Jordan-before-Pippen vs Shaq-before-Kobe

[orange_chicken]

Which player was better?

[DonDadda59]

Jordan, easily. Shaq just had far and away the better team. Penny Hardaway before his injuries was a bonafide franchise player and potential ATG. He was on the Magic in Shaq's second season.

Jordan had MVPs, DPOYs, scoring titles, and a host of all NBA selections to his name. Don't think Shaq even made an all NBA team until his 4th season.

[RidonKs]

first shaq coming out of the gates
then jordan doing his triple double thing
then jordan winning three championships
then shaq while jordan played baseball
then jordan winning another three championships
then kobe takes over

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2iw5jyJoQ1r1kle4o1_500.gif

[RRR3]

Jordan, easily. Shaq just had far and away the better team. Penny Hardaway before his injuries was a bonafide franchise player and potential ATG. He was on the Magic in Shaq's second season.

Jordan had MVPs, DPOYs, scoring titles, and a host of all NBA selections to his name. Don't think Shaq even made an all NBA team until his 4th season.
Shaq was all-NBA 3rd team in his sophomore year.

[DonDadda59]

Shaq was all-NBA 3rd team in his sophomore year.

My mistake. Got confused because he didn't make a first team until 1998.

But yes, Shaq was a perennial 3rd teamer during the first years of his career, making one 2nd team. Crazy how stacked the center position was.

[RRR3]

Yes, Hakeem, Shaq, DRob, Ewing, Zo, Mutombo :bowdown: man I wish I saw those guys :( I mean I saw old Shaq Zo and Deke but that isn't the same

[kennethgriffin]

before kobe turned into a top 10 player


1992-93 Magic = Lottery
1993-94 Magic = Swept ( 1st round )
1994-95 Magic = Swept ( finals )
1995-96 Magic = Swept ( 3rd round )
1996-97 Lakers = Lost 1-4 ( 2nd round
1997-98 Lakers = Swept ( 3rd round )
1998-99 Lakers = Swept ( 2nd round )



before pippen turned into a top 10 player


1984-85 Bulls = lost 1-3 ( 1st round )
1985-86 Bulls = Swept ( 1st round )
1986-87 Bulls = Swept ( 1st round )
1987-88 Bulls = lost 1-4 ( 2nd round )
1988-89 Bulls = lost 2-4 ( 3rd round )
1989-90 Bulls = lost 3-4 ( 3rd round )







both sucked sh*t

[ClipperRevival]

Both set the league on fire the moment they stepped on the court. It's close but I would give the nod to MJ.

[TheMan]

Yes, Hakeem, Shaq, DRob, Ewing, Zo, Mutombo :bowdown: man I wish I saw those guys :( I mean I saw old Shaq Zo and Deke but that isn't the same
The second tier centers like Brad Daugherty, Vlade Divac and Rik Smits would be top tier today.

Makes it that much more amazing that Jordan dominated an era of legit bigs with Cartwright and Longley as his centers.

[TheMan]

before kobe turned into a top 10 player


1992-93 Magic = Lottery
1993-94 Magic = Swept ( 1st round )
1994-95 Magic = Swept ( finals )
1995-96 Magic = Swept ( 3rd round )
1996-97 Lakers = Lost 1-4 ( 2nd round
1997-98 Lakers = Swept ( 3rd round )
1998-99 Lakers = Swept ( 2nd round )



before pippen turned into a top 10 player




1984-85 Bulls = lost 1-3 ( 1st round )
1985-86 Bulls = Swept ( 1st round )
1986-87 Bulls = Swept ( 1st round )
1987-88 Bulls = lost 1-4 ( 2nd round )
1988-89 Bulls = lost 2-4 ( 3rd round )
1989-90 Bulls = lost 3-4 ( 3rd round )







both sucked sh*t

Lol, Pippen wasn't top ten in the first few Bulls NBA titles.

Shaq carried Kobe in their first three titles, not the other way around...

Deal with it

[kennethgriffin]

Lol, Pippen wasn't top ten in the first few Bulls NBA titles.

Shaq carried Kobe in their first three titles, not the other way around...

Deal with it


:roll:

some say pippen was the 1991 finals mvp

dude shut down magic johnson after he blasted MJ with p*ss in game 1



1991 - 18/7/6
1992 - 21/8/7


1991 playoffs - 22/9/6
1992 playoffs - 20/9/7

[DonDadda59]

:roll:

some say pippen was the 1991 finals mvp

dude shut down magic johnson after he blasted MJ with p*ss in game 1

:biggums:

[kennethgriffin]

:biggums:


:biggums:

[ClipperRevival]

:roll:

some say pippen was the 1991 finals mvp

dude shut down magic johnson after he blasted MJ with p*ss in game 1



1991 - 18/7/6
1992 - 21/8/7


1991 playoffs - 22/9/6
1992 playoffs - 20/9/7

:facepalm :biggums: Jesus Christ bro. MJ was arguably at his peak in the 1991 Finals.

