View Full Version : Will Blatt be Lebrons HOF coach?
Spaulding
08-03-2015, 07:36 PM
Majority of great players had a HoF coach, will Blatt be Lebrons first?
GoSpursGo1984
08-03-2015, 07:46 PM
Maybe but Blatt would probably have to prove that he can win in the NBA without Lebron before he would make it.
kennethgriffin
08-03-2015, 07:49 PM
spo will be a coach of atleast 1 more title team before he's finished. dudes pretty young and riley believes in him. plus he has 2 titles already and coaches a prestigious franchise
so lebron will end up with 2 or more HOF coaches
Lebron23
08-03-2015, 07:52 PM
Spoloestra is a future hall of famer because he won 2 NBA titles, and he's 1/2 asian.
Erik Spoelstra will end his career with at least 2 titles and will probably coach for another 20 years given his age. He will most likely end up as a HOFer even if you think he doesn't deserve it.
Either way, Lebron isn't really capable of playing under a Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, or Greg Popovich. He's clearly shown he can't play under a disciplined offense where not one player dominates the ball too much nor does he want to play on a team where the coach has as much power and influence as those guys did and those coaches don't want to coach a team where one player has as much power as Lebron wants. So the point is irrelevant.
Uncle Drew
08-03-2015, 08:07 PM
People tend to forget that Blatt already has a lot of accolades from his time in Europe. And since it's the Naismith Basketball HOF and not the NBA HOF, I'd say he has a decent chance.
K Xerxes
08-03-2015, 08:46 PM
Either way, Lebron isn't really capable of playing under a Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, or Greg Popovich. He's clearly shown he can't play under a disciplined offense where not one player dominates the ball too much nor does he want to play on a team where the coach has as much power and influence as those guys did and those coaches don't want to coach a team where one player has as much power as Lebron wants. So the point is irrelevant.
He's never played under a coach that has demanded as much respect as those three. So we really don't know. If he developed under one of those coaches, he'd almost certainly be a different player.
Euroleague
08-03-2015, 08:47 PM
People tend to forget that Blatt already has a lot of accolades from his time in Europe. And since it's the Naismith Basketball HOF and not the NBA HOF, I'd say he has a decent chance.
So now ONE Euroleague championship in 22 years of coaching is "a lot of accolades" and that plus a gold at EuroBasket and a bronze at the Olympics is hall of fame worthy for work in international basketball?
If that is the case, then probably 50 coaches in Europe alone should get in right now ahead of Blatt.
You need to learn the difference between bullshit hype marketing for the NBA that NBA game announcers tell you, and from actual reality.
PejaTheSerbSnip
08-03-2015, 10:05 PM
So now ONE Euroleague championship in 22 years of coaching is "a lot of accolades" and that plus a gold at EuroBasket and a bronze at the Olympics is hall of fame worthy for work in international basketball?
If that is the case, then probably 50 coaches in Europe alone should get in right now ahead of Blatt.
You need to learn the difference between bullshit hype marketing for the NBA that NBA game announcers tell you, and from actual reality.
He just said he has a decent chance -- probably dependent on how he does in his tenure with the NBA. With an NBA championship and a decade-long career here, TO GO ALONG WITH the work he's donr overseas, the chances are pretty good.
So calm down, psycho.
Asukal
08-03-2015, 10:19 PM
He's never played under a coach that has demanded as much respect as those three. So we really don't know. If he developed under one of those coaches, he'd almost certainly be a different player.
No he will not. Lebron is a prima donna.
JT123
08-03-2015, 11:20 PM
spo will be a coach of atleast 1 more title team before he's finished. dudes pretty young and riley believes in him. plus he has 2 titles already and coaches a prestigious franchise
so lebron will end up with 2 or more HOF coaches
:oldlol: Is this a joke? Spo has NEVER even won a playoff series without Lebron. Last season couldn't even make the playoffs in an all time weak conference. Spo has no shot at the HOF whatsoever! It's a damn miracle that Lebron was able to get two rings being coached by that bum.
He's never played under a coach that has demanded as much respect as those three. So we really don't know. If he developed under one of those coaches, he'd almost certainly be a different player.
Lebron is all about having power, moreso then maybe any NBA player in history. That's a huge reason he went back to Cleveland. As egotistical as Jordan and Kobe are, they at least weren't always looking for a situation where they had that level of power. Its not a coincidence that the one coach that Lebron didn't just totally walk over was Spoelstra since his job status wasn't determined by Lebron's preference and he had Riley's backing. And its not a coincidence that Lebron wanted out of the situation the first chance he got. And that was with Riley from a distance, not Riley as a coach.
Its one thing to not play for coaches that demand respect. Its another thing to go ahead and actually disrespect them. He clearly doesn't want to play for a coach that would actually demand respect, which is why he had no problem going back to Cleveland even though they just hired a first year coach. Its already been reported that he likes Blatt as coach since he can basically kick him around without any consequence.
He would NOT want to play under Phil, Pop, or Riley. He played a less ball-dominant style under Spoelstra, but still a more ball-dominant style then any offense under Phil or Pop, yet he didn't want to play that style anymore. What does that tell you? He wouldn't want to play in a system that emphasizes ball movement and no ball dominance. And like I said, he wants power but not only over coaching, but over OWNERSHIP. Those three would not coach under those circumstances.
This is why the Lebron not having a HOF coach argument is weak. All signs point to him not wanting to be in a situation that makes sense for a HOF coach.
