Kobe at it again

[Beastmode88]

http://i.imgur.com/XLZ7eEy.jpg

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mjl.gif

[IllegalD]

Insecure Jordan/LeBron Stanleys at it again.

#Mambarentfree

What are you f*ggots gonna do with your lives when he retires? :confusedshrug: :kobe:

[Mr. Jabbar]

looking at that chart you would think lebron and harden are actually clutch, go figure...

[You Cant Ban Me]

came in expecting him to be charged with rape

[JT123]

:oldlol: But but Kobe's one of the greatest shooters ever! :cry:

[L8krH8tr]

came in expecting him to be charged with rape

ROFL

[Hey Yo]

came in expecting him to be charged with rape
Considering it's Sunday, thought Kobe was in church again..... grabbing another guys cell phone off him.

[PistonsFan#21]

looking at that chart you would think lebron and harden are actually clutch, go figure...

Stats are lying to make Kobe look bad again...Whats new. Its well known in the basketball world that most stats are Kobe haters and have no credibility

[red1]

Stats are lying to make Kobe look bad again...Whats new. Its well known in the basketball world that most stats are Kobe haters and have no credibility
:oldlol:

[GreggPopazit]

came in expecting him to be charged with rape

This.

[DonDadda59]

came in expecting him to be charged with rape



Stats are lying to make Kobe look bad again...Whats new. Its well known in the basketball world that most stats are Kobe haters and have no credibility

Hell of a thread this turned out to be :applause:

[MJistheGOAT]

James Harden clutch AF???

We all know that shot selection, ballhogging and efficiency are not Kobe

[stalkerforlife]

Most game winners in NBA history - Kobe Bean Bryant.

/thread

[MJistheGOAT]

Most game winners in NBA history - Kobe Bean Bryant.

/thread

Efficiency??
Efficiency in clutch shots??

[stalkerforlife]

Efficiency??
Efficiency in clutch shots??

I think you missed this part of my post...

/thread

That means I ended the thread. Stop posting.

[ArbitraryWater]

Stats are lying to make Kobe look bad again...Whats new. Its well known in the basketball world that most stats are Kobe haters and have no credibility

:roll:

[MJistheGOAT]

I think you missed this part of my post...

/thread

That means I ended the thread. Stop posting.

Sorry bro, but your boy

[Mr. Jabbar]

harden is widely known as one of the biggest chokers in the game yet he ranks very good in that ranking. same story with lebron. something is really wrong here

[Mr Feeny]

Stats are lying to make Kobe look bad again...Whats new. Its well known in the basketball world that most stats are Kobe haters and have no credibility

:lebronamazed:

[rmt]

harden is widely known as one of the biggest chokers in the game yet he ranks very good in that ranking. same story with lebron. something is really wrong here

Nothing is wrong - it's Kobe stans' perception that's wrong - the numbers are as plain as day. Harden takes about the same number of late game attempts and scores about 20% more of them than Kobe. Lebron takes a shot more and scores about 11% more of them.

Kobe stans always trying to explain away why advanced stats, etc don't show Kobe in a flattering light.

[STATUTORY]

Nothing is wrong - it's Kobe stans' perception that's wrong - the numbers are as plain as day. Harden takes about the same number of late game attempts and scores about 20% more of them than Kobe. Lebron takes a shot more and scores about 11% more of them.

Kobe stans always trying to explain away why advanced stats, etc don't show Kobe in a flattering light.

what's advanced about this stat? :rolleyes:

[Fallen Angel]

Where exactly did James Harden get the reputation of being unclutch when it comes to shooting the ball, because I'd like to know.

I can point to plenty of times James Harden put his team on his back (in reality he does it for all 4 Quarters) and won the game on his own.

This dude been hitting game winning shots since he was a bench player for Oklahoma City, IN THE PLAYOFFS.

[rmt]

what's advanced about this stat? :rolleyes:

Did you miss the "etc"? I didn't say that THIS graph falls under advanced stats - it can fall under etc.

[Rose'sACL]

Kobe is old. These stats from his peak years would tell the right story.

are these stats available for seasons before 2013?

[Rose'sACL]

harden is widely known as one of the biggest chokers in the game yet he ranks very good in that ranking. same story with lebron. something is really wrong here
http://i.imgur.com/jUk3nEJ.jpg

[WayOfWade]

http://i.imgur.com/jUk3nEJ.jpg
And where is James Harden?

[Rose'sACL]

And where is James Harden?
not enough attempts
Same reason CP3 isn't there. there both have like 20-25 total attempts each.
Makes sense for harden as he has been number 1 option only since he got to the rockets. Doesn't make as much sense for CP3 though.

[rmt]

http://i.imgur.com/jUk3nEJ.jpg

:roll: at Kobe's. Kudos to Duncan and Lebron.:applause: This table should be posted all over the internet so that I never again have to hear about Kobe's so-called clutchness in late game situations.

[AirFederer]

Part of Kobe's problem is that the defender always know he will shot it, even if he has no look. So he's easier to the defend since he's an unwiling passer of such shots (hero syndrome).

But what am I talking about? It's obviously a big conspiracy against Kobe da Gawd, the lord of Bean and Mayor of Colorado.

#GoatBe

[The_Yearning]

http://i.imgur.com/jUk3nEJ.jpg

We are talking about after the 2 minute mark here; not entire 4th quarter including the first 5 minutes where LeScared gets all of his points. He too scared to even attempt that much in the final 2 minutes.

[Rose'sACL]

We are talking about after the 2 minute mark here; not entire 4th quarter including the first 5 minutes where LeScared gets all of his points. He too scared to even attempt that much in the final 2 minutes.
if i post those stats and kobe still comes short then will you reply to this thread again or leave ISH for a few days at leasT?
I have the stat but i will only post it if you reply. i have posted so many stats both raw and advanced that have made kobe stans look like fools but they never reply.

[ImKobe]

Like anyone cares about Kobe's EFG% in the clutch in a season where he played with an injured shoulder after playing 6 games in 18 months due to serious leg injuries...dude was fatigued in 4th quarters and he shot like 37% for the year in the limited time he was able to play after Byron ran him to the ground...

cute little stat though, Lebron was clutch as hell in the Finals with all the bricks he layed in 4th quarters + OT.

[Rose'sACL]

Like anyone cares about Kobe's EFG% in the clutch in a season where he played with an injured shoulder after playing 6 games in 18 months due to serious leg injuries...dude was fatigued in 4th quarters and he shot like 37% for the year in the limited time he was able to play after Byron ran him to the ground...

cute little stat though, Lebron was clutch as hell in the Finals with all the bricks he layed in 4th quarters + OT.
including this year only for playoffs because kobe played injured this year:


in the playoffs, in the 4th quarter or overtime, 2:00 or less left in quarter, shot to tie or take lead

LeBron James: 23-52 on 46%


Kobe Bryant: 17-50 on 34%


I know you will never reply to this.

[ImKobe]

including this year only for playoffs because kobe played injured this year:


in the playoffs, in the 4th quarter or overtime, 2:00 or less left in quarter, shot to tie or take lead

LeBron James: 23-52 on 46%


Kobe Bryant: 17-50 on 34%


I know you will never reply to this.

I will

Lebron made 6 more shots on 2 more attempts, and knowing that most of his successful attempts have been at the rim while Kobe doesn't have that ability, Lebron being more efficient is actually not a surprise.

Kobe was never hailed as the most effective clutch shooter, so I don't see what this statistic shows us as a whole.

How about this: Lebron has lost twice as many Finals series as Kobe despite having only played in 6 Finals series vs Kobe's 7 while Kobe has won 2.5 times as many titles.

I'm taking 71% over 33%.

[Rose'sACL]

I will

Lebron made 6 more shots on 2 more attempts, and knowing that most of his successful attempts have been at the rim while Kobe doesn't have that ability, Lebron being more efficient is actually not a surprise.

Kobe was never hailed as the most effective clutch shooter, so I don't see what this statistic shows us as a whole.

How about this: Lebron has lost twice as many Finals series as Kobe despite having only played in 6 Finals series vs Kobe's 7 while Kobe has won 2.5 times as many titles.

I'm taking 71% over 33%.
Nicely done. Shot attempts went out of the window, rings came into the picture all of a sudden in a discussion of who is more clutch.

LA fans really know their basketball.

[ImKobe]

Nicely done. Shot attempts went out of the window, rings came into the picture all of a sudden in a discussion of who is more clutch.

LA fans really know their basketball.

blah blah blah

Kobe is better than Lebron in the biggest stage (The Finals)

the arbitrary 4th quarter FG% is worth jack shit when one faces all those weak teams in the Leastern Conference while Kobe was beating 50 win teams in the 1st round.

[Mr Feeny]

I will

Lebron made 6 more shots on 2 more attempts, and knowing that most of his successful attempts have been at the rim while Kobe doesn't have that ability, Lebron being more efficient is actually not a surprise.

Kobe was never hailed as the most effective clutch shooter, so I don't see what this statistic shows us as a whole.

How about this: Lebron has lost twice as many Finals series as Kobe despite having only played in 6 Finals series vs Kobe's 7 while Kobe has won 2.5 times as many titles.

I'm taking 71% over 33%.

And....into the bodybag goes ImKobe :oldlol: :applause: :bowdown:

[JT123]

blah blah blah

Kobe is better than Lebron in the biggest stage (The Finals)

the arbitrary 4th quarter FG% is worth jack shit when one faces all those weak teams in the Leastern Conference while Kobe was beating 50 win teams in the 1st round.
:biggums: So you want to try and claim Lebron's clutch stats don't mean anything because they are against Eastern Conference teams, but then you want to praise Kobe for dominating those same weak teams in the Finals? :oldlol: Only Kobetards

Your argument is total shit. Kobe's Finals stats are literally worse than Lebron's, despite the fact that he gets to face "Leastern Conference" teams while Lebron faces elite Western teams. Kobe does however get carried in the Finals by his teammates more than Lebron ever has. :cheers:

[Rose'sACL]

blah blah blah

Kobe is better than Lebron in the biggest stage (The Finals)

the arbitrary 4th quarter FG% is worth jack shit when one faces all those weak teams in the Leastern Conference while Kobe was beating 50 win teams in the 1st round.
go ahead and compare defensive rankings of east teams to west teams since 2003-04 season till now.

[Magic 32]

Kobe does however get carried in the Finals by his teammates more than Lebron ever has. :cheers:

True, because Lebron almost allways losses.

