if the bulls replaced dennis rodman from 06-08 with k-love. do they win 3 straight?

[kennethgriffin]

...assuming the bulls take love out of the post and tell him to play a steve kerr role and just shoot kick out threes?



rodman and thompson even without taking a single shot can impact the game enough to make the difference between winning and losing in the playoffs


each offensive rebound thats converted into a field goal by anyone on the floor should be credited as 2 points towards their box score


rodman averaged 4.4 ORPG ( playoffs 96-98 )
thompson averages 4.4 ORPG ( playoffs 2015 )


both tap rebounds to themselves farther from the net so they might put back 1 for themselves. then kick out the other 3



if the team scores... thats 6-9 more points on the board



thompsons average goes from 10ppg career ( playoffs ) up to 16-19ppg


theres a reason george karl said rodman was the reason chicago won in 1996.

its the same reason the cavs made the finals in 2015


and cleveland doesnt think its worth a max deal




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[Derka]

I don't want to take anything away from TT because he played as good of a series as you could ask him to play with a big uptick in minutes in the highest-stress situation a basketball player can be in.

That being said...the kid isn't worth $100 million just because he can rebound and has killer defensive aptitude. The Cavs lost the series because they couldn't score (among other things). TT doesn't help them even a little bit in that regard; the injured guy whose minutes he took does. He was an 8/8 guy in 26 minutes a night off the bench in the regular season and became a 10/10 guy in the playoffs with increased usage.

No, not paying that guy $100 million for intangibles and defense when the lack of offense is what cost my franchise a title. If its true that his agent told him to reject 5/$80 million...his agent needs a severe firing and possibly a beating.

[RidonKs]

love grapped 4.5 oboards a game in minnasota...

on their projected contracts, i'd take both thompson and rodman over love. but there's no question who is better. presumably you mean 96-98, in which case yes, with kevin love the bulls still win. though they probably would have found somebody other than luc longley.

[kennethgriffin]

love grapped 4.5 oboards a game in minnasota...

on their projected contracts, i'd take both thompson and rodman over love. but there's no question who is better. presumably you mean 96-98, in which case yes, with kevin love the bulls still win. though they probably would have found somebody other than luc longley.



he averaged 1.9 ORPG for the cavs this season



like i said... they turned him into steve kerr


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and i said assuming the bulls give k.love the same role as the cavs



do the bulls still win 3 straight titles playing like that?

[RRR3]

Kenneth is on fire lately.


He's back folks!


You thought he was washed up, but I told you haters Kenny had GOAT tier longevity! :applause:

[sdot_thadon]

I don't think so kenneth, they could but it wouldn't be as probable. The offense would be better for sure as Love would be another playmaking post option in the triangle. He couldn't be in the kickout and shoot Steve kerr role. We've been told too many times by the ultimate jordan security force that spacing didn't exist before lebron's era, nice try mj.:oldlol:

Bullshit aside the worst problem would be Love guarding Kemp, and Malone in the finals. Or better yet pitching in and guarding Shaq for stretches lol. That alone would be a serious blow to their title chances.

Oh and didn't you mean 96-98

[kennethgriffin]

I don't think so kenneth, they could but it wouldn't be as probable. The offense would be better for sure as Love would be another playmaking post option in the triangle. He couldn't be in the kickout and shoot Steve kerr role. We've been told too many times by the ultimate jordan security force that spacing didn't exist before lebron's era, nice try mj.:oldlol:

Bullshit aside the worst problem would be Love guarding Kemp, and Malone in the finals. Or better yet pitching in and guarding Shaq for stretches lol. That alone would be a serious blow to their title chances.

