Besides Kobe, who has had back-to-back 45/10 games in the playoffs?

[Heavincent]

Honest question. Wilt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawbo3NOmR4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7QZaZJu2yM

[RRR3]

No one in the modern era.

[Mr Feeny]

Besides Kobe, who else visits motels inColorado and forces himself onto our sweet, innocent CO girls? :lol

[kennethgriffin]

2001 real* finals mvp = kobe bryant


( the finals wasnt a philly matchup... shaq coasted to an easy traphy against bums )

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

2001 real* finals mvp = kobe bryant


( the finals wasnt a philly matchup... shaq coasted to an easy traphy against bums )

WCF:
Kobe faced Antonio Daniels and Avery Johnson
Shaq faced Tim Duncan and David Robinson

Finals:
Kobe faced Eric Snow and (?)
Shaq faced Mutombo aka the DPOY

Shaq's competition was better, by far.

[kennethgriffin]

WCF:
Kobe faced Antonio Daniels and Avery Johnson
Shaq faced Tim Duncan and David Robinson

Finals:
Kobe faced Eric Snow and (?)
Shaq faced Mutombo aka the DPOY

Shaq's competition was better, by far.




youre pretty dumb eh?


shaq and duncan barely ever defended each other. duncan and shaq would have both fouled out



and if stats dont count cause of who defended you. then kobes the 2002 finals mvp. shaq vs todd ... kobe vs kidd/jefferson




fact* kobe outperformed shaq in the most important series. and overall in the first 3 rounds

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

youre pretty dumb eh?


shaq and duncan barely ever defended each other. duncan and shaq would have both fouled out



and if stats dont count cause of who defended you. then kobes the 2002 finals mvp. shaq vs todd ... kobe vs kidd/jefferson




fact* kobe outperformed shaq in the most important series. and overall in the first 3 rounds

Duncan took turns defending Shaq because of Robinson's ailments, hence the limited minutes.

Might want to re-watch that series again, bud.

BTW, I'm not saying Kobe's stats don't count. I'm saying Shaq faced better competition, and its not particularly close.

[Heavincent]

It is funny how nobody ever gives Shaq shit for having a teammate who averaged 30/7/6 in the playoffs, yet Kobe's teams in 09 and 10 were apparently so stacked he shouldn't get any credit :rolleyes:

Double standards.

[kennethgriffin]

Duncan took turns defending Shaq because of Robinson's ailments, hence the limited minutes.

Might want to re-watch that series again, bud.

BTW, I'm not saying Kobe's stats don't count. I'm saying Shaq faced better competition, and its not particularly close.


so because duncans elite defense half the time held shaq to 6 less ppg than kobe... that means he had the better series?


damn.. kobes 2004 series looks that much better now. shaq outperformed kobe. that must mean kobe had the better series due to facing tougher D


:oldlol:

this f&cking idiot

[Levity]

It is funny how nobody ever gives Shaq shit for having a teammate who averaged 30/7/6 in the playoffs, yet Kobe's teams in 09 and 10 were apparently so stacked he shouldn't get any credit :rolleyes:

Double standards.


"shaq was the MDE, so teams would double him, making the game easy for Kobe, thus his numbers werent impressive"

Thats your typical ish logic, but in reality, no one ever doubled off Kobe. and he still saw his fair share of doubles, as well. and during the lakers 2 peat year, teams would double or triple kobe, often times leaving odom or pau.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

so because duncans elite defense half the time held shaq to 6 less ppg than kobe... that means he had the better series?


damn.. kobes 2004 series looks that much better now. shaq outperformed kobe. that must mean kobe had the better series due to facing tougher D


:oldlol:

this f&cking idiot

I'm saying he faced better competition. Nothing more. Nothing less.

You don't actually dispute that, do you? :confusedshrug:

[Heavincent]

"shaq was the MDE, so teams would double him, making the game easy for Kobe, thus his numbers werent impressive"

Thats your typical ish logic, but in reality, no one ever doubled off Kobe. and he still saw his fair share of doubles, as well. and during the lakers 2 peat year, teams would double or triple kobe, often times leaving odom or pau.