[Magic 32]

http://i.imgur.com/jUk3nEJ.jpg

This was the list that included Kobe "shots" like this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_XuOFuCdDo&t=23m15s


http://muninetworks.org/sites/www.muninetworks.org/files/credibilityzero.png

[#number6ix#]

How did this turn into another Kobe vs lebron thread

[rmt]

blah blah blah

Kobe is better than Lebron in the biggest stage (The Finals)

the arbitrary 4th quarter FG% is worth jack shit when one faces all those weak teams in the Leastern Conference while Kobe was beating 50 win teams in the 1st round.

Care to try to explain Kobe's stats on this list compared to Duncan? Same conference, much STRONGER division for Duncan?


I will

Lebron made 6 more shots on 2 more attempts, and knowing that most of his successful attempts have been at the rim while Kobe doesn't have that ability, Lebron being more efficient is actually not a surprise.

Kobe was never hailed as the most effective clutch shooter, so I don't see what this statistic shows us as a whole.

How about this: Lebron has lost twice as many Finals series as Kobe despite having only played in 6 Finals series vs Kobe's 7 while Kobe has won 2.5 times as many titles.

I'm taking 71% over 33%.

And that is pathetic bringing in rings into this discussion and why - because you have no defense/explanation to argue this stat. How about you do the ring/Finals argument vs Duncan. Real weak.

[Artillery]

http://i.imgur.com/jUk3nEJ.jpg

:bowdown: Duncan and Lebron at the top. Shouldn't surprise anyone though - they are, of course, the best two players in the post-Jordan era. Sidekicks like Kobe shouldn't even be included in this discussion.

[rmt]

This was the list that included Kobe "shots" like this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_XuOFuCdDo&t=23m15s


http://muninetworks.org/sites/www.muninetworks.org/files/credibilityzero.png

What exactly is that video supposed to show? I watched it from the point it was at in the link and saw a couple of blocks by Shaq, a couple of free-throws by Shaq, and a lot of double-teamming (sometimes triple-teamming) of Shaq.

[Marchesk]

I think you missed this part of my post...

/thread

That means I ended the thread. Stop posting.

Has /thread ever ended a single thread in the entire history of the internet?

[Nash]

if i post those stats and kobe still comes short then will you reply to this thread again or leave ISH for a few days at leasT?
I have the stat but i will only post it if you reply. i have posted so many stats both raw and advanced that have made kobe stans look like fools but they never reply.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

pls post it.

[disel]

looking at that chart you would think lebron and harden are actually clutch, go figure...
harden hits a shit load of game winners. dude can hit big shots

[ArbitraryWater]

http://i.imgur.com/jUk3nEJ.jpg

Kobe's clutch myth and LeBron's choker myth are by far the biggest, most twisted myths and narratives in sports history.. can't think of anything that comes closer. It's literally the opposite.

[Nash]

Kobe's clutch myth and LeBron's choker myth are by far the biggest, most twisted myths and narratives in sports history.. can't think of anything that comes closer. It's literally the opposite.
on top of that, Lebron has the highest ppg in NBA history when it comes to elimination games.

[ArbitraryWater]

In the playoffs, 4th quarter or overtime, last 5 minutes, scoring margin between -5 and +5 points (5 pt. game):

http://i.gyazo.com/caaca88879a84c9e611507886ca8bdea.png

LeBron James is 108 of 253 43% (above league average)

http://i.gyazo.com/0a1ac62b0294836836c34a703b02541f.png

Kobe Bryant is 88 of 238 37% (way below league average)

In the playoffs, 4th quarter or overtime, last 5 minutes, shots to tie or take the lead:

http://i.gyazo.com/977fb008956aa2ceec463b9199917d7e.png

LeBron James is 43/96 45% (great)

http://i.gyazo.com/7b8fdd70fe33284e5b2ff46bb6c43e0a.png

Kobe Bryant is 30/88 34% (well below league average)

[Lebron23]

Rose' ACL and AW just ended this thread.

[Quickening]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8e/a8/21/8ea8219d07a0b9619c6f049bf09c8135.jpg

[Megabox!]

Kobe stans stay getting destroyed :applause:

[STATUTORY]

advanced stats is actually quite favorable to kobe, it's these basic counting stats that detract from his legacy

i mean what is this stat really suppose to show? Lebron and Kobe are not taking the same shots in the end of the game. Lebron is only shooting it if he's WIDE OPEN, Kobe is holding on to the ball till last second and shooting it draped with defenders.

The fact that Kobe makes 40% of his shots in these scenarios is a testament to his greatness. Give Lebron the same shots and he would make like 10%

[ShawkFactory]

advanced stats is actually quite favorable to kobe, it's these basic counting stats that detract from his legacy

i mean what is this stat really suppose to show? Lebron and Kobe are not taking the same shots in the end of the game. Lebron is only shooting it if he's WIDE OPEN, Kobe is holding on to the ball till last second and shooting it draped with defenders.

The fact that Kobe makes 40% of his shots in these scenarios is a testament to his greatness. Give Lebron the same shots and he would make like 10%
why? He can get to the basket and get himself an easier shot. Or at least could before this season. :confusedshrug:

[rmt]

advanced stats is actually quite favorable to kobe, it's these basic counting stats that detract from his legacy

i mean what is this stat really suppose to show? Lebron and Kobe are not taking the same shots in the end of the game. Lebron is only shooting it if he's WIDE OPEN, Kobe is holding on to the ball till last second and shooting it draped with defenders.

The fact that Kobe makes 40% of his shots in these scenarios is a testament to his greatness. Give Lebron the same shots and he would make like 10%

Please show advanced stats that are favorable to Kobe.

So why is it that Lebron has had so MANY of these WIDE OPEN shots when he hasn't played with MDE (or any player of that stature who would be commanding double teams) and has had a much SHORTER career than Kobe and therefore should have LESS of these shots?

Are you saying that it's admirable that Kobe's shot and made 32% of these shots - but no excuse/explanation for his poor shot selection (since he's "holding on to the ball till last second and shooting it draped with defenders") which would lead to losing games?

[G0ATbe]

Kobe's living proof that advanced stats don't mean shit.

[RRR3]

Please show advanced stats that are favorable to Kobe.

So why is it that Lebron has had so MANY of these WIDE OPEN shots when he hasn't played with MDE (or any player of that stature who would be commanding double teams) and has had a much SHORTER career than Kobe and therefore should have LESS of these shots?

Are you saying that it's admirable that Kobe's shot and made 37% of these shots - but no excuse/explanation for his poor shot selection (since he's "holding on to the ball till last second and shooting it draped with defenders") which would lead to losing games?
LeBron is the worst shooter ever remember? He can't score unless it is a fast break dunk.

[ArbitraryWater]

advanced stats is actually quite favorable to kobe, it's these basic counting stats that detract from his legacy

i mean what is this stat really suppose to show? Lebron and Kobe are not taking the same shots in the end of the game. Lebron is only shooting it if he's WIDE OPEN, Kobe is holding on to the ball till last second and shooting it draped with defenders.

The fact that Kobe makes 40% of his shots in these scenarios is a testament to his greatness. Give Lebron the same shots and he would make like 10%

These little mythical stories you guys tell yourself :lol

Listen to yourself man, the excuses and lies stink to heaven

You guys dont care Bron can get off better shots in the tighest moments, last minutes, last seconds... the moments where I thought Kobe's GOAT skillset/scoring arsenal would trump LeBron, who only scores in fastbreaks, is weak one on one, no post game and has an inconsistent J....

[kshutts1]

I recently watched a video about a guy explaining his research, which is to track just movement. He used basketball as his area of study, even though he knew nothing of the sport to start. TED talks? Yeah, here's the link...

http://www.ted.com/talks/rajiv_maheswaran_the_math_behind_basketball_s_wild est_moves?language=en

In that discussion, he references having a stat that shows the difference between...
Good shooters who take bad shots
Good shoots who take good shots
Bad shooters who take good shots
Bad shooters who take bad shots

I'd love to see the results of that stat, if anyone knows where I can find it! I think it pertains to this discussion.

[Darius]

http://i.imgur.com/jUk3nEJ.jpg

Damn. Fatality. :biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

These little mythical stories you guys tell yourself :lol

Listen to yourself man, the excuses and lies stink to heaven

You guys dont care Bron can get off better shots in the tighest moments, last minutes, last seconds... the moments where I thought Kobe's GOAT skillset/scoring arsenal would trump LeBron, who only scores in fastbreaks, is weak one on one, no post game and has an inconsistent J....

ether.. this won't be responded to.

And oh, as for this:


advanced stats is actually quite favorable to kobe, it's these basic counting stats that detract from his legacy

i mean what is this stat really suppose to show? Lebron and Kobe are not taking the same shots in the end of the game. Lebron is only shooting it if he's WIDE OPEN, Kobe is holding on to the ball till last second and shooting it draped with defenders.

The fact that Kobe makes 40% of his shots in these scenarios is a testament to his greatness. Give Lebron the same shots and he would make like 10%

yet...

http://i.imgur.com/jUk3nEJ.jpg

LeBron actually has 20 more attempts than Kobe, converting at a higher percentage, smh at the Basketball lords carving up the defenses to give LeBron all these dunks late in the game :facepalm

[Lebron23]

Lebron is more clutch than Kobe, and he also had more FG's attempts than him.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I don't really understand the whole shots to tie or take the lead...for the ENTIRE 4th quarter. Seems kind of dumb tbh, given the ebbs and flow to games.

The last 5 minutes to tie or take the lead/being down 5 or up 5 etc., is actually pretty informative though.

I'll say this. In 4th quarters, LeBron in these past finals was downright horrible. I'm not sure Kobe's ever stunk up in all 4th quarters of a series like LeBron has (2011 Dallas and GS this year).

[HOoopCityJones]

So easy to compare a guy's twilight numbers with players who are still relatively at the Top of their game.

[rmt]

So easy to compare a guy's twilight numbers with players who are still relatively at the Top of their game.

So how do you explain Duncan (19% higher), Ray Allen (8%), Nowitzki (9%) and Pierce (3%) who have had similar length careers? These aren't twilight numbers - they look like career numbers.

[HOoopCityJones]

So how do you explain Duncan (19% higher), Ray Allen (8%), Nowitzki (9%) and Pierce (3%) who have had similar length careers?

None of them are still trying to carry a Team. :lol


Kobe's delusional , but he's far from the biggest travesty to grace the Basketball court as this thread's agenda seems to be. Also for a Spurs fan you seem to spend 80% of your time trying to discredit Kobe.

Couldn't be because he been in that ass all those years.