Oh and didn't you mean 96-98



duh


and youre correct. the bulls don't win jack shit


rodman was underpaid his whole career. and thompson will get his max contract somewhere else. then turn them into a contender a year later

[RidonKs]

he averaged 1.9 ORPG for the cavs this season



like i said... they turned him into steve kerr


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and i said assuming the bulls give k.love the same role as the cavs



do the bulls still win 3 straight titles playing like that?
mj is mj doe

[kennethgriffin]

mj is mj doe


yes. but most people with true knowledge of the game will tell you rodman was the real difference maker in the 1996 nba finals

he dominated the sonics while mj had an off series


and in 97 and 98 karl malone was the better player

winning mvp in 97 and absolutely being robbed for mvp in 98 when malone averaged 27/10/4/53%fgs on a 62-20 team ... to jordans 28/6/3/46%fgs on a 62-20 team



the sonics win in 97 if the bulls dont have rodman.. the jazz repeat back to back if the bulls dont have rodman

[Dragonyeuw]

winning mvp in 97 and absolutely being robbed for mvp in 98 when malone averaged 27/10/4/53%fgs on a 62-20 team ... to jordans 28/6/3/46%fgs on a 62-20 team




Pippen missed 35 games that year, and the Bulls still won 62. I'm guessing that had something to do with it.

[kennethgriffin]

Pippen missed 35 games that year, and the Bulls still won 62. I'm guessing that had something to do with it.


dwight missed a ton of games this year. they gave the mvp to curry


criteria? there is none. the media just gives it to the guy they like more


how many injuries did kobe and the lakers have to deal with in 2013?



meanwhile lebron coasts to the playoffs in the crap east

[ArbitraryWater]

Im not even sure what OP is asking here... his formulation is so horrible

[Dragonyeuw]

dwight missed a ton of games this year. they gave the mvp to curry


criteria? there is none. the media just gives it to the guy they like more


how many injuries did kobe and the lakers have to deal with in 2013?



meanwhile lebron coasts to the playoffs in the crap east

If it was down to who they liked more, how did Malone win in 97? If they liked MJ more in 97, shouldn't he have won it that year too?

Yes, MVP criteria is subjective. Nothing new under the sun....

[ShawkFactory]

dwight missed a ton of games this year. they gave the mvp to curry


criteria? there is none. the media just gives it to the guy they like more


how many injuries did kobe and the lakers have to deal with in 2013?



meanwhile lebron coasts to the playoffs in the crap east
Also clearly the best player int he game..

[kennethgriffin]

If it was down to who they liked more, how did Malone win in 97? If they liked MJ more in 97, shouldn't he have won it that year too?

Yes, MVP criteria is subjective. Nothing new under the sun....


the media gets bored of their own agendas sometimes



i think the media felt sorry for malone cause the bulls had an unfairly stacked roster and jordan just won mvp

[kennethgriffin]

Also clearly the best player int he game..


that has nothing to do with the mvp award though

atleast thats what they told kobe in 2006

[ShawkFactory]

that has nothing to do with the mvp award though

atleast thats what they told kobe in 2006
Yea but his team won 66 games, including 27 in a row.

Had 7 straight games of 30+ on 60%+.

When comparing Kobe and Lebron, Michael Jordan stated that in terms of dominating the game of basketball its Lebron James. Barkley said he never thought he'd see someone dominate games the way Jordan did until he saw Lebron that season.

Hit game winners out the ass.

Had 120 of the 121 first place votes.

I could keep going.

2013 was about as much of a no-brainer as it gets.

[kennethgriffin]

Yea but his team won 66 games, including 27 in a row.

Had 7 straight games of 30+ on 60%+.

When comparing Kobe and Lebron, Michael Jordan stated that in terms of dominating the game of basketball its Lebron James. Barkley said he never thought he'd see someone dominate games the way Jordan did until he saw Lebron that season.

Hit game winners out the ass.

Had 120 of the 121 first place votes.

I could keep going.

2013 was about as much of a no-brainer as it gets.


so is it about being the best player or having the best team?

cause curry wasnt the best player this season. there was arguably 3-4 guys who are better overall players

[Thorpesaurous]

I don't think so because they just would've given up too much defensively, especially during an era where the rules were such, and the players were there to take advantage, of the sort of post defense he'd be asked to play.

