Scientists: The Universe is Slowly Dying

[DonDadda59]

Having an existential crisis, bruhs. Nothing matters. Nothing will exist one day. :(


'The Universe is slowly dying,' study shows with unprecedented precision

(CNN)Goodbye, universe. You came in with the biggest bang ever, but now, you're on your way out with a drooping fizzle.

The conclusion of a new astronomical study pulls no punches on this. "The Universe is slowly dying," it reads.

Astronomers have believed as much for years, but the new findings establish the cosmos' decline with unprecedented precision.

An international team of some 100 scientists used data from the world's most powerful telescopes -- based on land and in space -- to study energy coming from more than 200,000 galaxies in a large sliver of the observable universe.

Based on those observations, they have confirmed the cosmos is radiating only half as much energy as it was 2 billion years ago. The astronomers published their study on Monday on the website of the European Southern Observatory.

The team checked the energy across a broad spectrum of lightwaves and other electromagnetic radiation and says it is fading through all wavelengths, from ultraviolet to far infrared.


'A cold, dark and desolate place'

At the ripe old age of nearly 13.8 billion years, the universe has arrived in its sunset years.

"The universe has basically sat down on the sofa, pulled up a blanket and is about to nod off for an eternal doze," said astronomer Simon Driver, who led the team.

Death does not mean the universe will go away. It will still be there, but its stars and all else that produces light and stellar fire will fizzle out.

"It will just grow old forever, slowly converting less and less mass into energy as billions of years pass by until eventually, it will become a cold, dark and desolate place, where all of the lights go out," said astronomer Luke Davies.

But don't cry for the universe anytime soon. Astrophysicists say this will take trillions of years.

Bursting with energy

Go all the way back to its birth, and you find a vast contrast. In an infinitesimal fraction of a second, our entire cosmos blasted into existence in the Big Bang.

And the totality of the energy and mass in the universe originates from that moment, astronomers say.

Since that natal explosion, the cosmos has generated other sources of brilliant radiation -- most notably stars -- by converting some of the mass into energy when extreme gravity causes matter to burst into nuclear fusion.

But the universe is speckled by radiance from seething gas clouds, supernovas and, most spectacularly, the discs of hot matter that rotate around black holes to form quasars, which can be as bright as whole galaxies.

"While most of the energy sloshing around in the universe arose in the aftermath of the Big Bang, additional energy is constantly being generated by stars as they fuse elements like hydrogen and helium together," Driver said.

Fizzling into space

The size and number of those sources of radiation so boggle the mind that it might be hard to imagine that the entirety of that vividness appears to be fading, as its energy flies off through space.

"This new energy is either absorbed by dust as it travels through the host galaxy, or escapes into intergalactic space and travels until it hits something, such as another star, a planet, or, very occasionally, a telescope mirror," Driver said.

His team observed it from seven of the world's mammoth telescopes spread out between Australia, the United States, Chile and Earth's orbit. Many of the instruments specialize in receiving certain wavelengths of light and other electromagnetic waves.

Compiling the data from the collective wavelengths gives the scientists a more complete picture from across a broad spectrum of energy.

Their findings on the universe's energy slump were part of the larger Galaxy And Mass Assembly, or GAMA, project to study how galaxies are formed. It has mapped out the position of 4 million galaxies so far.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/us/universe-dying/index.html

The Universe's Theme Song Right Now (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icC4O5mq_-4) :cry:

[Alamо]

The Humans did this

[ZeN]

Crunch

[ISHGoat]

thanks Obama

[#number6ix#]

Yolo

[Patrick Chewing]

Because of Climate Change.

[KingBeasley08]

Thanks God


In all seriousness doe, that's pretty insane. A Universe with basically nothing in it.. Shows us how small we really are in the end

[DonDadda59]

Don't think that's really what the universe is less energetic than it once was means.

Check out the big brain on Magna. Where'd you get your Universe shit degree?

[KNOW1EDGE]

Everything that is alive is slowly dying.

I am slowly dying.

The tree in my backyard is slowly dying

My love for this site is slowly dying

Not breaking news

[Patrick Chewing]

Shows us how small we really are in the end


But we are wise beyond all imagination and expectations. If we are so infinitesimal in the end, then how is humanity capable of being so self-aware and of uncovering such mysteries as the life and death of the universe?

I don't think it was just by happenstance.

[~primetime~]

Doesn't Hawking have the theory that the Universe will eventually collapse again, and the Big Bang will repeat? And that ultimately the Big Bang repeats for eternity?

[DonDadda59]

I don't think it was just by happenstance.

But it was.

Ignorance is bliss. How I envy a flower.

[ImmortalNemesis]

The universe slowly dies as ISH slowly dies. Jeff owns ISH. Jeff is a Jew.

Conclusion:


http://i.imgur.com/h8MtF.gif

[DonDadda59]

The universe slowly dies as ISH slowly dies. Jeff owns ISH. Jeff is a Jew.

Conclusion:


http://i.imgur.com/h8MtF.gif

Reported.

[KingBeasley08]

But we are wise beyond all imagination and expectations. If we are so infinitesimal in the end, then how is humanity capable of being so self-aware and of uncovering such mysteries as the life and death of the universe?

I don't think it was just by happenstance.
I honestly do. Think how large the Universe is. We're so small I can't even describe. Imagine a single quark inside a proton inside an atom to the entire Earth. That's what we basically are.

When you consider how big the Universe is, life isn't even that surprising. Yeah, it requires a certain set of conditions but when you look at how big it is, probability figures at some point, it will happen.

That's what I think we are. Luck. 99.99% of the Universe is crazy shiz. We are the .1% life that was created.

Crazy shit is that Universe is so big that the .1% probably means there are other forms of life out there but billions of light years away

[~primetime~]

I honestly do. Think how large the Universe is. We're so small I can't even describe. Imagine a single quark inside a proton inside an atom to the entire Earth. That's what we basically are.

When you consider how big the Universe is, life isn't even that surprising. Yeah, it requires a certain set of conditions but when you look at how big it is, probability figures at some point, it will happen.

That's what I think we are. Luck. 99.99% of the Universe is crazy shiz. We are the .1% life that was created.

Crazy shit is that Universe is so big that the .1% probably means there are other forms of life out there but billions of light years away

I don't care that you think the universe is pure 'luck', but how big we are in scale in relation to other things has nothing to do with anything. I mean if humans were 1000x larger would it really effect your opinion?

[DonDadda59]

Don't know if they even still show that display/video, but if you're ever in NYC check out the Scale of the Universe video at the Natural Museum of History.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U

[Akrazotile]

I honestly do. Think how large the Universe is. We're so small I can't even describe. Imagine a single quark inside a proton inside an atom to the entire Earth. That's what we basically are.

When you consider how big the Universe is, life isn't even that surprising. Yeah, it requires a certain set of conditions but when you look at how big it is, probability figures at some point, it will happen.

That's what I think we are. Luck. 99.99% of the Universe is crazy shiz. We are the .1% life that was created.

Crazy shit is that Universe is so big that the .1% probably means there are other forms of life out there but billions of light years away



Are #WeALLone with the other lifeforms out there?

I would tend to think so since #EveryoneIsTheExactSame

[Akrazotile]

Don't know if they even still show that display/video, but if you're ever in NYC check out the Scale of the Universe video at the Natural Museum of History.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U


Why dont you ****ing come down to Austin Texas and lets make some shorts bro, what is the ****ing DEAL

[Godzuki]

so there is a limit to the creation of everything. even celestial objects all die and don't reproduce endlessly. i wonder if the universe contracts into nothingness at that point...

its interesting how that seems to be the rule of everything on every scale in every facet.

[KingBeasley08]

I don't care that you think the universe is pure 'luck', but how big we are in scale in relation to other things has nothing to do with anything. I mean if humans were 1000x larger would it really effect your opinion?
When I'm bringing up size, I'm talking about probability. Comparing us or even the Earth to the Universe shows that our existence doesn't have to be planned. It could easily just be a one in a billion chance that went right. And since the Universe is so vast, that one in a billion chance happened

[FKAri]

Misleading title. Clickbait for the public who is not aware of entropy. But what's most strange is that quote in there about how the universe is in its "twilight years". Uh the epoch of the stars is much, much longer than the current age of the universe so we're in a baby universe if anything.

[~primetime~]

When I'm bringing up size, I'm talking about probability. Comparing us or even the Earth to the Universe shows that our existence doesn't have to be planned. It could easily just be a one in a billion chance that went right. And since the Universe is so vast, that one in a billion chance happened
The laws of this universe are the same throughout...doesn't matter how 'vast' it is. It is those laws that went 'right'. Gravity, Light, Time, etc

I don't want to try and convince you of anything, I just don't think some people understand that "hey look at how tiny the Earth is!" means jack shit in relation to a designer. As though if this universe and it's laws were designed the architects definitely would have just made one single star and not trillions of stars full of all different types of life.