:oldlol: Is this a joke? Spo has NEVER even won a playoff series without Lebron. Last season couldn't even make the playoffs in an all time weak conference. Spo has no shot at the HOF whatsoever! It's a damn miracle that Lebron was able to get two rings being coached by that bum.
Are you kidding? The guy has coached 3 seasons without Lebron. ISH logic at its finest. If a guy doesn't do something in x amount of years, he could never and will never do it under any other possible scenario :oldlol:
JT123
08-04-2015, 12:50 AM
Are you kidding? The guy has coached 3 seasons without Lebron. ISH logic at its finest. If a guy doesn't do something in x amount of years, he could never and will never do it under any other possible scenario :oldlol:
Spo coaches in the east you fool. Any coach who can't make the playoffs with Wade, Deng, Dragic, and Whiteside in THAT conference is a bum, period. Brad Stevens made the playoffs with D leaguers for crying out loud, so I don't want to hear any excuses about injuries to Bosh and other role players.
Spo coaches in the east you fool. Any coach who can't make the playoffs with Wade, Deng, Dragic, and Whiteside in THAT conference is a bum, period. Brad Stevens made the playoffs with D leaguers for crying out loud, so I don't want to hear any excuses about injuries to Bosh and other role players.
All 5 of those guys missed a significant amount of games for the Heat. They had inconsistent lineups all year. It doesn't matter how talented they are. Consistency and time to mesh matters. So it's not really shocking that they didn't make the playoffs. Anyway, it's not like Spo didn't coach worse teams into the playoffs. If you really think Spo is never getting another team to the playoffs and past the 1st round, you're a moron.
Again, ISH logic at its finest :oldlol:
JT123
08-04-2015, 04:53 PM
All 5 of those guys missed a significant amount of games for the Heat. They had inconsistent lineups all year. It doesn't matter how talented they are. Consistency and time to mesh matters. So it's not really shocking that they didn't make the playoffs. Anyway, it's not like Spo didn't coach worse teams into the playoffs. If you really think Spo is never getting another team to the playoffs and past the 1st round, you're a moron.
Again, ISH logic at its finest :oldlol:
Nice job glossing over the fact that Brad Stevens made the playoffs with a much weaker roster that had even less consistency than the Heat. :oldlol:
You can try to spin it anyway you want, but if not for Lebron's legendary game 6 against Boston Spo would likely be coaching a high school team right now. :sleeping
Nice job glossing over the fact that Brad Stevens made the playoffs with a much weaker roster that had even less consistency than the Heat. :oldlol:
You can try to spin it anyway you want, but if not for Lebron's legendary game 6 against Boston Spo would likely be coaching a high school team right now. :sleeping
So Brad Stevens did a better coaching job then Spo then last year? Cool. What does that have to do with your stupid idea that Spo will never make it out of the first round in his career without Lebron?
JT123
08-04-2015, 05:21 PM
So Brad Stevens did a better coaching job then Spo then last year? Cool. What does that have to do with your stupid idea that Spo will never make it out of the first round in his career without Lebron?
I never said he wouldn't, although if he doesn't I won't be surprised at all. Despite their off season upgrades the Heat are still a very old and injury prone team.
My only point was to slow down on calling him a future Hall of Fame coach until he proves he can go deep in the playoffs without Lebron. I don't think that's unreasonable. :confusedshrug:
I never said he wouldn't, although if he doesn't I won't be surprised at all. Despite their off season upgrades the Heat are still a very old and injury prone team.
My only point was to slow down on calling him a future Hall of Fame coach until he proves he can go deep in the playoffs without Lebron. I don't think that's unreasonable. :confusedshrug:
Well you're overstating how hard it is to get to the HOF. He's a 4x finalist and 2x champ and is going to be around for a long time. He doesn't really need to go deep in the playoffs again to get to the HOF. Probably just only needs longevity at this point.
Bandito
08-04-2015, 05:52 PM
Spo coaches in the east you fool. Any coach who can't make the playoffs with Wade, Deng, Dragic, and Whiteside in THAT conference is a bum, period. Brad Stevens made the playoffs with D leaguers for crying out loud, so I don't want to hear any excuses about injuries to Bosh and other role players.
Lol so of you !miss most pf your starters and play with your bench players now thats an excuse.
That actually make Lebron loss in the 2015 finals look even worse amd pathetic. :lol
Euroleague
08-04-2015, 05:58 PM
He just said he has a decent chance -- probably dependent on how he does in his tenure with the NBA. With an NBA championship and a decade-long career here, TO GO ALONG WITH the work he's donr overseas, the chances are pretty good.
So calm down, psycho.
That makes no sense at all idiot. His work in Europe is NOT hall of fame level, and winning one NBA championship is NOT hall of fame level.
Stop being a freaking moron.
If he made the hall of fame simply for having coached in both Euroleague and the NBA and having won a championship in both that would be absolutely retarded.
Considering that tons of coaches have done more than him in his career and are not in the hall of fame.
You sound as stupid as an ESPN idiot talking head, or a paid NBA announcer.
How about Blatt actually earn the hall of fame? How is that for a novel concept?
Timmy D for MVP
08-05-2015, 02:40 AM
How many coaches with 2 NBA titles aren't in the Hall? Or aren't going to soon be?
I imagine Spo will have more to add to his resume too so long as Riley is around.
Unless something really crazy happens he'll be in. He's 45.
