Better defender vs Bron

[orange_chicken]

Which of these guys would be the better defender against Lebron?

Kawhi
Iggy
Pippin
Ron Arrest (prime)
Paul George

[ClipperRevival]

Pippen hands down. His length and quickness would've given Bron hell. Pip is a better version of Iggy as a defender. Longer, quicker and with much lighter feet. Pip would have some trouble with Bron once he gets going with a head of steam in the open court but in iso situations when Pip was set, Bron would've struggled.

[Mass Debator]

Past prime Kobe

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[RidonKs]

pippen would be best
kawhi is next because he's pesky but smart
prime artest might be best on one possession but too many mental lapses, too much attention deficit
iggy and george aren't much different... one's quicker, the other's stronger

[Rocketswin2013]

None of them. LeBron trashed Leonard in both of the series he played against him. Not even sure why he comes up in these discussions.

Iggy did a good job on LeBron in one of his worst scoring years. Real prime LeBron used to demolish a prime Igoudola.

Pippen? Pointless to speculate.

Ron Artest? Who knows.

George did a pretty good job on LeBron in 2013(Only relatively, LeBron had a great v offensive series overall), not so much the year before. I'd say Hibbert had a bigger impact on LeBron than George did, though.

The only player who has consistently given LeBron James trouble is Jimmy Butler. Both RS & PS over several years now.

[Fire Colangelo]

Individual defenders never gave LeBron too much problem in his early Miami years... It was the team defense like the Celtics that gave LeBron tons of trouble.

But prime Artest is someone id have on LeBron. Quick on his feet, strong as hell.

[Lebronxrings]

none really have a shot. To defend lebron, you need all 5 guys guarding him which is hard. 2015 and 2014 finals are examples where the whole team needed to handle him.

[G0ATbe]

Past prime Kobe

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[RidonKs]

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but this wasn't so much a proper duel as it was a sucker punch so it doesn't count...

[TheCorporation]

None of them. LeBron trashed Leonard in both of the series he played against him. Not even sure why he comes up in these discussions.

Iggy did a good job on LeBron in one of his worst scoring years. Real prime LeBron used to demolish a prime Igoudola.

Pippen? Pointless to speculate.

Ron Artest? Who knows.

George did a pretty good job on LeBron in 2013(Only relatively, LeBron had a great v offensive series overall), not so much the year before. I'd say Hibbert had a bigger impact on LeBron than George did, though.

The only player who has consistently given LeBron James trouble is Jimmy Butler. Both RS & PS over several years now.

I was literally going to write something similar, but it looks like someone already knows :cheers:

Kawhi and the Spurs "held" LeBron to 28 ppg and 57% FG lol Tell me how great is a player (LBJ) if 28 ppg and 57% is a "lock down." I bet if you went back through the Finals you would be hard pressed to even find a player that shot 57% while scoring 28 ppg. I wonder if it has ever been done aside from LeBron. (And if you have to go way back, plead adjust for pace, Wilt's impressive 50/27 season is still beastly when adjusted for pace to something like 37/19).So much for that myth

But Butler, yes, Butler does give LBJ problems.

[Marchesk]

I bet if you went back through the Finals you would be hard pressed to even find a player that shot 57% while scoring 28 ppg. I wonder if it has ever been done aside from LeBron.

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[TheCorporation]

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And did they consider Shaq as being "locked down" :lol

Or something else lol

[Marchesk]

And did they consider Shaq as being "locked down" :lol

Or something else lol

I guess they were busy locking Kobe down. :confusedshrug:

[TheCorporation]

I guess they were busy locking Kobe down. :confusedshrug:

Yep haha Triple teaming Shaq :lol

[3ball]

:facepalm

[3ball]

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[Beastmode88]

Jason Terry? :confusedshrug:

[dontgetchoked]

jimmy butler bruh, why do people act like kwahi ever defended lebron well?

[Angel Face]

Pippen would lock down Lebron worse than Iggy and Kawhi. Lebron will be held down to 35% fg. Prime Pippen is used to guarding the GOAT every time in their practices. Lebron would be a cake walk for him.

[diamenz]

jj barrea
pippen
kawhi
butler
iggy

[Hey Yo]

When was the last time a Finals winning player was givin' the FMVP for his so-called "lock down" defense and had nothing to do with his PPG for the series?

2015 FMVP Iggy defended (for 3 games) and James still avg. 31ppg and almost a trip-dub.

2014 FMVP Kawhi defended James at 28ppg, 8rpg, 4apg, 2st, 57% 2pt and 52%3PT

B2B FMP's who so-called shut James down in the Finals????

[Tycriss]

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[I<3NBA]

When was the last time a Finals winning player was givin' the FMVP for his so-called "lock down" defense and had nothing to do with his PPG for the series?

2015 FMVP Iggy defended (for 3 games) and James still avg. 31ppg and almost a trip-dub.

2014 FMVP Kawhi defended James at 28ppg, 8rpg, 4apg, 2st, 57% 2pt and 52%3PT

B2B FMP's who so-called shut James down in the Finals????
they were awarded FMVP not for locking down Lebron, but for limiting him from his regular averages.

just goes to show the voters acknowledged how hard it is to guard Lebron and that limiting him to 28 ppg was already a miraculous feat worth an FMVP.

[And1AllDay]

jimmy butler bruh, why do people act like kwahi ever defended lebron well?

Agreed. Still not sure why people think 28/8 on 57% was considered a "king slayer"

More like Kahwi got slayed :lol

[305Baller]

Agreed. Still not sure why people think 28/8 on 57% was considered a "king slayer"

More like Kahwi got slayed :lol

Spurs locked up the supporting cast and their offense was insane. LeBron stole a game and almost a second.