[Akrazotile]

Misleading title. Clickbait for the public who is not aware of entropy. But what's most strange is that quote in there about how the universe is in its "twilight years". Uh the epoch of the stars is much, much longer than the current age of the universe so we're in a baby universe if anything.


Yep. The article nicely snuck in the fact that this is literally trillions of years away at minimum. And none of this is news.

This feels like the kind of publicity announcement that gets made every so often to justify their funding.

[gigantes]

Doesn't Hawking have the theory that the Universe will eventually collapse again, and the Big Bang will repeat? And that ultimately the Big Bang repeats for eternity?
i think that was more of a widely held theory than specific to hawking.

but we now know that 'the big collapse' is probably not going to happen due to all parts of the universe accelerating away from each other faster and faster.

the 'big bang' theory itself has also lost traction. there may not have been a big bang at all, and there are other mainstream theories to explain why things are the way they are.

anyway, at this point it looks like we are in for 'the big rip' in around... 17b yrs IIRC. that's when the velocity of expansion becomes so great that the four elemental forces of nature will no longer govern.



The laws of this universe are the same throughout...doesn't matter how 'vast' it is. It is those laws that went 'right'. Gravity, Light, Time, etc
actually i believe current research has found that they are more fluid than previously thought.

as velocity and distance increases, these values may shift to some extent.

[Dresta]

Most of that article is rather empty conjecture. They made a finding, but then for some reason need to extrapolate it to declare they know things they could not possible know

Our ignorance of dark matter and dark energy make the end-game conclusions of these scientists not much more than guesswork (nor do the '100 scientists' necessarily share the opinions of Mr. Driver & Davies, who are adding their own spin to the matter). The actual finding was that:


An international team of some 100 scientists used data from the world's most powerful telescopes -- based on land and in space -- to study energy coming from more than 200,000 galaxies in a large sliver of the observable universe.

Based on those observations, they have confirmed the cosmos is radiating only half as much energy as it was 2 billion years ago. The astronomers published their study on Monday on the website of the European Southern Observatory.

The team checked the energy across a broad spectrum of lightwaves and other electromagnetic radiation and says it is fading through all wavelengths, from ultraviolet to far infrared.

That is what they discovered. They don't know much more than that, and they aren't exactly theoretical physicists, so assuming their guesses are correct is foolish.

You also ought not to forget that they say these sorts of things because it will get their work media exposure.

'Universe radiating less energy' isn't gonna get on CNN, and be reported to ISHs by DonDadda.

Doesn't Hawking have the theory that the Universe will eventually collapse again, and the Big Bang will repeat? And that ultimately the Big Bang repeats for eternity?
It is essentially a very old idea:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return


And has some traction in contemporary physics:

http://phys.org/news/2015-03-universe-brink-collapse-cosmological-timescale.html

[nightprowler10]

How is this so different than the 'heat death of the universe' theory?

[DonDadda59]

Why dont you ****ing come down to Austin Texas and lets make some shorts bro, what is the ****ing DEAL

I don't know shit about no Austin Texas and I don't wanna know shit about no Austin Texas :whatever:

Plus Lamar Doom already made some lucrative overtures to try to entice me to bring my talents to Venice Beach. So if you've got an offer, I've got ears...

[Akrazotile]

I don't know shit about no Austin Texas and I don't wanna know shit about no Austin Texas :whatever:

Plus Lamar Doom already made some lucrative overtures to try to entice me to bring my talents to Venice Beach. So if you've got an offer, I've got ears...


Okay, fine.

I will DOUBLE what he's offering you to go out there.

I will give you TWO vegan burritos to gtfo here and get some video thangs poppin.

And I will match whatever weed stipend he has promised you.

[GIF REACTION]

Over here! Akrazotile! Over here!

I'm over here!

Did you get my PM?

[Angel Face]

Damn! Jesus ran out of batteries.

[Akrazotile]

Over here! Akrazotile! Over here!

I'm over here!

Did you get my PM?


I have a strict policy of only checking my PM's on the first Thursday of every month. So it'll be a little bit before I get a chance to check it out.

How you been pal? :cheers: <---- uhh thats supposed to be the cheers icon. Not sure why thr crying one is coming up.

Kings lookin intriguing this year. Who packs the heaviest heat on that team anyway? They look like they got a few big boys over there. Is it possible they have TOO many alphas?? :eek:

[Nick Young]

Death and rebirth brah. The Buddha predicted this shit thousands of years before these scientists did.:facepalm

[Jameerthefear]

i realized the scale of the universe when i was watching gurren lagann
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/hiro150106/other/gurren27_017.jpg
n*gga was throwing around galaxies n shit. altering reality

[bdreason]

We've known this for a long time.

[DonDadda59]

We've known this for a long time.

On some Illuminati bullshit :coleman:

[Alamо]

The universe was supposed to end in 2012 but God said it wasn't time yet



God :bowdown:

[Alamо]

i realized the scale of the universe when i was watching gurren lagann
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/hiro150106/other/gurren27_017.jpg
n*gga was throwing around galaxies n shit. altering reality



SSJ2 Goku >

[MMM]

what happens to the matter in black holes when everything else fizzles out???

[Nick Young]

what happens to the matter in black holes when everything else fizzles out???
:no:
In my country, Europe, the correct term is African American holes.

[ArbitraryWater]

I just cant imagine all this perfection on Earth and in Galaxy without a creator... just one big bang?

I mean, what would be there without us? Cant imagine it... when does the Universe end? There is no wall at any point in the sky.. and even if there would, whats beyond it? Shits scary to think about...

Reincarnation, if you believe in it, living is an endless cycle for eternity... never stops, never settles...

You always live, go through Kindergarten, School, Jobs, Retirement, grow old and gray....

Imagine a history class in a Million years... a greatest of all time book in a Million years... anything historical.

oh the struggles...

oh the beauty...

[DonDadda59]

I just cant imagine all this perfection on Earth and in Galaxy without a creator... just one big bang?

I mean, what would be there without us? Cant imagine it... when does the Universe end? There is no wall at any point in the sky.. and even if there would, whats beyond it? Shits scary to think about...

Reincarnation, if you believe in it, living is an endless cycle for eternity... never stops, never settles...

You always live, go through Kindergarten, School, Jobs, Retirement, grow old and gray....

Imagine a history class in a Million years... a greatest of all time book in a Million years... anything historical.

oh the struggles...

oh the beauty...

Cut the hippie bullshit. You're gonna die and cease to exist in any other capacity than as food for worms.

Deal with it.

[ArbitraryWater]

Cut the hippie bullshit. You're gonna die and cease to exist in any other capacity than as food for worms.

Deal with it.

NO! LIES! ALL LIES!

[DonDadda59]

NO! LIES! ALL LIES!

Aye...

http://img.pandawhale.com/75441-Cat-DJ-deal-with-it-gif-Lupt.gif

[ZeN]

Cut the hippie bullshit. You're gonna die and cease to exist in any other capacity than as food for worms.

Deal with it.
prove it.

[DonDadda59]

prove it.

http://creepycollection.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/P1011507.JPG

And boom goes the dynamite. :pimp:

But oh yeah, that dude is probably in the clouds chilling and playing a golden harp while Marilyn Monroe sucks his d*ck.

:durantunimpressed:

[~primetime~]

Yes if the universe was designed it was definitely by a elderly bearded male...that's the only way it could be, if it wasn't that then this place probably just appeared out of nothing because that is more likely than a group of women designing it.

[DonDadda59]

Yes if the universe was designed it was definitely by a elderly bearded male...that's the only way it could be, if it wasn't that then this place probably just appeared out of nothing because that is more likely than a group of women designing it.

You get your bus ticket for the astral plane yet?

[ZeN]

http://creepycollection.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/P1011507.JPG

And boom goes the dynamite. :pimp:

But oh yeah, that dude is probably in the clouds chilling and playing a golden harp while Marilyn Monroe sucks his d*ck.

:durantunimpressed:
Prove it.

[DonDadda59]

Prove it.

Fine.

Jump off the tallest building in your city. Then report back to me from Heaven/Hell/Valhalla/the Astral Plane. Meanwhile, whatever's left of your body will be used to fertilize flowers and feed worms. We can compare notes after. :cheers:

[ZeN]

Fine.

Jump off the tallest building in your city. Then report back to me from Heaven/Hell/Valhalla/the Astral Plane. Meanwhile, whatever's left of your body will be used to fertilize flowers and feed worms. We can compare notes after. :cheers:
You still have proven nothing.

[DonDadda59]

You still have proven nothing.

:biggums:

You want more pics of worms consuming human flesh? Sick f*ck.

King Richard III's corpse:

http://www.cbc.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1575853.1379088381!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/li-king-richard-iii.jpg

His soul's been floating in the astral plane along with tredecillions of others (Neanderthals and dinosaurs included), since the 1400s.

True story.

[Megabox!]

I blame Beerus

[Megabox!]

:biggums:

You want more pics of worms consuming human flesh? Sick f*ck.

King Richard III's corpse:

http://www.cbc.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1575853.1379088381!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/li-king-richard-iii.jpg

His soul's been floating in the astral plane along with tredecillions of others (Neanderthals and dinosaurs included), since the 1400s.