[Magic 32]

In the playoffs, 4th quarter or overtime, last 5 minutes, scoring margin between -5 and +5 points (5 pt. game):

http://i.gyazo.com/caaca88879a84c9e611507886ca8bdea.png

LeBron James is 108 of 253 43% (above league average)

http://i.gyazo.com/0a1ac62b0294836836c34a703b02541f.png

Kobe Bryant is 88 of 238 37% (way below league average)

In the playoffs, 4th quarter or overtime, last 5 minutes, shots to tie or take the lead:

http://i.gyazo.com/977fb008956aa2ceec463b9199917d7e.png

LeBron James is 43/96 45% (great)

http://i.gyazo.com/7b8fdd70fe33284e5b2ff46bb6c43e0a.png

Kobe Bryant is 30/88 34% (well below league average)

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0522/nba_g_james_b7_576.jpg

http://s9.postimg.org/b6j8kbinj/hjkhj.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGXi8oyUcAA12me.jpg

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4fc8b2f06bb3f7b832000001/gregg-popovich-gif.gif

[RRR3]

I don't really understand the whole shots to tie or take the lead...for the ENTIRE 4th quarter. Seems kind of dumb tbh, given the ebbs and flow to games.

The last 5 minutes to tie or take the lead/being down 5 or up 5 etc., is actually pretty informative though.

I'll say this. In 4th quarters, LeBron in these past finals was downright horrible. I'm not sure Kobe's ever stunk up in all 4th quarters of a series like LeBron has (2011 Dallas and GS this year).
He struggled late against GS, but I don't fault that too much considering how exhausted he was and the fact that he stayed aggressive and kept trying. The thing about 2011 is that he was capable of doing more, he just got shook and lost all his confidence.

Also, Kobe almost literally gave away two games in the 2012 2nd round against OKC. That series was closer than the final score indicated. I actually kinda pulled for the Lakers iirc.

[STATUTORY]

ether.. this won't be responded to.

And oh, as for this:



yet...

http://i.imgur.com/jUk3nEJ.jpg

LeBron actually has 20 more attempts than Kobe, converting at a higher percentage, smh at the Basketball lords carving up the defenses to give LeBron all these dunks late in the game :facepalm

What seasons is this from?

I don't understand why 4th quarter and overtime shots to tie or take the lead is definition of clutch.

By this definision 2 teams trading leads for the entire quarter will be racking up points on this clutch meter.

Like I said, the stats need to be decomposed into type of shots. I have no doubt many of Lebron's points here are coming from fastbreak and transition opportunities.

[Magic 32]

What exactly is that video supposed to show? I watched it from the point it was at in the link and saw a couple of blocks by Shaq, a couple of free-throws by Shaq, and a lot of double-teamming (sometimes triple-teamming) of Shaq.

So you missed Kobe's "tip-in".

You are not the only one.

[RRR3]

LeBron has more playoff game winners than Kobe. None were on fast breaks and the majority came on ISOs. 2 were catch and shoot, one a quick drive off an inbounds. Iirc the rest were on ISOS.

[HOoopCityJones]

He struggled late against GS, but I don't fault that too much considering how exhausted he was and the fact that he stayed aggressive and kept trying. The thing about 2011 is that he was capable of doing more, he just got shook and lost all his confidence.

Also, Kobe almost literally gave away two games in the 2012 2nd round against OKC. That series was closer than the final score indicated. I actually kinda pulled for the Lakers iirc.

Kobe played hurt that entire post season, could barley keep the ball in his hands, it's like night and day if you compare it to his production a year later after we acquired Dwight and Nash.

[ArbitraryWater]

I don't really understand the whole shots to tie or take the lead...for the ENTIRE 4th quarter. Seems kind of dumb tbh, given the ebbs and flow to games.

The last 5 minutes to tie or take the lead/being down 5 or up 5 etc., is actually pretty informative though.

I'll say this. In 4th quarters, LeBron in these past finals was downright horrible. I'm not sure Kobe's ever stunk up in all 4th quarters of a series like LeBron has (2011 Dallas and GS this year).

Thats funny, because Kobe literally the same year was worse against Dallas in the clutch.

-In 2011 against the Mavericks: LeBron was 7-21 33% in the 4th and 4-13 with less than 3 minutes in the 4th.

-In 2011 against the Mavericks: Kobe was 6-19 32% in the 4th and 2-9 22% under 3 minutes left in the 4th

[RRR3]

Kobe played hurt that entire post season, could barley keep the ball in his hands, it's like night and day if you compare it to his production a year later after we acquired Dwight and Nash.
I don't consider that series a strike against Kobe's legacy; I just was addressing the fact that I could recall a series where Kobe had awful fourth quarters.

[ArbitraryWater]

I don't really understand the whole shots to tie or take the lead...for the ENTIRE 4th quarter. Seems kind of dumb tbh, given the ebbs and flow to games.

The last 5 minutes to tie or take the lead/being down 5 or up 5 etc., is actually pretty informative though.

I'll say this. In 4th quarters, LeBron in these past finals was downright horrible. I'm not sure Kobe's ever stunk up in all 4th quarters of a series like LeBron has (2011 Dallas and GS this year).

Thats funny, because Kobe literally the same year was worse against Dallas in the clutch.

-In 2011 against the Mavericks: LeBron was 7-21 33% in the 4th and 4-13 with less than 3 minutes in the 4th.

-In 2011 against the Mavericks: Kobe was 6-19 32% in the 4th and 2-9 22% under 3 minutes left in the 4th


What seasons is this from?

I don't understand why 4th quarter and overtime shots to tie or take the lead is definition of clutch.

By this definision 2 teams trading leads for the entire quarter will be racking up points on this clutch meter.

Like I said, the stats need to be decomposed into type of shots. I have no doubt many of Lebron's points here are coming from fastbreak and transition opportunities.

Thats career, homie.

Oh of course, the clutch definition is once again the reason for LeBron superiority... MUST ADJUST!! The criteria is skewed in Bron's favour!!

You guys are bullshitting yourself like kids.

bolded:

So why do you think that is, with the open shots? Does Kobe also have these open shots, but refuses to take them? Because LeBron has more volume and a higher percentage.. soo something doesn't add up, which magical way is there for him getting all these easy shots?

Hint: there is none, you're grasping at straws, its hard getting clean looks in a tight playoff game in the final minutes... for anyone. Some have the ability and mentality to get better shots, though. Thats what you're seeing with Kobe/Bron.

[Magic 32]

http://s14.postimg.org/yweqjya8x/gfhjfj.png

[ArbitraryWater]

TownCityJones MAD

[rmt]

What seasons is this from?

I don't understand why 4th quarter and overtime shots to tie or take the lead is definition of clutch.

By this definision 2 teams trading leads for the entire quarter will be racking up points on this clutch meter.

Like I said, the stats need to be decomposed into type of shots. I have no doubt many of Lebron's points here are coming from fastbreak and transition opportunities.

It's the PERCENTAGE that counts - not the points - although Lebron's taken more and made a much higher percentage over a shorter career.

It's unlikely that these 4th quarter and overtime shots are coming from fast break and transition opportunities - when they're tired. Surely you don't think Duncan's points are coming from those.

[HOoopCityJones]

I don't consider that series a strike against Kobe's legacy; I just was addressing the fact that I could recall a series where Kobe had awful fourth quarters.

You mean the same year we had the likes of Josh McRoberts, Troy Murphy and Roman Sessions on the roster getting starting minutes?

All we had was Kobe and Gasol's two-man game and considering he was still reeling from almost being traded for Chris Paul, he checked out of being a Laker post 2011. His rejuvenation in Chicago is only a testament to this. Kobe would go for another knee Surgery in Germany later that summer.

There's no way that Team was beating a full force Thunder squad with Durant, Westbrook and Harden. We never had a chance.

[HOoopCityJones]

TownCityJones MAD

TownCityJones? :biggums:


You seriously thought that was funny, that's the sad part. :lol

[RRR3]

Kobe is definitely a more skilled isolation player than LeBron, and significantly so if we are talking isolating for a jumper, so it's weird that LeBron fares better. Maybe he is just more clutch :bowdown:


More likely is that Kobe takes retarded shots and LeBron takes smart ones

[ArbitraryWater]

TownCityJones? :biggums:


You seriously thought that was funny, that's the sad part. :lol

I cringe reading over my post

[Mr Feeny]

TownCityJones? :biggums:


You seriously thought that was funny, that's the sad part. :lol

He's right tbf. It's funny in the sense that you're a *******.

[STATUTORY]

It's the PERCENTAGE that counts - not the points - although Lebron's taken more and made a much higher percentage over a shorter career.

It's unlikely that these 4th quarter and overtime shots are coming from fast break and transition opportunities - when they're tired. Surely you don't think Duncan's points are coming from those.

Duncan is a big, why we comparing him to a SG?

there are plenty of fastbreak opportunities in the 4th quarter. that's the problem here, you guys are being disingenuous by acting as if these are all last second gamewinners when in fact you rack up a lot of these "clutch" points just by normal occurences in the 4th quarter and overtime.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe is definitely a more skilled isolation player than LeBron, and significantly so if we are talking isolating for a jumper, so it's weird that LeBron fares better. Maybe he is just more clutch :bowdown:


More likely is that Kobe takes retarded shots and LeBron takes smart ones

Kobe has grizzly bears leaping in his face while the earth opens up below him :bowdown:

LeBron only fastbreak dunks and the magically 100+ open shots in the last minutes of a playoff game :durantunimpressed:

[HOoopCityJones]

Must be a bunch of idiot GM and Coaches in the league then considering Kobe won the Survey for who you want taking the last shot almost every year til like 2012.

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe is definitely a more skilled isolation player than LeBron, and significantly so if we are talking isolating for a jumper, so it's weird that LeBron fares better. Maybe he is just more clutch :bowdown:


More likely is that Kobe takes retarded shots and LeBron takes smart ones

Taking smarter shots and being better at getting to the rim, I'd say.

[RRR3]

You mean the same year we had the likes of Josh McRoberts, Troy Murphy and Roman Sessions on the roster getting starting minutes?

All we had was Kobe and Gasol's two-man game and considering he was still reeling from almost being traded for Chris Paul, he checked out of being a Laker post 2011. His rejuvenation in Chicago is only a testament to this. Kobe would go for another knee Surgery in Germany later that summer.

There's no way that Team was beating a full force Thunder squad with Durant, Westbrook and Harden. We never had a chance.
"I DON'T consider that series a strike against Kobe's legacy"


Why are you ranting after I already made that clear?

Kuniva wondered if Kobe ever had a playoff series where he was awful in the fourth quarter; regardless of outside factors, I believe 2012 qualifies.



