4 MVPs cant replace those 4 Losses in the Final

[imnew09]

Yes Lebron is a good regular season performance ( not surprised at all... U know PED) but a historic great choker in the playoff.

[Fire Colangelo]

Averages more points than Kobe in the playoffs on better percentages

[Lebron23]

Averages more points than Kobe in the playoffs on better percentages


FC just ethered the OP.

[Mr Feeny]

Averages more points than Kobe in the playoffs on better percentages
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[ShawkFactory]

This thread has literally no potential.

Doesn't it get boring just making the same threads over and over and over?

[WayOfWade]

No they can't, but at least they're more MVPs than any other active player has at the moment

[iamgine]

4 wins can't replace 4 MVPs either cause they're different things.

[imnew09]

Averages more points than Kobe in the playoffs on better percentages


Averages more losses than Kobe in the final too... And at higher percentage

[Hey Yo]

Averages more losses than Kobe in the final too... And at higher percentage
They both have the same amount of titles as first option.

2nd :banana: rings are just..... meh.

[kennethgriffin]

the poor mans wilt chamberlain of our era


great in the regular season

epic failure in the post season


not only are regular season mvps worthless due to nash having more than kobe, shaq, oscar, hakeem etc...



but seriously.. players legacies are made in the post season. youre not a great player unless youre a winner


a losing record makes you a loser

period


2 for 6

[kennethgriffin]

They both have the same amount of titles as first option.

2nd :banana: rings are just..... meh.



a 2nd banana ring is someone who is vastly inferior


kobes ranked ahead of shaq all time on most peoples lists...


kobes average over the 3 playoffs combined = 25ppg

shaqs average over the 3 playoffs combined = 29ppg



people can say kobes 24ppg in the finals is much worse. but honestly..


thats more than allot of finals mvps in nba history


kobe and shaq were a 2 man team... at most you could argue 2000 was a 2nd guy ring

2001 and 2002 kobe averaged the all time highest ppg for a 2nd leading scorer





Playoffs:

2001 Kobe Bryant 29.4
2002 Kobe Bryant 26.6
1986 Kevin Mchale 24.9
1958 Bob Pettit 24.2
1963 Sam Jones 23.8
1966 John Havlicek 23.6
1972 Jerry West 22.9
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.8
1987 Magic Johnson 21.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 21.7
1991 Scottie Pippen 21.6
1985 James Worthy 21.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 21.2
2000 Kobe Bryant 21.1
1957 Bill Sharman 21.1
1976 Dave Cowens 21.0
1979 Dennis Johnson 20.9
2005 Manu Ginobili 20.8
2007 Tony Parker 20.8
1962 Tom Heinsohn 20.7
1968 Sam Jones 20.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 20.5
1974 Dave Cowens 20.5
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 20.4
1980 Jamaal Wilkes 20.3
1956 Neil Johnston 20.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 20.1
1959 Bill Sharman 20.1
2006 Shaquille O'neal 20.0
1988 Magic Johnson 19.9
2010 Pau Gasol 19.6
1992 Scottie Pippen 19.5
1997 Scottie Pippen 19.2
1971 Bob Dandridge 19.2
1961 Bill Russell 19.1
2008 Kevin Garnett 18.8
1983 Andrew Tony 18.8
2015 Klay Thompson 18.6
1965 John Havlicek 18.5
1960 Bill Russell 18.5
2009 Pau Gasol 18.3
1977 Bill Walton 18.2
1990 Joe Dumars 18.2
1989 Joe Dumars 17.6
2011 Jason Terry 17.5
1964 Tom Heinsohn 17.4
1970 Dick Barnett 16.9
1996 Scottie Pippen 16.9
1998 Scottie Pippen 16.8
1969 Sam Jones 16.8
1984 Dennis Johnson 16.6
2004 Chauncey Billups 16.4
2014 Tim Duncan 16.3
1981 Cedric Maxwell 16.1
1973 Earl Monroe 16.1
1952 Jim Pollard 16.1
2013 Dwyane Wade 15.9
1951 Bob Davies 15.9
1999 David Robinson 15.6
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 15.0
2003 Tony Parker 14.7
1953 Jim Pollard 14.3
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.8
1955 Red Kerr 13.8
1950 Vern Mikkelsen 13.0
1954 Jim Pollard 12.3