FLDFSU
08-05-2015, 12:11 PM
Are you kidding? The guy has coached 3 seasons without Lebron. ISH logic at its finest. If a guy doesn't do something in x amount of years, he could never and will never do it under any other possible scenario :oldlol:
Wait a minute.
ISH cannot have it both ways. ISH cannot sit up here and day after day lament about how horrible the East is...how the East should be eliminated because of lack of competition...how it should be a top 16 playoff format.
But then at the same time excuse people, who ISH apparently have high regard for Bosh, Wade, and Spo, from failing to to make the tournament in said "weak" conference.
Is the East historically weak or not?
Crimsonrain777
08-05-2015, 12:20 PM
Wait a minute.
ISH cannot have it both ways. ISH cannot sit up here and day after day lament about how horrible the East is...how the East should be eliminated because of lack of competition...how it should be a top 16 playoff format.
But then at the same time excuse people, who ISH apparently have high regard for Bosh, Wade, and Spo, from failing to to make the tournament in said "weak" conference.
Is the East historically weak or not?
i'm not sure about historically weak. But the East is weak and has been for a long time.I for one am in favor of a top 16 format. That's as close to a guarantee that you will get that the best teams will always make it to the playoffs
edit. and last years Heat team had alot of excuses for missing the playoffs
FLDFSU
08-05-2015, 12:41 PM
i'm not sure about historically weak. But the East is weak and has been for a long time.I for one am in favor of a top 16 format. That's as close to a guarantee that you will get that the best teams will always make it to the playoffs
edit. and last years Heat team had alot of excuses for missing the playoffs
The Heat does not have an excuse for missing the playoffs in the East.
We still had Spo and his entire championship coaching staff.
We had Wade for 62 games.
If superstar Wade/ and HOF coach Spo goes 41-20 (pretending that we lose every single game that Wade does not play) we make the playoffs. That says nothing about the availability of Deng, the emergence of Whiteside, the addition of Dragic down the stretch when he were still in the thick of the playoff race, and the availability of Bosh for 44 games last season.
You cannot call Spo a HOF coach and AT THE SAME TIME call the East weak, and then EXCUSE the HOF coach for missing the playoffs.
ISH lives in two universes. One where the East weak so we can ignore the accomplishments of one player. And the other, where it is no big deal to miss the playoffs in the East despite calling players and coaches who miss the playoffs "elite" and "HOF" quality coaches.
FLDFSU
08-05-2015, 12:46 PM
And BTW, the Miami Heat have ZERO excuses to miss the playoffs when Boston, Milwaukee, and New Jersey made the same playoffs.
And IMO, last year's Heat, given the talent, health, and experience should have been better than every single Eastern Conference team except the Bulls.
At no time, after about 10 games, were the Miami Heat even vying for a top seat in the conference. When Bosh got hurt, Miami was 9 games under .500 and in 7th place.
That is pathetic for a HOF coach.
Crimsonrain777
08-05-2015, 01:11 PM
The Heat does not have an excuse for missing the playoffs in the East.
We still had Spo and his entire championship coaching staff.
We had Wade for 62 games.
If superstar Wade/ and HOF coach Spo goes 41-20 (pretending that we lose every single game that Wade does not play) we make the playoffs. That says nothing about the availability of Deng, the emergence of Whiteside, the addition of Dragic down the stretch when he were still in the thick of the playoff race, and the availability of Bosh for 44 games last season.
You cannot call Spo a HOF coach and AT THE SAME TIME call the East weak, and then EXCUSE the HOF coach for missing the playoffs.
ISH lives in two universes. One where the East weak so we can ignore the accomplishments of one player. And the other, where it is no big deal to miss the playoffs in the East despite calling players and coaches who miss the playoffs "elite" and "HOF" quality coaches.
Wade just clearly wasn't as good as everyone was making him out to be, and he's been steadily getting worse with every passing year. stop calling him a ****ing superstar like saying that is going to somehow change the reality of the situation. He can't lead a team all by himself anymore. Compound that with the fact that he's constantly injured every year and you realize he's not someone to count on as a first option.
And we did get Deng, which was a good addition. Whiteside played almost half of the season for the Miami Heat. And Dragic played less than that. Are team was good enough, but the ideal starting 5 for Miami rarely overlapped in in-game minutes due to a multitude of injuries. Bosh himself may have played 44 games but he had blood clots in his lung, no one knows exactly when his performance began to get affected by his medical issues so he deserves the benefit of the doubt for atleast a quarter of the time that he actually played.
If you can look at all of that and say the Heat deserve absolutely no excuses show's that you're not a fan of the Miami Heat. you probably never were. Youre nothing but a Lebron nut-rider who's willing to go against his team to prop up a dude that no longer plays here just because the trolls hurt your feelings.
aj1987
08-05-2015, 01:18 PM
Lebron is all about having power, moreso then maybe any NBA player in history. That's a huge reason he went back to Cleveland. As egotistical as Jordan and Kobe are, they at least weren't always looking for a situation where they had that level of power. Its not a coincidence that the one coach that Lebron didn't just totally walk over was Spoelstra since his job status wasn't determined by Lebron's preference and he had Riley's backing. And its not a coincidence that Lebron wanted out of the situation the first chance he got. And that was with Riley from a distance, not Riley as a coach.
Its one thing to not play for coaches that demand respect. Its another thing to go ahead and actually disrespect them. He clearly doesn't want to play for a coach that would actually demand respect, which is why he had no problem going back to Cleveland even though they just hired a first year coach. Its already been reported that he likes Blatt as coach since he can basically kick him around without any consequence.