And Kobe had two guys who put up 19/12 and 17/10 on 50+ percent GTFOH

[Mr Feeny]

Must be a bunch of idiot GM and Coaches in the league then considering Kobe won the Survey for who you want taking the last shot almost every year til like 2012.

Definitely misguided, as evidenced by the results:banana:

[HOoopCityJones]

He's right tbf. It's funny in the sense that you're a *******.

Aww look who let out the speech and language school for recess. :applause:

[RRR3]

Must be a bunch of idiot GM and Coaches in the league then considering Kobe won the Survey for who you want taking the last shot almost every year til like 2012.
If Kobe wasn't insane, he'd be a better choice. But it's hard to not fear that he'll pull something stupid in those situations.

[Mr Feeny]

Aww look who let out the speech and language school for recess. :applause:

:lebronamazed:

[ArbitraryWater]

In Game 2, the Lakers led 63-60 going into the 4th Quarter, and 75-68 with 2 minutes to go.

In Game 4, the Lakers led 80-71 going into the 4th Quarter.

But it was Bean in Game 2 who wet the bed with his 2-7 shooting in the 4th, missing FIVE shots in the last 2 minutes PLUS a turnover that (up 7) led to an OKC dunk and their comeback.

In Game 4 it was Bean once again who shot 2-10 in the close 4th quarter this time (1-8 without the useless ones at the buzzer).

[Mr Feeny]

If Kobe wasn't insane, he'd be a better choice. But it's hard to not fear that he'll pull something stupid in those situations.

Kobe would rather take 10 contested fadeaways and make one than take 10 shots at the rim and make four. He's the definition of insanity.

[HOoopCityJones]

Definitely misguided, as evidenced by the results:banana:

5 rings, 28 game winners? 15 All NBA? :confusedshrug:

[Wade's Rings]

Thats funny, because Kobe literally the same year was worse against Dallas in the clutch.

-In 2011 against the Mavericks: LeBron was 7-21 33% in the 4th and 4-13 with less than 3 minutes in the 4th.

-In 2011 against the Mavericks: Kobe was 6-19 32% in the 4th and 2-9 22% under 3 minutes left in the 4th.

Those numbers don't even do justice to show you how bad Bron was in the 4th of those Finals.

[ArbitraryWater]

But at least he's fearless doe... dem GM's :bowdown:

[Mr Feeny]

In Game 2, the Lakers led 63-60 going into the 4th Quarter, and 75-68 with 2 minutes to go.

In Game 4, the Lakers led 80-71 going into the 4th Quarter.

But it was Bean in Game 2 who wet the bed with his 2-7 shooting in the 4th, missing FIVE shots in the last 2 minutes PLUS a turnover that (up 7) led to an OKC dunk and their comeback.

In Game 4 it was Bean once again who shot 2-10 in the close 4th quarter this time (1-8 without the useless ones at the buzzer).

Plus the turnover with a minute remaining in a 1 possession game (I think game 4)

[RRR3]

Yeah prime LeBron is one of the best choices for a drive to the rim in crunch time. I would take Kobe for a jumper though.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Thats funny, because Kobe literally the same year was worse against Dallas in the clutch.

-In 2011 against the Mavericks: LeBron was 7-21 33% in the 4th and 4-13 with less than 3 minutes in the 4th.

-In 2011 against the Mavericks: Kobe was 6-19 32% in the 4th and 2-9 22% under 3 minutes left in the 4th

Meh.

Sweep versus a close, 6 game series.

Kobe's 4th quarter in Game 1 was better than any of LeBron's vs Dallas. He shot above league average, and hit 3 or 4 clutch shots iirc.

[Magic 32]

Taking smarter shots and being better at getting to the rim, I'd say.

Can you post how that fared against good teams?

Let's say......50+ wins and up.

[STATUTORY]

Kobe has grizzly bears leaping in his face while the earth opens up below him :bowdown:

LeBron only fastbreak dunks and the magically 100+ open shots in the last minutes of a playoff game :durantunimpressed:
it's the entire 4th quarter and yes he does get a lot of transition baskets

[Mr Feeny]

5 rings, 28 game winners? 15 All NBA? :confusedshrug:

Which has what to do with him being a poorer clutch player than LeBron James?

[ArbitraryWater]

Plus the turnover with a minute remaining in a 1 possession game (I think game 4)

Oh, that was game 2.. the funny thing about that was the hypocrisy after game 4, Kobe was like 'Gasol should have never given that ball up', when he made that same pass/turnover right into Durant's hands in game 2 :lol

GAWDBE :bowdown:

[HOoopCityJones]

If Kobe wasn't insane, he'd be a better choice. But it's hard to not fear that he'll pull something stupid in those situations.

All it is is revisionism.


Kobe's stinking up the joint now, but a few years ago (before career ending injury) those were his shots and everyone in the league would've killed for him to take those shots for their Team. Now you all are watching old and broken Kobe and fooling yourselves into believing this is what his impact has always amounted to , I mean I guess it's funny , maybe even euphoric to the average Kobe hater. But it's not reality.

Kobe's shot selection has done more good than harm for his career , idk how that can be disputed.

[Mr Feeny]

Meh.

Sweep versus a close, 6 game series.

Kobe's 4th quarter in Game 1 was better than any of LeBron's vs Dallas. He shot above league average, and hit 3 or 4 clutch shots iirc.

Exactememt! Kobrick got swept while lebron atleast got his team 2 wins. And shot better in the clickityclick clutch.

[Mr Feeny]

Oh, that was game 2.. the funny thing about that was the hypocrisy after game 4, Kobe was like 'Gasol should have never given that ball up', when he made that same pass/turnover right into Durant's hands in game 2 :lol

GAWDBE :bowdown:

THAT one, yeah. Near the right sideline where he just inexplicably gave Durant the ball and sealed the loss. Alpha as fek.

[Magic 32]

This is another thread where fans of inferior eastern conference players are bragging about their superior stats.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kobe+Bryant+Los+Angeles+Lakers+v+Dallas+Mavericks+ 8bXHeDZReFml.jpg

[RRR3]

5 rings, 28 game winners? 15 All NBA? :confusedshrug:
I believe feeny was referring to his lack of success on game winners, particularly in the playoffs. Yes he has 28, but his percentage is poor.

5 rings are a product of him being a great player on great teams irrelevant to fame winners.

15 all-NBA teams...again we've established Kobe is great. Not sure what your point is.

[Mr Feeny]

All it is is revisionism.


Kobe's stinking up the joint now, but a few years ago (before career ending injury) those were his shots and everyone in the league would've killed for him to take those shots for their Team. Now you all are watching old and broken Kobe and fooling yourselves into believing this is what his impact has always amounted to , I mean I guess it's funny , maybe even euphoric to the average Kobe hater. But it's not reality.

Kobe's shot selection has done more good than harm for his career , idk how that can be disputed.

Cute, but the numbers are all there. Your boy has always been an atrocious shooter in crunch time.

[ArbitraryWater]

Meh.

Sweep versus a close, 6 game series.

Kobe's 4th quarter in Game 1 was better than any of LeBron's vs Dallas. He shot above league average, and hit 3 or 4 clutch shots iirc.

playoff 4th quarters

2004: Kobe shot 42-126 37% - with 3 minutes left: 10-38 26%
2006: Kobe shot 16-43 37% - with 3 minutes left: 4-14 29%
2007: Kobe shot 10-34 29% - with 3 minutes left: 3-18 17%
2011: Kobe shot 12-39 31% - with 3 minutes left: 3-18 17%
2012: Kobe shot 27-74 36% - with 3 minutes left:

2009/2010 finals:

2009:
Kobe shot 10-for-33, 30.3%; Gasol shot 10-for-17, 58.8%. #Clutch.

2010:
Kobe shot 12-for-41, 29.3%; Gasol shot 10-for-17, 58.8%. #Clutch.

Maybe this will satisfy... Kobe da gawd :bowdown: (he was great in '08 doe)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Exactememt! Kobrick got swept while lebron atleast got his team 2 wins. And shot better in the clickityclick clutch.

You mean Wade? LeBron was god-awful in that series. :oldlol:

[STATUTORY]

Please show advanced stats that are favorable to Kobe.

So why is it that Lebron has had so MANY of these WIDE OPEN shots when he hasn't played with MDE (or any player of that stature who would be commanding double teams) and has had a much SHORTER career than Kobe and therefore should have LESS of these shots?

Are you saying that it's admirable that Kobe's shot and made 32% of these shots - but no excuse/explanation for his poor shot selection (since he's "holding on to the ball till last second and shooting it draped with defenders") which would lead to losing games?

for his posititon Kobe is elite when it comes to eFG% and TS%

[HOoopCityJones]

Which has what to do with him being a poorer clutch player than LeBron James?

In a random metric of tie and to go ahead , how about to ****ing win? That's the type of shots Kobe's hit for his career. Not these bullshit tampered metrics made to specifically discredit him.

[RRR3]

You mean Wade? LeBron was god-awful in that series. :oldlol:
This is 100% true, but LeBron was the best player in one of their wins fwiw

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

playoff 4th quarters

2004: Kobe shot 42-126 37% - with 3 minutes left: 10-38 26%
2006: Kobe shot 16-43 37% - with 3 minutes left: 4-14 29%
2007: Kobe shot 10-34 29% - with 3 minutes left: 3-18 17%
2011: Kobe shot 12-39 31% - with 3 minutes left: 3-18 17%
2012: Kobe shot 27-74 36% - with 3 minutes left:

2009/2010 finals:

2009:
Kobe shot 10-for-33, 30.3%; Gasol shot 10-for-17, 58.8%. #Clutch.

2010:
Kobe shot 12-for-41, 29.3%; Gasol shot 10-for-17, 58.8%. #Clutch.

Maybe this will satisfy... Kobe da gawd :bowdown: (he was great in '08 doe)

:eek:

Damn...and '11 LeBron still managed to out-due him in ineptitude. :facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

I believe feeny was referring to his lack of success on game winners, particularly in the playoffs. Yes he has 28, but his percentage is poor.

5 rings are a product of him being a great player on great teams irrelevant to fame winners.

15 all-NBA teams...again we've established Kobe is great. Not sure what your point is.


Because he's taken the most. It's the simple math of volume


So let me ask you something, you honestly think Lebron's a better shooter than Kobe? His percentage is better.

[RRR3]

All it is is revisionism.


Kobe's stinking up the joint now, but a few years ago (before career ending injury) those were his shots and everyone in the league would've killed for him to take those shots for their Team. Now you all are watching old and broken Kobe and fooling yourselves into believing this is what his impact has always amounted to , I mean I guess it's funny , maybe even euphoric to the average Kobe hater. But it's not reality.