But in general he would've been a killer piece in the triangle of that era. He would've played Center and crushed spreading the weakside of the floor in an era where you couldn't cheat, you had to double all the way. He basically would've been Mecha-Bill-Wennington, which is in no way an insult.

But they still would've had to have found a PF who could help them defensively.

I'm not a fan of those Bull teams, but I do think they're the most interesting case of team construction that I know of.

[3ball]

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in an era where you couldn't cheat, you had to double all the way.



Spacing CREATES THE NEED to cheat halfway.

But when you DON'T have the spacing, defenders are in closer proximity - the close proximity allows defenders to cheat halfway just by playing regular man-to-man defense and sagging off their man.

See the GIFs above where playing halfway is already occurring - defenders are in close proximity for easier help defense than today's game.. In today's game, defenders must come from a further distance, even if they are playing halfway.





crushed spreading the weakside of the floor


Unfortunately, Love would NOT have provided weakside spacing for the Bulls because teams didn't DO THAT back then, other than random or one-offs - weakside spacing was never as an ongoing strategy like today.

In today's game, weakside spacing is a staple of every team's floor-spreading strategy, so they can reduce the number of strongside defenders.. But in the Bulls era, teams didn't space the weakside, so Love wouldn't be doing that back then, just like Reggie Miller didn't do that.. Reggie ran off screens - he wasn't stationed behind the 3-point line waiting on a neatly-spaced drive and kick like today.

[ShawkFactory]

so is it about being the best player or having the best team?

cause curry wasnt the best player this season. there was arguably 3-4 guys who are better overall players
Some combination of both. Curry was a top 5 player on a 67 win team. You could have justified giving it to Harden but Curry was certainly deserving as well. Unlike 2013, this last year was not a no-brainer.

In 13 Bran was the easily best player AND had the best team. Thus why he had 120 of 121 possible first place votes. The other one was some guy (probably from NY) who voted for Carmelo.

Really not that hard to figure out. Obviously there are arbitrary aspects of it but generally the MVP has been deserved 90% of the time.

[kennethgriffin]

Some combination of both. Curry was a top 5 player on a 67 win team. You could have justified giving it to Harden but Curry was certainly deserving as well. Unlike 2013, this last year was not a no-brainer.

In 13 Bran was the easily best player AND had the best team. Thus why he had 120 of 121 possible first place votes. The other one was some guy (probably from NY) who voted for Carmelo.

Really not that hard to figure out. Obviously there are arbitrary aspects of it but generally the MVP has been deserved 90% of the time.


then why didnt magic or bird win it in 1988?


the bulls werent a top 5 team. magic and bird were both top 3 players with the best teams record wise from each conference


i think chicago was tied for 7th best record

its obvious the media weighs the "player" aspect and "team" aspect differently depending on who they want to win mvp

[ShawkFactory]

then why didnt magic or bird win it in 1988?


the bulls werent a top 5 team. magic and bird were both top 3 players with the best teams record wise from each conference


i think chicago was tied for 7th best record

its obvious the media weighs the "player" aspect and "team" aspect differently depending on who they want to win mvp
Well Magic won it the year before and his numbers dipped quite a bit in every aspect, so him not winning is reasonable.

Bird definitely could have won it and no one would have batted an eyelash.

Jordan was deserving however. 35/6/5 on 54% and led the league in steals. His unbelievable individual dominance meant more to many voters than the 7 wins the Celtics had over the Bulls. He wasn't dominating on a first-round fodder type of team. And from an individual standpoint it was one of the most dominant seasons of the modern era.

But again, the voting was not even close to unanimous that year. Magic and Bird were well respresented.

[kennethgriffin]

Well Magic won it the year before and his numbers dipped quite a bit in every aspect, so him not winning is reasonable.

Bird definitely could have won it and no one would have batted an eyelash.