True story.
Ah the typical Internet, know-it-all atheist. please share your infinite knowledge with us great one :applause: :facepalm nobody knows a god damn thing about the afterlife or if it even exists in the first place

[ZeN]

:biggums:

You want more pics of worms consuming human flesh? Sick f*ck.

King Richard III's corpse:

http://www.cbc.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1575853.1379088381!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/li-king-richard-iii.jpg

His soul's been floating in the astral plane along with tredecillions of others (Neanderthals and dinosaurs included), since the 1400s.

True story.
That is proof of nothing.

[DonDadda59]

Ah the typical Internet, know-it-all atheist. please share your infinite knowledge with us great one :applause: :facepalm

Can do, Stan. Where would you like me to begin? :D



nobody knows a god damn thing about the afterlife or if it even exists in the first place

The 'afterlife' :roll:

Makes as much sense as the beforelife, no? :confusedshrug:


That is proof of nothing.

Nothingness is form and the proof is in the pudding. Think about it.

[~primetime~]

Maybe we had a "beforelife"? Don what drives you to spread the word that we have no souls?

[DonDadda59]

Maybe we had a "beforelife"? Don what drives you to spread the word that we have no souls?

The concept makes no sense whatsoever.

If a 'beforelife' (:lol ) exists and our 'souls' inhabited other beings... were those other beings strictly humans? If so, that doesn't add up because there are more people now than at any point in the Earth's History. So are new 'souls' being churned out every generation in some ethereal factory? And do we define humans as being only Homosapiens? Did Neanderthals or Denisovans have 'souls' (remember that a large portion of the African diaspora tens of thousands of years ago interbred with Neanderthals, the evidence is in your DNA)?

It seems that if any such 'souls' exist, they are dependent on the human body... but if said body is rotten and decayed... how can a 'soul' exist? :confusedshrug:

[~primetime~]

The concept makes no sense whatsoever.

If a 'beforelife' (:lol ) exists and our 'souls' inhabited other beings... were those other beings strictly humans? If so, that doesn't add up because there are more people now than at any point in the Earth's History. So are new 'souls' being churned out every generation in some ethereal factory? And do we define humans as being only Homosapiens? Did Neanderthals or Denisovans have 'souls' (remember that a large portion of the African diaspora tens of thousands of years ago interbred with Neanderthals, the evidence is in your DNA)?

It seems that if any such 'souls' exist, they are dependent on the human body... but if said body is rotten and decayed... how can a 'soul' exist? :confusedshrug:
okay, let's look at your questions...

Perhaps 'time' doesn't exist in the afterlife, only here...sooo, if there are say 287 gazillion souls they could inhabit any life form, at in time in history, on any planet in the universe. Perhaps if reincarnation is a reality, you are living out multiple lives on Earth at the same time right now....*mindblown.gif*

[DonDadda59]

okay, let's look at your questions...

Perhaps 'time' doesn't exist in the afterlife, only here...sooo, if there are say 287 gazillion souls they could inhabit any life form, at in time in history, on any planet in the universe. Perhaps if reincarnation is a reality, you are living out multiple lives on Earth at the same time right now....*mindblown.gif*

https://33.media.tumblr.com/428e305a104c7db08e087c8614bc63c9/tumblr_n5t3zf52dS1tbctppo1_500.gif

[~primetime~]

:lol

exactly

https://media3.giphy.com/media/4Dy1Btpt0qUZa/200_s.gif

[Jailblazers7]

The concept makes no sense whatsoever.

If a 'beforelife' (:lol ) exists and our 'souls' inhabited other beings... were those other beings strictly humans? If so, that doesn't add up because there are more people now than at any point in the Earth's History. So are new 'souls' being churned out every generation in some ethereal factory? And do we define humans as being only Homosapiens? Did Neanderthals or Denisovans have 'souls' (remember that a large portion of the African diaspora tens of thousands of years ago interbred with Neanderthals, the evidence is in your DNA)?

It seems that if any such 'souls' exist, they are dependent on the human body... but if said body is rotten and decayed... how can a 'soul' exist? :confusedshrug:

Kinda like the quote from Before Sunrise as a response to the population growth thing:


OK, well this was my thought: 50,000 years ago, there are not even a million people on the planet. 10,000 years ago, there's, like, two million people on the planet. Now there's between five and six billion people on the planet, right? Now, if we all have our own, like, individual, unique soul, right, where do they all come from? You know, are modern souls only a fraction of the original souls? 'Cause if they are, that represents a 5,000 to 1 split of each soul in the last 50,000 years, which is, like, a blip in the Earth's time. You know, so at best we're like these tiny fractions of people, you know, walking... I mean, is that why we're so scattered? You know, is that why we're all so specialized?

[~primetime~]

How the hell do you expect him to prove the existence of nothingness?

Burden of proof is on all of the spiritual shit.
The burden of proof is on the one making claims...if someone is running around declaring we have no spirit the onus is on that someone.

[ZeN]

How the hell do you expect him to prove the existence of nothingness?

Burden of proof is on all of the spiritual shit.
Burden of proof is on anyone that makes a statement and claims it to be fact. Im not claiming that spiritual shit is fact nor stating that there is nothing after carnal death. Im simply stating that if you claim to have a definitive belief, an understanding that is beyond corruption, then prove it.

[KingBeasley08]

I think we all look for 'greater answers' to justify our existence but at the end of the day, we're just a blip in history. We've only been here for a hundred thousand years at most. Earth alone is 4 billion years old. I don't think we're really that important

It's nice to assume we're here with a purpose or that some greater force sent us here but I think that's just people hoping so they can justify their existence


http://38.media.tumblr.com/bc314819903d065b3f34cdd72e23ab75/tumblr_nfgngjY7X31rud800o1_500.gif

[~primetime~]

^^^ why does it have to be 'some great purpose'? I feel like this is a mistake most atheists make. They feel like an afterlife has to be some flawless existence that is being ruled by a perfect god that has infinite powers and can do anything and loves everyone. And every human has a great purpose. So, since that seems unlikely atheists conclude 'nothing' other than this universe exists.

It doesn't have to be like that, the 'afterlife' can be a flawed mess with it's own science behind it.

If we humans created a virtual 3D world full of billions of 'self aware entities' then WE would be 'God' to those entities and we are very flawed. They would have a different science than our own, our world would be a weird unfamiliar one. Perhaps the designers of this universe are similar.

[ArbitraryWater]

I just cant imagine all this perfection on Earth and in Galaxy without a creator... just one big bang?

I mean, what would be there without us? Cant imagine it... when does the Universe end? There is no wall at any point in the sky.. and even if there would, whats beyond it? Shits scary to think about...

Reincarnation, if you believe in it, living is an endless cycle for eternity... never stops, never settles...

You always live, go through Kindergarten, School, Jobs, Retirement, grow old and gray....

Imagine a history class in a Million years... a greatest of all time book in a Million years... anything historical.

oh the struggles...

oh the beauty...

I'll quote this for truth and add:

We all live multiple lifes... atheists problem with this is 'OH DUDE THATS NOT FAIR SOME ARE RICH OTHERS CAN NEVER BE' thats exactly why we live these lifes... see it as tests, every life gives us a chance of improving, ya know?

When we're done, our Soul continues... We're placed in our owned sphere by the creator. Don't know how long, but at some Point we go back, most likely in the shape of a human I imagine, although I could see how someone awful just gets placed in a wild animal territory you know... see how their behaviour now makes sense among other animals.


As we go by 'treat people the way you want to be treated', everything we do Comes back at us... no punishment, just the code of life.

[ArbitraryWater]

I think we all look for 'greater answers' to justify our existence but at the end of the day, we're just a blip in history. We've only been here for a hundred thousand years at most. Earth alone is 4 billion years old. I don't think we're really that important

It's nice to assume we're here with a purpose or that some greater force sent us here but I think that's just people hoping so they can justify their existence


http://38.media.tumblr.com/bc314819903d065b3f34cdd72e23ab75/tumblr_nfgngjY7X31rud800o1_500.gif

Our existence is very simple, its to learn and evolve as humans. I don't think anyone is a blip in history. If you see yourself as blip or non important, you probably also give justification to some of your doings, or carelessness.

[bdreason]

We have scientific proof of what happens to the body after death. If someone wants to claim there is a soul or spirit that persists after physical death, it's on them to prove it.


I have no problem if people want to believe in an afterlife, but don't come at me with the "prove it's not true" BS. You're the ones claiming something that isn't proven by science.

[~primetime~]

We have scientific proof of what happens to the body after death. If someone wants to claim there is a soul or spirit that persists after physical death, it's on them to prove it.


I have no problem if people want to believe in an afterlife, but don't come at me with the "prove it's not true" BS. You're the ones claiming something that isn't proven by science.
Don is the one claiming we don't have a spirit, something that isn't proven by science. The onus is on him.