Finals:

2002 Kobe Bryant 26.8
2001 Kobe bryant 24.6
1958 Bob Pettit 24.0 ( Cliff Hagan 25.3, playoffs and finals leader )
1986 Larry Bird 24.0 ( Mchale 25.8ppg )
1985 James Worthy 23.7
1971 Oscar Robertson 23.5
1963 Tom Heinsohn 23.3 ( Jones 24.6 )
1966 Sam Jones 22.9
1974 Dave Cowens 22.7
1979 Dennis Johnson 22.6 ( Gus Williams 29.0ppg finals, playoffs leader too..wtf? )
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.6
1959 Tie* Sharman/Ramsay 22.5 ( heinsohn 24.2 )
1962 Sam Jones 22.1 ( russell 22.8 )
1983 Andrew Tony 22.0 ( Julius Erving 3rd option in playoffs and finals )
1957 Bill Sharman 21.8 ( Heinsohn 24.0 )
1987 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 21.7
1980 Magic Johnson 21.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 21.5
1989 Isiah Thomas 21.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 21.2
1988 Magic Johnson 21.1
1968 Bailey Howell 21.0
2004 Chauncey Billups 21.0 (Rip playoff and finals leader. robbed )
1992 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1991 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1990 Joe Dumars 20.6
1976 Dave Cowens 20.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 20.4
2008 Ray Allen 20.3
1997 Scottie Pippen 20.0
1972 Jerry West 19.8
2013 Dwyane Wade 19.6
2005 Manu Ginobili 18.7
1969 Sam Jones 18.7
1970 Dick Barnett 18.6
2010 Pau Gasol 18.6
2009 Pau Gasol 18.6
1977 Bill Walton 18.5
1960 Frank Ramsay 18.4 ( Heinsohn 22.4 )
1964 John Havlicek 18.4
2007 Tim Duncan 18.3
1965 John Havlicek 18.2
2011 Jason Terry 18.0
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 18.0
2014 Kawhi Leonard 17.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 17.7 ( Hal Greer 26.0ppg. would have been mvp )
1961 Bill Russell 17.6 ( heinsohn 22.0 )
1984 Dennis Johnson 17.6
1951 Bob Davies 17.0
1999 David Robinson 16.6
1973 Willis Reed 16.4
1952 Jim Pollard 16.4
2015 Andre Iguodala 16.3
1998 Scottie Pippen 15.7
1996 Scottie Pippen 15.7
2000 Kobe Bryant 15.6 ( *19.0 minus the 2 point injury game )
1981 Larry Bird 15.3 ( ....................wtf? )
1953 Jim Pollard 14.4
2003 Tony Parker 14.0
2006 Antoine Walker 13.8 ( to my surprise Shaq only averaged 13.7 )
1956 Neil Johnston 13.6 ( Arizin 27.6 )
1950 Jim Pollard 13.6 ( mikan 32.1 )
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.4
1955 Kerr 12.2 ( schayes 19.0 )
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 11.5
1954 Pollard 10.8 ( Mikan 18.1 )























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[Hey Yo]

It was still Shaq's team up until the 2004 Finals when Kobe took it upon himself that he'd be first option. We both know how that played out.