He would NOT want to play under Phil, Pop, or Riley. He played a less ball-dominant style under Spoelstra, but still a more ball-dominant style then any offense under Phil or Pop, yet he didn't want to play that style anymore. What does that tell you? He wouldn't want to play in a system that emphasizes ball movement and no ball dominance. And like I said, he wants power but not only over coaching, but over OWNERSHIP. Those three would not coach under those circumstances.
This is why the Lebron not having a HOF coach argument is weak. All signs point to him not wanting to be in a situation that makes sense for a HOF coach.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Blatt is a rookie coach who used to coach in a scrub league. Spo is by no means even close to being a good coach. He's average at best.
ArbitraryWater
08-05-2015, 01:19 PM
Lebron is all about having power, moreso then maybe any NBA player in history. That's a huge reason he went back to Cleveland. As egotistical as Jordan and Kobe are, they at least weren't always looking for a situation where they had that level of power. Its not a coincidence that the one coach that Lebron didn't just totally walk over was Spoelstra since his job status wasn't determined by Lebron's preference and he had Riley's backing. And its not a coincidence that Lebron wanted out of the situation the first chance he got. And that was with Riley from a distance, not Riley as a coach.
Its one thing to not play for coaches that demand respect. Its another thing to go ahead and actually disrespect them. He clearly doesn't want to play for a coach that would actually demand respect, which is why he had no problem going back to Cleveland even though they just hired a first year coach. Its already been reported that he likes Blatt as coach since he can basically kick him around without any consequence.
He would NOT want to play under Phil, Pop, or Riley. He played a less ball-dominant style under Spoelstra, but still a more ball-dominant style then any offense under Phil or Pop, yet he didn't want to play that style anymore. What does that tell you? He wouldn't want to play in a system that emphasizes ball movement and no ball dominance. And like I said, he wants power but not only over coaching, but over OWNERSHIP. Those three would not coach under those circumstances.
This is why the Lebron not having a HOF coach argument is weak. All signs point to him not wanting to be in a situation that makes sense for a HOF coach.
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah306/MaleRuler/Basketball/LeBron%20James/WzPLFSc_zpsdn2gtf1h.gif (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/MaleRuler/media/Basketball/LeBron%20James/WzPLFSc_zpsdn2gtf1h.gif.html)
Rose'sACL
08-05-2015, 02:07 PM
All 5 of those guys missed a significant amount of games for the Heat. They had inconsistent lineups all year. It doesn't matter how talented they are. Consistency and time to mesh matters. So it's not really shocking that they didn't make the playoffs. Anyway, it's not like Spo didn't coach worse teams into the playoffs. If you really think Spo is never getting another team to the playoffs and past the 1st round, you're a moron.
Again, ISH logic at its finest :oldlol:
celtics had so many trades. Pacers played without PG.
Bosh played half the season. Wade played more games than he played in the 2013-14 season. they got whiteside, deng and then dragic to end the season.
any real heat fan will tell you that Spo is a pretty average coach at best.
FLDFSU
08-05-2015, 03:53 PM
Wade just clearly wasn't as good as everyone was making him out to be, and he's been steadily getting worse with every passing year. stop calling him a ****ing superstar like saying that is going to somehow change the reality of the situation. He can't lead a team all by himself anymore. Compound that with the fact that he's constantly injured every year and you realize he's not someone to count on as a first option.
And we did get Deng, which was a good addition. Whiteside played almost half of the season for the Miami Heat. And Dragic played less than that. Are team was good enough, but the ideal starting 5 for Miami rarely overlapped in in-game minutes due to a multitude of injuries. Bosh himself may have played 44 games but he had blood clots in his lung, no one knows exactly when his performance began to get affected by his medical issues so he deserves the benefit of the doubt for atleast a quarter of the time that he actually played.
If you can look at all of that and say the Heat deserve absolutely no excuses show's that you're not a fan of the Miami Heat. you probably never were. Youre nothing but a Lebron nut-rider who's willing to go against his team to prop up a dude that no longer plays here just because the trolls hurt your feelings.
You are preaching to the choir about Wade. I stop thinking of Wade as a superstar after 2012 season. Looking back, Wade stop being a superstar after the 2011 season. But many people on here who go on and on about the weak East still called Wade a superstar as late as the summer of 2014.
But beyond Wade, we are talking about Spo. If Spo was 1/2 as good as a HOF type coach, the 2014-2015 Miami Heat finishes no worse than 3rd in the East. Personally, I think we should have finished 2nd at the very worst.
The truth is that every single team in the East, outside of Atlanta, has an excuse for missing the playoffs. The excuse of HOF Spo is beyond pathetic though.
If Kidd, Stevenson, and Hollins found a way to get it done, there is zero for Spo. Unless we think Kidd, Stevenson, and Hollins are HOF Head coaches too?
And because I think Spo, who I admittedly have deep disdain for, is an abject failure of a Head coach, I am not a Heat fan? Because I call out the Heat's coach whose imaginative philosophy consistently leads to bad offensive possessions and an over extension of our defense, I am a bad Heat fan?
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Blatt is a rookie coach who used to coach in a scrub league. Spo is by no means even close to being a good coach. He's average at best.
Refutes none of my point that Lebron wouldn't want to play for an all-time great coach that would demand respect, not cower to him, and expect him to adjust his game significantly to their style.
celtics had so many trades. Pacers played without PG.
