Top-10 Lists Are Dumb

[ralph_i_el]

Here's how we should rank all time great players:

Firstly, split NBA history into two eras, players who made their mark PRE-1990, and players who made their mark POST-1990 (I'm not attached to 1990, 1985 may be a better cut off). This doesn't mean that MJ's 1980's seasons don't count in ranking him, but I would compare him to post-1990 players

THEN, split the players you're ranking into guards, wings, and bigs

Then, do a mount rushmore (4 guys) for each

so for post-1990 I have:

Guards: MJ, Kobe, Wade, Nash
Wings: MJ, Bron, Kobe, Durant
Bigs: Shaq, Timmy D, Dirk, KG

The only flaw is that swingmen can be guards or wings :banghead: but it's still way better than all-time top-10 lists. MJ tops both guards and wings for me because judging him as a guard or as a wing he's still tops.

[RRR3]

No Chalmers?

[kennethgriffin]

why do you have bron ahead of kobe in the wing list

[ralph_i_el]

why do you have bron ahead of kobe in the wing list

Because I'm not retarded.

[RRR3]

Oh well, there goes this thread. Sorry for trolling about Chalmers OP.

[Dr.J4ever]

Here's how we should rank all time great players:

Firstly, split NBA history into two eras, players who made their mark PRE-1990, and players who made their mark POST-1990 (I'm not attached to 1990, 1985 may be a better cut off). This doesn't mean that MJ's 1980's seasons don't count in ranking him, but I would compare him to post-1990 players

THEN, split the players you're ranking into guards, wings, and bigs

Then, do a mount rushmore (4 guys) for each

so for post-1990 I have:

Guards: MJ, Kobe, Wade, Nash
Wings: MJ, Bron, Kobe, Durant
Bigs: Shaq, Timmy D, Dirk, KG

The only flaw is that swingmen can be guards or wings :banghead: but it's still way better than all-time top-10 lists. MJ tops both guards and wings for me because judging him as a guard or as a wing he's still tops.

What's so special about 1990 or 1985 as a cut off?:confusedshrug:

[ralph_i_el]

What's so special about 1990 or 1985 as a cut off?:confusedshrug:

nothing is special about the date. I just needed a cut off so guys like me that didn't actually watch the 70's and 80's don't feel compelled to talk about those players.

[ralph_i_el]

Oh well, there goes this thread. Sorry for trolling about Chalmers OP.

nah you're cool man. I thought it was funny.

Kenneth is seriously going to get me to stop posting though. I can't handle such aggressive ignorance.

[RRR3]

nah you're cool man. I thought it was funny.

Kenneth is seriously going to get me to stop posting though. I can't handle such aggressive ignorance.
:cheers:

Yeah, even if you ether him, he comes back. Like a cockroach.

[Lebron23]

Because I'm not retarded.


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[RidonKs]

good thread

i'll going to limit myself to players i have seen, who were didn't retire before 1984. my cut off will be 1999. also forwards instead of wings since guards and wings overlap and i'd rather do centers than point guards.


1984-99
GUARDS: Jordan, Magic, Drexler, Stockton
FORWARDS: Pipper, Barkley, Bird, Hill
CENTERS: Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Walton

2000-15
GUARDS: Kobe, Nash, Paul, Wade
FORWARDS: James, Garnett, Leonard, Nowitzki
CENTERS: Ilgauskas, Nesterovic, MacCaulaugh, Sabonis

[Dr.J4ever]

nothing is special about the date. I just needed a cut off so guys like me that didn't actually watch the 70's and 80's don't feel compelled to talk about those players.

Okay, good thing then.

Everyone's top 10 list should really have asterisks anyway on players you've seen live or those you've only seen through YT or read about. It's really tough to gauge how good players from different eras were based on what other fans say or even expert opinion. There's nothing quite like watching a player live in the moment react to pressure, tactics, opposing players that were talked about previous to the game. It's a totally different feel, and you get a real sense of how good a player really is.

[MP.Trey]

Mount Rushmores and era-specific tiers are dumb.

