If TMAC got to start his career with prime Shaq

[JT123]

plus the greatest coach of all time, and then later had prime Pau handed to him on a silver platter by the NBA, how many rings?
I say at least 7 :rockon:

[kennethgriffin]

people think its so easy to put up 27-30ppg along side another guy averaging 27-30ppg

but its actually a bit harder than people realize considering its only been done like a few times before back with the 60's lakers


its hard to co exist with another alpha


tmac couldnt even co exist with vince carter dropping 23-25ppg

he didnt know how to get his while letting vince do his thing

he bailed on a situation with another superstar that doesnt even demand as much as shaq did


so .... yes.... OP's a moron



but no...... tmac wouldnt do well

[bond10]

3 rings at most: 2000-2002

Both become incredibly lazy/injured afterward.

[Mr Feeny]

plus the greatest coach of all time, and then later had prime Pau handed to him on a silver platter by the NBA, how many rings?
I say at least 7 :rockon:

He'd have atleast 6 I'd say. He wouldn't sabotage the team. Jackson wouldn't have someone whom he considers "uncoachable" on the team :lebronamazed:

[JT123]

people think its so easy to put up 27-30ppg along side another guy averaging 27-30ppg

but its actually a bit harder than people realize considering its only been done like a few times before back with the 60's lakers


its hard to co exist with another alpha


tmac couldnt even co exist with vince carter dropping 23-25ppg

he didnt know how to get his while letting vince do his thing

he bailed on a situation with another superstar that doesnt even demand as much as shaq did


so .... yes.... OP's a moron



but no...... tmac wouldnt do well
meltdown :lol

[ekosky]

Holy shit.

6 rings would be ideal.

T-Mac would be a top 5 GOAT. Easily.

[kennethgriffin]

He'd have atleast 6 I'd say. He wouldn't sabotage the team. Jackson wouldn't have someone whom he considers "uncoachable" on the team :lebronamazed:



tmac had the 2nd best center in the nba from 2005 till 2006, then the best center in the nba from 2007 till 2009

howd that work out





like i said.. he doesnt compliment other superstars well

[kennethgriffin]

meltdown :lol


http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/yao88_two.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

tmac had the 2nd best center in the nba from 2005 till 2006, then the best center in the nba from 2007 till 2009

howd that work out





like i said.. he doesnt compliment other superstars well

Yao is not quite peak Shaq

[RidonKs]

definitely 5 but his body may well have deteriorated like shaq's rather than old up like kobe's... crucial different between the two regardless of peak ability or bball iq or clutch performances or whatever

[Mr Feeny]

tmac had the 2nd best center in the nba from 2005 till 2006, then the best center in the nba from 2007 till 2009

howd that work out





like i said.. he doesnt compliment other superstars well

I think even DeShawn a Stevenson would win the title with 2000 Shaq if you think about it. 15PPG on 36%fg. I thinj even Dallavedova could have done it if you think about it.:rockon:

[Cleverness]

If MJ got to start his career with prime Shaq

[kennethgriffin]

Yao is not quite peak Shaq

but he was the best center in the nba for a while. and arguably right there with shaq in 2006. then better in 2007, 2008 and 2009


kobe would have won 1 or 2 titles with yao quite easly


he brings the best out of big men he plays with.

[Mr Feeny]

but he was the best center in the nba for a while. and arguably right there with shaq in 2006. then better in 2007, 2008 and 2009


kobe would have won 1 or 2 titles with yao quite easly


he brings the best out of big men he plays with.

More like Phil Jackson ' s triangle gives his big men a chance to establish a presence in the game.

[GreggPopazit]

3 rings at most: 2000-2002

Both become incredibly lazy/injured afterward.

This. He and Shaq would have worked similarly to Shaq/Kobe, but T-Mac fell off due to injuries by the time Pau came to LA.

[GreggPopazit]

people think its so easy to put up 27-30ppg along side another guy averaging 27-30ppg

but its actually a bit harder than people realize considering its only been done like a few times before back with the 60's lakers


its hard to co exist with another alpha


tmac couldnt even co exist with vince carter dropping 23-25ppg

he didnt know how to get his while letting vince do his thing

he bailed on a situation with another superstar that doesnt even demand as much as shaq did


so .... yes.... OP's a moron



but no...... tmac wouldnt do well

Wow, so defensive.

And he didn't bail because he couldn't co-exist. He left because he thought he was joining a healthy Grant Hill and Tim Duncan in Orlando. He didn't want to go solo, just like Kobe was ready to bail until Pau came to LA.

[Legends66NBA7]

Considering McGrady didn't want to play with Vince Carter and wanted to be the main guy on his own team, I'll go with zero.