Bosh played half the season. Wade played more games than he played in the 2013-14 season. they got whiteside, deng and then dragic to end the season.
any real heat fan will tell you that Spo is a pretty average coach at best.
And? The same thing could happen to the Celtics and Heat next year and it won't be the same results. Sometimes teams can deal with it, sometimes they can't. Point is nothing is absolute.
Wait a minute.
ISH cannot have it both ways. ISH cannot sit up here and day after day lament about how horrible the East is...how the East should be eliminated because of lack of competition...how it should be a top 16 playoff format.
But then at the same time excuse people, who ISH apparently have high regard for Bosh, Wade, and Spo, from failing to to make the tournament in said "weak" conference.
Is the East historically weak or not?
I'm not excusing them. Just saying it doesn't define his whole coaching ability. If that was the case, no one would be predicting that the Heat will be one of the best teams in the East next year, but most people are.
JT123
08-05-2015, 04:16 PM
You are preaching to the choir about Wade. I stop thinking of Wade as a superstar after 2012 season. Looking back, Wade stop being a superstar after the 2011 season. But many people on here who go on and on about the weak East still called Wade a superstar as late as the summer of 2014.
But beyond Wade, we are talking about Spo. If Spo was 1/2 as good as a HOF type coach, the 2014-2015 Miami Heat finishes no worse than 3rd in the East. Personally, I think we should have finished 2nd at the very worst.
The truth is that every single team in the East, outside of Atlanta, has an excuse for missing the playoffs. The excuse of HOF Spo is beyond pathetic though.
If Kidd, Stevenson, and Hollins found a way to get it done, there is zero for Spo. Unless we think Kidd, Stevenson, and Hollins are HOF Head coaches too?
And because I think Spo, who I admittedly have deep disdain for, is an abject failure of a Head coach, I am not a Heat fan? Because I call out the Heat's coach whose imaginative philosophy consistently leads to bad offensive possessions and an over extension of our defense, I am a bad Heat fan?
Truth is you are one of the only objective Heat fans on this forum. :cheers:
AnaheimLakers24
08-05-2015, 04:21 PM
2 hof coaches by 30 and is 2/13
Blue&Orange
08-05-2015, 04:21 PM
Won't ever happen, because Lebron doesn't allow coaches to coach.
Explain this:
Mozgov game 4 33m 28\10
Mozgov game 5 9m 0\0
ridiculous, statistically best defender in the playoffs.
Explain Curry being double triple teamed when it kept not working, even when series was over. Just because winning wasn't priority, Lebron winning FMVP was.
Where was the intricate Blatt offensive system everyone was talking about pre-season?
JT123
08-05-2015, 04:22 PM
I'm not excusing them. Just saying it doesn't one season doesn't define his whole coaching ability. If that was the case, no one would be predicting that the Heat will be one of the best teams in the East next year, but most people are.
Most people were predicting that last off season too.
I lost track of how many analysts insisted that Wade and Bosh were going to be super motivated to prove they were more than just Lebron's side kicks, and we all know how that turned out. :lol
JT123
08-05-2015, 04:23 PM
I'm a moron who has no idea what he's talking about
:cheers:
Most people were predicting that last off season too.
I lost track of how many analysts insisted that Wade and Bosh were going to be super motivated to prove they were more than just Lebron's side kicks, and we all know how that turned out. :lol
And they are still predicting it next year. More indication that you can't just assume things stay the same.
Dresta
08-05-2015, 04:29 PM
Lebron is all about having power, moreso then maybe any NBA player in history. That's a huge reason he went back to Cleveland. As egotistical as Jordan and Kobe are, they at least weren't always looking for a situation where they had that level of power. Its not a coincidence that the one coach that Lebron didn't just totally walk over was Spoelstra since his job status wasn't determined by Lebron's preference and he had Riley's backing. And its not a coincidence that Lebron wanted out of the situation the first chance he got. And that was with Riley from a distance, not Riley as a coach.
Its one thing to not play for coaches that demand respect. Its another thing to go ahead and actually disrespect them. He clearly doesn't want to play for a coach that would actually demand respect, which is why he had no problem going back to Cleveland even though they just hired a first year coach. Its already been reported that he likes Blatt as coach since he can basically kick him around without any consequence.
He would NOT want to play under Phil, Pop, or Riley. He played a less ball-dominant style under Spoelstra, but still a more ball-dominant style then any offense under Phil or Pop, yet he didn't want to play that style anymore. What does that tell you? He wouldn't want to play in a system that emphasizes ball movement and no ball dominance. And like I said, he wants power but not only over coaching, but over OWNERSHIP. Those three would not coach under those circumstances.
This is why the Lebron not having a HOF coach argument is weak. All signs point to him not wanting to be in a situation that makes sense for a HOF coach.
In a nutshell. Bron hated that he couldn't have the Miami organisation entirely to his bidding like in Cleveland - his relationship with Riley had evidently soured for this very reason.
aj1987
08-05-2015, 04:30 PM
Refutes none of my point that Lebron wouldn't want to play for an all-time great coach that would demand respect, not cower to him, and expect him to adjust his game significantly to their style.
Well, that your opinion though. We haven't seen LeBron play for an established or even a coach who did well AFTER LeBron.
Hey Yo
08-05-2015, 04:32 PM
Refutes none of my point that Lebron wouldn't want to play for an all-time great coach that would demand respect, not cower to him, and expect him to adjust his game significantly to their style.
