Can Jimmy Butler take yet another big leap?

[poido123]

Thoughts?


Hardest worker off the court. Made a significant leap by blocking out television, eating clean and training every day over the offseason.


If he does the same again and works on key areas of his game, does anyone think he can further morph into a superstar?



Or what he was last year close to a finished product...

[#number6ix#]

Nope... Fvck the bulls

[Hittin_Shots]

Nope... Fvck the bulls

Valid points made here.

[poido123]

Lol.

I ask for thoughts and you give me feelings :oldlol:

[masonanddixon]

I thought once teams started gameplanning for him it was all over. His ceiling is a 3rd option on a championship team which is pretty good. I'd say at his best he's on par or slightly worse than Chandler Parsons type of guy.

[Uncle Drew]

OP is a fggt.

[buddha]

he already is a superstar in my opinion. if he didn't play on the bulls slow pace offense he would have put up better numbers than PG13 did the year before who was considered a superstar.

[Jameerthefear]

I thought once teams started gameplanning for him it was all over. His ceiling is a 3rd option on a championship team which is pretty good. I'd say at his best he's on par or slightly worse than Chandler Parsons type of guy.
what

what
plz stop saying dumb things on the web
it's not funny

[masonanddixon]

he already is a superstar in my opinion. if he didn't play on the bulls slow pace offense he would have put up better numbers than PG13 did the year before who was considered a superstar.

He's definitely not a superstar. Once teams decided to guard him in February his stats went down significantly. He can't create his own shot and his jump shot isn't reliable.

[poido123]

what

what
plz stop saying dumb things on the web
it's not funny


This.


The at best Parsons comparison is just....:facepalm


did you even watch Chandler Parsons last year?

[poido123]

OP is a fggt.


And Uncle Drew is a....injury prone cripple.



Did I do it right? In line with the Rose is a mentally retarded cripple, yadah yadah yadah

[masonanddixon]

This.


The at best Parsons comparison is just....:facepalm


did you even watch Chandler Parsons last year?

Yes I did, I am a Mavs fan. Parsons was very solid last season. He is what he is--a very good defensive small forward who can't create his own shot, finishes very well on the break, and can space the floor. Thats Butler's ceiling. If you can't see that, you don't understand basketball.

[poido123]

he already is a superstar in my opinion. if he didn't play on the bulls slow pace offense he would have put up better numbers than PG13 did the year before who was considered a superstar.



We have a sensible response.


I knew you could do it ISH :rockon:


The slow paced point is interesting. Hoiberg is known for his faster paced offense and just better offense overall(not hard when you're replacing pick and roll offense Thibs), I wonder how much this will help improve/inflate Butler's game.

[Jameerthefear]

butler last year was twice the player parsons has ever been. and i LIKE parsons.

[masonanddixon]

butler last year was twice the player parsons has ever been. and i LIKE parsons.

No he was good for the first half of the year when nobody cared about him, then he came back to earth once teams focused on him, and did nothing in the postseason.

Thats what people like you who don't understand basketball are unable to grasp. There's always SOMEONE who has to score on a team. The distinction is being able to fill it up on a high percentage while making others around you better when other teams are focusing on you. Butler isn't capable of that. He's a third option. Nothing wrong with that. But calling him a 'superstar' is laughable. There's only about 3-7 legitimate superstars in the NBA.

[poido123]

Yes I did, I am a Mavs fan. Parsons was very solid last season. He is what he is--a very good defensive small forward who can't create his own shot, finishes very well on the break, and can space the floor. Thats Butler's ceiling. If you can't see that, you don't understand basketball.


He's shown he has a post game too. Something that developed over the offseason...


If Jimmy is able to add this to his game, there's nothing to prove he is a finished product right?

If all he is what you say, wouldn't you be implying that he has zero ability to add to his offensive game?

[Cocaine80s]

butler last year was twice the player parsons has ever been. and i LIKE parsons.
This, dude was the best player on the BuLLs last year


Butler>Parsons>Rose

[masonanddixon]

He's shown he has a post game too. Something that developed over the offseason...


If Jimmy is able to add this to his game, there's nothing to prove he is a finished product right?

If all he is what you say, wouldn't you be implying that he has zero ability to add to his offensive game?

Well to be a franchise player you need to be able to create your own shot. He doesn't have that ability. To be a second option you need to be a reliable shooter. He can maybe do that. The problem with his working on his offensive game is that he will suffer defensively (which we saw in the postseason) if he changes that mindset. He actually reminds me of Josh Howard in that regard. Most guys are largely finished products by the time they hit the NBA or are a few years into the league. There's only a handful of guys who can continue to effectively implement new dimensions to their game.

