The current unemployment rate is a joke & immigration hurts American job opportunity

[HitandRun Reggie]

If a Republican said that most of you would dismiss it an anti-Obama rhetoric. In fact many Republicans have been saying that for years, and liberals roll their eyes every time when they hear things like "real unemployment", "labor force shrinking", "more immigration hurts American job opportunities". Blah blah blah right?

How about when it comes out of the mouth of ya'lls beloved Bernie Sanders?

http://progresoweekly.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/bilde-685x342.jpg

"Once a month the government publishes a set of figures, and the last figures they published said that official unemployment was 5.4 percent,” the Democratic nominee continued, slightly misstating the Labor Department’s most recent report which put June’s unemployment rate at 5.3 percent.

“But there is another set of government statistics,” Sanders continued, “and that that real unemployment if you include those people who have given up looking for work and the millions of others who are working part-time 20, 25 hours a week when they want to work full-time, when you all of that together, real unemployment is 10.5 percent.”


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/06/bernie-sanders-says-real-unemployment-rate-is-actually-10-5-percent-double-the-official-rate-video/#ixzz3iU5pnPFp

When you have 36-percent of Hispanic kids in this country who can't find jobs and you bring a lot of unskilled workers in the country what do you think happens to that 36-percent of kids of today who are unemployed? 51% of African-American kids [are unemployed]," Sanders said.

"I frankly do not believe we should be bringing in significant numbers of unskilled workers to compete with those kids," Sanders made clear.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/07/31/bernie_sanders_against_open_borders_that_would_sub stantially_lower_wages_in_this_country.html

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[Nanners]

i do love uncle bernie

[Akrazotile]

Illegal immigraton only benefits businesses and foreigners.

But the left cares more about being seen as sensitive and fitting in with the liberal mob than putting their foot down on a difficult issue for the good of the country.

Libs gonna lib. At least this Sanders fellow is giving a genuine opinion rather than pandering to his base of fools. Gotta respect that even if I disagree with much of his other policy ideas.

[ALBballer]

Illegal immigraton only benefits businesses and foreigners.

But the left cares more about being seen as sensitive and fitting in with the liberal mob than putting their foot down on a difficult issue for the good of the country.

Libs gonna lib. At least this Sanders fellow is giving a genuine opinion rather than pandering to his base of fools. Gotta respect that even if I disagree with much of his other policy ideas.

And what about the right? How come they act like they are against illegal immigrants but don't want to go after businesses that hire them? Both parties are at fault.

Illegal immigration could mostly be solved by fining corporations/businesses that hire them and ending all welfare and other social programs for them. Eliminate the incentives and there is no need for a wall.

[TheMan]

Illegal immigraton only benefits businesses and foreigners.

But the left cares more about being seen as sensitive and fitting in with the liberal mob than putting their foot down on a difficult issue for the good of the country.

Libs gonna lib. At least this Sanders fellow is giving a genuine opinion rather than pandering to his base of fools. Gotta respect that even if I disagree with much of his other policy ideas.
Conservatives, the shills of Corporate America, are thrilled illegals can be paid unliveable wages, while also driving down wages for Americans...so both parties are happy :confusedshrug:

[GreggPopazit]

If a Republican said that most of you would dismiss it an anti-Obama rhetoric. [

I have no problem with Republicans stating that unemployment rates are a problem. I do disagree when they blame Obama, act like Obama made it worse, and/or think the tax cuts for the rich will help (trickle down effect doesn't tend to happen, most just pocket the extra money).

[ThePhantomCreep]

The U6 rate includes marginally attached workers and those working part-time for economic reasons. How is it the "real" unemployment rate?

And Bernie needn't worry about the current epidemic in illegal immigration. It doesn't exist. In fact, the illegal population has declined by one million since 2007.

Don't expect it to shoot back up either--Mexico's birthrate is down to US/first world levels. Mexico will be experiencing a labor shortage in the coming years.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Conservatives, the shills of Corporate America, are thrilled illegals can be paid unliveable wages, while also driving down wages for Americans...so both parties are happy :confusedshrug:

So we are in agreement then. Politicians on both sides of the aisle, greedy cheap labor seeking Republican corporate shills and power seeking Democrats looking to expand their voting base with amnesty and lax immigration laws both need to be put in check. Right....?

After all if people flooding into America decreases the demand for unskilled labor so much, that businesses can pay whatever they want. Wages will stagnate and corporations will have an unlimited supply of bodies to fill part time positions. Simple supply and demand economics. Every conversation about labor wages should include a plan to keep immigration in line with job demand.