[theoneneo]

Averages more points than Kobe in the playoffs on better percentages

Plays in the Eastern conference :kobe:

What Lebron playoff averages look like in the Finals tho? http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass2.png

Kobe dominated teams that beat Lebron

And before you ****s post Kobe's finals averages, please understand that the teams from the East that Kobe faced in his last two runs both eliminated Bron from the playoffs. So you can't even use this excuse.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Averages more points than Kobe in the playoffs on better percentages
Yet hes 2/6

[Rooster]

It was still Shaq's team up until the 2004 Finals when Kobe took it upon himself that he'd be first option. We both know how that played out.

Shaq got his numbers and Lakers lost because Kobe played bad.:confusedshrug:

So Kobe actually has to play good to get those chips because the other 2 all star guard could not do it with Shaq.

[Real14]

Averages more points than Kobe in the playoffs on better percentages
Who have more rings? Who bust your 3rd round virgin pathetic franchise with 81 points??:confusedshrug:

[Nash]

Averages more points than Kobe in the playoffs on better percentages
highest ppg in history of the nba in elimination games.

but choker doe

[Nash]

Who have more rings? Who bust your 3rd round virgin pathetic franchise with 81 points??:confusedshrug:
that is cool and all but Lebron doesn't have the luxury of having another superstar on his roster capable of posting 30ppg in playoffs and constant double teams.

[Real14]

that is cool and all but Lebron doesn't have the luxury of having another superstar on his roster capable of posting 30ppg in playoffs and constant double teams.

Maybe cuz Lebron has to be the man and he don't want nobody to outshine him by turn other all stars into jump shooters, you remember the 2011 finals?:biggums:

[superteamtheory]

this is like saying Jordan's 1 ring over Pistons can't replace the other 3 times he lost to them..

well, no, it can't.. but in the majority of arguments it's not a significant point..

bottom line is, Heat aren't in the Finals in 2011 without LeBron, ditto 2014 (not even sure they'd make 8th without him that year) and the Cavs sure as hell aren't in 2015 Finals without Bron, or 2009 conference finals (scratch that: playoffs) and losing 4-2 vs. Celts is only two games worse than Kobe's 4-3 that year, while Bron's 2008 4-3 loss is superior to Kobe's 4-2 loss even tho Kobe has a better team... doesn't even mean Bron is better than Kobe either, these are just the way things went... none of it necessarily proves anything... just like Kobe and Shaq losing to a combination of lower tier greats on the Pistons doesn't mean you take the Pistons roster over having Kobe&Shaq... in that one particular year, yeah, but year in and year out?

the fact is, anybody who wouldn't want Wilt Chamberlain or LeBron James on their team in a quest to win a ring... is somebody who understands very little at all about basketball... like, god help this person in talking the effects of specific X and Os strategies if they can't even wrap their head around general impact...

[Mr Feeny]

It was still Shaq's team up until the 2004 Finals when Kobe took it upon himself that he'd be first option. We both know how that played out.

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[West-Side]

Averages more points than Kobe in the playoffs on better percentages

In the eastern conference.
Kobe beat more 50+ win teams in one playoff appearance than LeBron has in a decade.

[SouBeachTalents]

Plays in the Eastern conference :kobe:

What Lebron playoff averages look like in the Finals tho? http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass2.png

Kobe dominated teams that beat Lebron

And before you ****s post Kobe's finals averages, please understand that the teams from the East that Kobe faced in his last two runs both eliminated Bron from the playoffs. So you can't even use this excuse.

vs '09 Magic
LeBron: 39/8/8 49%
Kobe: 32/6/7 43%

vs '10 Celtics
LeBron: 27/9/7 45%
Kobe: 29/8/4 41%

Career Finals averages
LeBron: 27/9/7 46%
Kobe: 25/6/5 42%

[Bankaii]

In the eastern conference.
Kobe beat more 50+ win teams in one playoff appearance than LeBron has in a decade.
Kobe vs "weak" East in playoffs: 25.2 points on 41.7%.
Bron vs "tough" West in playoffs:26.7 points on 45.6%.
Stop with bullshit.

Edit: SouthBeachTalents beat me to it.