It isn't until he got older that he wanted to be more on a winning team than worrying about his. He doesn't stay with Shaq.

[CJ Mustard]

Same resume as Kobe. Actually **** that, no way '03 T-Mac was losing with Shaq on his team, give him that title too.

[Lebronxrings]

7+

[GreggPopazit]

Considering McGrady didn't want to play with Vince Carter and wanted to be the main guy on his own team, I'll go with zero.

It isn't until he got older that he wanted to be more on a winning team than worrying about his. He doesn't stay with Shaq.

Then why did he join Grant Hill at a time when Tim Duncan was also expected to join the Magic? :confusedshrug:

[GreggPopazit]

It is possible that he also doesn't throw a fit and T-Mac/Shaq are a great duo with more chances to win until 2006ish.

[superteamtheory]

The Mac:

- beyond his early days, too one dimensional a player (high volume scorer more or less) to have the sort of success Kobe had
- beyond early years, not as great a defender
- more of a competitor than given credit for (see the famous final minutes game vs. Spurs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKG_uLInaQ that Pop & company never forgot, which is why they let him tag along their 2013 roster) but still not as uber-driven as Kobe, not as many intangibles (better rebounder maybe early on, has the length to be a decent SG shotblocker like J. West and D. Wade)
- not even necessarily as great a scorer as Kobe despite more length
- did bail on a fairly ideal Toronto situation in which he himself admitted, then and later (nowadays), him and VC could have been some sort of Jordan-Pippen esque combo ... then in Houston him and Yao were unable to become much more than a poorman's or maybe even a crackhead's Shaq & Kobe
- T-Mac had allround potential during his Raptor days... as time went on his focus narrowed more and more to just scoring / shooting

OTOH...

- great game: what happens if T-Mac (who Kobe considered the toughest for him to guard in his era) doesn't have a career ending injury and you end up with this deeper-than-recent-years, improved Rockets roster: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2009.html
...that had a coaching change from 2005-2008 and took Lakers to game 7 in 2009 with just a Yao-Ron Artest-Rick Adelman-marginal depth combo... but imagine a year older but healthy T-Mac on it too... IMO ya gotta think he'd be the final piece to tip that series towards Houston and deny Lakers their 2009 run ... so make that two (2) huge breaks the Lakers caught in 2009 thanks to injuries to other guys (K.G. the other one)
- if you play that game, his ring would have come vs. his old Magic team where he was blamed for losing to a star-kiliing #1 seeded Pistons team that with a bit more depth went on to defeat Kobe-Shaq ... for T-Mac to be jumping up and down getting his first in Orlando... would have been too sweet to be true and the high priests like a Steve Kerr would never **** on his career like they sometimes do when his name is brought up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCkatCABYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKG_uLInaQ

so, yeah, injuries... :cry:

[dazzer87]

TMAC, AI, Vince Carter would all be World champs if they teamed up with Shaq..........Kome was a very lucky person to have played with Shaq.

[G0ATbe]

Already had peak Yao and lost in the 1st round every year. Safe to say he wouldn't go far with Shaq or Gasoft.

[ShawkFactory]

The Mac:

- beyond his early days, too one dimensional a player (high volume scorer more or less) to have the sort of success Kobe had
- beyond early years, not as great a defender
- more of a competitor than given credit for (see the famous final minutes game vs. Spurs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKG_uLInaQ that Pop & company never forgot, which is why they let him tag along their 2013 roster) but still not as uber-driven as Kobe, not as many intangibles (better rebounder maybe early on, has the length to be a decent SG shotblocker like J. West and D. Wade)
- not even necessarily as great a scorer as Kobe despite more length
- did bail on a fairly ideal Toronto situation in which he himself admitted, then and later (nowadays), him and VC could have been some sort of Jordan-Pippen esque combo ... then in Houston him and Yao were unable to become much more than a poorman's or maybe even a crackhead's Shaq & Kobe
- T-Mac had allround potential during his Raptor days... as time went on his focus narrowed more and more to just scoring / shooting

OTOH...