That's a telltale sign of someone who doesn't understand basketball.

[kennethgriffin]

"shaq was the MDE, so teams would double him, making the game easy for Kobe, thus his numbers werent impressive"

Thats your typical ish logic, but in reality, no one ever doubled off Kobe. and he still saw his fair share of doubles, as well. and during the lakers 2 peat year, teams would double or triple kobe, often times leaving odom or pau.

illegal defense was still a part of basketball back then. if a guy didnt have the ball. you couldnt double him. shaq would just pass out and repost every time a 2nd defender would come near him.

it was man to man 90% of the time back then. allot of iso's and clear outs with 1 post feeder and everyone on the opposite end or at the top of the key.

this is why you couldnt trap bigs back then and stuff the paint like you can now


different game. if shaq did what he did back then in todays nba with the new rules. i'd be more impressed


so dont act like shaq was splitting doubles all the time.

[ShawkFactory]

so because duncans elite defense half the time held shaq to 6 less ppg than kobe... that means he had the better series?


damn.. kobes 2004 series looks that much better now. shaq outperformed kobe. that must mean kobe had the better series due to facing tougher D


:oldlol:

this f&cking idiot
He didn't say Shaq outperformed Kobe bruh. Comprehension is everything.

[GreggPopazit]

illegal defense was still a part of basketball back then. if a guy didnt have the ball. you couldnt double him.



Correction, you couldn't double team somebody without the ball from the weak side.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He didn't say Shaq outperformed Kobe bruh. Comprehension is everything.

Pretty much. I just don't get how these people (the majority are Kobe fans) shit on Shaq's competition - Mutombo was DPOY the year in comparison - yet Kobe gets praised for facing levels worse the series before.

Great series, but Antonio Daniels and Avery Johnson? C'mon bruh. :coleman:

[And1AllDay]

It is funny how nobody ever gives Shaq shit for having a teammate who averaged 30/7/6 in the playoffs, yet Kobe's teams in 09 and 10 were apparently so stacked he shouldn't get any credit :rolleyes:

Double standards.

Mostly just agenda driven idiots. EVERY single player that won it all had a ton of help. Otherwise, they wouldn't have won it all lol Fact

[tpols]

Pretty much. I just don't get how these people (the majority are Kobe fans) shit on Shaq's competition - Mutombo was DPOY the year in comparison - yet Kobe gets praised for facing levels worse the series before.

Great series, but Antonio Daniels and Avery Johnson? C'mon bruh. :coleman:

I mean.. kobe was mashing on Duncan and drob in that game. Two of the greatest help defenders of all time.. their specialty actually, guarding the rim.

Not like he was iso ing on an island with little Antonio taking advantage of a poor match-up over and over.. was taking it right at the big men you're propping.

[TheMarkMadsen]

nobody has

[TheMarkMadsen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQmbW7xicTs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCG0JIorzGI

[TheMarkMadsen]

Pretty much. I just don't get how these people (the majority are Kobe fans) shit on Shaq's competition - Mutombo was DPOY the year in comparison - yet Kobe gets praised for facing levels worse the series before.

Great series, but Antonio Daniels and Avery Johnson? C'mon bruh. :coleman:


you've yet to name the guy who actually guarded him

:oldlol: :oldlol:

and are you really trying to discredit Kobe's defenders.. I guess not everybody can go up against the juggernauts of danny ainge, john starks and dan marjerle

[AnaheimLakers24]

No one. Thats why kobe isnt 2/6

[ShawkFactory]

No one. Thats why kobe isnt 2/6
But everyone else is?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

you've yet to name the guy who actually guarded him

:oldlol: :oldlol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0HtbJFEzJM

Antonio Daniels and Sean Elliot (the year he retired) in stretches. :confusedshrug: Meanwhile, Shaq went up against Duncan and Robinson, and in the next series Mutombo.

All 3 were leaps and bounds better than the defenders Kobe faced.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I mean.. kobe was mashing on Duncan and drob in that game. Two of the greatest help defenders of all time.. their specialty actually, guarding the rim.