[HitandRun Reggie]

The U6 rate includes marginally attached workers and those working part-time for economic reasons. How is it the "real" unemployment rate?

And Bernie needn't worry about current epidemic in illegal immigration. It doesn't exist. In fact, the illegal population has declined by one million between 2007-2015.

Don't expect it to shoot back up either--Mexico's birthrate is down to US/first world levels. Mexico will be experiencing a labor shortage in the coming years.

And it needs to decline to the point where businesses can't fill all their positions with part time workers for minimum wage. That means deporting a fair percentage of people already here, mostly new illegals without a long residence history and ALL illegals, resident aliens, and those with work visas who commit crimes. It also means building a wall to make it more difficult for people to cross, punishing those businesses who do not verify residency, and NOT attempting to punish those that do, like in your home state.

And you might want to get with the times. Most illegals are coming from Central America not Mexico. In fact would that be considered "racist" to assume most illegals coming here will be Mexicans? :oldlol:

[ThePhantomCreep]

And it needs to decline to the point where businesses can't fill all their positions with part time workers for minimum wage. That means deporting a fair percentage of people already here, mostly new illegals without a long residence history and ALL illegals who commit crimes.

And you might want to get with the times. Most Hispanic illegals are coming from Central America not Mexico. In fact would that be considered "racist" to assume most illegals coming here will be Mexicans? :oldlol:

Link? I find this claim dubious. Even if true, it's a relative trickle compared to the surge of 1990-2005. Fertility rates in Central America aren't much higher than the US these days, so there won't be a massive influx of illegals from that part of the world either.

Bottom line: Donald Trump threw some fresh meat at the dumbass teabillies and they pounced on it like rabid dogs, but there is no mass influx of illegal immigrants flooding our borders.


The only issue is what to do with the undocumented workers currently here. I say deport the violent criminals and turn the rest into legal taxpayers, but good luck getting certain key industries (and the GOP) to go along with that.

[NumberSix]

Conservatives, the shills of Corporate America, are thrilled illegals can be paid unliveable wages, while also driving down wages for Americans...so both parties are happy :confusedshrug:
Conservatives =/= Republican Party.

The Republican Party unfortunately panders to corporate interests because those corporate interests fund their campaigns. Citizens who are on the political right are in no way in favor of this. The Republican Party is just a political party like any other. It's only real interest is the success of the party, not any set of ideas of principles. Yeah, they say what they need to say to get votes, but they don't actually represent "conservative" principles.

[NumberSix]

And it needs to decline to the point where businesses can't fill all their positions with part time workers for minimum wage. That means deporting a fair percentage of people already here, mostly new illegals without a long residence history and ALL illegals, resident aliens, and those with work visas who commit crimes. It also means building a wall to make it more difficult for people to cross, punishing those businesses who do not verify residency, and NOT attempting to punish those that do, like in your home state.

And you might want to get with the times. Most illegals are coming from Central America not Mexico. In fact would that be considered "racist" to assume most illegals coming here will be Mexicans? :oldlol:
Who cares? They still need to go through Mexico to get to America. The point still stands that a wall is needed on the Mexican border.

[sweggeh]

If someone with no understanding of English, no qualifications and no contacts can come into your country and dominate you in the jobseeking market, then Im sorry but you deserve to be unemployed and poor as ****.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Link? I find this claim dubious. Even if true, it's a relative trickle compared to the surge of 1990-2005. Fertility rates in Central America aren't much higher than the US these days, so there won't be a massive influx of illegals from that part of the world either.

Bottom line: Donald Trump threw some fresh meat at the dumbass teabillies and they pounced on it like rabid dogs, but there is no mass influx of illegal immigrants flooding our borders.


The only issue is what to do with the undocumented workers currently here. I say deport the violent criminals and turn the rest into legal taxpayers, but good luck getting certain key industries (and the GOP) to go along with that.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/19/us/dhs-immigration-statistics-2014/

Sure good ole Bernie says unskilled workers flooding into our country hurts jobs(duh a six year old could figure that out) and you ignore that, and start on Trump.

What problem do you have with ALL criminal immigrants being deported? If they are a drug trafficker, or have multiple theft or DUI convictions, why would we want them in this country, when there are millions who could take their place that would be more appreciative living in the most sought after destination on earth?


Who cares? They still need to go through Mexico to get to America. The point still stands that a wall is needed on the Mexican border.

The point that a wall needs to be constructed no matter who is coming over is absolutely correct. I was just addressing his point that just because Mexico's birthrate and domestic labor force is declining doesn't mean that illegal immigration will dramatically decline as well. Plus I couldn't pass on the opportunity to correct liberal in that assuming most illegals crossing over are Mexicans is very unPC(being facetious of course).