- great game: what happens if T-Mac (who Kobe considered the toughest for him to guard in his era) doesn't have a career ending injury and you end up with this deeper-than-recent-years, improved Rockets roster: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2009.html
...that had a coaching change from 2005-2008 and took Lakers to game 7 in 2009 with just a Yao-Ron Artest-Rick Adelman-marginal depth combo... but imagine a year older but healthy T-Mac on it too... IMO ya gotta think he'd be the final piece to tip that series towards Houston and deny Lakers their 2009 run ... so make that two (2) huge breaks the Lakers caught in 2009 thanks to injuries to other guys (K.G. the other one)
- if you play that game, his ring would have come vs. his old Magic team where he was blamed for losing to a star-kiliing #1 seeded Pistons team that with a bit more depth went on to defeat Kobe-Shaq ... for T-Mac to be jumping up and down getting his first in Orlando... would have been too sweet to be true and the high priests like a Steve Kerr would never **** on his career like they sometimes do when his name is brought up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCkatCABYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKG_uLInaQ

so, yeah, injuries... :cry:
The problem with TMac was that he just wasn't a leader. He had all the drive in the world but his genetic and mental makeup did not really allow for him to be the guy that would get you over the top, despite being one of the most supremely talented players we've seen. He just didn't pull his teammates the way a guy like Kobe could.

If he were drafted to the Lakers I'd say they win a title in 02 and 03 and MAYBE 01. TMac in 02 and 03 was too good of a player in every facet not to win with a peak Shaq. IDK if he was ready yet in 01, but Shaq was so dominant that it's possible.

[Legends66NBA7]

Then why did he join Grant Hill at a time when Tim Duncan was also expected to join the Magic? :confusedshrug:

I think it's because he felt that he would be the #1 scoring option and Hill/Duncan would defer to him.

[Braincells]

If Penny was able to win a championship with Shaq, why couldn't TMac? They were both at least equally as talented.

Oh wait... wait a minute...

Just add this topic to the Shaq couldn't win squat without Kobe bucket.

[GreggPopazit]

The Mac:

- beyond his early days, too one dimensional a player (high volume scorer more or less) to have the sort of success Kobe had
- beyond early years, not as great a defender
- more of a competitor than given credit for (see the famous final minutes game vs. Spurs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKG_uLInaQ that Pop & company never forgot, which is why they let him tag along their 2013 roster) but still not as uber-driven as Kobe, not as many intangibles (better rebounder maybe early on, has the length to be a decent SG shotblocker like J. West and D. Wade)
- not even necessarily as great a scorer as Kobe despite more length
- did bail on a fairly ideal Toronto situation in which he himself admitted, then and later (nowadays), him and VC could have been some sort of Jordan-Pippen esque combo ... then in Houston him and Yao were unable to become much more than a poorman's or maybe even a crackhead's Shaq & Kobe
- T-Mac had allround potential during his Raptor days... as time went on his focus narrowed more and more to just scoring / shooting

OTOH...

- great game: what happens if T-Mac (who Kobe considered the toughest for him to guard in his era) doesn't have a career ending injury and you end up with this deeper-than-recent-years, improved Rockets roster: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2009.html
...that had a coaching change from 2005-2008 and took Lakers to game 7 in 2009 with just a Yao-Ron Artest-Rick Adelman-marginal depth combo... but imagine a year older but healthy T-Mac on it too... IMO ya gotta think he'd be the final piece to tip that series towards Houston and deny Lakers their 2009 run ... so make that two (2) huge breaks the Lakers caught in 2009 thanks to injuries to other guys (K.G. the other one)
- if you play that game, his ring would have come vs. his old Magic team where he was blamed for losing to a star-kiliing #1 seeded Pistons team that with a bit more depth went on to defeat Kobe-Shaq ... for T-Mac to be jumping up and down getting his first in Orlando... would have been too sweet to be true and the high priests like a Steve Kerr would never **** on his career like they sometimes do when his name is brought up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCkatCABYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKG_uLInaQ

so, yeah, injuries... :cry:

Heck, all you need is Yao to finish the series for that. Rockets were on track to win and then Yao had a career ending injury.

[GreggPopazit]

If Penny was able to win a championship with Shaq, why couldn't TMac? They were both at least equally as talented.

Oh wait... wait a minute...

Just add this topic to the Shaq couldn't win squat without Kobe bucket.

Penny and T-Mac could have won with Shaq in LA with the rest of their squad and Phil Jackson. Brian Hill, the coach of the Magic, was worthless.

[Rooster]

Penny and T-Mac could have won with Shaq in LA with the rest of their squad and Phil Jackson. Brian Hill, the coach of the Magic, was worthless.

2 all star guards could not do it:confusedshrug: but yes both of them with Shaq would probably win at least 1.

[aj1987]

but he was the best center in the nba for a while. and arguably right there with shaq in 2006. then better in 2007, 2008 and 2009


kobe would have won 1 or 2 titles with yao quite easly


he brings the best out of big men he plays with.
Please kill yourself. I'm serious. Don't pollute the gene pool.

Yeah, peak Yao in '06 was close to a 34 year old Shaq.