Not like he was iso ing on an island with little Antonio taking advantage of a poor match-up over and over.. was taking it right at the big men you're propping.

They're 2 of the greatest defensive players at their position, and were primarily focused on Shaq.

They don't need propping.

[TheMarkMadsen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0HtbJFEzJM

Antonio Daniels and Sean Elliot (the year he retired) in stretches. :confusedshrug: Meanwhile, Shaq went up against Duncan and Robinson, and in the next series Mutombo.

All 3 were leaps and bounds better than the defenders Kobe faced.

dude did you even watch the video you posted :oldlol: :oldlol:

Kobe drops 17 in the first half with Elliot on him every single time, there are two shots from that video where Daniel is guarding him..

yet here you were 10 minutes ago claiming it was all daniels and avery (wtf) and didn't even mention Elliot..

show's that you were just talking out of your ass...

and again did you even watch the video you posted.. majority of Kobe's points come from the paint.. to the point where the commentary team even says something along the lines of

"doesn't he know what is down there waiting for him"

they were dumbfounded that Kobe kept attacking Duncan & Robinson with amazing success

you really should have refreshed yourself on that game before you came in this thread claiming that one of Kobe's main defenders was a guy who in reality didn't guard him at all..

[kennethgriffin]

They're 2 of the greatest defensive players at their position, and were primarily focused on Shaq.

They don't need propping.


its easier for a defense to construct a defense to slow down a big man than it is to stop a do it all wing


a big can only score from 1 spot on the floor

a wing like kobe from the early 2000's can score from every single spot on the floor



so when a combo like shaq/kobe faced tougher defensive teams like sanantonio. theres a reason kobe dominated those series... and shaq went off in the easier series


its because shaq got his when the other team allowed him to. kobe got his during the toughest teams because nobody can slow down kobe bryant


thus.... kobe > shaq

[Thorn]

Ehhh...once we start discounting all-time series because of the individual defenders at the position, it becomes really easy to just start throwing everything out. Lebron's 38/8/8 vs the 09 Magic? **** him, he was facing Hedo and Rashard at the forward spots, awful defenders. Duncan's 28/12 vs LA in 03? :oldlol: he was facing Samaki Walker and Horry at PF.

You see? You can do that with like 100 awesome series and it's just a slippery slope.

even though I'm pretty sure kuniva's just trolling the Kobe stans, he's not normally like that

[ShawkFactory]

its easier for a defense to construct a defense to slow down a big man than it is to stop a do it all wing


a big can only score from 1 spot on the floor

a wing like kobe from the early 2000's can score from every single spot on the floor



so when a combo like shaq/kobe faced tougher defensive teams like sanantonio. theres a reason kobe dominated those series... and shaq went off in the easier series


its because shaq got his when the other team allowed him to. kobe got his during the toughest teams because nobody can slow down kobe bryant


thus.... kobe > shaq
What is this...I don't even...

:facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

dude did you even watch the video you posted :oldlol: :oldlol:

Kobe drops 17 in the first half with Elliot on him every single time, there are two shots from that video where Daniel is guarding him..

Did I not say both defended Kobe? How that takes away from them being worse defenders than ones Shaq went up against, not sure. :confusedshrug:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawbo3NOmR4

Again, most of these shots are with Elliot and/or Daniels defending him. Ferry to help. There were 3, maybe 4 baskets (help from Duncan late) in this video where he finished over Duncan and Robinson. Literally.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

its easier for a defense to construct a defense to slow down a big man than it is to stop a do it all wing


a big can only score from 1 spot on the floor

a wing like kobe from the early 2000's can score from every single spot on the floor



so when a combo like shaq/kobe faced tougher defensive teams like sanantonio. theres a reason kobe dominated those series... and shaq went off in the easier series


its because shaq got his when the other team allowed him to. kobe got his during the toughest teams because nobody can slow down kobe bryant


thus.... kobe > shaq

Shaq drawing double and triple teams just makes it seem like that.

Don't be naive.