[RidonKs]

hard to discern between cuts to labour out of desperation and advanced productivity making labour obsolete

[christian1923]

What jobs are illegals taking that people actually want?

[UK2K]

What jobs are illegals taking that people actually want?

The ones that pay.

You should see our warehouse.

[Bandito]

If someone with no understanding of English, no qualifications and no contacts can come into your country and dominate you in the jobseeking market, then Im sorry but you deserve to be unemployed and poor as ****.
This guy must be the biggest moron here:lol

[TheMan]

The ones that pay.

You should see our warehouse.
Yeah because the illegal aliens strong armed their way into employment, right? It had nothing to do with your bosses wanting to pay for cheap labor...the poor guys :rolleyes:

When will the idiots on the right realize the real culprit is greedy corporate America HIRING illegal aliens? IF THERE ARE NO JOBS, ILLEGAL ALIENS WOULDN'T BE COMING OVER SINCE THERE WOULD BE NO POINT TO IT. But yeah, let's keep blaming them instead of the real culprits because it's cool to be racist :applause:

[KevinNYC]

The current unemployment rate is a joke

That article claims that using the U6 rather than the U3 unemployment rate "is a dose of reality that is like a wet blanket on President Obama’s recent claims that the economy is improving." And that is a thoroughly stupid claim.

The government publishes the U6 at the same time they publish the U3 and this data has been available for decades.

http://econbrowser.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/u3_u6_jul_15.png

They basically tell the same story. Unemployment started going up in late 2007, really went up in 2008 and shot up in 2009 at the depths of worldwide recession.

U3 is now 5.3% and U6 is now 10.5%. Both are way down from their peaks in late 2009 when U3 was 10% and U6 was 17.1 %. Both are not where they were in 2007.

So the U6 rate has come down even further.

There is still slack in the employment market. (I read about some recent studies that said with current demographics, we would need to be about 4.5% to feel a tight labor market which is lower than previously thought.) However it's straight up dishonest to claim the economy hasn't improved.

[KevinNYC]

There's nothing wrong with using U6 or U3 as long as you are making an apples to apples comparison. There's been a lot attempts recently to distort the unemployment numbers by making a u3 to u6 comparison, (http://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-u-6s-viewers-2012-9) but that's basically someone who is lying to you and hoping you're not sophisticated enough to catch it.

My read on this is Sanders is not misusing this data and Sanders himself does not claim that the current unemployment rate is a joke.

[KevinNYC]

There's been a lot attempts recently to distort the unemployment numbers by making a u3 to u6 comparison, (http://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-u-6s-viewers-2012-9) but that's basically someone who is lying to you and hoping you're not sophisticated enough to catch it.

And then there's Trump who just pulls (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/16/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-real-unemployment-rate-18-20-per/) numbers out of his ass. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/16/donald-trump-unemployment-rate-might-very-well-be-/)

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[UK2K]

Yeah because the illegal aliens strong armed their way into employment, right? It had nothing to do with your bosses wanting to pay for cheap labor...the poor guys :rolleyes:

When will the idiots on the right realize the real culprit is greedy corporate America HIRING illegal aliens? IF THERE ARE NO JOBS, ILLEGAL ALIENS WOULDN'T BE COMING OVER SINCE THERE WOULD BE NO POINT TO IT. But yeah, let's keep blaming them instead of the real culprits because it's cool to be racist :applause:

So your suggestion is eliminate jobs?

Or not hiring illegals in the first place?

Cause Im all on board for arresting and deporting every single illegal in this country.

[UK2K]

That article claims that using the U6 rather than the U3 unemployment rate "is a dose of reality that is like a wet blanket on President Obama’s recent claims that the economy is improving." And that is a thoroughly stupid claim.

The government publishes the U6 at the same time they publish the U3 and this data has been available for decades.

http://econbrowser.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/u3_u6_jul_15.png

They basically tell the same story. Unemployment started going up in late 2007, really went up in 2008 and shot up in 2009 at the depths of worldwide recession.

U3 is now 5.3% and U6 is now 10.5%. Both are way down from their peaks in late 2009 when U3 was 10% and U6 was 17.1 %. Both are not where they were in 2007.

So the U6 rate has come down even further.

There is still slack in the employment market. (I read about some recent studies that said with current demographics, we would need to be about 4.5% to feel a tight labor market which is lower than previously thought.) However it's straight up dishonest to claim the economy hasn't improved.

The economy improves on its own regardless.