All you did was speculate considering James has never been givin' the opportunity to play for an all-time great coach, other than the Olympics or maybe an all-star game.
Do you think Miami used the same system LeBron's 2nd year there compared to his first?
Well, that your opinion though. We haven't seen LeBron play for an established or even a coach who did well AFTER LeBron.
He wants complete control over an organization. None of those highly-respected elite coaches would want that. You do the math.
All you did was speculate considering James has never been givin' the opportunity to play for an all-time great coach, other than the Olympics or maybe an all-star game.
Do you think Miami used the same system LeBron's 2nd year there compared to his first?
He wants complete control over an organization. None of those highly-respected elite coaches would want that. You do the math.
Rose'sACL
08-05-2015, 06:10 PM
He wants complete control over an organization. None of those highly-respected elite coaches would want that. You do the math.
yes, miami wanted to hire phil jackson after they got bosh and lebron but phil said that he will not coach a team with lebron james.
Then in 2014, cavs wanted to replace blatt with Pop but he said he would really like to leave the Spurs but only if cavs trade lebron.
How do you have so much basketball knowledge?
We also know that Mike Brown went on to coach teams to multiple 60 wins seasons after he got to coach teams without lebron james.
This proves that lebron is a cancer.
yes, miami wanted to hire phil jackson after they got bosh and lebron but phil said that he will not coach a team with lebron james.
Then in 2014, cavs wanted to replace blatt with Pop but he said he would really like to leave the Spurs but only if cavs trade lebron.
How do you have so much basketball knowledge?
We also know that Mike Brown went on to coach teams to multiple 60 wins seasons after he got to coach teams without lebron james.
This proves that lebron is a cancer.
I don't have that basketball knowledge. Do you have the basketball knowledge that says he would've been able to play under one of those great coaches for a significant portion of his career?
I fully acknowledge that what I say is an opinion. Its completely possible that Lebron would've had no problem playing for one of those coaches to that extent. I just don't believe he would've and could've. And I've outlined logical reasoning that would support that. On the other hand, people like you haven't provided any reasoning that he would've had no problem playing for one of those coaches to that extent, and just ASSUME that that's the case.
If you think since I don't have hard facts like him coming out and saying "I will never play for Phil, Pop, or Pat" then I shouldn't even bring up the topic despite having good reasoning, fine. But then by that logic, people like you shouldn't try to make assumptions, make excuses for Lebron and/or compare him equally or favorably to other all-time greats just cause his lesser success didn't come with one of those coaches since you don't have shit for facts either.
Rose'sACL
08-05-2015, 08:09 PM
I don't have that basketball knowledge. Do you have the basketball knowledge that says he would've been able to play under one of those great coaches for a significant portion of his career?
I fully acknowledge that what I say is an opinion. Its completely possible that Lebron would've had no problem playing for one of those coaches to that extent. I just don't believe he would've and could've. And I've outlined logical reasoning that would support that. On the other hand, people like you haven't provided any reasoning that he would've had no problem playing for one of those coaches to that extent, and just ASSUME that that's the case.
If you think since I don't have hard facts like him coming out and saying "I will never play for Phil, Pop, or Pat" then I shouldn't even bring up the topic despite having good reasoning, fine. But then by that logic, people like you shouldn't try to make assumptions, make excuses for Lebron and/or compare him equally or favorably to other all-time greats just cause his lesser success didn't come with one of those coaches since you don't have shit for facts either.
you are the one making assumptions.
i am presenting facts.
the truth is that there are 2 top tier coaches in this league which are somewhat close to phil's calibre and they are pop and carlisle. Both have very good relationship with owner of their team which means that they are not leaving so the only way lebron could have had a great coach like kobe is if he was lucky like kobe to play for the lakers or leave for the spurs.
both Carlisle and Pop constantly praise lebron for his style of play so i have no idea where you make up your mind.
JT123
08-05-2015, 08:09 PM
He wants complete control over an organization. None of those highly-respected elite coaches would want that. You do the math.
Bron only wants control over organizations that aren't proven. He trusted the Cavs organization during his first stint, yet in 7 years they couldn't provide him with a quality second option. Then when he leaves them they lose more games than any team in the league over that 4 year stretch. :facepalm
Just cause he wants control over the Cavs doesn't mean he would be that way if he was on a franchise that had a long and storied history of success.
Da KO King
08-05-2015, 08:50 PM
Considering he's had a year to get used to the NBA game and will go into training camp with what can be expected to be his playoff roster, I think this season will show what David Blatt is about.
Euroleague
08-05-2015, 09:21 PM
Won't ever happen, because Lebron doesn't allow coaches to coach.
Explain this:
Mozgov game 4 33m 28\10
Mozgov game 5 9m 0\0
ridiculous, statistically best defender in the playoffs.
Explain Curry being double triple teamed when it kept not working, even when series was over. Just because winning wasn't priority, Lebron winning FMVP was.
Where was the intricate Blatt offensive system everyone was talking about pre-season?
In the minds of delusional retards like you. How many damn threads did I create here before the season explaining to idiots like you that none of that crap was true? At least 3.
It was all MADE UP BULLSHIT by US sports media.
And after you saw that it was all made up bullshit, you STILL can't figure out that it was all made up?
WTF is wrong with you?