[Jameerthefear]

No he was good for the first half of the year when nobody cared about him, then he came back to earth once teams focused on him, and did nothing in the postseason.

Thats what people like you who don't understand basketball are unable to grasp. There's always SOMEONE who has to score on a team. The distinction is being able to fill it up on a high percentage while making others around you better when other teams are focusing on you. Butler isn't capable of that. He's a third option. Nothing wrong with that. But calling him a 'superstar' is laughable. There's only about 3-7 legitimate superstars in the NBA.
no one here is calling him a superstar.
literally no one thinks that. you are very dumb

[Jameerthefear]

Well to be a franchise player you need to be able to create your own shot. He doesn't have that ability. To be a second option you need to be a reliable shooter. He can maybe do that. The problem with his working on his offensive game is that he will suffer defensively (which we saw in the postseason) if he changes that mindset. He actually reminds me of Josh Howard in that regard. Most guys are largely finished products by the time they hit the NBA or are a few years into the league. There's only a handful of guys who can continue to effectively implement new dimensions to their game.
plz stop posting dumb things!!!!!!!

[Jameerthefear]

"look at his stats post-allstar"
looking at them. i don't see much of a drop. He was partially hurt the second half too.

[nathanjizzle]

jimmy hit his peak last year. The guy doesnt have much natural talent, his game is based on his conditioning, strength and a basic skill set. hes not going to workout as hard every summer trying to get a max contract, nor is he going to be 25 years old and athletic.

[poido123]

jimmy hit his peak last year. The guy doesnt have much natural talent, his game is based on his conditioning, strength and a basic skill set. hes not going to workout as hard every summer trying to get a max contract, nor is he going to be 25 years old and athletic.


He added a post game last summer?


Where's the evidence to suggest that he can't make other changes?

[HylianNightmare]

Yes, I could see him coming out as a bonafide star next year and allowing rose to be the 1b, that's the only way the bulls have a chance at coming out the east

[TheMan]

He added a post game last summer?


Where's the evidence to suggest that he can't make other changes?
Nathan is just the biggest Rose dikkrider , just insecure that JBuckets is the Bulls best all around player is all :lol

To answer OP, yeah, JBuckets can improve, he can become a better shooter, he practiced on his jumper and has improved every year, he can most definitely improve on his j. I can also see him become an even better post up player, hopefully he developes a go to move.

I can see him becoming a 25 ppg on 46% with elite defense SG.

[PP34Deuce]

Jimmy Butler is a prime Shawn Marion level type player...

Not a superstar but def all star that can mask deficiencies on a team. He can give you 20ppg 6 and 4 with great defense and tangibles.

[J Shuttlesworth]

He's still a really solid player, but I can't see him making another big leap. Thibs' minutes might come back to bite him in the ass. He's already the best player on his team. I can't see him making any big jumps playing alongside a ball dominant guy like Rose.

[97 bulls]

Bulls fans are incredible. Why do we alwaysl go out of our way to undermine players om our team? After reading some of these posts, its as if some fans are actually HOPING that Butler has a bad season.

[97 bulls]

Nathan is just the biggest Rose dikkrider , just insecure that JBuckets is the Bulls best all around player is all :lol

To answer OP, yeah, JBuckets can improve, he can become a better shooter, he practiced on his jumper and has improved every year, he can most definitely improve on his j. I can also see him become an even better post up player, hopefully he developes a go to move.

I can see him becoming a 25 ppg on 46% with elite defense SG.
If he can get uo to 25 ppg, that would be awesome

[WayOfWade]

I certainly hope he does, the east needs as much competition as it can get

[RRR3]

No he was good for the first half of the year when nobody cared about him, then he came back to earth once teams focused on him, and did nothing in the postseason.

Thats what people like you who don't understand basketball are unable to grasp. There's always SOMEONE who has to score on a team. The distinction is being able to fill it up on a high percentage while making others around you better when other teams are focusing on you. Butler isn't capable of that. He's a third option. Nothing wrong with that. But calling him a 'superstar' is laughable. There's only about 3-7 legitimate superstars in the NBA.
23/6/3 in the postseason on 44/39/82="did nothing" :roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm



Butler is eight times the player Parsons is STFU

[bdreason]

Another significant leap would put him in Michael Jordan territory.



I think if Jimmy can maintain his production from last season it would be impressive.

[RRR3]

Another significant leap would put him in Michael Jordan territory.