As long as you don’t look too far into it, Thursday’s June jobs report looks like good news: The U.S. economy added 223,000 jobs, close to expectations, and the unemployment rate fell again, to 5.3 percent. So far, so good—still a slower recovery than anyone might like, but a recovery nonetheless.

The more concerning signs are hidden beneath the surface. Some people have been sounding the alarm about labor-participation rates for years now—Republicans tried, mostly unsuccessfully, to make them an issue in the 2012 election. But as several analysts have pointed out, the June rate of 62.6 percent is the lowest since October of 1977. The decline is part of a long-term trend, as this graph shows:

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2015/07/fredgraph/5992654e4.png

This means that 1/3 of people in this country 16 and over dont have jobs. Look to your left, look to your right, chances are one of you three dont have a job. There are more out of work people now, percentage wise, than the 70's.

Unemployment rate doesnt mean shit, and its a dishonest way to look at the economy since many unemployed people are included in the unemployment rate.

[KevinNYC]

Unemployment rate doesnt mean shit, and its a dishonest way to look at the economy

:roll:

:banana:

:lol

:oldlol:

[Droid101]

Unemployment rate doesnt mean shit, and its a dishonest way to look at the economy since many unemployed people are included in the unemployment rate.
Pure genius.

[UK2K]

Pure genius.
Aren't.

Typo. Cell phone.

You do know that many unemployed are not counted in the unemployment numbers, right?

That's why it's more important to see what percentage of the labor force (16 and over) are employed. Right now, its about 63%, meaning only 63% of those in this country over 16 have a job.

IOW, 93,000,000 people are not working. 93 million.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Bottom line: Donald Trump threw some fresh meat at the dumbass teabillies and they pounced on it like rabid dogs, but there is no mass influx of illegal immigrants flooding our borders.



It's funny that you brought Trump into this because him and Sanders share a lot of similarities.

On issues, there’s more overlap between the Republican billionaire Trump and the socialist anti-billionaire Sanders than you might expect.


On immigration, both Trump and Sanders sound restrictionist notes. Trump rose to political prominence in part with his comments accusing Mexico of sending criminals and rapists to the United States. Sanders warns that immigration depresses American wages and contributes to youth unemployment.

On trade, Sanders and Trump both oppose the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) that was one of President Clinton’s great achievements. Trump called NAFTA a "disaster" and Sanders described it as a scheme to allow "multinational corporations" to "exploit desperate third world workers." They also oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement. Hillary Clinton helped to craft that agreement as Secretary of State (though she has been noncommittal about it as a candidate). Governor Jeb Bush, by contrast, is a big supporter of free trade.

On guns, Sen. Sanders was initially elected to Congress with the support of the National Rifle Association. Pro-gun-control journalists denounce him as a "gun nut." Trump, likewise, has been running on what he describes as a strong pro-Second Amendment stance.

Even the personal lives of Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump have certain similarities.

Both are from the outer boroughs of New York City. Sanders is from Brooklyn; Trump, from Queens. Both are children of immigrants. Sanders’ father was born in Poland; Trump’s mother is from Scotland.

Neither candidate served in the Vietnam War. Trump had student deferments and a medical deferment. Sanders reportedly applied for conscientious objector status; by the time the application was rejected he was "too old to be drafted."

Trump is on his third marriage. Sanders is on his second marriage and has a son from a relationship with a third woman.

They both have gravity-defying hair. "Bernie Sanders has the best hair in Congress," Buzzfeed declares. "Bernie Sanders has amazing hair," The Washington Post concurs. The Daily Beast calls Donald Trump’s "the world’s most notorious male haircut." Compared to the "impeccably coiffed," Mitt Romney, who reportedly paid $70 for a trim, or the ever-changing hairstyles of Hillary Clinton, who recently got her cut at a Manhattan salon that charges $600, the flyaway comb-overs of Messrs. Sanders and Trump have at least the appearance of authenticity. That’s about as close as any politician can get to actual genuineness.

http://reason.com/archives/2015/08/10/bernie-sanders-and-donald-trump-ties

[TripleA]

So your suggestion is eliminate jobs?

Or not hiring illegals in the first place?

Cause Im all on board for arresting and deporting every single illegal in this country.

That would cost a shit ton of money getting all those people.:lol
The ****ed up thing is that in Portland all the farmers and meat plants
hire illegals and when they get caught they just deport them and get new illegals. I don't how many people in my middle school where children of illegal immigrants but the demographics were pretty crazy 40 percent hispanic, 35 percent white,15 percent black , 10 percent asian. The city I live in has a lot of hispanics like 25 percent.