Jordan was deserving however. 35/6/5 on 54% and led the league in steals. His unbelievable individual dominance meant more to many voters than the 7 wins the Celtics had over the Bulls. He wasn't dominating on a first-round fodder type of team. And from an individual standpoint it was one of the most dominant seasons of the modern era.

But again, the voting was not even close to unanimous that year. Magic and Bird were well respresented.


then why didnt kobe win it in 2003

duncan won it a year before like magic

duncans numbers dipped a bit from the year before

duncan won the title in 2003 like magic did in 88 but people still say jordan was deserving on a 50 win team cause he averaged better numbers than magic or bird


kobe averaged 30/7/6 ( also with 1st team all defense ) on a 50-32 team same as MJ in 1988

- 9 straight 40 point games
- 12 threes in a game
- 2 months with 40+ppg
- shaq hurt all year, foot problem



is it cause he lost a few games with the 1 other good player on the team injured at the start of the year?

meh...


jordan didnt deserve it man. quit it

[Thorpesaurous]

Spacing CREATES THE NEED to cheat halfway.

But when you DON'T have the spacing, defenders are in closer proximity - the close proximity allows defenders to cheat halfway just by playing regular man-to-man defense and sagging off their man.

See the GIFs above where playing halfway is already occurring - defenders are in close proximity for easier help defense than today's game, where defenders must come from a further distance, even if they are playing halfway.



Unfortunately, Love would NOT have provided weakside spacing for the Bulls because teams didn't DO THAT back then, other than random or one-offs - weakside spacing was never as an ongoing strategy like today.

In today's game, weakside spacing is a staple of every team's floor-spreading strategy, so they can reduce the number of strongside defenders.. But in the Bulls era, teams didn't space the weakside, so Love wouldn't be doing that back then, just like Reggie Miller didn't do that.. Reggie ran off screens - he wasn't stationed behind the 3-point line waiting on a neatly-spaced drive and kick like today.


Teams absolutely did that, and one team in particular, the Bulls did it to the point of obnoxiousness. It is really about 90% the point of the triangle. Your running a post offense with three strong side players. The post sits further from the center line than a typical post arrangement, to allow for cuts on the strong side, and to create more room from the weak side defenders. Especially in the Bull version, the Laker version with Shaq naturally sat deeper. And it's talked about constantly if you ever check out any of Tex Winter's wet dream diatribes about Bill Walton, which are really fun if you dig Walton. And it's the reason why The Bull title teams feature nominal PGs like John Paxson, BJ Armstrong, Steve Kerr, Craig Hodges, and a variety of other guys who are really floor spacing spot shooters, not guys running off of horns like Reggie Miller. And it's the reason Wennington existed on that team even though no one else in the league really had any use for him. And the extra evidence comes from Phil Jaxson's press conferences after losses. I swear the casual NBA fan barely knew Illegal Defense even existed until those Bull teams, because Phil would spend in game griping, and in media griping, with constant bullying about Illegal Defense. It practically ground the game to a halt because up until that time in the early 80s, the Illegal D was treated for extreme cases. Phil had it getting called for a guys foot touching the paint from the weakside like it was an out of bounds situation.

[ShawkFactory]

then why didnt kobe win it in 2003

duncan won it a year before like magic

duncans numbers dipped a bit from the year before

duncan won the title in 2003 like magic did in 88 but people still say jordan was deserving on a 50 win team cause he averaged better numbers than magic or bird


kobe averaged 30/7/6 ( also with 1st team all defense ) on a 50-32 team same as MJ in 1988

- 9 straight 40 point games
- 12 threes in a game
- 2 months with 40+ppg
- shaq hurt all year, foot problem



is it cause he lost a few games with the 1 other good player on the team injured at the start of the year?

meh...


jordan didnt deserve it man. quit it
Well...

A) Kobe's individual dominance was not on the same level as Jordan in 88. Say what you want about a few games where Kobe got hot but Jordan was dominant offensively the entire year AND was the DPOY.

