what does this say about the Spurs and POP?

[pastis]

https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/623180053443149824/photo/1


dat team bball:applause: :applause:

[oarabbus]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKX66I5UMAARHNs.png


Holy shit Manu that is very impressive :biggums:

And it even includes his disastrous performance where he threw the finals :biggums:

[pastis]

Holy shit Manu that is very impressive :biggums:

And it even includes his disastrous performance where he threw the finals :biggums:


but what does this say about the spurs-system and pop as a coach?

spurs are just soo fvcking good. they dont need to draft a top 10 prospect. they have the best scouts and their 2nd rounder will always develop into a good to even great player

spurs, pop:bowdown: :bowdown:

[pastis]

damn didnt see lamar odom and billups on that list :lol :applause: :applause:

[superteamtheory]

it says

1) Ginobili is an underappreciated great player even when coming off bench
2) but stats/numbers/ratings are deceptive
and yeah 3) Spurs system is money

but good find.

[Rocketswin2013]

LeBron is like, Wilt-level in terms of durability and endurance. Crazy minutes total.

[smoovegittar]

Best organization hands down. Period.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

It also shows that the Spurs are the only team to have a "Big 3" for the last 10 seasons together. No other team has had 3 stars/superstars stay together for that long of a time.

[pastis]

i wonder if its just pop or if the Assisten coaches and scouts have also an important role for this success

[T_L_P]

i wonder if its just pop or if the Assisten coaches and scouts have also an important role for this success

Of course they do. Ime is Green and Kawhi's defensive coach. He's the one who tutors them on the defense end.

Chip was the one who improved Leonard and Parker's shots.

Bud was the one who suggested the Kawhi trade and came up with the fantastic switching scheme against Phoenix in 05.

Presti is the one who scouted and pushed for Parker, even though Pop hated his game and even said he wasn't sure of the pick after Parker's rookie season.

The list goes on.

[Bernkastel]

Lamar throwing it all away for a Kardashian.

[pastis]

Of course they do. Ime is Green and Kawhi's defensive coach. He's the one who tutors them on the defense end.

Chip was the one who improved Leonard and Parker's shots.

Bud was the one who suggested the Kawhi trade and came up with the fantastic switching scheme against Phoenix in 05.

Presti is the one who scouted and pushed for Parker, even though Pop hated his game and even said he wasn't sure of the pick after Parker's rookie season.

The list goes on.

thx bro, i honestly never heard about them at all.
Its extremly rare to have such a good composition. i wonder why they dont get offers as a HC-job?

[T_L_P]

thx bro, i honestly never heard about them at all.
Its extremly rare to have such a good composition.

No worried. The Spurs have lots of terrific staffers that make the organisation/team so great.

Imo, Chip is the one who gets overlooked much. If he didn't improve Parker's and Leonard's shooting/forms, I don't think they'd be half the players they are today. He's a legend around other league front offices though. :applause:

For your edit: we have had a fair few. Vaughn, Bud, Brett Brown, Mike Brown, Monty Williams. A lot of them enjoy it there so much though. Bud was getting offers for years, but he stuck around as an assistant for almost two decades.

Hopefully nobody snatches up Messina before Pop retires. I'd like to see him take over the reigns after he goes (assuming Bud isn't available).

[pastis]

i mean they must truly enjoy that spurs organisation...because what is an AC making? 200,000? maybe 350.000?
An HC can easily make like 2-3 mio, even if its a "newcomer"

[smoovegittar]

Lamar throwing it all away for a Kardashian.

Lamar threw it away for the pipe.

[RidonKs]

manu is money is so many ways. that whole organization :bowdown:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Manu is a top 5 SG. A damn shame he never made an AllD team he was betta than Bowen overall on D when u include team defense

Manu was lowkey the Spurs best player in 2014. Without him they never had an alltime great offense. U can take any other player out of the lineup with manu in and they still had it. Manu out and they dropped. He anchored their offense in 2014

[Myth]

it says

1) Ginobili is an underappreciated great player even when coming off bench
2) but stats/numbers/ratings are deceptive
and yeah 3) Spurs system is money

but good find.

I think him coming off the bench throughout the career when being starter quality with more of a solid bench exaggerates this. He comes in while other stars are starting to get tired/are on the bench.