NONE OF THAT CRAP WAS EVER TRUE
you are the one making assumptions.
i am presenting facts.
the truth is that there are 2 top tier coaches in this league which are somewhat close to phil's calibre and they are pop and carlisle. Both have very good relationship with owner of their team which means that they are not leaving so the only way lebron could have had a great coach like kobe is if he was lucky like kobe to play for the lakers or leave for the spurs.
both Carlisle and Pop constantly praise lebron for his style of play so i have no idea where you make up your mind.
What facts have you presented? They don't praise Lebron for his style of play, they praise him for being a great player. Not the same thing. And he is a great player. Of course he deserves praise for that.
He may have not had that opportunity to play for a Phil or Pop, but that's not necessary to speculate. If he was presented with the opportunity, there's still good reason to believe that he wouldn't have wanted to play for coaches on that level and/or he wouldn't have been more successful if he did.
Bron only wants control over organizations that aren't proven. He trusted the Cavs organization during his first stint, yet in 7 years they couldn't provide him with a quality second option. Then when he leaves them they lose more games than any team in the league over that 4 year stretch. :facepalm
Just cause he wants control over the Cavs doesn't mean he would be that way if he was on a franchise that had a long and storied history of success.
Miami wasn't proven?
RidonKs
08-06-2015, 11:44 AM
he killed it in his first year and he's got the bots (best of this season) in his wheelhouse for the next six years. if he doesn't get into the hall of fame, it'll only be because he gets fired after next season in a short sighted gesture to frustrated fans. that would be after they lose to the spurs btw.
Spaulding
08-06-2015, 06:45 PM
Spo is still very young and I cannot say he wont make the HoF because we dont know what his future holds in the NBA as coach.
Blatt has a chance as well of course.
Lebron23
08-06-2015, 07:21 PM
Coaching is so overrated. Jackson, Popovich, and even Spo struggled without a great talent on their team.
raprap
08-06-2015, 07:42 PM
lol @ guy spewing bs that Bron can't play with an all time great coach with a system because of lebron ball. News flash idiot, bron has played with team USA. He was clearly effective with a team and a system around him.
GoSpursGo1984
08-08-2015, 08:18 PM
Spoelstra without Lebron has gone
43-39
47-35
37-45
So he has been 4 and 12 games above 5oo and 8 games below 500 and not even reached 50 wins and we are considering hin a HOF coach? If Blatt wins 2 title with Lebron are we automatically putting him in to?
JT123
08-08-2015, 08:46 PM
Spoelstra without Lebron has gone
43-39
47-35
37-45
So he has been 4 and 12 games above 5oo and 8 games below 500 and not even reached 50 wins and we are considering hin a HOF coach? If Blatt wins 2 title with Lebron are we automatically putting him in to?
:applause: Yet we have Jordan knob slobbers like guy trying to place Spo in the same sentence as Phil and Pop. :roll:
Spaulding
08-09-2015, 01:09 AM
If Lebron would have played with a HoF coach for the first 7 years of his career hed be a better player. He would be more mature and allow/have a better system around him due to a HoF coach.
Cant deny this statement. As it holds true for any NBA player.
AnaheimLakers24
08-09-2015, 01:19 AM
If Lebron would have played with a HoF coach for the first 7 years of his career hed be a better player. He would be more mature and allow/have a better system around him due to a HoF coach.
Cant deny this statement. As it holds true for any NBA player.
In reality, where we live, hes 2/6 and a drama queen
PejaTheSerbSnip
08-09-2015, 03:50 AM
That makes no sense at all idiot. His work in Europe is NOT hall of fame level, and winning one NBA championship is NOT hall of fame level.
Stop being a freaking moron.
If he made the hall of fame simply for having coached in both Euroleague and the NBA and having won a championship in both that would be absolutely retarded.
Considering that tons of coaches have done more than him in his career and are not in the hall of fame.
You sound as stupid as an ESPN idiot talking head, or a paid NBA announcer.
How about Blatt actually earn the hall of fame? How is that for a novel concept?
Wtf is wrong with you? I said an NBA championship AND a decade+ long career here (of quality coaching) to go along with that many years as a more than serviceable coach overseas...will likely make him a HOF caliber coach, depending on the circumstances.
You're dense if you think he wouldn't have a case with 2-3 decades of great coaching, and championships in both leagues.
(Mind you, I didn't say he'd be a shoo-in, you primitive mouth-breathing dbag).
lol @ guy spewing bs that Bron can't play with an all time great coach with a system because of lebron ball. News flash idiot, bron has played with team USA. He was clearly effective with a team and a system around him.
Newsflash idiot, team USA and the NBA are nowhere near the same thing.
:applause: Yet we have Jordan knob slobbers like guy trying to place Spo in the same sentence as Phil and Pop. :roll:
And where did I say that?
JT123
08-09-2015, 08:29 PM
And where did I say that?
You essentially said that because Bron didn't want to keep playing for Spo, a coach who made him play in a system, it's proof that he wouldn't want to play for Pop or Phil. :facepalm
Everything you've said in this thread is complete garbage tbh. Lebron knows he's getting older and is dying to have the ball in his hands less. At the beginning of last season he tried to let Kyrie run the offense, but was forced to take over cause Kyrie refused to pass and the team was getting blown out on a nightly basis. Anyone that truly believes Lebron wouldn't want an elite coach who was capable of making his job easier and increasing his chances of winning is retarded.
raprap
08-09-2015, 08:38 PM
Newsflash idiot, team USA and the NBA are nowhere near the same thing.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
basketball is basketball, If lebron can play team USA ball and have great success with it, Im sure he can play ball with an NBA team with a system with no problems. All he needs is a great coach that he actually respects.