B) Duncan led the Spurs to 60 wins while shouldering a tremendous load. The second best player on the team was 20-year-old Parker. Many thought he also should have been DPOY, as he held down the center on the leagues 3rd best defense.

C) Duncan's scoring went down 2 PPG, literally all of his other numbers were better. Magic went down significantly in scoring (about 5 ppg) and down in every other area as well.

D) Kobe had another guy averaging 28/11 on his team. Jordan's next highest scorer was 13 PPG.

E) Shaq missed the first 11 games...and the Lakers go 3-8 with kobe leading the way. Went 6-10 without Shaq for the season.

F) Kobe did not have 2 40 point months.

EDIT: Also another factor in Jordan winning MVP in 1988 was the fact that the Bulls finished out the season 19-6 with Jordan averaging 37/7/6. That is taken into account as well. Everything is context.

[kennethgriffin]

Well...

A) Kobe's individual dominance was not on the same level as Jordan in 88. Say what you want about a few games where Kobe got hot but Jordan was dominant offensively the entire year AND was the DPOY.

B) Duncan led the Spurs to 60 wins while shouldering a tremendous load. The second best player on the team was 20-year-old Parker. Many thought he also should have been DPOY, as he held down the center on the leagues 3rd best defense.

C) Duncan's scoring went down 2 PPG, literally all of his other numbers were better. Magic went down significantly in scoring (about 5 ppg) and down in every other area as well.

D) Kobe had another guy averaging 28/11 on his team. Jordan's next highest scorer was 13 PPG.

E) Shaq missed the first 11 games...and the Lakers go 3-8 with kobe leading the way. Went 6-10 without Shaq for the season.

F) Kobe did not have 2 40 point months.



a) so it IS mainly individual performance now? what about team?

b) 60 wins? i thought it was about individual performance. now its about team wins again? lakers had 62 wins in 1988

c) now its about points? why did magic ever win a single mvp then ... oh yeah because hes a PG... nash won mvp averaging 15ppg.. know why? he had a ton of assists like magic johnson. .... magic had a ton of help? so did nash and lebron on miami

d) tons of players have won mvp with elite sidekicks. why cant kobe? ( magic won mvp with kareem, worthy etc.. bird with mchale/parish.. jordan with scottie/dennis ... lebron with wade/bosh ) and if you single out duncan as deserving it more cause he had less help. i bet another mvp candidate had less help when curry won, when lebron won, when jordan won in 96 or 98 etc...

e)


my bad.. 1 month of 40ppg

2003 february average = 40.6ppg


and you know whats funny. kobe has more 40 point games in that one season ( 19 ) than duncan has in his career ( 5 )



keep flip flopping criteria to fit your agenda. youre no better than the media



just when you think youve got the answers. i change the questions" - roddy piper

[ShawkFactory]

a) so it IS mainly individual performance now? what about team?

b) 60 wins? i thought it was about individual performance. now its about team wins again? lakers had 62 wins in 1988

c) now its about points? why did magic ever win a single mvp then ... oh yeah because hes a PG... nash won mvp averaging 15ppg.. know why? he had a ton of assists like magic johnson. .... magic had a ton of help? so did nash and lebron on miami

d) tons of players have won mvp with elite sidekicks. why cant kobe? ( magic won mvp with kareem, worthy etc.. bird with mchale/parish.. jordan with scottie/dennis ... lebron with wade/bosh ) and if you single out duncan as deserving it more cause he had less help. i bet another mvp candidate had less help when curry won, when lebron won, when jordan won in 96 or 98 etc...

e)


my bad.. 1 month of 40ppg

2003 february average = 40.6ppg


and you know whats funny. kobe has more 40 point games in that one season ( 19 ) than duncan has in his career ( 5 )



keep flip flopping criteria to fit your agenda. youre no better than the media



just when you think youve got the answers. i change the questions" - roddy piper
I'm not flip-flopping criteria. You're just missing the point...that everything comes into play in a particular season. You're comparing Kobe in 2003 to Jordan in 1988 without a semblance of context. Not that I would expect anything different.