[KingBeasley08]

Primetime... I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. I legit read that three times and I'm still lost :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Primetime... I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. I legit read that three times and I'm still lost :lol

what part is there to be lost about?

He may not be talking specifically you, but adressing general questions.

[ZeN]

We have scientific proof of what happens to the body after death.

Im curious has science shown proof of what occurs to consciousness after death?

[~primetime~]

Primetime... I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. I legit read that three times and I'm still lost :lol
hmm

I was trying to explain to you (and others) that there can be an afterlife that isn't a flawless place where everyone has 'great purpose'. It can be a flawed place full of imperfections with it's own science. Just like if we were to create a virtual 3D world full of self aware entities. We would be 'gods' to those entities and we are a flawed group and they would have no purpose other than just existing.

[FKAri]

Im curious has science shown proof of what occurs to consciousness after death?

We don't even know what consciousness is really. All we know is it is an emergent phenomenon of biological processes in the human body.

Anyways in reference to the debate of "we don't know what will happen to consciousness or life after death" discussion. Atheists and theists can have debates of philosophy but I think it is outside science; we can't really know.

I recently was involved in a discussion with some great physicists whether beyond the event horizon of a black hole can be considered "reality". The argument was that no information can ever escape an event horizon so from our perspective "the interior" of it does not exist in our universe and should not matter to science. The other side argued that just because we can never measure it does not mean it cannot exist. An observer could fall into one theoretically but could not report back. Science considers that outside its bounds, just as it does with the unobservable universe.

I found it similar to the idea of an after-life. Let us assume that it is impossible to come back to "this" life from death. We can't know and thus it is outside the bounds of science (ie. is not a scientific question).

[KingBeasley08]

hmm

I was trying to explain to you (and others) that there can be an afterlife that isn't a flawless place where everyone has 'great purpose'. It can be a flawed place full of imperfections with it's own science. Just like if we were to create a virtual 3D world full of self aware entities. We would be 'gods' to those entities and we are a flawed group and they would have no purpose other than just existing.
interesting...

[DonDadda59]

I'll quote this for truth and add:

We all live multiple lifes... atheists problem with this is 'OH DUDE THATS NOT FAIR SOME ARE RICH OTHERS CAN NEVER BE' thats exactly why we live these lifes... see it as tests, every life gives us a chance of improving, ya know?

When we're done, our Soul continues... We're placed in our owned sphere by the creator. Don't know how long, but at some Point we go back, most likely in the shape of a human I imagine, although I could see how someone awful just gets placed in a wild animal territory you know... see how their behaviour now makes sense among other animals.


As we go by 'treat people the way you want to be treated', everything we do Comes back at us... no punishment, just the code of life.

:biggums:

So wild animals are inherently evil and are possessed by the souls of awful people? :biggums:

Story checks out I guess.


Our existence is very simple, its to learn and evolve as humans. I don't think anyone is a blip in history. If you see yourself as blip or non important, you probably also give justification to some of your doings, or carelessness.

And there's the crux of the 'afterlife' construct (and I guess 'beforelife' now too :lol ). Most people's egos can't accept the fact that they are in fact not even a blip on the radar of time/existence/the Universe. Our species as a whole hasn't been around for even a fraction of a fraction of the time the Dinosaurs roamed the Earth. When was the last time a T-Rex was out chea doing the damn thing?

The truth is when you die, within 100 years of your existence no one will know or care that you lived. The only way to avoid that, the only real way to immortality is to do something extraordinary in your lifetime that transcends your short stay here. Shakespeare is immortal but 99.99999999999999% of the people who lived at same time he did... it's almost as if they never existed at all.

Your ego tells you that there's no way that the Earth or the Universe can exist without you existing in one form or another. The fact is that the Earth was spinning just fine on its axis for 14 billion years before you were born and 14 billion years after you die, it will be doing the same. The entire human race could vanish 5 minutes from now and in the grand scheme of things, it'd be completely irrelevant. Our planet alone has seen innumerable species come and go yet the seasons change, the orbit around the sun continues uninterrupted.

It's probably no different on millions of other planets all over the Universe.

[KingBeasley08]

:biggums:

So wild animals are inherently evil and are possessed by the souls of awful people? :biggums:

Story checks out I guess.



And there's the crux of the 'afterlife' construct (and I guess 'beforelife' now too :lol ). Most people's egos can't accept the fact that they are in fact not even a blip on the radar of time/existence/the Universe. Our species as a whole hasn't been around for even a fraction of a fraction of the time the Dinosaurs roamed the Earth. When was the last time a T-Rex was out chea doing the damn thing?

The truth is when you die, within 100 years of your existence no one will know or care that you lived. The only way to avoid that, the only real way to immortality is to do something extraordinary in your lifetime that transcends your short stay here. Shakespeare is immortal but 99.99999999999999% of the people who lived at same time he did... it's almost as if they never existed at all.

Your ego tells you that there's no way that the Earth or the Universe can exist without you existing in one form or another. The fact is that the Earth was spinning just fine on its axis for 14 billion years before you were born and 14 billion years after you die, it will be doing the same. The entire human race could vanish 5 minutes from now and in the grand scheme of things, it'd be completely irrelevant. Our planet alone has seen innumerable species come and go yet the seasons change, the orbit around the sun continues uninterrupted.

It's probably no different on millions of other planets all over the Universe.
You're much better at wording things :applause: This is basically what I was trying to say

[~primetime~]

soooo...the fact that we are 'unimportant' means nothing exists outside this universe?

Atheists love to point to the size of the universe, our brief time here, how we are a 'blip', etc as though that means a damn thing in relation to other dimensions existing.



If the universe was smaller, and humans lived millions of years vs. 80 years, it would give you guys the false impression that we are more 'important' and maybe THEN there is an afterlife. But there are just too many stars out there, and we are just a 'blip' in time rather than a chunk of time, so obviously nothing else is out there smh.

[bdreason]

The human species is beyond delusional. A monkey who thinks it isn't a monkey.

[~primetime~]

Could you tell me where the spirit is located, what it does, where it goes when you die, where it is before you're born, and what the purpose of it is?



As far as we know, nothing is the logical answer right now. To say otherwise requires proof.
Why do you get to decide what the 'logical answer' is? That isn't how science works.

I can give you my thoughts on all those questions you asked, but I can not give proof, just like you can give me your thoughts on those questions without proof.

[~primetime~]

http://www.onislam.net/english/oimedia/onislamen/The-Observable-Universe.jpg


I mean look at all that shit...obviously there is no god I mean come on...no god could handle all that shit, it's too much shit. And we are so small and meaningless because our physical size is small and we don't live that long.

Maybe if we were bigger on that map...and maybe if we lived longer...then we would be 'important'....that would be something a designer could handle. Then and only then could I see this universe being designed by something else.

[~primetime~]

Um, because logic exists... And we, as a species all experience the same stuff.

Follow this:
1. The body and mind die.
2. We have no proof of anything else.
3. Therefore as we know it, there's nothing afterward.

Pretty crazy logic train there.



Anything else is faith based. You can use logic in those beliefs but at the end of it all, you're trying to prove something outside of what we experience and know.
There is no 'logic train' in this when determining an answer. What you are doing is how humans came to the conclusion the world is flat. They couldn't see that it was round, therefor it is flat...logic says so.

[Lebowsky]

Um, because logic exists... And we, as a species all experience the same stuff.

Follow this:
1. The body and mind die.
2. We have no proof of anything else.
3. Therefore as we know it, there's nothing afterward.

Pretty crazy logic train there.



Anything else is faith based. You can use logic in those beliefs but at the end of it all, you're trying to prove something outside of what we experience and know.

inb4...but...but...NDEs

[ZeN]

inb4...but...but...NDEs
Have you ever had an NDE? That shit is crazy.

[Dresta]

I dunno, i don't have faith myself, but the forcefulness of materialists is a trifle irritating, as if they think they are special for considering themselves to be 'blips,' and thus have a need to ridicule those that hold different opinions. It's like they are so upset by their self-stated infinitesimal insignificance, that they cannot rest until they make everyone else's lives as valueless and pointless as theirs.

In fact, modern physics does show that materialism might well only be a pragmatic interpretation of the human mind, and so there is plenty of room to reconcile science with faith. The biological sciences simply are not a study of things as they are, but of things as we perceive them - it would be better labelled pragmatic science, or the science of expedience. Even Hume showed that the mechanistic interpretation of the world cannot be justified through reason, but only by the experience of the senses. And i seriously doubt anyone on here has a through knowledge of the far-reaches of theoretical physics, so just shut up already with your preaching.

[Crimsonrain777]

Stars don't last forever and there are less stars being created in the universe as time goes on. most of the elements that life depends on comes from within them.Black holes will eventually dissipate into nothingness too. They give off radiation, albeit very slowly. it's only a matter of time before the universe becomes a lifeless, dark place, devoid of a single speck of light or heat. That is, unless something happens before that.

edit: didn't read the article, just my thoughts

[DonDadda59]

Could you tell me where the spirit is located, what it does, where it goes when you die, where it is before you're born, and what the purpose of it is?