I think if Jimmy can maintain his production from last season it would be impressive.
:biggums:

[bdreason]

:biggums:


If he improves as much as he did in the last off-season, his production next season could look something like;

27/7/4/2 on 50/40/90% with All-NBA 1st team defense.


Not exactly MJ level, but probably MVP candidate level.

[Fallen Angel]

He's missing the handles that allow him to iso defenders. He never was a great iso player before, so it's highly unlikely he'll do so.

[Fallen Angel]

lol no @ bdreason

Nobody on the Chicago Bulls is averaging 27 points per game with the ball dominant players around them.

[TheMarkMadsen]

hopefully so

25/7/4 potentially

[Fallen Angel]

The peak of his ability is a Scottie Pippen type player. He's not a natural scorer like Michael Jordan.

[RedBlackAttack]

I was very impressed with Butler in the Cavs-Bulls series. He went toe to toe with LBJ and more than held his own. I felt like his tenacious style really set the tone for that series, which was brutally physical at times. It really did remind me of an early-to-mid 90s Knicks or Pacers type team that would just try to beat you into submission and it all started with Butler.

I've said this a bunch of times, but that Bulls team made the Cavs better and I really started to fear Jimmy Butler by the end of it.

He's one of the very best two-way players in the league. Can he get better? I hope not. Lol

[nathanjizzle]

I can see him becoming a 25 ppg on 46% with elite defense SG.

:roll: have you seen jimmy butler play? to be able to average 25 ppg as a SG, you need to have above average handles and maneuvers, both of which jimmy butler has none of. Also, 3 assists? LOL. Its a tragedy for the bulls that they gave him a max deal.

[RidonKs]

:roll: have you seen jimmy butler play? to be able to average 25 ppg as a SG, you need to have above average handles and maneuvers, both of which jimmy butler has none of.
lol butler doesn't need a handle and he uses his bulk to maneuver, ala lebron james. he's 220 pounds and strong as an ox. great off ball player who finds space and plays with excellent passers. most importantly he can score, midrange, around the hoop, right out to the three point line. he's got awesome fundamentals. unless the talent around him gets better, 25 will be usual for butler. if deng can get 21 a game, well...

[sundizz]

He could easily spend an off-season working on handles + understanding how to play through defenses better now.

With scoring though his playoff averages are a better representation than his regular season scoring average. He doesn't strike me as the type of person/player that really loves chucking up shot after shot/natural scorer ala Kobe, Durant, or Harden.

He is more the Curry mold, where he could score more, but prefers to play within a team.

That's the same reason they both scored more ppg in the playoffs than regular season - they know in the playoffs sometimes you gotta just get buckets.

He could definitely increasing his across the board averages next year. Even if he doesn't do much in the offseason, once you've scored 20 ppg it becomes significantly easier to justify to your team/coach on you chucking up shots.

[RRR3]

:roll: have you seen jimmy butler play? to be able to average 25 ppg as a SG, you need to have above average handles and maneuvers, both of which jimmy butler has none of. Also, 3 assists? LOL. Its a tragedy for the bulls that they gave him a max deal.
Saltier than the Dead Sea that Butler took the title of "alpha dog" from Rose :yaohappy:

[TheMan]

Another significant leap would put him in Michael Jordan territory.



I think if Jimmy can maintain his production from last season it would be impressive.:biggums:
Yeah, if he puts on 32/5/5 on 48% with elite defense...as much as I would love for this to happen, not gonna happen.

[TheMan]

:roll: have you seen jimmy butler play? to be able to average 25 ppg as a SG, you need to have above average handles and maneuvers, both of which jimmy butler has none of. Also, 3 assists? LOL. Its a tragedy for the bulls that they gave him a max deal.
Or he could play with a real PG who knows how to get him and his teammates easy points and not a shittier version of Allen Iverson :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Or he could play with a real PG who knows how to get him and his teammates easy points and not a shittier version of Allen Iverson :confusedshrug:
:eek:


Damn.

[Pointguard]

Thoughts?

Hardest worker off the court. Made a significant leap by blocking out television, eating clean and training every day over the offseason.

If he does the same again and works on key areas of his game, does anyone think he can further morph into a superstar?

Or what he was last year close to a finished product...
His offensive development isn't likely to happen much this year. The team could have a more offensive repertoire if A. Brooks, McDermott, Mirotic and Snell develop along with Taj with one possibly finishing games off with the starting unit. With a coach that will invest time offensively molding these guys around Rose.