[kennethgriffin]

1991 playoffs - 22/9/6
1992 playoffs - 20/9/7

dont know any universe where this isnt a top 10 player


especially when he has all nba defense added in the mix and is running PG on offense while defending PG/SG/SF/PF on defense

[kennethgriffin]

:facepalm :biggums: Jesus Christ bro. MJ was arguably at his peak in the 1991 Finals.


ok jordan was MVP.. but for that series pippen was MIP

theres a reason phil told pipp to take over for MJ on magic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIQkpwduVns

[andgar923]

Kenny when are we hooping man!

:applause:

[bond10]

some say pippen was the 1991 finals mvp

dude shut down magic johnson after he blasted MJ with p*ss in game 1


:facepalm

This is the dumbest post I've ever encountered on this site. The above is a complete myth I don't even know where to begin. 3ball is probably writing a reply complete with 2 sentences, 3 MJ gifs, and stats to debunk your stupid post.

[DonDadda59]

ok jordan was MVP.. but for that series pippen was MIP

theres a reason phil told pipp to take over for MJ on magic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIQkpwduVns

Could it be that a 6'8" player would be better suited to guard a 6'9" player than a 6'6" player would be?

Doesn't really take a coaching genius to figure this out.

Jordan was far and away the best player not only in that series, but in the entire world. Stop it son.

[TheMan]

:roll:

some say pippen was the 1991 finals mvp

dude shut down magic johnson after he blasted MJ with p*ss in game 1



1991 - 18/7/6
1992 - 21/8/7


1991 playoffs - 22/9/6
1992 playoffs - 20/9/7
:biggums:

Where's that "Post The Dumbest Things You've Heard Said" on Insidehoops...we got kennethgriffin's latest entry :crazysam:

[kennethgriffin]

:facepalm

This is the dumbest post I've ever encountered on this site. The above is a complete myth I don't even know where to begin. 3ball is probably writing a reply complete with 2 sentences to debunk your stupid post, 3 MJ gifs, and stats.


Magic Johnson stats

game 1 vs JORDAN = Lakers win, 19 points on 80% fg's


game 2 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 14 points on 30% fg's
game 3 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 22 points on 46% fg's
game 4 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 22 points on 46% fg's
game 5 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 16 points on 33% fg's



magic was out rebounded by pippen 3 of the 4 games when matching up





magic F*CKED mike in his finals virgin having an*s


pipp saved the series

[andgar923]

Magic Johnson stats

game 1 vs JORDAN = Lakers win, 19 points on 80% fg's


game 2 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 14 points on 30% fg's
game 3 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 22 points on 46% fg's
game 4 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 22 points on 46% fg's
game 5 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 16 points on 33% fg's



magic was out rebounded by pippen 3 of the 4 games when matching up





magic F*CKED mike in his finals virgin having an*s


pipp saved the series

Uh... you do know MJ guarded him for most of the series right?

[Keno]

before kobe turned into a top 10 player


1992-93 Magic = Lottery
1993-94 Magic = Swept ( 1st round )
1994-95 Magic = Swept ( finals )
1995-96 Magic = Swept ( 3rd round )
1996-97 Lakers = Lost 1-4 ( 2nd round
1997-98 Lakers = Swept ( 3rd round )
1998-99 Lakers = Swept ( 2nd round )



before pippen turned into a top 10 player


1984-85 Bulls = lost 1-3 ( 1st round )
1985-86 Bulls = Swept ( 1st round )
1986-87 Bulls = Swept ( 1st round )
1987-88 Bulls = lost 1-4 ( 2nd round )
1988-89 Bulls = lost 2-4 ( 3rd round )
1989-90 Bulls = lost 3-4 ( 3rd round )







both sucked sh*t

guess phil jackson died.

[Cali Syndicate]

before kobe turned into a top 10 player


1992-93 Magic = Lottery
1993-94 Magic = Swept ( 1st round )
1994-95 Magic = Swept ( finals )
1995-96 Magic = Swept ( 3rd round )
1996-97 Lakers = Lost 1-4 ( 2nd round
1997-98 Lakers = Swept ( 3rd round )
1998-99 Lakers = Swept ( 2nd round )



before pippen turned into a top 10 player


1984-85 Bulls = lost 1-3 ( 1st round )
1985-86 Bulls = Swept ( 1st round )
1986-87 Bulls = Swept ( 1st round )
1987-88 Bulls = lost 1-4 ( 2nd round )
1988-89 Bulls = lost 2-4 ( 3rd round )
1989-90 Bulls = lost 3-4 ( 3rd round )







both sucked sh*t

Kobe without Shaq or pau

06 lost 3-4 first round while giving up in the 2nd half of game 7.

07 swept in the first round.

And this is Kobe at his absolute peak.

And these suns teams would lose to any of those teams the bulls lost to in a 7 game series.

And lol at arguing the fmvp against a player who averaged 30 and 10, a game winner and a game where he hit like 13 straight shots ending with one of the most iconic moments still heralded today.