That'd be an excellent starting point to get some of these questions answered. :applause:

And to play Devil's Advocate (no pun intended), let's say the 'soul' does in fact exist- it's a tangible thing. Say you live to the age of 70- along the way you lived, loved, learned, evolved as a person, yadda yadda yadda you die.

What is the purpose of the 'soul' continuing on after bodily death? Like if your 'soul' were to literally vanish into thin air... would the Earth fall of its axis? Would the death of the Universe be expedited exponentially?

What difference does it make if your 'soul' exists or doesn't? Is there any reason beyond ego that it even should?

[navy]

I dunno, i don't have faith myself, but the forcefulness of materialists is a trifle irritating, as if they think they are special for considering themselves to be 'blips,' and thus have a need to ridicule those that hold different opinions. It's like they are so upset by their self-stated infinitesimal insignificance, that they cannot rest until they make everyone else's lives as valueless and pointless as theirs.

In fact, modern physics does show that materialism might well only be a pragmatic interpretation of the human mind, and so there is plenty of room to reconcile science with faith. The biological sciences simply are not a study of things as they are, but of things as we perceive them - it would be better labelled pragmatic science, or the science of expedience. Even Hume showed that the mechanistic interpretation of the world cannot be justified through reason, but only by the experience of the senses. And i seriously doubt anyone on here has a through knowledge of the far-reaches of theoretical physics, so just shut up already with your preaching.
As opposed to what you do? :coleman:

[~primetime~]

That'd be an excellent starting point to get some of these questions answered. :applause:

And to play Devil's Advocate (no pun intended), let's say the 'soul' does in fact exist- it's a tangible thing. Say you live to the age of 70- along the way you lived, loved, learned, evolved as a person, yadda yadda yadda you die.

What is the purpose of the 'soul' continuing on after bodily death? Like if your 'soul' were to literally vanish into thin air... would the Earth fall of its axis? Would the death of the Universe be expedited exponentially?

What difference does it make if your 'soul' exists or doesn't? Is there any reason beyond ego that it even should?

What difference to this universe does it make if our spirits continue? probably none would be my guess. Why do our spirits have to have a 'purpose'?

What if our reason for 'existing' is as simple as this: Existing > Not Existing

Why do we have to be so meaningful and important in your eyes in order for something else to exist?

[LilKateMoss]

As opposed to what you do? :coleman:
Now he's also a theoretical physicist, didn't you know?

[MJistheGOAT]

What a interesting discussion

I consider myself an atheist, but in the strict sense of the definition, AKA I don

[TheMan]

Meh, I take all these scientific theories with a grain of salt. We still don't know for sure if the unicerse is finite or infinite, for starters.

Which reminds me, back in the day when I was single and into smoking out, I used to love watching all types of science and nature shows, shit is mindblowing how much we know as humans and yet we still are pretty clueless as to how the universe works.

[ZeN]

Meh, I take all these scientific theories with a grain of salt. We still don't know for sure if the unicerse is finite or infinite, for starters.

Which reminds me, back in the day when I was single and into smoking out, I used to love watching all types of science and nature shows, shit is mindblowing how much we know as humans and yet we still are pretty clueless as to how the universe works.
What is this unicerse you speak of?

[eliteballer]

There are countries in the world where electricity and running water are still scarce luxuries.

You're telling me we can't figure out stuff like that but we can figure out the fate of the universe?


:oldlol:

[DonD13]

RIP in peace

[ArbitraryWater]

:biggums:

So wild animals are inherently evil and are possessed by the souls of awful people? :biggums:

Story checks out I guess.

No..who knows? Definitely think it's an option though.

You still see all this as 'punishment', which it's not..

[ArbitraryWater]

Could you tell me where the spirit is located, what it does, where it goes when you die, where it is before you're born, and what the purpose of it is?


Well, we ARE the soul... its what makes us complete. Its US. The body is just there for ur life on earth.

"where does it go before you're born" hah, we ARE it... it exists before our 'birth' on earth.

The purpose is the simple fact that we are alive and exist, and continue to after out death on earth.. and not simply die. Soul/Spirit will keep us alive forever.

For me the ultimate proof is that praying works... rather outrageous wishes and prayers come true. Some have outerworld experiences... some see Angels.. some see Ghosts, my ****in Uncle had multiple experiences with Ghosts.. shits too unbelievable for some, but he has some scary stories on them, him and his mother/my grandmother in their holiday house in Finnland.

[DonDadda59]

Well, we ARE the soul... its what makes us complete. Its US. The body is just there for ur life on earth.

"where does it go before you're born" hah, we ARE it... it exists before our 'birth' on earth.

The purpose is the simple fact that we are alive and exist, and continue to after out death on earth.. and not simply die. Soul/Spirit will keep us alive forever.

For me the ultimate proof is that praying works... rather outrageous wishes and prayers come true. Some have outerworld experiences... some see Angels.. some see Ghosts, my ****in Uncle had multiple experiences with Ghosts.. shits too unbelievable for some, but he has some scary stories on them, him and his mother/my grandmother in their holiday house in Finnland.

You know my nigguh Xenu? :lebronamazed:

We went to High School together.

[ArbitraryWater]

You know my nigguh Xenu? :lebronamazed:

We went to High School together.

you ain't takin' anyone that doesn't express your opinion seriously one bit

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[DonDadda59]

you ain't takin' anyone that doesn't express your opinion seriously one bit

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah306/MaleRuler/Funny/Forum%20Emoticons-Smileys/raydisgusted_zpsxzwi2q65.png

Not one bit. https://itouti.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/kanye-shrug1.jpeg

[ArbitraryWater]

Not one bit. https://itouti.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/kanye-shrug1.jpeg

hmm.. PARTAY TIME? Some Bud Light, bud?

TO THIS LIFE!

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[TheMan]

What is this unicerse you speak of?
I thought people here would be clever enough to recognize a typo when they see one but I misunderestimated your stupidity.

in b4 someone points out "misunderestimated"

[~primetime~]

There is actually lots of decent evidence of reincarnation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnXxC-nVsJY)

^^^ that story is just one of thousands just like it (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201412/children-who-seemingly-remember-past-lives)

This is a real phenomenon that really can not be explained with science.

This phenomenon has actually happened to one of the former posters here, vapid, who said he is theist because he was born knowing all the values of ancient Roman coins. No one told him.


There is also lots of decent 'evidence' of an afterlife but I won't beat you guys down with NDE talk. Some of you are convinced the brain produces the same exact super realistic dream for all of us when we flat line that takes us to reunite with deceased loved ones and that is fine. We will just disagree on that.

[DonDadda59]

TO THIS LIFE!




http://boxset.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/one-life-to-live-soap-abc-e1338092619137.jpg

Unless your animal soul bullshit pans out. Then I want to come back as a snail or other hermaphroditic animal.

I wouldn't have to waste time/energy on getting bitches. Game Over, BOSS LEVEL :banana:




:crazysam:

[ArbitraryWater]

The Bible used to say alot about reincarnation, they cut most of it out at one point, there is still some hinting at it, though. It does make sense when you think it through.

You think primetime just gonna hit the life jackpot every time? maybe, maybe he that good, but maybe not :eek:

[ArbitraryWater]

There is actually lots of decent evidence of reincarnation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnXxC-nVsJY)

^^^ that story is just one of thousands just like it (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201412/children-who-seemingly-remember-past-lives)

This is a real phenomenon that really can not be explained with science.

This phenomenon has actually happened to one of the former posters here, vapid, who said he is theist because he was born knowing all the values of ancient Roman coins. No one told him.


There is also lots of decent 'evidence' of an afterlife but I won't beat you guys down with NDE talk. Some of you are convinced the brain produces the same exact super realistic dream for all of us when we flat line that takes us to reunite with deceased loved ones and that is fine. We will just disagree on that.

Don clearly got his mind set on things.. but you can't tell me everybody who's had experiences of spirituality or outerworldy experiences is 'crazy' or lying :lol

Stuff happens... there is a hospital here in this area somewhere, they let the dead 'cool down' in a cold room for a few days before burrial.. my Mother was there and actually heard a really deep tone in that room, only in that room... but something was there for her, n yea, Im gonna get flak for this because for most it sounds like straight bullshit :coleman:

[TheMan]

I'm not religious, I was raised Catholic though. I've seen stuff I can't explain and I wasn't high, drunk or asleep. No one believes until it happens to them. I still find it hard to believe the sh*t I've seen but unless I was hallucinating (never had a history of hallucinations and haven't since), I'll just say that there is sh*t out there we can't easily explain.

[ZeN]

I'm not religious, I was raised Catholic though. I've seen stuff I can't explain and I wasn't high, drunk or asleep. No one believes until it happens to them. I still find it hard to believe the sh*t I've seen but unless I was hallucinating (never had a history of hallucinations and haven't since), I'll just say that there is sh*t out there we can't easily explain.
Are you the guy that said his cousin astral projected and she saw you jacking it in your room? Maybe im getting you confused with bulls fan..