Kobe's shot selection has done more good than harm for his career , idk how that can be disputed.
You are attacking straw men.

Don't confuse my comments with AW and feeny who, while making generally true statements are also having fun trolling you.

I didn't say I wouldn't put the ball in Kobes hands in crunch time. I would. But I think he has a tendency to take stupid shots in those situations and I would much prefer someone like Durant for that reason.

[Magic 32]

This is 100% true, but LeBron was the best player in one of their wins fwiw

Maybe Lebron had a reliable second option.

[HOoopCityJones]

Cute, but the numbers are all there. Your boy has always been an atrocious shooter in crunch time.

All that matters is resullts , not how shit looks on paper. If your boy was more worried about results instead of appearances, he wouldn't be 2/6 , I can guarantee you that.

[ArbitraryWater]

Bron, Dirk, lets show Kobe what a clutch player looks like....

http://i.gyazo.com/b5b18dde632bd7661e4d4bff861e532e.png

Yes, Kobe fans, the 3-peat years are missing... but... you won't like them last second shots any better :(

[Mr Feeny]

playoff 4th quarters

2004: Kobe shot 42-126 37% - with 3 minutes left: 10-38 26%
2006: Kobe shot 16-43 37% - with 3 minutes left: 4-14 29%
2007: Kobe shot 10-34 29% - with 3 minutes left: 3-18 17%
2011: Kobe shot 12-39 31% - with 3 minutes left: 3-18 17%
2012: Kobe shot 27-74 36% - with 3 minutes left:

2009/2010 finals:

2009:
Kobe shot 10-for-33, 30.3%; Gasol shot 10-for-17, 58.8%. #Clutch.

2010:
Kobe shot 12-for-41, 29.3%; Gasol shot 10-for-17, 58.8%. #Clutch.

Maybe this will satisfy... Kobe da gawd :bowdown: (he was great in '08 doe)

:biggums: Into the body bag does the Kobe stan :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

2012 WCQF: 16-40 40%
-In the G1 blowout W Kobe padded going 6-8 for his 31 pts
Without the irrelevant G1: 10-32 31%

2012 WCSF: 11-34 32
-In the G5 blowout L Kobe padded 4-9 to get his 42 pts
Without the irrelevant G5: 7-25 28%

Without the irrelevant 1R G1 & 2R G5: 17-57 30%

CLOSERRRRR!!!!

-Kobe 2011 v.s. the Hornets: 6-20 30% in the 4th and 1-9 11% with under 3 minutes

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe in 2006 margin 5 or less: 7-25 28% in 4 Q's and 3-11 27% under 3 minutes


LAWDBE

[Mr Feeny]

2012 WCQF: 16-40 40%
-In the G1 blowout W Kobe padded going 6-8 for his 31 pts
Without the irrelevant G1: 10-32 31%

2012 WCSF: 11-34 32
-In the G5 blowout L Kobe padded 4-9 to get his 42 pts
Without the irrelevant G5: 7-25 28%

Without the irrelevant 1R G1 & 2R G5: 17-57 30%

CLOSERRRRR!!!!

-Kobe 2011 v.s. the Hornets: 6-20 30% in the 4th and 1-9 11% with under 3 minutes

:biggums:

[RRR3]

Because he's taken the most. It's the simple math of volume


So let me ask you something, you honestly think Lebron's a better shooter than Kobe? His percentage is better.
Of course not. They are on the same level as far as 3Pter go (assuming The 2015 playoffs aren't an indication that LeBron forgot how to shoot 3s permanently), but Kobe is deadly on jumpers from inside the arc, whereas LeBron has always been anywhere from poor to average there.

[HOoopCityJones]

You are attacking straw men.

Don't confuse my comments with AW and feeny who, while making generally true statements are also having fun trolling you.

I didn't say I wouldn't put the ball in Kobes hands in crunch time. I would. But I think he has a tendency to take stupid shots in those situations and I would much prefer someone like Durant for that reason.


Durant is just as low on that list. I know it's a small sample size considering he was hurt. but then again so was old man Kobe. no straw man if you're agreeing with trolls bro, stick by your statements, you made it sound like Kobe's reputation as a clutch player is faux , when the irony is because he could make those tough shots is why Gms and Coaches thought he was the most valuable in the Clutch.

[ArbitraryWater]

Clutch Gawd had polar bears and tigers defending him and he STILL didnt hesitate to take the shot

http://i.gyazo.com/0b2a25e6eda8d8e6c2d1d487b3cb6f22.png

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe in 2006: 7-25 28% in 4 Q's and 3-11 27% under 3 minutes


LAWDBEI just choked on my steak reading that low shooting percentage:wtf: :bowdown:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This is 100% true, but LeBron was the best player in one of their wins fwiw

Probably. Not really saying much though. That series was the worst from any superstar, ever.

When Dwade screamed at LeBron to quit playing shook. Priceless. :lol

[Mr Feeny]

Probably. Not really saying much though. That series was the worst from any superstar, ever.

When D_wade was screaming at LeBron to quit playing shook. Priceless. :lol

Not as priceless as getting swept by same said German-led team:lol

[HOoopCityJones]

Of course not. They are on the same level as far as 3Pter go (assuming The 2015 playoffs aren't an indication that LeBron forgot how to shoot 3s permanently), but Kobe is deadly on jumpers from inside the arc, whereas LeBron has always been anywhere from poor to average there.

It's all about volume, if Kobe was only taking 11 to 12 shots a game being very specific about where he shoots from like Lebron, his FG % would look like prime Tyson Chandler's too.

[Magic 32]

playoff 4th quarters

2004: Kobe shot 42-126 37% - with 3 minutes left: 10-38 26%


Rape case. Was awful all around...all game.



2006: Kobe shot 16-43 37% - with 3 minutes left: 4-14 29%


I remember him basically winning game 2, 4 and 6 by himself in the clutch (Kwame stole game 6 back to the Suns).



2007: Kobe shot 10-34 29% - with 3 minutes left: 3-18 17%


Was he even in during the 4th?

I remember 3 blowouts in that series.



2011: Kobe shot 12-39 31% - with 3 minutes left: 3-18 17%


Awful. Was breaking down though.



2012: Kobe shot 27-74 36% - with 3 minutes left:


The one time where he played the way you and other haters pretend he plays in the clutch.

[Mr Feeny]

You think I'm done?

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah306/MaleRuler/Funny/2bcdcb34b4c4f5cb92e38068d684f99f_zpsa290acff.png

4th quarter margin 5 or less

2009 Finals: 6-19 32% and 2-8 25% under 3 minutes
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

You think I'm done?

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah306/MaleRuler/Funny/2bcdcb34b4c4f5cb92e38068d684f99f_zpsa290acff.png

4th quarter margin 5 or less

2009 Finals: 6-19 32% and 2-8 25% under 3 minutes.

[ArbitraryWater]

Gawdamn feelin' hot over here... on a roll HO-LEE SHIT

I'm actually Eh Oh El'ing at these Kobe clutch stats myself

[Mr Feeny]

:sleeping
You think I'm done?

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah306/MaleRuler/Funny/2bcdcb34b4c4f5cb92e38068d684f99f_zpsa290acff.png

4th quarter margin 5 or less

2009 Finals: 6-19 32% and 2-8 25% under 3 minutes.
:biggums:

[rmt]

None of them are still trying to carry a Team. :lol


Kobe's delusional , but he's far from the biggest travesty to grace the Basketball court as this thread's agenda seems to be. Also for a Spurs fan you seem to spend 80% of your time trying to discredit Kobe.

Couldn't be because he been in that ass all those years.

Naw, just bored - no tennis till US Open and it's a long time till training camp. It's summer and the kids are on the computer playing video games.

After all these years of Kobe stans proclaiming his clutchness, it's fun to see the stats that are as plain as day disputing just that. It's because of the Kobe stans why others over-react to their outrageous claims (such as top 5).

[STATUTORY]

hard to make shots when you are consistently doubled at the three point line

Lebron wouldn't know anything about dat life doe, that kind of defense is reserved for the truly great scorers

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not as priceless as getting swept by same said German-led team:lol

You're right. LeBron melting down harder than any superstar past and present was far more entertaining. :applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

This ni99a AW has a file strictly for Kobe advanced metrics.

When you consider Feeny is his alt , talk abt Rent free.

[RRR3]

Maybe Lebron had a reliable second option.
LeBron had a reliable "2nd option" all finals in 2011, not sure what your point is.

[Magic 32]

You think I'm done?

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah306/MaleRuler/Funny/2bcdcb34b4c4f5cb92e38068d684f99f_zpsa290acff.png

4th quarter margin 5 or less

2009 Finals: 6-19 32% and 2-8 25% under 3 minutes.

Kobe shot 1-5 in a game 1 of the finals (blowout) to get from 38 to 40.

Must mean that he's not clutch.

Can you provide some interesting stats or are you just a troll?

[HOoopCityJones]

Naw, just bored - no tennis till US Open and it's a long time till training camp. It's summer and the kids are on the computer playing video games.

After all these years of Kobe stans proclaiming his clutchness, it's fun to see the stats that are as plain as day disputing just that. It's because of the Kobe stans why others over-react to their outrageous claims (such as top 5).

No worse than what Duncan stans praise him or give a pass for. At least Kobe stans/ Laker fans acknowledge the dude has faults.

[Magic 32]

LeBron had a reliable "2nd option" all finals in 2011, not sure what your point is.

I don't think reliable is the right word.

[RRR3]

Durant is just as low on that list. I know it's a small sample size considering he was hurt. but then again so was old man Kobe. no straw man if you're agreeing with trolls bro, stick by your statements, you made it sound like Kobe's reputation as a clutch player is faux , when the irony is because he could make those tough shots is why Gms and Coaches thought he was the most valuable in the Clutch.
Durant is smarter, in general he is the player I believe would be the best choice for a game winning jumper. :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

It's all about volume, if Kobe was only taking 11 to 12 shots a game being very specific about where he shoots from like Lebron, his FG % would look like prime Tyson Chandler's too.
I just agreed with you Kobe is a better shooter, and you're still yapping about hypotheticals. :biggums:

When did LeBron ever take "11 or 12 shots a game"?

[HOoopCityJones]

Durant is smarter, in general he is the player I believe would be the best choice for a game winning jumper. :confusedshrug:

Durant is also in his prime. I'll take any version of pre achilles injury Kobe over Durant.