[kennethgriffin]

lets just all admit that if kobe let a guy shoot 80% in a game 1 loss... then his coach demoted him to defending role players in the finals and kobes team mate locked up that same guy for the next 4 games in a back door sweep.. are we as an ISH community really gonna honestly and truly deny the fact that every single person on here would be sh*tting on kobe and saying that defensive role player was the real finals mvp? how is this sh*t any different than the iggy FMVP selection over curry?????????




http://media.giphy.com/media/FD6qC92PEO6dO/giphy.gif

[bond10]

Magic Johnson stats

game 1 vs JORDAN = Lakers win, 19 points on 80% fg's


game 2 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 14 points on 30% fg's
game 3 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 22 points on 46% fg's
game 4 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 22 points on 46% fg's
game 5 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 16 points on 33% fg's



magic was out rebounded by pippen 3 of the 4 games when matching up





magic F*CKED mike in his finals virgin having an*s


pipp saved the series


Did you even watch the series? Jordan was guarding Magic like 90% of the time. Pippen only guarded him in short stretches of game 2 and 3...

[Dragonyeuw]

:facepalm

This is the dumbest post I've ever encountered on this site. The above is a complete myth I don't even know where to begin. 3ball is probably writing a reply complete with 2 sentences, 3 MJ gifs, and stats to debunk your stupid post.

You're underestimating the reply to come. Probably a dissertation, enough gifs to crash the site, and more stats than basketball-reference.

[kennethgriffin]

Did you even watch the series? Jordan was guarding Magic like 90% of the time. Pippen only guarded him in short stretches...


revisionist as f*ck

:roll:

[kennethgriffin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eibq7MpTAvE



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[scandisk_]

revisionist as f*ck

:roll:

It's past your bedtime kenneth. hush hush. You'll ain't filling sikk's place bruh

[Cali Syndicate]

lets just all admit that if kobe let a guy shoot 80% in a game 1 loss... then his coach demoted him to defending role players in the finals and kobes team mate locked up that same guy for the next 4 games in a back door sweep.. are we as an ISH community really gonna honestly and truly deny the fact that every single person on here would be sh*tting on kobe and saying that defensive role player was the real finals mvp? how is this sh*t any different than the iggy FMVP selection over curry?????????




http://media.giphy.com/media/FD6qC92PEO6dO/giphy.gif

Curry struggled. MJ didnt. How is this the same?

[TheMan]

Magic Johnson stats

game 1 vs JORDAN = Lakers win, 19 points on 80% fg's


game 2 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 14 points on 30% fg's
game 3 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 22 points on 46% fg's
game 4 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 22 points on 46% fg's
game 5 vs Pippen = Bulls win, 16 points on 33% fg's



magic was out rebounded by pippen 3 of the 4 games when matching up





magic F*CKED mike in his finals virgin having an*s


pipp saved the series
Actually, 3ball has posted exactly how much Pip defended Magic and when you break it all down, it isn't as much as you think. BTW, who guarded Magic when Pippen fouled out in Game 3 and the game went to OT and led them to the victory to grab the control of the series?

Take a wild guess, buddy

[kennethgriffin]

Actually, 3ball has posted exactly how much Pip defended Magic and when you break it all down, it isn't as much as you think. BTW, who guarded Magic when Pippen fouled out in Game 3 and the game went to OT and led them to the victory to grab the control of the series?

Take a wild guess, buddy



you sound like me when defending kobes 2000 nba finals


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[bond10]

lets just all admit that if kobe let a guy shoot 80% in a game 1 loss... then his coach demoted him to defending role players in the finals and kobes team mate locked up that same guy for the next 4 games in a back door sweep.. are we as an ISH community really gonna honestly and truly deny the fact that every single person on here would be sh*tting on kobe and saying that defensive role player was the real finals mvp? how is this sh*t any different than the iggy FMVP selection over curry?????????




http://media.giphy.com/media/FD6qC92PEO6dO/giphy.gif

So your REAL agenda is here. Why don't you just use this as a thread instead of this failed 91 final comparison LOL

http://chasing23.com/did-scottie-pippen-always-guard-the-other-teams-best-player/

[andgar923]

Kenny, wtf why are you avoiding me?

I aint even calling you out or saying Im gonna whoop you. I just wanna hoop homes.

Lets go hoop and you can come back to the board and brag how you whooped a 5'6 Mexican.

I honestly just wanna hoop :(

[DonDadda59]

you sound like me when defending kobes 2000 nba finals


:roll: :roll: :roll:

15.6 PPG on 37% FG is indefensible.

[TheMan]

YouTube don't lie...MJ guarded Magic the majority of the Finals...of course you'd know this if you were around back then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLa2NoCwUKY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[TheMilkyBarKid]

lets just all admit that if kobe let a guy shoot 80% in a game 1 loss... then his coach demoted him to defending role players in the finals and kobes team mate locked up that same guy for the next 4 games in a back door sweep.. are we as an ISH community really gonna honestly and truly deny the fact that every single person on here would be sh*tting on kobe and saying that defensive role player was the real finals mvp? how is this sh*t any different than the iggy FMVP selection over curry?????????




http://media.giphy.com/media/FD6qC92PEO6dO/giphy.gif
:facepalm

[ShawkFactory]

Both were dominant but Jordan was better

[Megabox!]

I'll pick the guy who wasn't 1-9 without their teammate