[DonDadda59]

Im gonna get flak for this because for most it sounds like straight bullshit :coleman:

Yes... Sounds like.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/82502/simpsons-shifty-dog-o.gif

[TheMan]

Are you the guy that said his cousin astral projected and she saw you jacking it in your room? Maybe im getting you confused with bulls fan..
Lol, you got a good memory :lol

You just got some details wrong, this was in the late 90s, my cousin claimed she can do astral projections, I challenged her to prove it so I told her to tell me the next morning what shirt I slept in. I slept in a Bulls shirt that I had stored away in my closet. It had MJ, Pip and Grant with the words Triple Threat on it. It was years since I had worn that shirt, I don't believe she ever even seen me wear it. Anyways, next morning she described it perfectly.

I don't know what to believe because I don't believe in astral projections but that episode and a few others made me keep an open mind.

Edit...and no, she didn't catch me jacking off, at least I don't recall :lol

[ZeN]

Lol, you got a good memory :lol

You just got some details wrong, this was in the late 90s, my cousin claimed she can do astral projections, I challenged her to prove it so I told her to tell me the next morning what shirt I slept in. I slept in a Bulls shirt that I had stored away in my closet. It had MJ, Pip and Grant with the words Triple Threat on it. It was years since I had worn that shirt, I don't believe she ever even seen me wear it. Anyways, next morning she described it perfectly.

I don't know what to believe because I don't believe in astral projections but that episode and a few others made me keep an open mind.

Edit...and no, she didn't catch me jacking off, at least I don't recall :lol
Ah yeah the bulls portion I remembered was the shirt. The reason I had thought she caught you doing that is because in your original comment on this you said she described what you were doing. However you described it as if you were surprised and embarrassed by what she said you were doing. I just took a guess that it was that. Its true thought you didn't state that specifically, I just found it curious that you said you were embarrassed or taken aback by what she told you.

[~primetime~]

There isn't a ton of good evidence for remote viewing, but there is a ton of good evidence for out of body experiences (similar but not the same). I do believe that there are decent scientific theories that explain the type of OBE where the person is just looking down at themselves. But there are no theories for OBEs that go beyond that.

Fact - the government recently funded a military program that used humans that claimed they could remote view. They cancelled it though, didn't work out too well lol.

[ZeN]

I found it.. you were apperantly jacking it..

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10345808&postcount=46



My cousin claims that she can.

When she was about 8 years old, while her mom (my aunt) was at the hospital giving birth, my cousin was at our grandma's house. She woke up crying and told my grandma that her mom's spirit tried to leave her body but that she asked her to stay and that she was ok now. Obviously this upset my grandma and she called relatives who were at the hospital and they did confirm to her that she had complications and was clinically dead for about a minute. My aunt has no recollection of this but my cousin has given us details about the doctors and the surgery room were her c section was performed. Needless to say, that spooked our family. I didn't know what to make of it, maybe she had a nightmare and all that was was a coincidence.

When we were in our 20's, we shared an apartment in California. One Friday night, we were sitting around having a few drinks and shooting the shit and we talked about that incident. She told us that she could sense stuff like spirits and such, she can't see them or communicate with them but she can sense supernatural things. Obviously, I'm a huge skeptic, so I challenged her to get out of her body and describe the shirt I'd wear to bed that night. I was positive I would expose her and she really couldn't do any of the stuff she claims. When I was in my room, I went through my closet and found an old shirt I hardly ever wore, I can still remember it, it was an old raggedy black t shirt that had Jordan flanked by Pippen and Grant with the heading "Triple Threat". I made sure I locked the door, it was one of those door knobs that had no key hole on the outside and to lock it, you had to from inside the room. Before I went to sleep, I popped in the DVD player some porn and fapped away and fell asleep with my underware around my ankles.

Well, the next morning I changed my shirt and I kind of forgotten about our bet since we were all a bit drunk the night before. Before I could say something she said with a sly look, ''you were wearing an old Bulls shirt and you might want to sleep with your underware on next time''. It took me about a second or two to process what she said but my mind was blown, and I was embarrassed as hell. Honestly, still don't know what to believe.


Thats like astral incest-play, there brah..

[TheMan]

I found it.. you were apperantly jacking it..

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10345808&postcount=46





Thats like astral incest-play, there brah..Nah, no incest, I was in no way attracted to her, she was cool but I never saw her that way...also, there was no way she could get in my room without me unlocking it.

I think we can file that as trying to erase a traumatic past experience :lol

Thanks for jarring that memory back into my head though
:banghead:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

The human species is beyond delusional. A monkey who thinks it isn't a monkey.

And might I inquire good sir, why does thou possesseth such an opinion? Our earliest Hominid ancestors were of the tree-climbing variety, but humans have.

- The capacity to create outstanding civilizations
- Ratiocination
- Advanced Art
- Cognitive ability far beyond simply constructing tools for food
- Far, far, far superior endurancing running ability
- Lesser physical strength
- Far larger male genitalia, weight-wise

It seems clear that theres such an enormous difference to lead one to think we are actually separate from them.

Back on topic, folks who have studied Scripture are well aware that a combination of arrogance and sinning would lead to one becoming "deaf, dumb and blind" to Him.

You've previously informed us that you've spend thousands on vanity, have had experiences you aren't so proud off, and have had debilitating doubts of depression. Could it be that something was missing from your life?

Might I politely suggest to you to ask for forgiveness from Him, for the sake of the development of your own soul?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

That'd be an excellent starting point to get some of these questions answered. :applause:

And to play Devil's Advocate (no pun intended), let's say the 'soul' does in fact exist- it's a tangible thing. Say you live to the age of 70- along the way you lived, loved, learned, evolved as a person, yadda yadda yadda you die.

What is the purpose of the 'soul' continuing on after bodily death? Like if your 'soul' were to literally vanish into thin air... would the Earth fall of its axis? Would the death of the Universe be expedited exponentially?

What difference does it make if your 'soul' exists or doesn't? Is there any reason beyond ego that it even should?

Ahhh i'm glad you've asked these questions kind sir.

Just off the bat, can we not take a moment to appreciate the coincidence right here?

A fair, historically-educated, religiously-educate happening fellow like yourself has chimed in with his thoughts right when some young Believers were having shaky doubts about their faith in a coincidental converging of consciousness on an online message board basketball forum.

How uncanny!

Now to get to your questions, fair gentleman. From an Islamic perspective, albeit a juvenile and not... Hakim one.. yet.

The purpose of the "soul" continuing After Death is for the next stage in its journey until it returns back to its Original Source. God is the Originator and the Destination.

Paradise reaches a level of Bliss. And then onto other and higher levels of purification, wisdom, and bliss.

Hell involves being restrained and burning. Restrained from enacting evil upon others, and burning in order to purify a soul until it's cleared of what it wrought upon others. With flames erasing the memories and actions, a soul can then advance, redeem, and atone.


But you already knew that. However, I did not know that and perhaps ArbitraryWater did not know that. Do you not see now, that you are unconsciously doing the Lord's work, inadvertently strengthening and educating your fellow brethren on their doubts? You are truly a gift.

This is what all major religions believe, and advocate.

Second question. Would the death of the Universe be expedited exponentially.

Why you've touched base on such a great pregunta! When the body dies a person's perception of time is very ... shall we say.. dynamic. Might I direct you and others to the following resource:
http://www.near-death.com/science/research/time.html

What difference does it make if the soul "exists" or not?

What a silly thought! Why the Truth of course. You, a human being, are not just your limbs, pecs, and whatever else. You are a Mind, like a very disconnected and distant plug that has taken! An Energy Body, ! A Soul (well actually a collection of many of them)! And upon the deathbed, Angels will take away thee soul.

You're composed of more than your physical body, just as the physical matter of the Universe has come into manifestation only est. 10-13 trillion years ago but before that there was something on a different plane. Perhaps you call it Astral, or not but the point being is that there's an unseen world in which a Tablet of Destiny is called. Some extensive analysis into the Akashic Void will help gather info upon this. There are other dimensions. The Qu'ran makes reference of 7 worlds, and 7 heavens and 7 hells.

Yes the Churches and Mosques, amongst others of the heyday have sinned greatly in both denying the original and using them as vessels of power and yadda yadda I don't need to go on everybody and their grandma know about this, but this theme is REPEATING itself during these here modern times in the opposite way due to Shaytan's will! Only by enslaving and telling people there end is near, the effects are also



Is there any reason beyond ego that it even should?

My this is a most bizarre question? I don't know why you even asked this having put in the hours in your studies and meditations and understanding full well that the Ego is like a false barrier shell that is detrimental to Tawheed. Does the Church in addition to all major influences seek to subdue the influences of the Ego through advocating the virtue fo humility and oneness and brotherhood?; does not the Muslims be it by symbolically pelting stones at Shaytan and converting the animalistic soul into the Divine Soul through Sufi rituals; or by wrapping oneself in the Kaballah.

It exists because it's a Truth handed down ever since Time was Time. Innaillahiwainnaillahirajaun. To Him is where you began and to Him is where you will return.