[ArbitraryWater]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/bc2632536be93021841684702828b0b1/tumblr_myr05c7aZo1r9qr8ao2_250.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/2f1174af91de440051192b74e7d88ad9/tumblr_myr05c7aZo1r9qr8ao1_250.gif




Kobe 4th quarter margin 5 or less

2010 Finals: 4-15 28%

[HOoopCityJones]

I just agreed with you Kobe is a better shooter, and you're still yapping about hypotheticals. :biggums:

When did LeBron ever take "11 or 12 shots a game"?

Ni99a has never went over 14 shots a game til this past Finals and his percentage went to shit because of it.

[ArbitraryWater]

I just gotta side with kuniva here..

http://i.gyazo.com/6920a3775662d8dc7c729e3611757e1e.png

thats all it is, a myth.

okay folks, raped this thread Kobe style and gotta go now, love you all :rockon: :cheers:

[red1]

AW putting on an insidehoops mythbusters special :applause:

[Magic 32]

Without seeing these shots the stats are meaningless.

Lebron stans live on the meaningless.

This is Kobe not being clutch (Luke with the awful pass)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPvz9MXK7tk&t=0m38s

This is Lebron being clutch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxN5ahX3s3A&t=6m37s

This is how Lebron and his fans have rigged the system.

[Wade's Rings]

Exactememt! Kobrick got swept while lebron atleast got his team 2 wins. And shot better in the clickityclick clutch.

Wade got them 2 Wins.

[RRR3]

Ni99a has never went over 14 shots a game til this past Finals and his percentage went to shit because of it.
LeBron in 2012 finals: 47.2%, 21.6 shots per game
2013 finals: 44.7%, 21.4 shots per game
2014 finals: 57.1%, 18.2 shots per game




:biggums:

[RRR3]

Wade got them 2 Wins.
LeBron got them game 1.

[rmt]

No worse than what Duncan stans praise him or give a pass for. At least Kobe stans/ Laker fans acknowledge the dude has faults.

He does get passes mostly because of his age, but even YOU must admit that he is performing well. And of course he has faults - can't defend the pick'n roll on the perimeter, can shoot free throws in pressure situations, goes on like he's never committed a foul in his life but usually it doesn't cost them games. And unlike Kobe stans, I don't see many Spurs fan claiming he's rated top 3-5. Peace.

[Magic 32]

ArbitraryWater got his mojo back.

Can't be June then.

[HOoopCityJones]

LeBron in 2012 finals: 47.2%, 21.6 shots per game
2013 finals: 44.7%, 21.4 shots per game
2014 finals: 57.1%, 18.2 shots per game




:biggums:


Chucker.

[RRR3]

Chucker.
Not going to admit you were wrong? :coleman:


Nothing wrong with those percentages, 2013 is the only one it was really questionable.

[HOoopCityJones]

ArbitraryWater got his mojo back.

Can't be June then.


What Mojo? He's just piggy backing off someone else's shit like always. :lol

[red1]

ArbitraryWater got his mojo back.

Can't be June then.
you lack mojo and are a salty hoe every month of the year :yaohappy: :party:

[HOoopCityJones]

Not going to admit you were wrong? :coleman:


Nothing wrong with those percentages, 2013 is the only one it was really questionable.

Just gave up on taking sense, if we're trolling let's troll. :applause:

[RRR3]

Just gave up on taking sense, if we're trolling let's troll. :applause:
How am I trolling? Again, stop grouping in me with other posters.

[HOoopCityJones]

He does get passes mostly because of his age, but even YOU must admit that he is performing well. And of course he has faults - can't defend the pick'n roll on the perimeter, can shoot free throws in pressure situations, goes on like he's never committed a foul in his life but usually it doesn't cost them games. And unlike Kobe stans, I don't see many Spurs fan claiming he's rated top 3-5. Peace.

:biggums: This all you guys were yelling about after the 2014 Finals?

[RRR3]

:biggums: This all you guys were yelling about after the 2014 Finals?
Gotta agree with hoop here.

[HOoopCityJones]

How am I trolling? Again, stop grouping in me with other posters.

I didn't say you were, but you did agree with the idiots so forgive me if I lumped you in with them earlier.

[Wade's Rings]

LeBron got them game 1.

Nah. Wade closed out that game.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

AW using my posts to help his argument. :pimp:


And this nigguh said he never had a father figure... :no:

[DonDadda59]

Bean stans getting SLAUGHTERED by LeHairline stans in this bitch. Yeezus. :ohwell:

[HOoopCityJones]

AW using my posts to help his argument. :pimp:


And this nigguh said he never had a father figure... :no:

https://i.imgur.com/61Q9J7j.gif

[Magic 32]

Bean stans getting SLAUGHTERED by LeHairline stans in this bitch. Yeezus. :ohwell:

Primarily by posting so much juke that no one can keep up with it.


Kobe in 2006 margin 5 or less: 7-25 28% in 4 Q's and 3-11 27% under 3 minutes
LAWDBE

A flat out lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYXaFteOlk&t=4m20s

So that's at least two

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egtk-29hqwU&t=7m37s

Two more.

So already here we have a LIE.

[RRR3]

Nah. Wade closed out that game.
:rolleyes: I watched the 2011 finals, dude, LeBron was clearly the best player in game 1. Wade was 10x better in the finals, no need to worry. But LeBron was the man in game 1.

[RRR3]

Bean stans getting SLAUGHTERED by LeHairline stans in this bitch. Yeezus. :ohwell:
Kobe and LeBron stans are the annoying little kids, Jordan stans are the dads fed up with their kids, and Wilt stans are the grandpas ranting about "back in my day!"

[Wade's Rings]

:rolleyes: I watched the 2011 finals, dude, LeBron was clearly the best player in game 1. Wade was 10x better in the finals, no need to worry. But LeBron was the man in game 1.

ok bruh

[rmt]

:biggums: This all you guys were yelling about after the 2014 Finals?

A few of them did - caught up in the moment - but when things are settled down - most don't. Unlike Kobe stans, who aren't caught up in the moment (it's been 5 years).

His peak is not high enough for 3 - the entire career MIGHT be a STRETCH for 4-5 mostly because it isn't done yet. Remember he made all-nba and all-defensive last year with a very good playoff run and barring injury, should contend again next year.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe and LeBron stans are the annoying little kids, Jordan stans are the dads fed up with their kids, and Wilt stans are the grandpas ranting about "back in my day!"

One big happy family :cry:

http://herscoop.com/files/2015/02/awkward-family-30.jpg

[RRR3]

One big happy family :cry:

http://herscoop.com/files/2015/02/awkward-family-30.jpg
http://littlefun.org/uploads/522a74b8e691b25f4848b82c_736.jpg

[Legends66NBA7]

How did this thread get so big ?

It was like 2 pages last night. :biggums:

[HOoopCityJones]

You google pedo imagery?

[HOoopCityJones]

How did this thread get so big ?

It was like 2 pages last night. :biggums:

Kobe rules ISH bruh. Haters and stans alike.

70% of the posts are just AW spamming tho.

[DonDadda59]

You google pedo imagery?

I googled family portraits. :crazysam:

[jlip]

I only read the first few pages of this thread, but doesn't Lebron also have the most playoff buzzer beaters for active players?

[AirFederer]

Kobe stans staying away from the numbers, wisely :oldlol:

Is there a metric that shows Kobe on or above average as a "closer"? Please show us :cheers:

[Jacks3]

Kobe stans staying away from the numbers, wisely :oldlol:

Is there a metric that shows Kobe on or above average as a "closer"? Please show us :cheers:

How about the great numbers he put in the last 5 min of close games in the post-season? 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points

https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kobe-clutch-playoffs.jpg

How about the ridiculous numbers he put up in the clutch over his prime?

https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/kobe-clutch.jpg

Here are his last prime seasons:

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

Keep in mind that league-average efficiency numbers tend to see a huge decline in the clutch.

Bryant was quite excellent down the stretch of close games from 2003-2007, but he verified his reputation as an assassin from 2008-2010. He took about 8 more shots per 36 in clutch situations (and nearly twice as many FT

[Beastmode88]

LMAO this thread was on page 3 this morning now 13? :biggums:

[HOoopCityJones]

How about the great numbers he put in the last 5 min of close games in the post-season? 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points

https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kobe-clutch-playoffs.jpg

How about the ridiculous numbers he put up in the clutch over his prime?

https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/kobe-clutch.jpg

Here are his last prime seasons:

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

Keep in mind that league-average efficiency numbers tend to see a huge decline in the clutch.

Bryant was quite excellent down the stretch of close games from 2003-2007, but he verified his reputation as an assassin from 2008-2010. He took about 8 more shots per 36 in clutch situations (and nearly twice as many FT’s) with almost no change in his eFG%. There’s no significant improvement like Ginobili saw (or Manu’s obscene accuracy at 55.9% eFG%) but Bryant’s shooting twice as much as Ginobili and is still way above average for perimeter player accuracy.

There's plenty of statistical stuff backing Kobe's rep as a great closer.

http://i.imgur.com/iW4SZua.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

AW using my posts to help his argument. :pimp:


And this nigguh said he never had a father figure... :no:

:D


Nah. Wade closed out that game.

Saying Wade won them game 1 is revisionist history, LeBron wasn't just the more impacting Player but also was voted/won Player of the game. They announced it at the end.

[TheMarkMadsen]

How about the great numbers he put in the last 5 min of close games in the post-season? 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points

https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kobe-clutch-playoffs.jpg

How about the ridiculous numbers he put up in the clutch over his prime?

https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/kobe-clutch.jpg

Here are his last prime seasons:

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

Keep in mind that league-average efficiency numbers tend to see a huge decline in the clutch.

Bryant was quite excellent down the stretch of close games from 2003-2007, but he verified his reputation as an assassin from 2008-2010. He took about 8 more shots per 36 in clutch situations (and nearly twice as many FT’s) with almost no change in his eFG%. There’s no significant improvement like Ginobili saw (or Manu’s obscene accuracy at 55.9% eFG%) but Bryant’s shooting twice as much as Ginobili and is still way above average for perimeter player accuracy.

There's plenty of statistical stuff backing Kobe's rep as a great closer.

after this dose of ether only like 2 post have been made in this thread after being the most active thread all day

:roll: :roll:

[Hey Yo]

http://i.imgur.com/jUk3nEJ.jpg
Kobe stans




http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/car_hits_peleton.jpg

[Wade's Rings]

Saying Wade won them game 1 is revisionist history, LeBron wasn't just the more impacting Player but also was voted/won Player of the game. They announced it at the end.

How? Wade closed the Game out down the stretch and was statistically even with Bron :confusedshrug:

[Lakers 24/7]

what season is this data from?