[FreezingTsmoove]

If Lebron was scoring so easily and NOT getting his ass locked down by Kawhi and Green than why the hell did he only average 28ppg :lol

If it was so easy why didnt he elevate his game to Jordan esque scoring levels?

I mean he was im huge deficits every game, and he had pretty shit teammates (also Lebrons fault. LeGM wanted Oden Lewis Allen etc :lol) why didnt he elevate his game, if it was so easy to score....

[swagga]

If Lebron was scoring so easily and NOT getting his ass locked down by Kawhi and Green than why the hell did he only average 28ppg :lol

If it was so easy why didnt he elevate his game to Jordan esque scoring levels?

I mean he was im huge deficits every game, and he had pretty shit teammates (also Lebrons fault. LeGM wanted Oden Lewis Allen etc :lol) why didnt he elevate his game, if it was so easy to score....

why did he want any teammates at all, couldn't he do it alone like kobe ? :coleman:
lebrons only choke is 11, which is still better than kobes colossal choke in 04, so there's that.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Which of these guys would be the better defender against Lebron?

Kawhi
Iggy
Pippin
Ron Arrest (prime)
Paul George

Iggy is like a step below Kawhi. Kawhi is a step below Pippen (although not by much, as an offensive player Pippen is significantly ahead and he was a bit more athletic). Ron Artest (prime), agreed with other posters. He often had mental lapses and didn't a really old Jordan drop 40 on him? Paul George, for a few years he was considered the best defender on LeBron but he's far too skinny and not nearly as built as Butler or Kawhi who often give LeBron more fits than most other defenders (including Iggy).

[NBAplayoffs2001]

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Rodman on the Bad Boy Pistons on LeBron would be REALLY fun to watch. But only if it was under late 80s NBA rules. In today's game, he fouls out in 20 mins.

[PP34Deuce]

I keep hearing people mention length...

Lebron doesn't rise up high on his jumpers like Tracy Mcgrady so length will not bother him when he can bully you.

Ron Artest would be the guy to bother Lebron the most. Lebron can't effectively post up as easy on prime artest. He also can't consistently beat prime artest off the dribble. Artest had that big chest and lower body

[SHAQisGOAT]

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[Heavincent]

When was the last time a Finals winning player was givin' the FMVP for his so-called "lock down" defense and had nothing to do with his PPG for the series?

2015 FMVP Iggy defended (for 3 games) and James still avg. 31ppg and almost a trip-dub.

2014 FMVP Kawhi defended James at 28ppg, 8rpg, 4apg, 2st, 57% 2pt and 52%3PT

B2B FMP's who so-called shut James down in the Finals????

Bran shot like 35% when guarded by Iguodala. He got shut down. Accept it. I'm so sick of seeing shitheads like you parrot this bullshit.

[HylianNightmare]

Pippin
Artest
Kahwi
Iggy
George

[Rose'sACL]

Jimmy Butler
Pippen
Artest
Kawhi
George
Iggy

[ClipperRevival]

I keep hearing people mention length...

Lebron doesn't rise up high on his jumpers like Tracy Mcgrady so length will not bother him when he can bully you.

Ron Artest would be the guy to bother Lebron the most. Lebron can't effectively post up as easy on prime artest. He also can't consistently beat prime artest off the dribble. Artest had that big chest and lower body

Length is always a factor in basketball, no matter the situation. The longer you are, the better you are off.

Give me Pip's 7'3" wingspan, 6'8" height and freakish athleticism over the slower and smaller Artest. Pip was a pretty strong dude himself and could handle himself against 4's.

[ClipperRevival]

The thing that would really shock Bron is Pip's foot speed, quickness and ability to slide laterally with ease. When Pip is set, Bron would have serious fits losing Pip. His best bet would be when the D isn't set and he's able to create in transition. But even then, Pip is just as tall and with longer arms and is more than athletic enough to bother Bron in that scenario.

Definitely one of the best "what if" matchups in history. I think Pip would've had Bron doing :lebroncry: a lot.

[imdaman99]

Pippen would routinely get bullied by Anthony Mason. Mason was one of the strongest and scariest dudes in the world so I guess it makes sense. Lebron is not that scary but he outweighs Pip by 50 lbs so I don't think it would be him. Would Lebron have his way with him? Probably not but he is not getting shut down.

And funny how these Lebron stans are talking about Lebron scoring 28 on 57% shooting :roll: How much of that was on Kawhi and how much was it when the Heat were already down 30 in garbage time?

I'd go...
Butler + Noah
Kawhi
Iggy

The rest is speculation. If I wanted to speculate I'd put Rodman and Artest with Pippen following.

[SyRyanYang]

No one mentioned Boris "classical human being" Diaw? :facepalm

[PP34Deuce]

The thing that would really shock Bron is Pip's foot speed, quickness and ability to slide laterally with ease. When Pip is set, Bron would have serious fits losing Pip. His best bet would be when the D isn't set and he's able to create in transition. But even then, Pip is just as tall and with longer arms and is more than athletic enough to bother Bron in that scenario.

Definitely one of the best "what if" matchups in history. I think Pip would've had Bron doing :lebroncry: a lot.

In a one on one game, This would be an epic match up. I still think prime defensive artest (Chicago Bulls) Artest would give him more fits. Pippen is strong but I can see Lebron out muscling him. Prime Artest doesn't let up any space when Lebron drives.

[ClipperRevival]

In a one on one game, This would be an epic match up. I still think prime defensive artest (Chicago Bulls) Artest would give him more fits. Pippen is strong but I can see Lebron out muscling him. Prime Artest doesn't let up any space when Lebron drives.

But Bron does most of his damage when the D isn't set and in transition and Pip is better for that. In the post, advantage Artest as he can better hold his ground but Pip is still longer so he'll better contest shots.