It also is stated quite clearly from our African ancestors dear brother.

The 11 Laws of God:

0. Law of Amen – You were made in the likeness of a peace that nothing can disturb. Reclaim your peace that you may attain to your reason for coming into existence – the enjoyment of life.

1. Law of Ausar – Your nature is an unconquerable peace, therefore nothing or no one in the world can be against you. All experiences come to you to promote your reclamation of peace, that you may in turn, aquire wisdom and power.

2. Law of Tehuti – When all of your thoughts, feelings and actions reflect the Word of God, then the power of God’s spirit and a peace that nothing can challange will flow through your being.

3. Law of Sekher – When the emotions of Man manifest in response to the Word of God, they have the power to influence the course of any and all events in the world.

4. Law of Ma’at – God needs you in order to come into the world. Fulfilling God’s need is the highest act of love, and only through your love for God can you fulfill your love for others. Become the Love of God in the world for the protection of the world.

5. Law of Herukhuti – Know that God neither punishes nor rewards nor protect, that you will have the comfort of controlling these yourself.

6. Law of Heru – You have the power but not the right to ignore God’s Law. Choose to follow the Law of God with the Love and Joy that grows out of understanding and the wisdom and power of God’s spirit will flow through your being.

7. Law of Het-Heru – It is not what you imagine. It is who is imagining. Are you a human or a divine being?

8. Law of Sebek – It is not what you think or what you affirm. It is who is thinking and affirming. Are you a human or a divine being?

9. Law of Auset – Prepare to sacrifice everything to become the vessel of God on earth, and you will, in turn, receive everything.

10. Law of Geb – Know that from heaven you came and to heaven you will return, seek not enduring works on earth.

As Arbwater has stated we are here to learn, evolve and ascend. Have not the same emotional problems plagued man over and over again throughout his life? Has woman not been able to say acccurate scathing insults of him right along the lines of thought that they are souls meant for one another?

Peace and Love for eternity dear Reader.

[Dresta]

I find it amusing that the zealots of the materialists dogma on here are so certain of themselves, and so dismissive of any views that postulate something outside of material existence; they preach like Jehovahs witnesses, and with the same kind of sanctimonious disapproval. Yet if they knew more about science, they would know that there is nothing proven or certain about their views, and that they would be wise to exercise more prudence in expressing them. Instead, they act as if their view is the only view that a right-thinking exponent of harsh truths could believe, as if anything else would be mere wishful thinking, and nothing else. This is solipsistic folly.

https://www.bigquestionsonline.com/content/does-quantum-physics-make-it-easier-believe-god

[QUOTE]Thus, the traditional view is that the probabilities in quantum mechanics --- and hence the

[DonDadda59]

Senor $, would you say that the 'soul' is a uniquely human (specifically Homo Sapien) phenomenon. There have been an innumerable amount of species that have inhabited this planet for hundreds of millions of years... are humans the only creation of God that was endowed with this eternal spirit? :confusedshrug:


http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090720220818/familyguy/images/3/33/Buzz_Killington.jpg

Do you do anything besides piggyback off of other people's ideas and spam thesaurus.com? I don't think I've ever seen you post a single original thought in any of your countless pointless, long-winded, pompous ramblings.

Prove me wrong, though. Prove me wrong. :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

Senor $, would you say that the 'soul' is a uniquely human (specifically Homo Sapien) phenomenon. There have been an innumerable amount of species that have inhabited this planet for hundreds of millions of years... are humans the only creation of God that was endowed with this eternal spirit? :confusedshrug:



Do you do anything besides piggyback off of other people's ideas and spam thesaurus.com? I don't think I've ever seen you post a single original thought in any of your countless pointless, long-winded, pompous ramblings.

Prove me wrong, though. Prove me wrong. :cheers:

He really broke you down to a T, though.. you ask silly question after question, never satisfied or even acknowledging things.. if Dresta wouldn't have wrote that, there would be more emoticons in this post.

Any living thing has a soul, I'd believe.

[~primetime~]

I believe all life has some form of spirit - dogs, cats, trees, grass, single celled organisms, you name it.

Good posts from J$ and Dresta... Said in only a way that they could say it



Dresta is right Don, you don't do yourself any favors by trying to belittle everyone. No need to speak in gif format. Science doesn't point in any direction when it comes to this subject. You can disprove Noah's Ark with science sure, but that doesn't mean that science leans toward atheism.

[falc39]

Do you do anything besides piggyback off of other people's ideas and spam thesaurus.com? I don't think I've ever seen you post a single original thought in any of your countless pointless, long-winded, pompous ramblings.

Prove me wrong, though. Prove me wrong. :cheers:

His viewpoint is the more wiser one in this thread. All I see him pointing out is that we do not know nearly enough of the universe to make such conclusions. Reminds me of "the more you know, the more you don't know" adage. You on the other hand, have to mock everyone you don't agree with, and that's even if your own views can't be proven.

[ArbitraryWater]

I believe all life has some form of spirit - dogs, cats, trees, grass, single celled organisms, you name it.

Good posts from J$ and Dresta... Said in only a way that they could say it



Dresta is right Don, you don't do yourself any favors by trying to belittle everyone. No need to speak in gif format. Science doesn't point in any direction when it comes to this subject. You can disprove Noah's Ark with science sure, but that doesn't mean that science leans toward atheism.

this :applause:

[DonDadda59]

He really broke you down to a T, though.. you ask silly question after question, never satisfied or even acknowledging things.. if Dresta wouldn't have wrote that, there would be more emoticons in this post.

This coming from the dude who said "although I could see how someone awful just gets placed in a wild animal territory you know... see how their behaviour now makes sense among other animals." :kobe:

OK, yeah... everyone is entitled to their opinion I suppose. But really?


Any living thing has a soul, I'd believe.

So every time I step on a roach or kill a mosquito, their soul floats away into the ether to be judged on how righteously they lived their life?


His viewpoint is the more wiser one in this thread. All I see him pointing out is that we do not know nearly enough of the universe to make such conclusions. Reminds me of "the more you know, the more you don't know" adage. You on the other hand, have to mock everyone you don't agree with, and that's even if your own views can't be proven.

The problem is, as I've been pointing out, people's egos are too tied into the idea that the world revolves around them... whether they want to admit it or not, that's what drives the whole eternal life idea. It's embedded deep within their psyche, a survival instinct, fear of death. They don't want to accept the fact that the world got along just fine before they existed and will continue to do so for many, many lifetimes after they no longer exist.

And for the record, I've always enjoyed conversing with J$ over the years. He has a very unique viewpoint on things and is an extremely creative thinker. Dresta on the other hand, as everyone here knows but might not say now because they're in their feelings (souls) about this whole thing, is a blow hard copy and paste machine.

[ArbitraryWater]

This coming from the dude who said "although I could see how someone awful just gets placed in a wild animal territory you know... see how their behaviour now makes sense among other animals." :kobe:

OK, yeah... everyone is entitled to their opinion I suppose. But really?



So every time I step on a roach or kill a mosquito, their soul floats away into the ether to be judged on how righteously they lived their life?

it's a wild theory (no pun intended), but really irrelevant overall... the bigger point is reincarnation.


I dont know.. maybe? Dont know too much about their lifes, rather short life spans, and also, not too much room for 'wrongness' I suppose, limited in what they can do.

[~primetime~]

I don't think I could be more open minded about this subject. I used to be atheist, I was born Christian and saw the flaws in that at a very young age, somewhere in Jr High. I was then on a mission to inform other Christians how silly the Bible is. After a few years of that I realized how close minded atheism was and became agnostic. I told people the only logical way to view things was to say "idk". Then I came across NDE story's (I know, I know) and researched that phenomenon to hell. I feel like there are too many unexplainable facets to it. The children who can recall past lives is another phenomenon that is unexplainable, and it just happens to fall in sync with what NDEers say, that we all reincarnate. I am now theist and I feel like my beliefs are not based around ego at all, but actual evidence. The funny thing is that most of what these people claim is in line with Buddhism. I'm on the verge of a full circle from religious, to atheist, to agnostic, back to religious.

The more I look at this universe, the more it comes off as blatantly designed to me. I even feel like galaxies are spaced out enough to where different forms of life can be controlled without interfering with each other. All these laws, gravity, time, light, etc feel like they are coded for life to exist to me. If one of these laws doesn't exist, no life.

[gigantes]

what happens to the matter in black holes when everything else fizzles out???
hawking theorises (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation) that black holes are not permanent and in fact shed radiation, ultimately causing them to disappear.

the smaller the black hole, the more quickly this happens.

if you remember all the concerns about the large hadron collider inadvertently creating micro-black holes that would destroy the planet, this may be part of the explanation why nothing seemed to happen. that they dissolved as quickly as they formed.

[Dresta]

Do you do anything besides piggyback off of other people's ideas and spam thesaurus.com? I don't think I've ever seen you post a single original thought in any of your countless pointless, long-winded, pompous ramblings.