[TheMarkMadsen]

what season is this data from?

the op was from last season..

lmao yeah.. people in here hating on 36 yo injured Kobe, yet when Jacks post numbers from throughout his career the haters go ghost..

and to ad on to that

Kobe led the league in 4th quarter playoff scoring in 01 & 02

the undisputed closer on those b2b teams

[Lakers 24/7]

the op was from last season..

lmao yeah..

I figured. I just saw the stats a couple posts back where he dominated the league in his prime in the clutch. But instead they focus on his 19th injured riddled season lol. Rent free I guess

[Lakers 24/7]

I could compile a sh*t load of data to prove how clutch he's been throughout his prime years. But f*k it I don't have to waste on these dumba*ses lol.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I figured. I just saw the stats a couple posts back where he dominated the league in his prime. But instead they focus on his 19th injured riddled season lol. Rent free I guess

this is the very definition..

if clutch efficiency regardless of the context means so much to these lebron stans..

why don't they go ahead and post bran's from these past finals ..

oh yeah..they won't..

:yaohappy: :yaohappy:

[Lakers 24/7]

this is the very definition..

if clutch efficiency regardless of the context means so much to these lebron stans..

why don't they go ahead and post bran's from these past finals ..

oh yeah..they won't..

:yaohappy: :yaohappy:

You hit on the head. They look at the stats but fail to grasp the concept that context is everything. But whats the point of arguing with them.

A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, because someone from a distance can't tell who is who

im out

[Trollsmasher]

AW sending Kobetards back into the Stone Age one at a time:roll:

[sportjames23]

How did this turn into another Kobe vs lebron thread


Every thread is a variation of Kobe vs Lebron, whether overtly or covertly.

[Jacks3]

the op was from last season..

lmao yeah.. people in here hating on 36 yo injured Kobe, yet when Jacks post numbers from throughout his career the haters go ghost..

and to ad on to that

Kobe led the league in 4th quarter playoff scoring in 01 & 02

the undisputed closer on those b2b teams

yep. his clutch numbers in the 2002 playoffs were particularly amazing.

I was looking back at the 2002 run, because I remember Kobe being super clutch that year. I checked some 4th quarter play by plays and the margin with which he was better than Shaq in 4th quarters even surprised me. Didn't look at 2001 because they were so dominant and didn't need clutch play. 2002 was a much tougher road. They had to beat the Spurs (won 58 games) and lost HCA to them after two games and Kings without HCA (who won 61 games). Both those series were very close, the Spurs series was literally decided in the last couple of minutes in every game. Kings series of course went 7 games.

Anyways

[TheMarkMadsen]

[QUOTE=Jacks3]yep. his clutch numbers in the 2002 playoffs were particularly amazing.

I was looking back at the 2002 run, because I remember Kobe being super clutch that year. I checked some 4th quarter play by plays and the margin with which he was better than Shaq in 4th quarters even surprised me. Didn't look at 2001 because they were so dominant and didn't need clutch play. 2002 was a much tougher road. They had to beat the Spurs (won 58 games) and lost HCA to them after two games and Kings without HCA (who won 61 games). Both those series were very close, the Spurs series was literally decided in the last couple of minutes in every game. Kings series of course went 7 games.

Anyways

[Jacks3]

you're killing these idiots

:bowdown: :bowdown:

can't be too proud about shitting on a bunch of ignorant ****s. :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

AW sending Kobetards back into the Stone Age one at a time:roll:

:cheers:

Now we gettin' essays on one Playoff run and a big time Kobe stan circle jerk :lol

Jacks3 still the GOAT Kobe fan though.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe haters stuck on Mute.

I guess kicking an old and broken Kobe while he's down is all they can muster.

[HOoopCityJones]

:cheers:

Now we gettin' essays on one Playoff run and a big time Kobe stan circle jerk :lol

Jacks3 still the GOAT Kobe fan though.

Yea, because he shittin on every single one of you. :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

How? Wade closed the Game out down the stretch and was statistically even with Bron :confusedshrug:

no... he wasnt :oldlol:

Bron had 24 pts on 16 shots 56%
Wade had 22 pts on 19 shots 47%

clear edge Bron

edit: 71% TS and 69% eFG for Bron too

[Wade's Rings]

Yea, because he shittin on every single one of you. :roll:

Nah that's not why

[ArbitraryWater]

Yea, because he shittin on every single one of you. :roll:

because he isn't a retard like most of you

He was cringing at guys like you not too long ago himself, with this silly "LeBron ball" talk

[tpols]

no... he wasnt :oldlol:

Bron had 24 pts on 16 shots 56%
Wade had 22 pts on 19 shots 47%

clear edge Bron

edit: 71% TS and 69% eFG for Bron too

Without wade and kobe, lebron and Shaq are ringless bro...


They need their daddies to come in and close games for them.:D

[Wade's Rings]

no... he wasnt :oldlol:

Bron had 24 pts on 16 shots 56%
Wade had 22 pts on 19 shots 47%

clear edge Bron

edit: 71% TS and 69% eFG for Bron too

Wade had more Boards, Assists, and Blocks too. Bron had more steals and less turnovers.

In the Finals 5 minutes, Wade had 5pts, 2rbds, 2ast, and 1blk. He scored 5 Points to help put the Heat up 9 and pretty much iced the game...but yeah "clear edge Bron" :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Without wade and kobe, lebron and Shaq are ringless bro...


They need their daddies to come in and close games for them.:D

Wade wasn't no daddy no more after 2011 though :(



Wade had more Boards, Assists, and Blocks too. Bron had more steals and less turnovers.

In the Finals 5 minutes, Wade had 5pts, 2rbds, 2ast, and 1blk. He scored 5 Points to help put the Heat up 9 and pretty much iced the game...but yeah "clear edge Bron" :oldlol:

There's a noticeable difference in scoring, while everything besides it is pretty much a wash.... :confusedshrug:

Wade with 10/6/0/2 and 3 TO's
Bron with 9/5/1/0 and 1 TO

That's hella even... the scoring isn't, though.

[HOoopCityJones]

Why do you guys even entertain this troll. CnP Warrior.

[ArbitraryWater]

ew CityJones making it awkward again

[TheMarkMadsen]

:cheers:

Now we gettin' essays on one Playoff run and a big time Kobe stan circle jerk :lol

Jacks3 still the GOAT Kobe fan though.

why don't you address this..??

[QUOTE=Jacks3]How about the great numbers he put in the last 5 min of close games in the post-season? 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points

https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kobe-clutch-playoffs.jpg

How about the ridiculous numbers he put up in the clutch over his prime?

https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/kobe-clutch.jpg

Here are his last prime seasons:

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM

Keep in mind that league-average efficiency numbers tend to see a huge decline in the clutch.

Bryant was quite excellent down the stretch of close games from 2003-2007, but he verified his reputation as an assassin from 2008-2010. He took about 8 more shots per 36 in clutch situations (and nearly twice as many FT

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade had more Boards, Assists, and Blocks too. Bron had more steals and less turnovers.

In the Finals 5 minutes, Wade had 5pts, 2rbds, 2ast, and 1blk. He scored 5 Points to help put the Heat up 9 and pretty much iced the game...but yeah "clear edge Bron" :oldlol:

bro he's giving bran that game because of 2 extra points :facepalm

yet when he has to decide between Pau & Kobe scoring doesn't matter apparently


G2:
Gasol: 25/12(5 offensive)/2 on 57%
Kobe: 39/5/1 on 42%

Gasol > Kobe

:roll:

[RRR3]

Wade had more Boards, Assists, and Blocks too. Bron had more steals and less turnovers.

In the Finals 5 minutes, Wade had 5pts, 2rbds, 2ast, and 1blk. He scored 5 Points to help put the Heat up 9 and pretty much iced the game...but yeah "clear edge Bron" :oldlol:
LeBron was better to everyone who watched that game. Jesus Christ he had an all time terrible series; doesn't mean he didn't have a good game 1 and we have to revise history.

[STATUTORY]

why don't you address this..??




that's years of data..

he's waiting for someone else to do it first before plagiarizing

AW @ work :applause: :applause:

[Wade's Rings]

bro he's giving bran that game because of 2 extra points :facepalm

yet when he has to decide between Pau & Kobe scoring doesn't matter apparently



:roll:

:oldlol:


LeBron was better to everyone who watched that game. Jesus Christ he had an all time terrible series; doesn't mean he didn't have a good game 1 and we have to revise history.

Ok "EYE TEST" :rolleyes: When did I say he had a bad Game 1? Wade & Bron were pretty even statistically and Wade closes out the Game down the stretch, and somehow claiming Wade was the best player is revising History?

[RRR3]

:oldlol:



Ok "EYE TEST" :rolleyes: When did I say he had a bad Game 1? Wade & Bron were pretty even statistically and Wade closes out the Game down the stretch, and somehow claiming Wade was the best player is revising History?
LeBron was better in game 1, IDK why you have such trouble admitting it :oldlol: Not like Wade was to blame for anything in that series anyways

[Hey Yo]

LeBron was better in game 1, IDK why you have such trouble admitting it :oldlol: Not like Wade was to blame for anything in that series anyways
Except the small part of wanting to be first option one last time in a Finals and not being able to carry his team to a ring after it was agreed upon.

[brownmamba00]

I love how every Kobe Bron argument comes back to the 2011 Choke series and the 'shook' game where he had 8 pts.

It's that one thing that will keep haunting him for the rest of his life and keep him off that Kobe MJ Magic Bird level

Sad story

[RRR3]

Except the small part of wanting to be first option one last time in a Finals and not being able to carry his team to a ring after it was agreed upon.
:rolleyes:

This is why we LeBron fans get hate

[red1]

I love how every Kobe Bron argument comes back to the 2011 Choke series and the 'shook' game where he had 8 pts.

It's that one thing that will keep haunting him for the rest of his life and keep him off that Kobe MJ Magic Bird level

Sad story
except for the fact that 2012 and 2013 proved that was a fluke when he won with an inferior version of the same team aka d-wade's decline


Except the small part of wanting to be first option one last time in a Finals and not being able to carry his team to a ring after it was agreed upon.
17 ppg in the finals that year bruh, let's not get carried away here

[Nash]

why don't you address this..??


LOL Kobe fans turning to data. :roll: :roll: Must be the first time, you have to be so excited, I can see it. I'm actually excited for you.

But somebody will probably answer to this. As a Kobe fan though you should not want to go into a stats war. I mean its Kobe and stats, how difficult could it be?

