise?


Almost every Climate Change thread on this board has been started by some Uber-Liberal baiting people to dispute them and their "proof".

[longtime lurker]

Bernie Sanders could have just stopped at Republicans are an embarrassment

[gigantes]

personally, chewing, i've done what i could in my adult life and it's going to be up to the rest of you to deal with this stuff.

the last things left were just to understand the major players in the scene and try to understand why people think the way they do.

i can't think of what else is left other than to wait and see if a carbon capture tech comes along to extend the ride a bit longer.