Wade vs. Kobe this upcoming season

[LoneyROY7]

Which aging HOF shooting guard will put up better numbers in the coming season?

For reference, in 2014-15 these were their respective numbers:

Kobe - 22.3/5.6/5.7 on 37.3 percent

Wade - 21.5/4.8/3.5 on 47 percent

Who you got?

[STATUTORY]

Kobe if healthy

[RRR3]

Wade.

[mehyaM24]

good question.

even though kobe is all but finished, i trust his work ethic more than i do wade's lazy ass.
kobe will have a decent offensive year this season if he remains healthy. wade unfortunately will continue to decline because of his inability to adjust at an advanced age.

[HylianNightmare]

if both healthy Kobe because he'll have to score more due to his team

[RRR3]

People honestly think Kobe is anywhere close to Wade at this point in time? :biggums:

[LoneyROY7]

good question.

even though kobe is all but finished, i trust his work ethic more than i do wade's lazy ass.
kobe will have a decent offensive year this season if he remains healthy. wade unfortunately will continue to decline because of his inability to adjust at an advanced age.

That's debatable.

Wade's mid-range game last year looked as good as it has since probably '06. He shot 44 percent on all jumpers including 3s last year, so it shows that his shot is still capable despite the slowed athleticism.

[Wade's Rings]

good question.

even though kobe is all but finished, i trust his work ethic more than i do wade's lazy ass.
kobe will have a decent offensive year this season if he remains healthy. wade unfortunately will continue to decline because of his inability to adjust at an advanced age.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2409374-dwyane-wade-then-vs-now-how-flash-is-reinventing-his-game-with-age

:sleeping

[LoneyROY7]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2409374-dwyane-wade-then-vs-now-how-flash-is-reinventing-his-game-with-age

:sleeping

:applause:

[STATUTORY]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2409374-dwyane-wade-then-vs-now-how-flash-is-reinventing-his-game-with-age

:sleeping

wow what a long article about Wade adding basic things like floater and jab step to his game :facepalm

[mehyaM24]

People honestly think Kobe is anywhere close to Wade at this point in time? :biggums:

that's not saying much. wade has always been overrated AF

last year, he was barely a top 15 sg....on offense alone.....

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/2


wow what a long article about Wade adding basic things like floater and jab step to his game :facepalm

:lol

[LoneyROY7]

that's not saying much. wade has always been overrated AF

last year, he was barely a top 15 sg....on offense alone.....

[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/2[/url

Did you honestly just use RPM to demonstrate offensive capability?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[mehyaM24]

Did you honestly just use RPM to demonstrate offensive capability?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

its the best individual measure we have to date.

i mean, its used by teams across the league for a reason :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

that's not saying much. wade has always been overrated AF

last year, he was barely a top 15 sg....on offense alone.....

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/2



:lol
Yeah, Iman Shumpert is definitely a better offensive player than Dwyane Wade :rolleyes:

[oti]

that's not saying much. wade has always been overrated AF

last year, he was barely a top 15 sg....on offense alone.....

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/2



:lol

Yea lets judge players on some worthless stat made up by some basement geek.

Wade had a pretty good season considering all the problems Miami faced but you can still judge him by those "advanced" stats, no one really cares.

[LoneyROY7]

its used by teams across the league. mainly by management :confusedshrug:

Quotes by NBA front offices and management saying they use RPM to evaluate a player offensively please.

[mehyaM24]

Yeah, Iman Shumpert is definitely a better offensive player than Dwyane Wade :rolleyes:

where does it say that? imam shumpert is somewhere ~30 on that list, and overall (including DRPM) somewhere in the top 15.

when he's given minutes, shump is actually one of the best defenders at his position.

[LoneyROY7]

This dude just said that RPM is the "best individual measure we have to date".

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Credibility non-existent.

[mehyaM24]

Quotes by NBA front offices and management saying they use RPM to evaluate a player offensively please.

http://www.nbastuffer.com/component/option,com_glossary/Itemid,0/catid,44/func,view/term,NBA%20Teams%20That%20Have%20Analytics%20Depar tment/

fpliii has mentioned this time & time again. rapm/rpm is the analytic they look at most.


This dude just said that RPM is the "best individual measure we have to date".