[RidonKs]

Mount Rushmores and era-specific tiers are dumb.
yeah there's only one mount rushmore

jordan
gretzky
ruth
ali

case ****ing closed gay thread

[Yoda]

Here's how we should rank all time great players:

Firstly, split NBA history into two eras, players who made their mark PRE-1990, and players who made their mark POST-1990 (I'm not attached to 1990, 1985 may be a better cut off). This doesn't mean that MJ's 1980's seasons don't count in ranking him, but I would compare him to post-1990 players

THEN, split the players you're ranking into guards, wings, and bigs

Then, do a mount rushmore (4 guys) for each

so for post-1990 I have:

Guards: MJ, Kobe, Wade, Nash
Wings: MJ, Bron, Kobe, Durant
Bigs: Shaq, Timmy D, Dirk, KG

The only flaw is that swingmen can be guards or wings :banghead: but it's still way better than all-time top-10 lists. MJ tops both guards and wings for me because judging him as a guard or as a wing he's still tops.

Bash top 10 lists do you? Dumb your idea is.

[ralph_i_el]

yeah there's only one mount rushmore

jordan
gretzky
ruth
ali

case ****ing closed gay thread

Ruth:facepalm he was the best baseball player in the crackers-only era

[ShawkFactory]

Ruth:facepalm he was the best baseball player in the crackers-only era
He was better than some entire teams.

[ralph_i_el]

He was better than some entire teams.

In a segregated era. If you don't let a lot of potential players play, the quality suffers and that's a FACT.

Willie Mays, Ted Williams, Barry Bonds> Ruth

[Westbrook0]

He was better than some entire teams.

And he had a 52-inch vertical, and was the strongest player to ever play the game of baseball.

Dude would average 72 home runs per year in today's league.

Are we doing it right?

[ShawkFactory]

And he had a 52-inch vertical, and was the strongest player to ever play the game of baseball.

Dude would average 72 home runs per year in today's league.

Are we doing it right?
:facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

if lebron was better than kobe he'd have 4 rings right now


prime kobe wins 4 in a row with that miami roster


you can say "clevelands 2 dont count" every day till youre all blue in the face.


but the fact remains that miami with even a half way above average mini alpha shows up in 2011 and 2014




sh*t ... chris paul would have won atleast 3 out of 4 with that group

[kennethgriffin]

Ruth:facepalm he was the best baseball player in the crackers-only era


a) name a black person that hit more than 60 home runs without steroids

b) whites have dominated baseball throughout history. even till this day only 20% of major league baseball is black

[KG215]

why do you have bron ahead of kobe in the wing list
If I had to guess, it's probably because LeBron is/was a better basketball player than Kobe.

[kennethgriffin]

If I had to guess, it's probably because LeBron is/was a better basketball player than Kobe.



you guessed wrong..


since kobe is ranked ahead of lebron on every voting result i've ever seen

sportsnation
tnt
dime
ish
anger general
slam
espn

go do some research

[KG215]

you guessed wrong..


since kobe is ranked ahead of lebron on every voting result i've ever seen

sportsnation
tnt
dime
ish
anger general
slam
espn

go do some research
:oldlol:

Weren't most or all of those polls done by 2010 before LeBron peaked and started winning rings? And aren't some of those fan-vote polls?

[RRR3]

Can't wait for someone like KD Cp3 WB or AD to get a ring so Kobe fans can panic about them too.

[kennethgriffin]

Can't wait for someone like KD Cp3 WB or AD to get a ring so Kobe fans can panic about them too.


"a" ring?


seems more like a bran stan panic due to that theoretical person being 50% of the way to their idol as apposed to 1/5th of the way to kobe


infact ... theyed be more than 50% of the way to bran due to 2 legit rings being more valuable than 1 and a lockout title

[gigantes]

i liked this top ten!


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[smoovegittar]

nah you're cool man. I thought it was funny.

Kenneth is seriously going to get me to stop posting though. I can't handle such aggressive ignorance.

Don't pay him any mind. He's on the pipe.

[RidonKs]

i liked this top ten!


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:lol :applause:

never expected last guy to make that long heave

[WayOfWade]

I'd put the dividing line between eras at 1980 personally, when Magic and Bird came in and pretty much changed the NBA

[ralph_i_el]

a) name a black person that hit more than 60 home runs without steroids

b) whites have dominated baseball throughout history. even till this day only 20% of major league baseball is black

a) artificial cut-off. Plenty of blacks and hispanics have hit 50+ home runs in a season.

b) If you remove 20% of the league and replace them with minor league whites, the league gets MUCH worse. Add to that all of the hispanics who weren't even considered as major league players.