Should Prison Sentences Be Based On Crimes That Haven

[UK2K]

Another interesting article from 538. I'll give you the key points.

[QUOTE]Pennsylvania is on the verge of becoming one of the first states in the country to base criminal sentences not only on what crimes people have been convicted of, but also on whether they are deemed likely to commit additional crimes. As early as next year, judges there could receive statistically derived tools known as risk assessments to help them decide how much prison time

[Akrazotile]

Another interesting article from 538. I'll give you the key points.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/prison-reform-risk-assessment/

Pretty cool for anyone interested in statistics/criminal justice/and psychology.

What do you think? After seeing the Memphis shooter, sentenced to 121 months in prison for armed robbery, out on probation then killing a cop a month later, it only reinforces my viewpoint that certain individuals need to be punished. If they choose not to rehabilitate in prison, then they can remain there. We print fake money up all the time, it'd be money well spent.

Should we rely on algorithms to determine sentencing, even if they are more accurate than our own judgment?

I read that article earlier. The amount of money Pennsylvania spends on prisons is shocking.

We should just start killing/deporting serious criminal offenders whether theve committed murder yet or not. People demonstrably and openly associating in gangs should be killed or deported. And when I say deported, I dont mean just if theyre illegals. I mean so-called citizens. Build one of those canine electric fences across Canada and send these animals up there with an ankle tag that will shock them if they try to come back. Let Ridonks worry about coddling them with rehabilitation :lol

How long are we gonna put ourselves at risk in the name of tolerance? How long are we gonna let populatin demographics spiral out of control in the name of political correctness????


I mean, I cant believe whats even happening these days. The shit is so depressing. Being a cuck has become politically fashionable, and the left absolutely LOVES it. They love those feelings of revenge against all the people who see religion differently than them, or the people who make more money than them, or didnt get picked on as kids. They really want to stick it in to those people, so cutting off the entire country's nose just to spite half of its face is totally cool in their book. Yes, lets screw up the country just to rankle conservatives! Great mission statement. Gotta stick to those party politics!

[9erempiree]

What is this the 'thought police'? Crimes haven't been committed yet?

[SCREWstonRockets]

good hbo documentary on this called "thought crimes". based on that cannibal cop story a couple years back

[UK2K]

What is this the 'thought police'? Crimes haven't been committed yet?
They're using statistics to determine the length of sentencing based on the likelihood you will be a repeat offender.

Some people in the news recently have been arrested dozens of times. That's unacceptable.

[KevinNYC]

We print fake money up all the time, it'd be money well spent.:lol

Please send me your fake money. I'll take it off your hands.

[UK2K]

:lol

Please send me your fake money. I'll take it off your hands.

Apply for any of the dozens of welfare programs.

They'll hand it to you, no questions asked.

[iamgine]

I would rather see it based on algorithm inside the prison.

They can design an algorithm to measure how rehabilitated a prisoner is. If he doesn't pass, his sentence becomes longer and his priviledge worsens. And vice versa if he pass with flying colors.

Also set them up with an optional government sponsored "special wage" job when they gets outside. Enough to live on but slightly less than minimum.

[DonD13]

no

[Real Men Wear Green]

Psycho Pass was a cool cartoon but should not be the inspiration for official policy.

[RidonKs]

it's a good idea as long as it isn't used to place floors on how many years certain offenders have to spend in prison.

if this would mean that an accomplice to an armed robbery would be REQUIRED to spend five years in jail, i'm not down with it.

if it's a handy mathematical model to help judges make up their minds, then by all means.

[StephHamann]

Risk assessment tool:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Felix_von_Luschan_Skin_Color_chart.svg/2000px-Felix_von_Luschan_Skin_Color_chart.svg.png

[ace23]

This is pretty dumb.

[kNIOKAS]

Sounds like a first firm step towards eugenics. :cheers:

[UK2K]

This is pretty dumb.

So is this:


March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

Arrested 8 times in a year and a half.

[kNIOKAS]

So is this:



Arrested 8 times in a year and a half.
Seems like that guy needs a serious help, and not even more punishment that cripples him even more so, spending time in that poisonous environment.

[UK2K]

Seems like that guy needs a serious help, and not even more punishment that cripples him even more so, spending time in that poisonous environment.

Obviously the punishment wasn't being handed out, if he could be arrested eight times in an 18 month span.

[TripleA]

If you punish someone who does not care about the punishment. He probably will still do the same shit. Thats the problem with prisons people go their and still or more messed up as before.

[kNIOKAS]

Obviously the punishment wasn't being handed out, if he could be arrested eight times in an 18 month span.
So good, less evil in the world. Now we wonder where any of the good could have been created instead of doing nothing with that person.

[Akrazotile]

Sounds like a first firm step towards eugenics. :cheers:



It's about time :rockon:

[Akrazotile]

Sounds like a first firm step towards eugenics. :cheers:


Wait, wasnt legalizing abortion already the first step?

Or is "that different" bc you presumably support abortion?

[aj1987]

Wait. I might've not read the OP properly, but are they trying to say that there should be longer sentences for people (who already committed a crime) who live in a bad neighborhood? Does that how the "risk assessment" works?

I just skimmed through it, so excuse me if I'm mistaken.

[Akrazotile]

Wait. I might've not read the OP properly, but are they trying to say that there should be longer sentences for people (who already committed a crime) who live in a bad neighborhood? Does that how the "risk assessment" works?

I just skimmed through it, so excuse me if I'm mistaken.


The criteria for risk assessment is age, employment, and nature of the crime.

So no, neighborhood isnt a factor.

[UK2K]

The criteria for risk assessment is age, employment, and nature of the crime.

So no, neighborhood isnt a factor.

I believe in the article there are like 16 risk factors.

[aj1987]

I believe in the article there are like 16 risk factors.
Still, too many people in prisons.

America spends ~300 billion on prisons per year. Should cut down on incarcerating people for drug related crimes and focus on violent crimes. There actually needs to be a complete overhaul of the judicial system, IMO.

[kNIOKAS]

Wait, wasnt legalizing abortion already the first step?

Or is "that different" bc you presumably support abortion?
I assumably don't have an opinion neither nor on abortion or on the cultural dichotomic phenomenon the topic has become. I would see the fundamental difference between sentencing people longer because of the alleged likelyhood to commit another crime and abortion. Thus the differences in how does it apply to eugenics.

[KevinNYC]

Apply for any of the dozens of welfare programs.

They'll hand it to you, no questions asked.You're on some breitbart level crazy today.

[DonDadda59]

Oh, I saw this movie. Spielberg :applause:

[Norcaliblunt]

Prison/jail makes a lot of people worse. There are as many drugs in there as on the street, the nutrition is terrible, and the whole structure and segregation creates gangs. It's an amazingly bad way to get someone to respect society and live well.

[Jameerthefear]

Psycho Pass was a cool cartoon but should not be the inspiration for official policy.
OMG. You watched Psycho-Pass?
:applause: first good post by u ever

[Real Men Wear Green]

OMG. You watched Psycho-Pass?
:applause: first good post by u ever
Which would still put me ahead of you.

[Akrazotile]

Prison/jail makes a lot of people worse. There are as many drugs in there as on the street, the nutrition is terrible, and the whole structure and segregation creates gangs. It's an amazingly bad way to get someone to respect society and live well.

Maybe they should have done that, like, you know, BEFORE they went to prison :facepalm

[TripleA]

Maybe they should have done that, like, you know, BEFORE they went to prison :facepalm

Than jail is pretty much a long ass time out.:lol