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Credibility non-existent.

the best statistical measure - absolutely. find me one better? :confusedshrug:

[LoneyROY7]

http://www.nbastuffer.com/component/option,com_glossary/Itemid,0/catid,44/func,view/term,NBA%20Teams%20That%20Have%20Analytics%20Depar tment/

fpliii has mentioned this time & time again. rapm/rpm is the analytic they look at most.

So not a single quote referring to RPM. Thanks.

[mehyaM24]

So not a single quote referring to RPM. Thanks.
why? i've already linked you an article detailing WHY these teams use advanced analytics.

:confusedshrug:

[oti]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

this guy just went full retard

[mehyaM24]

btw, here's a great read on the teams that use RPM or "RAPM"

http://apbr.org/metrics/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8403

[DMV2]

Real Plus-Minus....

as in -/+



:biggums:



:roll:

[mehyaM24]

^^^ not the same thing

+/- doesn't adjust for lineups, teammates or strength in opponents

[LoneyROY7]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

this guy just went full retard

FULL retard. :oldlol:

[DMV2]

^^^ not the same thing

+/- doesn't adjust for lineups, teammates or strength in opponents
So basically Advanced +/- ?

still

:biggums:

:roll:

material

[Lensanity]

37 percent LMAO


Plus if he would have played the whole season it would have seriously gone down to like 33%.

[mehyaM24]

So basically Advanced +/- ?

still

:biggums:

:roll:

material

if you read and educate yourself on how its measured, its really not that laughable. there's a reason teams across the league use it, and more analytics - stuff that would make casuals scratch their head at first sight. :lol

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10740818/introducing-real-plus-minus

[STATUTORY]

37 percent LMAO


Plus if he would have played the whole season it would have seriously gone down to like 33%.

37% with one shoulder...

[BasedTom]

that's not saying much. wade has always been overrated AF

last year, he was barely a top 15 sg....on offense alone.....

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/2



:lol
kill yourself

[Wade's Rings]

wow what a long article about Wade adding basic things like floater and jab step to his game :facepalm

It shows that only 21.6% of his shots come around the rim which is the complete opposite of some of him Prime Years when he was at the top of the league in shots around the rim.

He also states how Wade attempted 10 FGAs in the Post according to synergy sports and How he already attempted 135 at that point in the Season.

The article doesn't even state that he shot 50% from Midrange in 2013-2014 & 44% on all Jumpers in 2014-2015. His Off-Ball Game is much improved as well.

:confusedshrug:

[mehyaM24]

.429 from 10-16 feet
.378 from 16-22 feet
.284 from 3PT

^^^ ~36% on jumpers is actually pretty terrible. just saying.

[Mr Feeny]

that's not saying much. wade has always been overrated AF

last year, he was barely a top 15 sg....on offense alone.....

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/2


:lol

Goodness me, your a shockingly bad poster.

[mehyaM24]

Goodness me, your a shockingly bad poster.

don't let the facts hit you in the head. in your case, they're living rent free. :lol

[GrapeApe]

This thread is a perfect example of why I rarely post here anymore. Anyway, getting back on topic, I actually think both Kobe and Wade are going to have very solid seasons. Wade has a better supporting cast so Kobe will likely have the ball in his hands more often and better raw totals. Wade's efficiency dipped a bit last season but it should come back up with a full season (knock on wood) with Dragic and Bosh. Health will obviously be a concern, but that is tough to predict. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and project them each to play 65+ games.

Kobe: 23/5/5 42%
Wade: 20/5/4 49%

[305Baller]

Wade will have the more productive and succesful year but I wouldnt be shocked if Kobe did.

[Cold soul]

I'm hoping Kobe has one good season left in him before retirement go out on good note injury free.

[GrapeApe]

I'm hoping Kobe has one good season left in him before retirement go out on good note injury free.

Definitely. I hate seeing all time greats limp to the finish line. I'm a Heat and Wade fan but I've always had a lot of respect for Kobe. They've had some great battles over the years and I know they have a lot of respect for each other. Second and third best SG's of all time. Guys like Harden and Thompson are really good players, but they're not Kobe and Wade. Obviously as a Heat fan I hope Wade has a few more all star caliber seasons left in him, but I'd like to see Kobe put together at least one more great season too.