[kennethgriffin]

I'm not flip-flopping criteria. You're just missing the point...that everything comes into play in a particular season. You're comparing Kobe in 2003 to Jordan in 1988 without a semblance of context. Not that I would expect anything different.


oh i got the point

its crystal clear

you say whatever fits your agenda


if i argue individual. you push team. if i push team. you say individual. if i say assists you say points. youl say mj deserved it for having less help in 88 but then defend his mvps with pippen and rodman. you take credit away for one thing then use the same thing as a positive for a different instance. youre a jordan nutthugging flip flopper

jordan was NOT mvp in 1988

or jordan was NOT mvp in 1998

he robbed 2 mvps

you can argue he had too much help in 1996 too

jordan has 3 legit mvps. and if you wanna say those other 3 are legit then you could give kobe a few more under the same bias media bullsh*t


fact is if kobe had the name michael jordan he gets allot more love.


thats all it is.. media love. people vote for who they like. period. why wouldnt they... i'd do the same

everyones a fan if they work in the game writing about basketball. they got there for a reason

it wasnt by being UNBIASED and UNMOVED by the game of basketball..

[ShawkFactory]

oh i got the point

its crystal clear

you say whatever fits your agenda


if i argue individual. you push team. if i push team. you say individual. if i say assists you say points. youl say mj deserved it for having less help in 88 but then defend his mvps with pippen and rodman. you take credit away for one thing then use the same thing as a positive for a different instance. youre a jordan nutthugging flip flopper

jordan was NOT mvp in 1988

or jordan was NOT mvp in 1998

he robbed 2 mvps

you can argue he had too much help in 1996 too

jordan has 3 legit mvps. and if you wanna say those other 3 are legit then you could give kobe a few more under the same bias media bullsh*t


fact is if kobe had the name michael jordan he gets allot more love.


thats all it is.. media love. people vote for who they like. period. why wouldnt they... i'd do the same

everyones a fan if they work in the game writing about basketball. they got there for a reason

it wasnt by being UNBIASED and UNMOVED by the game of basketball..
Because there IS NO SET CRITERIA. Sometimes it's a great player on an even greater team. Sometimes it's an incredible player on a great team. I'm not pushing anything. At the end of each season, there's usually a few guys you can argue. If Bird had won there year no one would say anything. Just like no one says anything that Jordan won. Again, you're ignoring context of anything. Taking in context...Jordan had a stronger case in 88 than Kobe did in 03 or 06. Sorry if that offends you.

If it was all about media love Jordan would have more than 5 MVPs.

Just a butthurt Kobe Stan.

[kennethgriffin]

Because there IS NO SET CRITERIA. Sometimes it's a great player on an even greater team. Sometimes it's an incredible player on a great team. I'm not pushing anything. At the end of each season, there's usually a few guys you can argue. If Bird had won there year no one would say anything. Just like no one says anything that Jordan won. Again, you're ignoring context of anything.

If it was all about media love Jordan would have more than 5 MVPs.

Just a butthurt Kobe Stan.


finally you get it


it changes to fit whomever the media wants to win.. thats the point i was trying to make. THERE IS NO SET CRITERIA


yet youre giving biased examples on why jordan won in 88 over magic or bird.. as if youre reasoning was the criteria.. but even you dont know what the f*ck it was


:oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

finally you get it


it changes to fit whomever the media wants to win.. thats the point i was trying to make. THERE IS NO SET CRITERIA


yet youre giving biased examples on why jordan won in 88 over magic or bird.. as if youre reasoning was the criteria.. but even you dont know what the f*ck it was


:oldlol:
It changes based on how the season is played out.

And he did win it...so obviously my criteria isn't too far off. Averaging 37 a game while your team finishes 19-6 is strong...and something you're ignoring :lol

If the Lakers had won 50 games in 2006 and finished the year as strongly with Kobe dominating then he might just have won.

