If the Confederate Flag offends people...

[warriorfan]

Most of the Confederate flag owners I have heard from try to say they don't support racism, they are into freedom and state rights and all that. While I see where they are coming from it's insanely disrespectful to try to just disregard the whole part of the institution of slavery which the Confederate flag also represents.

Shouldn't the US flag offend people just as much?

USA flag does represent the eradication of the Native Americans of North America whether you like it or not. I'm sure most people that fly the USA flag aren't celebrating genocide but at the same time you cannot turn a blind eye to it.

If people fly these flags while disregarding the atrocities that their nations have committed... What is the problem with flying a Nazi flag and claiming you aren't repping the extermination of Jews, but just the hard work and nationalism of the party?

[You Cant Ban Me]

Dont mind OP, his mom dropped him a lot when he was baby.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Winners make the rules.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Does the Confederate flag represent racism?

Or

Does the Confederate flag represent the Confederate Army?


Some of us are retards. While some of us have brains.

[BasedTom]

I'm not offended by it, I just think it's trashy and for the low class. Same with calf tattoos and tramp stamps

[Myth]

People talk about it being offensive, but it is more than that, it is often used as a flag of intimidation. I hear people say, "Don't like it, don't look at it." I'm sorry, but a black person would not be wise to turn their backs on a redneck with a confederate flag. It is a safety issue for many, and people can't tell if you are one of the "heritage" people or one of the "Kill'em all" people.

People also talk about the heritage, but the flag was mostly unused for 100 years following the Civil War and was brought back to the mainstream specifically to protest the Civil Rights Movement. Not sure how people don't see that the flag was specifically used to symbolize hate, because the heritage bullshit was not a thing until recently.

[Lakers Legend#32]

The Dixie Swastika

[rufuspaul]

Most of the Confederate flag owners I have heard from try to say they don't support racism, they are into freedom and state rights and all that.


"States rights" is code for slavery and the economic and social model it provided.

[GreggPopazit]

Exactly. Every countries flag represents some sort of violence. The American flag represents way more terror and crime than the Confederate Flag ever could and it flies freely everywhere. As does the British flag, the Russian, The Communist Chinese etc.

I think the issue is that the Confederates were the enemy of the United States yet theyre allowed to fly the flag anywhere. To me thats stupid.

The American flag represents a whole ton more and was not founded or used to symbolize terror and crime. It was used to symbolize a country trying to separate themselves from taxation without representation. The Confederate flag is mostly about slavery. The Confederacy was also trying to separate themselves from another country, but their reasons were about them fighting for the right to keep black slaves.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's crazy how before this kid shot up that church, the flag was a non-issue.


The power of the media.

[StephHamann]

It's crazy how before this kid shot up that church, the flag was a non-issue.


The power of the media.

Power of idiots watching too much media

[RidonKs]

yes, i'm sure in many a native village to modern day reserves, occasionally the us flag gets stomped and burned

[GreggPopazit]

It's crazy how before this kid shot up that church, the flag was a non-issue.


The power of the media.

It was an issue. It just wasn't talked about across the nation all at once.

[Patrick Chewing]

It was an issue. It just wasn't talked about across the nation all at once.


That flag had been flying on that State Capitol for 40 years. Couldn't have been that much of an issue.

We live in the age of social media. Where our past transgressions or embarrassing moments are brought to life and we are then ostracized from society. It's a sad game of what else can we be angry at today? What social injustice am I not aware of that must be brought to the light?

[GreggPopazit]

That flag had been flying on that State Capitol for 40 years. Couldn't have been that much of an issue.

We live in the age of social media. Where our past transgressions or embarrassing moments are brought to life and we are then ostracized from society. It's a sad game of what else can we be angry at today? What social injustice am I not aware of that must be brought to the light?

It wasn't that people weren't offended by it previously and the shooting suddenly made them offended. It was more that the shooting gave people who wanted it down the leverage to finally get it down.

Heck, the NCAA had a ban on the state from holding national championship games because of the flag.

A quick Google search shows many articles about people wanting it down prior to the shooting, including this one from October 2014: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20141001/PC1603/141009948/south-carolina-capitols-confederate-flag-is-campaign-issue

[rufuspaul]

It wasn't that people weren't offended by it previously and the shooting suddenly made them offended. It was more that the shooting gave people who wanted it down the leverage to finally get it down.

Heck, the NCAA had a ban on the state from holding national championship games because of the flag.

A quick Google search shows many articles about people wanting it down prior to the shooting, including this one from October 2014: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20141001/PC1603/141009948/south-carolina-capitols-confederate-flag-is-campaign-issue


There were several efforts to get the flag removed over the years that got thwarted by the general assembly. Eventually a compromise was reached which took the flag off the capitol dome and put on a flagpole in front of the capitol. This action pleased no one. It finally took people getting killed to get it completely off the grounds.

[UK2K]

There were several efforts to get the flag removed over the years that got thwarted by the general assembly. Eventually a compromise was reached which took the flag off the capitol dome and put on a flagpole in front of the capitol. This action pleased no one. It finally took people getting killed to get it completely off the grounds.
And racism disappeared.

Except in the half dozen other states that have symbols of the confederacy in their flag.

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If someone is offended by something must it be changed or eliminated?

Why are we as a society such liberal vahginas?

[UK2K]

If someone is offended by something must it be changed or eliminated?

Why are we as a society such liberal vahginas?

I point back to the same idea in a thread the other day...

People can't control their emotions anymore. It is never anybody's fault. There is always someone somewhere to blame.

[CeilingFan#1]

If someone is offended by something must it be changed or eliminated?

Why are we as a society such liberal vahginas?

At a government building, with enough reason for people to be offended, sure. Let the rednecks be offensive all they want. Nobody is taking away their right to have their rebel flag, no matter how dumb they look.

[SCdac]

Being offended by the confederate flag, I get it, it's divisive. we could go back and forth for hours but I get it...

but, as the topic brings up... an American being offended by the US flag?? that's overly sensitive, "we should at every waking moment feel guilty for our past" bullshit. We talked about that in one of my college courses and thankfully people generally agreed.

But older generations agree too. About a month ago at my job I brought up the idea of removing the American flag due to it's supposed "offensive" nature, and this 40-something year old black dude who now works in the health insurance industry was just about flabbergasted. He said basically, "I spent 20 years of my life fighting for that flag". I feel where he's coming from.

But what next, are we going to be offended that white people exist? or that males exist? After all, they've done so much harm! /sarcasm

Next thing you know people are going to be offended that restaurant menus and street signs (etc) are not written in spanish, arabic, and chinese... because english-only is "offensive" to non-english speakers

[TheMan]

Most of the Confederate flag owners I have heard from try to say they don't support racism, they are into freedom and state rights and all that. While I see where they are coming from it's insanely disrespectful to try to just disregard the whole part of the institution of slavery which the Confederate flag also represents.

Shouldn't the US flag offend people just as much?

USA flag does represent the eradication of the Native Americans of North America whether you like it or not. I'm sure most people that fly the USA flag aren't celebrating genocide but at the same time you cannot turn a blind eye to it.

If people fly these flags while disregarding the atrocities that their nations have committed... What is the problem with flying a Nazi flag and claiming you aren't repping the extermination of Jews, but just the hard work and nationalism of the party?
I agree 100%, that's why I burn an American flag every chance I get...I just uploaded this pic from my phone :pimp:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/US_Flag_Burn.jpg