[r0drig0lac]

Ginobili had superstar impact, and is one of the 10 best Shotting guards of all time

[rmt]

Manu is a top 5 SG. A damn shame he never made an AllD team he was betta than Bowen overall on D when u include team defense

Manu was lowkey the Spurs best player in 2014. Without him they never had an alltime great offense. U can take any other player out of the lineup with manu in and they still had it. Manu out and they dropped. He anchored their offense in 2014

2013-14 Regular Season
Manu 12.3 pts / 4.3 asst 46.9%

2014 Playoffs
Manu 14.3 pts / 4.1 asst 43.9%

Manu was nowhere near the Spurs best player in 2014 - Duncan, Parker, Leonard all better than he was. What the OP's list says is that Parker has played a lot of minutes with some really GREAT defensive players (Duncan, DRob, Bowen, Leonard, Green) to have a DRtg of 99.7 and a rank of 7th :roll:

[gyu]

Whoa, Kobe didn't make the list.

[ArbitraryWater]

Holy shit Manu that is very impressive :biggums:

And it even includes his disastrous performance where he threw the finals :biggums:

Manu has been among the league leading since 2005.. obviously not anymore now, but for a very long time..

[Springsteen]

:party:

[rmt]

Also, kudos to Duncan for being so high on the list considering this list doesn't include some of his best years (97-05).

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe never on anything damn

no wonder they hate these things

[lilteapot]

Manu is a top 5 SG. A damn shame he never made an AllD team he was betta than Bowen overall on D when u include team defense

Manu was lowkey the Spurs best player in 2014. Without him they never had an alltime great offense. U can take any other player out of the lineup with manu in and they still had it. Manu out and they dropped. He anchored their offense in 2014
MJ
Kobe
Wade
Iverson
Reggie Miller
West
Drexler

you're saying manu is better than any of those guys?

[rmt]

Manu is a top 5 SG. A damn shame he never made an AllD team he was betta than Bowen overall on D when u include team defense


Can't believe I missed this.

Manu is perfect for the 6th man role, but he could never be a franchise player. His all-out, never stop motor is great for limited minutes and part of the reason why he is always so highly rated in advanced stats. But he can't maintain that output for a reasonable amount of time (highest average minutes are 30.3 and 31.1). He's also injury-prone, fragile and takes a long time to get back into rhythm.

Manu is nowhere near Bowen on defense. Bowen was a workhorse/ironman AND played HIGH minutes.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Can't believe I missed this.

Manu is perfect for the 6th man role, but he could never be a franchise player. His all-out, never stop motor is great for limited minutes and part of the reason why he is always so highly rated in advanced stats. But he can't maintain that output for a reasonable amount of time (highest average minutes are 30.3 and 31.1). He's also injury-prone, fragile and takes a long time to get back into rhythm.

Manu is nowhere near Bowen on defense. Bowen was a workhorse/ironman AND played HIGH minutes.


:facepalm :facepalm

funny seeing Duncan stans bring up minutes per game as a way of devaluing a player

last time Duncan played 31 minutes per game was 6 years ago but i doubt you'll claim he hasn't been the franchise player for the last 6 years..

and Manu averaged 31 mpg in 08 and put up 20/5/5 in the process.. what about that screams "he can't maintain his level if given more minutes"

[rmt]

:facepalm :facepalm

funny seeing Duncan stans bring up minutes per game as a way of devaluing a player

last time Duncan played 31 minutes per game was 6 years ago but i doubt you'll claim he hasn't been the franchise player for the last 6 years..

and Manu averaged 31 mpg in 08 and put up 20/5/5 in the process.. what about that screams "he can't maintain his level if given more minutes"

2008 was one of Manu's best years (3rd team All-NBA and 6th Man of the Year). You pick out 1 year out of a 13 year career in which Duncan and Parker averaged basically the same as he did and think that Manu can maintain that as a franchise player does (year after year)?

You seem to forget that Pop had every single Spur averaging less than 30 minutes a year ago. That included the 22 year old Leonard. Maybe a Kobe stan like you can't conceive of minutes being managed during the regular season (especially for 39 year olds) so that ALL players have something in the tank for the playoffs. Going out there chucking (as Kobe does) is not WINNING basketball.

2012-13
Duncan 17.8 pts / 9.9 rebs / 2.7 blks 30.1 mins
Parker 20.3 pts / 7.6 asst 32.9 mins

2013-14
Duncan 15.1 pts / 9.7 rebs / 1.9 blks 29.2 mins
Parker 16.7 pts / 5.7 asst 29.4 mins

2014-15
Duncan 13.9 pts / 9.1 rebs / 2 blks 28.9 mins
Parker 14.4 pts / 4.9 asst 28.7 mins
Leonard 16.5 pts / 7.2 rebs / 2.3 stl 31.8 mins