Again, you're just a butthurt Kobe Stan. You think you're exposing a double standard with Jordan but you're really just coming across as a whiny bitch who can't actually analyze context properly.

[Fallen Angel]

Dennis Rodman in 06-08 sure was a helluva player

[kennethgriffin]

It changes based on how the season is played out.

And he did win it...so obviously my criteria isn't too far off. Averaging 37 a game while your team finishes 19-6 is strong...and something you're ignoring :lol

If the Lakers had won 50 games in 2006 and finished the year as strongly with Kobe dominating then he might just have won.

Again, you're just a butthurt Kobe Stan. You think you're exposing a double standard with Jordan but you're really just coming across as a whiny bitch who can't actually analyze context properly.


your criteria is too specific


to say a guy had to average 37 and finish 19-6 basically means only 1 guy in nba history was ever deserving of mvp

youre worse than espn

cherry picking specific crap to fit your agenda

[ShawkFactory]

your criteria is too specific


to say a guy had to average 37 and finish 19-6 basically means only 1 guy in nba history was ever deserving of mvp

youre worse than espn

cherry picking specific crap to fit your agenda
:facepalm

It means he was deserving in that particular season that he accomplished that. Its a level of dominance that showed to close out the season and put his team in a good position for the playoffs.

Just stop.

[kennethgriffin]

:facepalm

It means he was deserving in that particular season that he accomplished that. Its a level of dominance that showed to close out the season and put his team in a good position for the playoffs.

Just stop.


You dont make any sense

So in order to win mvp in the year 1988 you need to have 35+ppg... that alone is the 1988 criteria and all the other times a player has done it and didnt win mvp it was because the 1988 criteria didnt apply.

:roll:


Wilt averaged 50 and didnt win mvp

[ShawkFactory]

You dont make any sense

So in order to win mvp in the year 1988 you need to have 35+ppg... that alone is the 1988 criteria and all the other times a player has done it and didnt win mvp it was because the 1988 criteria didnt apply.

:roll:


Wilt averaged 50 and didnt win mvp
OMG. Like a goddamn brick wall

[TheBigVeto]

Yes of course. The Bulls were stacked and Kevin Love is an MVP-level player.

[poido123]

Probably one or two, but not 3 straight.


Rod man filled important holes for that team and did the dirty work. He was also pivotal in getting opposition players off their game, which love could not do.

[I<3NBA]

they tried to turn K. Love into Bosh, not Steve Kerr.

[kennethgriffin]

they tried to turn K. Love into Bosh, not Steve Kerr.


you act like bosh wasnt taking steve kerr shots aswell



bosh averaged 1 offensive rebound and 3 3pt attempts in miami

3 orpg and 0.3 3pt attempts per game in toronto

:lol

[I<3NBA]

you act like bosh wasnt taking steve kerr shots aswell



bosh averaged 1 offensive rebound and 3 3pt attempts in miami

3 orpg and 0.3 3pt attempts per game in toronto

:lol
Bosh was a stretch 4. not a 3 pt specialist (as was Kerr). i know you're retarded and can't appreciate the difference. but there is.

Bosh still guarded the other team's PF. Kerr guarded his opposing position.

Bosh was good defensively. that's what the Cavs tried to do to K. Love. turn him into a stretch 4. unfortunately, K. Love can't replicate Bosh's defense.

[kennethgriffin]

Bosh was a stretch 4. not a 3 pt specialist (as was Kerr). i know you're retarded and can't appreciate the difference. but there is.

Bosh still guarded the other team's PF. Kerr guarded his opposing position.

Bosh was good defensively. that's what the Cavs tried to do to K. Love. turn him into a stretch 4. unfortunately, K. Love can't replicate Bosh's defense.

kerr averaged 2 less three point attempts per game than bosh took with miami

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and per 36minutes kerr only averaged 0.5 less offensive rebounds

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