JT123
08-09-2015, 08:52 PM
:roll: :roll: :roll:
basketball is basketball, If lebron can play team USA ball and have great success with it, Im sure he can play ball with an NBA team with a system with no problems. All he needs is a great coach that he actually respects.
Exactly. This fool says that Lebron's play style proves he can't play in a real system, yet HOF coaches like Pop constantly PRAISE Lebron's unselfishness and decision making. But I guess guy knows more about basketball than Pop :lol
Hey Yo
08-09-2015, 09:14 PM
You essentially said that because Bron didn't want to keep playing for Spo, a coach who made him play in a system, it's proof that he wouldn't want to play for Pop or Phil. :facepalm
Everything you've said in this thread is complete garbage tbh. Lebron knows he's getting older and is dying to have the ball in his hands less. At the beginning of last season he tried to let Kyrie run the offense, but was forced to take over cause Kyrie refused to pass and the team was getting blown out on a nightly basis. Anyone that truly believes Lebron wouldn't want an elite coach who was capable of making his job easier and increasing his chances of winning is retarded.
:applause:
FLDFSU
08-09-2015, 11:45 PM
You essentially said that because Bron didn't want to keep playing for Spo, a coach who made him play in a system, it's proof that he wouldn't want to play for Pop or Phil. :facepalm
Everything you've said in this thread is complete garbage tbh. Lebron knows he's getting older and is dying to have the ball in his hands less. At the beginning of last season he tried to let Kyrie run the offense, but was forced to take over cause Kyrie refused to pass and the team was getting blown out on a nightly basis. Anyone that truly believes Lebron wouldn't want an elite coach who was capable of making his job easier and increasing his chances of winning is retarded.
Let's be real...we already know they are retarded
JT123
08-09-2015, 11:56 PM
Let's be real...we already know they are retarded
Funniest thing is they are the same posters who accuse Lebron of wanting too much help, yet now they wanna claim he would reject an all time great coach, something just about every other top 10 player has had. :hammerhead:
raprap
08-10-2015, 06:11 AM
Funniest thing is they are the same posters who accuse Lebron of wanting too much help, yet now they wanna claim he would reject an all time great coach, something just about every other top 10 player has had. :hammerhead:
thread over :applause:
You essentially said that because Bron didn't want to keep playing for Spo, a coach who made him play in a system, it's proof that he wouldn't want to play for Pop or Phil. :facepalm
Everything you've said in this thread is complete garbage tbh. Lebron knows he's getting older and is dying to have the ball in his hands less. At the beginning of last season he tried to let Kyrie run the offense, but was forced to take over cause Kyrie refused to pass and the team was getting blown out on a nightly basis. Anyone that truly believes Lebron wouldn't want an elite coach who was capable of making his job easier and increasing his chances of winning is retarded.
He didn't want to play under Spo under a system where he was less ball dominant then before but still more ball dominant then the systems under Phil and Pop. How in the **** does your dumbass get from that that I'm saying theyre all on the same level????
To your last point, it's not even that. It doesn't seem like he actually thinks the coaches and front office leadership really makes that much of a difference, at least not to the point that he'd want to give up power for it. There have been reports implying that as well.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
basketball is basketball, If lebron can play team USA ball and have great success with it, Im sure he can play ball with an NBA team with a system with no problems. All he needs is a great coach that he actually respects.
Giving up power playing for a great coach every 4 years for a couple of months with a bunch of other great players against inferior competition for a gold medal that isn't as valuable is not the same thing :oldlol: Is it really that hard to see the huge difference? Players actually aren't even sure if they want to participate :oldlol:
Euroleague
08-11-2015, 07:29 PM
:roll: :roll: :roll:
basketball is basketball, If lebron can play team USA ball and have great success with it, Im sure he can play ball with an NBA team with a system with no problems. All he needs is a great coach that he actually respects.
Team USA would beat every single NBA team by 30-40 points. Most of the best European national teams would beat every single NBA team by 20-30 points.
NBA only fans are just THAT freaking clueless and retarded about how totally irrelevant any comparison there is between what it is like playing on Team USA versus an average NBA team.
Just Bosh/LeBron/Wade was enough to wreck most of the NBA year after year after year after year. That same Heat team would get beaten handily by just good international national teams.
It's easy as freaking hell to play on Team USA and win. So people making that argument are completely absurd and ridiculous.
raprap
08-12-2015, 04:22 AM
Team USA would beat every single NBA team by 30-40 points. Most of the best European national teams would beat every single NBA team by 20-30 points.
NBA only fans are just THAT freaking clueless and retarded about how totally irrelevant any comparison there is between what it is like playing on Team USA versus an average NBA team.
Just Bosh/LeBron/Wade was enough to wreck most of the NBA year after year after year after year. That same Heat team would get beaten handily by just good international national teams.
It's easy as freaking hell to play on Team USA and win. So people making that argument are completely absurd and ridiculous.
Nobody debates that. The point of my post is if LeBron can buy in a system like USA has, he can also do it in the NBA if given a coach that he actually respects basketball IQ wise.
Spaulding
08-14-2015, 12:21 AM
Nobody debates that. The point of my post is if LeBron can buy in a system like USA has, he can also do it in the NBA if given a coach that he actually respects basketball IQ wise.
:applause:
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