[chazzy]

Except the small part of wanting to be first option one last time in a Finals and not being able to carry his team to a ring after it was agreed upon.
Keep telling yourself that. Wade took more shots per game against the Celtics

[TheMarkMadsen]

except for the fact that 2012 and 2013 proved that was a fluke when he won with an inferior version of the same team aka d-wade's decline

he was very close to having 11 happen again in 13

he played awful through games 1-3 and the Spurs could have easily been up 3-0 and then he had another off game in game 5, so the series could have easily been over in 5

[RRR3]

he was very close to having 11 happen again in 13

he played awful through games 1-3 and the Spurs could have easily been up 3-0 and then he had another off game in game 5, so the series could have easily been over in 5
Close doesn't count. Kobe was very closing to clanking his way to defeat in game 7 of the 2010 finals. But he didn't and he boosted his legacy. Same with Bron in 2013.

[Wade's Rings]

except for the fact that 2012 and 2013 proved that was a fluke when he won with an inferior version of the same team aka d-wade's decline

The 2012 & 2013 Heat were much deeper than the 2011 Heat.

[Wade's Rings]

Keep telling yourself that. Wade took more shots per game against the Celtics

Wade took more shots per Game in the 2011 Regular Season than he did in the Finals.

[red1]

he was very close to having 11 happen again in 13

he played awful through games 1-3 and the Spurs could have easily been up 3-0
He was huge when it mattered bro. Had great games to close the series out and got better as the series went on. All-in-all it was a very good series and a well-deserved fmvp.

People harp on the ray allen three and the turnovers and forget he was the sole reason they came back from a 10 point deficit in the crucial elimination game 6 putting up a triple double.

http://www.nba.com/games/20130618/SASMIA/gameinfo.html

The Heat trailed by 13 points late in the third quarter and were down 75-65 entering the fourth quarter. LeBron James scored 18 of his 32 points in the fourth quarter and overtime to pace the Heat. James also had 11 assists and 10 rebounds for a triple-double. He now has tallied the last four triple-doubles in The Finals.

Game 7 is self-explanatory. Greatest finals game 7 performance in NBA history.


The 2012 & 2013 Heat were much deeper than the 2011 Heat.
That doesn't make up for wade's decline from 09-11 god mode.

[RRR3]

He was huge when it mattered bro. Had great games to close the series out and got better as the series went on. All-in-all it was a very good series and a well-deserved fmvp.

People harp on the ray allen three and the turnovers and forget he was the sole reason they came back from a 10 point deficit in the crucial elimination game 6 putting up a triple double.

http://www.nba.com/games/20130618/SASMIA/gameinfo.html


Game 7 is self-explanatory. Greatest finals game 7 performance in NBA history.
Don't forget Clutchmers contributions though :applause:

[Lakers 24/7]

He was huge when it mattered bro. Had great games to close the series out and got better as the series went on. All-in-all it was a very good series and a well-deserved fmvp.

People harp on the ray allen three and the turnovers and forget he was the sole reason they came back from a 10 point deficit in the crucial elimination game 6 putting up a triple double.

http://www.nba.com/games/20130618/SASMIA/gameinfo.html


Game 7 is self-explanatory. Greatest finals game 7 performance in NBA history.


That doesn't make up for wade's decline from 09-11 god mode.

Mad props to Lebron. He is without a doubt one of the top to ever lace them up.
Maybe even had a better overall impact on the game than Kobe. Its just annoying when people unnecessarily and ignorantly bash Kobe to put their star on a pedestal. Kobe's clutchness is not a myth.

[red1]

Don't forget Clutchmers contributions though :applause:
oops

http://media.steampowered.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/16/16e4d5ce1e5d1139772447800e9e85ae77eeeda5_full.jpg

[RRR3]

oops

http://media.steampowered.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/16/16e4d5ce1e5d1139772447800e9e85ae77eeeda5_full.jpg
Most swagful PG of all time :pimp:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Close doesn't count. Kobe was very closing to clanking his way to defeat in game 7 of the 2010 finals. But he didn't and he boosted his legacy. Same with Bron in 2013.

good I hope to never see you celebrating just making it to the finals ever again then..

and huge difference between those two examples you're using..

but of course you competely ignore that

bran almost lost the finals while the other team begged him to shoot wide open jumpers..

Kobe saw 2x the amount of defensive attention, put up 38/5/4 on 48% in game 5 and still lost by 6

Lebron put up 17/7/8 n 41% on game 2 and still won by 20+


Kobe through 5 games 2010 nba finals 30/6/4 with 2 steals on 54% TS

Lebron didn't get anywhere near that type of scoring production through the first 5 games

[Nash]

Don't forget Clutchmers contributions though :applause:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FFMQZ8sho

[red1]

good I hope to never see you celebrating just making it to the finals ever again then..

and huge difference between those two examples you're using..

but of course you competely ignore that

bran almost lost the finals while the other team begged him to shoot wide open jumpers..

Kobe saw 2x the amount of defensive attention, put up 38/5/4 on 48% in game 5 and still lost by 6

Lebron put up 17/7/8 n 41% on game 2 and still won by 20+


Kobe through 5 games 2010 nba finals 30/6/4 with 2 steals on 54% TS

Lebron didn't get anywhere near that type of scoring production through the first 5 games
Dude we can play this what if game with anyone and anything. RRR3's point is perfectly valid.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He was huge when it mattered bro.

i'm not denying that he had a great OT in game 6 and a great game 7

but those games "that mattered" would have never seen the light of day if not for his teammates picking him up in game 2 and Wade going off in game 4 but the way you guys talk he did this by himself, and lets not forget the whole Ray Allen miracle shot..

because if Chalmers, Miller & Ray don't go off in game 2, the series is over in 5.. bran didn't play well in games 1,2,3, & 5

4,6,7 he played well, ( great in 7 and great in OT of 6) but again, he didn't put them in a position to win the series through games 1-5 and could have easily lost in games 5 & 6

[RRR3]

good I hope to never see you celebrating just making it to the finals ever again then..

and huge difference between those two examples you're using..

but of course you competely ignore that

bran almost lost the finals while the other team begged him to shoot wide open jumpers..

Kobe saw 2x the amount of defensive attention, put up 38/5/4 on 48% in game 5 and still lost by 6

Lebron put up 17/7/8 n 41% on game 2 and still won by 20+


Kobe through 5 games 2010 nba finals 30/6/4 with 2 steals on 54% TS

Lebron didn't get anywhere near that type of scoring production through the first 5 games
Not sure how my post warranted another one of your countless meltdowns. My guess is you were just waiting for an excuse to post this.


Kobe is the greatest player ever and LeBron is satan himself. And he is bald. And Kobe has a bigger *****.
Happy?

[red1]

i'm not denying that he had a great OT in game 6 and a great game 7

but those games "that mattered" would have never seen the light of day if not for his teammates picking him up in game 2 and Wade going off in game 4 but the way you guys talk he did this by himself, and lets not forget the whole Ray Allen miracle shot..

because if Chalmers, Miller & Ray don't go off in game 2, the series is over in 5.. bran didn't play well in games 1,2,3, & 5

4,6,7 he played well, ( great in 7 and great in OT of 6) but again, he didn't put them in a position to win the series through games 1-5 and could have easily lost in games 5 & 6
See this is how I know that you are just a hater. Why can't you just acknowledge that it was a good series? Why do you always have to focus on the perceived negative? I have never seen you post anything positive about bron while I constantly acknowledge that kobe is easily a top 10 GOAT. It makes discussion with you pointless.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Dude we can play this what if game with anyone and anything. RRR3's point is perfectly valid.

i'm not playing the what if game

its a fact that if if his team (who you guys constantly shit on) didn't step up in game 2 the series is over in 5

that's pretty close to a repeat of 2011, and that was my original calim that yall got upset about..and even during the first few games of the finals comparisons to 2011 were being made.. so its not like i'm the only person who saw this..

it stands true.. no reason to get super sensitive about point out the similarities between the two series..

[Jameerthefear]

I love how every Kobe Bron argument comes back to the 2011 Choke series and the 'shook' game where he had 8 pts.

It's that one thing that will keep haunting him for the rest of his life and keep him off that Kobe MJ Magic Bird level

Sad story
what
kobe is not on the level of lebron
f*ck off

[TheMarkMadsen]

See this is how I know that you are just a hater. Why can't you just acknowledge that it was a good series? Why do you always have to focus on the perceived negative? I have never seen you post anything positive about bron while I constantly acknowledge that kobe is easily a top 10 GOAT. It makes discussion with you pointless.

are you seriously fuccing blind and illiterate?

I just said he played great in multiple games, sorry i'm not going to sit here and say he played great in games 1,2,3 and 5 when he didn't..

there's no percieved negative, I seriously just pointed out how the 2013 series had similarities to the 2011 series minus the last 5 quarters..

you guys are so damn sensitive



I constantly acknowledge that kobe is easily a top 10 GOAT.

dude gtfo, you're in every thread saying "kobe rapist" you constantly troll Kobe on this board..

yall are seriously afraid to talk ball and just want to hide behind numbers, no wonder 3ball has got every single bran stan on here shook

[TheMarkMadsen]

I have never seen you post anything positive about bron.

literally from my post that you "responded to"



i'm not denying that he had a great OT in game 6 and a great game 7

:facepalm :facepalm

[Hey Yo]

Keep telling yourself that. Wade took more shots per game against the Celtics
In the 2011 playoffs?

LeBron took the most FGA and played the most minutes for Miami.

[RRR3]

Not sure how my post warranted another one of your countless meltdowns. My guess is you were just waiting for an excuse to post this.


Kobe is the greatest player ever and LeBron is satan himself. And he is bald. And Kobe has a bigger *****.
Happy?
chill out brah

[red1]

literally from my post that you "responded to"




:facepalm :facepalm
That was just a qualifier for you to discredit his series. That doesn't mean anything.


i'm not playing the what if game

its a fact that if if his team (who you guys constantly shit on) didn't step up in game 2 the series is over in 5

that's pretty close to a repeat of 2011, and that was my original calim that yall got upset about..and even during the first few games of the finals comparisons to 2011 were being made.. so its not like i'm the only person who saw this..

it stands true.. no reason to get super sensitive about point out the similarities between the two series..
It is also a fact that kobe has the most missed shots in NBA history to his name and that he almost shot his team out of game 7 in 2010 by shooting 25% in the most critical game of the series. Without some timely shots and free-throws courtesy of his team they would have lost the series. Why don't we focus on that what-if instead?

The fact of the matter is that it was a good series and focusing on what-ifs is pointless.

[TheMarkMadsen]

chill out brah

log off your RR3 account and log onto your other account brah