A player can always improve their shooting and leadership. Butler wasn't ready to take over the team when Rose got winded every other game and Gasol wasn't playing, so he can improve there. Handles could be better. Thibes didn't do post ups outside Gas, so with Butlers strength he could go to the post. New coach is going to mean a lot of Mirotic and Butler. Who would bring up their third and fourth players considerably. So I don't see him making a bit leap this year but it is possible as Thibes was limited offensively.

[Pointguard]

Or he could play with a real PG who knows how to get him and his teammates easy points and not a shittier version of Allen Iverson :confusedshrug:

Learn the game some. Or get your self together. You are comparing two MVP on each other while trying to be negative.

[RidonKs]

Thibes didn't do post ups outside Gas, so with Butlers strength he could go to the post. New coach is going to mean a lot of Mirotic and Butler. Who would bring up their third and fourth players considerably. So I don't see him making a bit leap this year but it is possible as Thibes was limited offensively.
he is already very good in the post, he showed it this year. nice baby hook too. but most of the time he was creating himself late in the clock, because thibbs didn't run plays for him very often. certainly never put him on the block with the ball.

the coaching change is going to rejuvinate chicago. thibbs will leave behind all the fundamentals and work ethic he taught with a core who will pass it onto the youngsters under new leadership. gonna be a great year for the bulls.

unless....

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[buddha]

No he was good for the first half of the year when nobody cared about him, then he came back to earth once teams focused on him, and did nothing in the postseason.

Thats what people like you who don't understand basketball are unable to grasp. There's always SOMEONE who has to score on a team. The distinction is being able to fill it up on a high percentage while making others around you better when other teams are focusing on you. Butler isn't capable of that. He's a third option. Nothing wrong with that. But calling him a 'superstar' is laughable. There's only about 3-7 legitimate superstars in the NBA.


are you ****ing retarderd? he was good the entire year. his ppg only dropped by 1 point.

he was the bulls best player in the playoffs and if he didn't defer to Derrick Rose the bulls would have beat the Bucks in 4 games. game 4 Butler was destroying them in a close game, lead the comeback if I remember and he let Rose jack mid range shots the last couple possessions which lead to the Bucks winning.

the cleveland series Jimmy Butler did a great job defending LeBron literally every minute he was on the court and spent way too much energy on that side of the ball.

in conclusion, you are a ****ing retard.

[poido123]

Saltier than the Dead Sea that Butler took the title of "alpha dog" from Rose :yaohappy:


:lol

[poido123]

he is already very good in the post, he showed it this year. nice baby hook too. but most of the time he was creating himself late in the clock, because thibbs didn't run plays for him very often. certainly never put him on the block with the ball.

the coaching change is going to rejuvinate chicago. thibbs will leave behind all the fundamentals and work ethic he taught with a core who will pass it onto the youngsters under new leadership. gonna be a great year for the bulls.

unless....

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I think bulls running a proper offense will make guys like mirotic and butler thrive.

I'm really excited about this year. I'm not exactly sure where the team is at, but I suspect the newfound creativity on offense along with better player management can only mean good things.


I've criticised thibs, particularly in the last two years. Finally we will see why I thought he was handicapping this teams potential.


Gone are the days of bulls sleep inducing offense.

[Fallen Angel]

Jimmy Butler probably led the league in lob dunks within the halfcourt for a non PF/C last season. He's really dangerous off the ball, he becomes a knockdown shooter then you're looking at a lethal weapon for passing big men like Pau Gasol, Joakim Noah, and a slashing PG like Derrick Rose.

[G-train]

Define another big leap?
I don't think it will show in the basic numbers. Will see a drop in playing time that's for sure.
I think just a continual refining of his shooting and defence will lead to more Bulls wins.

[nba_55]

Usually, hardworking players (Kobe, T-Mac...) keeps on improving after their breakout year. So, there are good chances he will keep on improving.

[TheMan]

Learn the game some. Or get your self together. You are comparing two MVP on each other while trying to be negative.
I admit I used hyperbole in my post but only to troll Nathanjizzle who is a known Rose stan. I like DRose as a Bulls fan, just not a Rose stan. My comparison of Rose to AI was based on the fact that I wish DRose played more of a playmaker role, especially now that he has legit offensive weapons, instead of being a volume scorer. I think the Bulls would be more successful.

[nathanjizzle]

I admit I used hyperbole in my post but only to troll Nathanjizzle who is a known Rose stan. I like DRose as a Bulls fan, just not a Rose stan. My comparison of Rose to AI was based on the fact that I wish DRose played more of a playmaker role, especially now that he has legit offensive weapons, instead of being a volume scorer. I think the Bulls would be more successful.

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