Prove me wrong, though. Prove me wrong. :cheers:
:lol

Someone's upset i called out his childish heckling. We're talking about originality now? I thought this was about what we as human beings can and do know? Don't start crying because i posted something that challenges your arrogant certitudes about life and existence. What, you expect me to have come up with it myself? Sorry, but i don't claim a deep knowledge of quantum mechanics, so i won't be pounding out any detailed and innovative exposition of theoretical physics any time soon, if that's what you're waiting for; though even if i did, you'd no doubt reply with a picture and a snarky remark, because really, that's all you have. Talk about an absence of character. Talk about hypocrisy: you strut around here like a bastardised version of Christopher Hitchens, posting the same shit that youths have been spouting, in vain attempts to shock their elders and garner attention, for thousands of years; there is nothing new about materialism, i'm sorry to tell you; and the legions of imbeciles spouting similar arguments on youtube comments sections and elsewhere suggest that there's nothing inherently intelligent about it either. There are some very intelligent religious people, and some very stupid atheistical people, and vice versa. Stop pretending your unbelief makes you smarter than other people.

And it isn't just in this thread: you literally follow religious people around on this site, feeling the need to butt your head in incessantly with an 'excuse me, dear sir, but didn't you know you were deluded? How silly and egotistical of you to think there could be something other than the material world, i hope you don't MIND if I correct you 100 times over, and never shut up about how ****ing deluded you are. Here are some pictures bones to prove it.' I should add that you combine this with a woeful ignorance of scripture, and the fact that it can edify in many ways regarding human existence & nature, largely through the medium of myth and parable (two things your literalist mind evidently cannot understand).

:cheers:


:rolleyes:

Every f*cking theory about what happens after death is 'wishful thinking'.

Quit acting like Dondadda is more close minded than a guy like PT. They're doing the same thing.

I would tend to agree with you in regard to the first part. But in the end, one always has to take a leap of faith in some respect, for the most extreme skepticism stifles all action, and if all were to adopt it, human existence would very quickly expire. In the end, everything we know and care about, is built on top of a foundation of faith - there is a reason religion is a universal - tis what unified small tribal groups into larger groups. To some degree, they are all mythological representations of the same thing (a desire to better understand human nature, often through myth and parable), but they are certainly the product of an instrinsic human yearning, whether true or untrue, and the widespread negation of them has led to a rather crass and materialistic existence; one that has ever-increasing rates of internal disorder, namely such 'diseases' as anxiety and depression, which, despite vast increases in the standard of living, and the eradication of poverty to the extent where it has to be relativized to be significant, have grown to epidemic proportions (while we throw mountains of pharmaceuticals at these problem, often onto young people with little sense of self as it is). Why? Because man is lacking in order and purpose, things he evidently needs to live a fulfilling life.

Dogmatically ridiculing the transcendent and numinous does no one any favours in the long run. And no, i don't think Dondadda is behaving in the same way as primetime in here: the former is set on ridiculing the beliefs of others in an asinine and childish way, while having no real justification for being so certain of his positions; he has no real desire to engage in discussion and debate, only to ridicule.

[gigantes]

hey dresta-dude--

i think i might speak for many in granting that you're pretty brilliant and all... and are loaded with interesting info and all, but...

dude... someone needs to tell you that your communication skills blow, okay?

those endless paragraphs... you can do better with eventually.
if not, i might be forced to kick your sheltered arrogant ass, see...?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

First of all, no need to pile on Don.

He is doing us a favor. One only need think in terms of the basic theological principles of karma, resistance upon faith, everything under God's Will, souls and minds converging to learn something from one another, and His Signs.

The post Don has, was delivered with confidence and brassness at a level one can only appropriately label.. Dogma. The same type that certain ignorant imams and bishops have unfortunately delivered rather than a type of teaching that exercises Tafakur, pondering over the logical systems of thought (What is the origin?) that assist one in possessing a deep comprehension of things. It's an evil that has drifted towards him and an evil he is expressing to the world in such a punful manner.

Moreover, his matter of speech is a direct gift to those who Believe and those who don't. For those who don't... is one going to nod their head and go "Amen" mindlessly as followers have, or will they have the sincerity within their hearts to step forth and challenge one of their own. And for the Believers; how can one hope to grow if not challenged by a resolute opponent? Did not all the martial artists encounter great opposition from their sensei when stepping forward in The Way? Jesus wouldn't be Jesus, without the Pharisees!



There have been an innumerable amount of species that have inhabited this planet for hundreds of millions of years... are humans the only creation of God that was endowed with this eternal spirit?

I can not answer this due to a deficit in knowledge, but Arbitary suggested the Hindu reincarnation model. This highly educated Christian Dr. suggests that souls reside in all creatures.. and even plants. http://drlwilson.com/Articles/SOUL%20SCIENCE.htm < Everyone ought to read this to get familiar with a take on.. a hidden dimension.

It states in the Qu'ran that Mankind is "Ashraf Al Makhlukat", the most superior of all Creations, because of his reason and his likeness to His Creator, but then became the lowest of the low.
Lowest of the low due to - arrogance - wealth - ingratitude - indolence - rebellion/irreverence to his master and his pathetic relinquishing to his lower nature, Ego, Shaytan and other forces

And all other sins. And there's the other theory of Sumerian religion that Man is not a monkey; rather he was created. You, being of Harlem, 30 decades experienced a Man .

Personally, I have to come to grips with one dilemma. Dresta had previously written a post on Christian morality; stacking it up to Neitzsche and in a gist summarized the former as being the weakness-embodying mentality of a have-not loser and the latter as a winner. And his knowledge of Mencken and Marx fortifies this rooting for the underdog mentality.. If this is true, then this would have been a byproduct of a sour Ego, rather than revelation from the heavens above. Something Antithetical to Jesus/Isa almost purely loving and firm demeanor. Moreover, Christ never actually taught weakness, quite on the contrary he..
- Marched into a Temple of rich established folks with a whip of chords
- Pardoned a hated prostitute
- Set families apart
- Yadda Yadda Yadda

Point being, Submission to God's Will was not so much submission as in adopting a perverted style of thinking to drag others down. This is one (of a few) hurdles Dresta has to leap if he ever chose to return to what his ancestors believed in.



hey dresta-dude--

i think i might speak for many in granting that you're pretty brilliant and all... and are loaded with interesting info and all, but...

dude... someone needs to tell you that your communication skills blow, okay?

those endless paragraphs... you can do better with eventually.
if not, i might be forced to kick your sheltered arrogant ass, see...?

Dude, he's our Polish-Dutch emissary.

Americans, from my experience, are much brighter than the way they speak. Especially urban people and autistic people. Much, much brighter. Just reading his posts helps you articulate thoughts in an erudite manner and can serve you well in Europe.





Every f*cking theory about what happens after death is 'wishful thinking'.

This is an incorrect statement.


The theories of the afterlife derive from the words of Scripture. The Words of Scripture derive from various Prophets. Prophets received their Revelation directly from God; be it Muhammad (PBUH) meditation on Cave Hijra (for multiple days and night), Christ, or the founders of Buddhism and Hinduism.

Not wishful thinking, but seeking Truth.

Perhaps you are looking at it as if it was some compensation of something dark and uncomfortable to deal with... like a cop-out. Then need you be reminded that the Prophets possessed reservoirs of honesty and courage that'd make the macho-est of Sheens look like wimps? And ask yourself would non-existence really be that bad compared to living in a warring Desert and working manual labor with no social mobility? Why would they lie? If they feared God and believed in the Day of Judgment, then they would have received horrific torment for lying to their followers.

But here's what Shaytan and evil does... he comes at you and knocks down heroes a few pedestals until they look like scum. He'll deconstruct, degrade, decapitate, and distract in decadence (JUST AS Huxley forewarned in a Brave New World) that which used to burn in the hearts of Man. He'll do it with a WHOLE LOTTA panache too:
See Natural Born Killers "There is no right or wrong"
See every single Disney Villain being 1000000X cooler than their predecesor
See how utterly gay and lame Christianity has become.. but wait where does "gay" and "lame" come from?



I know you enough to vaguely think of you as a guy from New England who has watched Fight Club and other such movies... Your intention is good.. to be truthful to others, but your thoughts derive from a culture of hopelessness, #yolo, of a few forces that has been enacted upon the world. The same forces that has infiltrated the curriculum of your public schools, your subcultures.


And if I told you this was the work of Satan, you'd look at me funny. But it is. That's exactly what Satan does, he tells lies upon lies to subvert the Truth. He's sneaky and he'll do it when you're off guard AKA in a hypnotic stance. And isn't that what television, media, music does to you... lull you into hypnosis to insert such and such subliminal messages. And why Abrahamic people are commanded to be constant in their remembrance of God to protect themselves from conditionings entering their subconsciousness.. to be pure? Evil.. is ignorance and ignorance is evil. Truth = Lies. Lies = Truth. Freedom is Slavery ... Orwell.

If you re-read and interpretation of the Garden of Eden you can liken Adam and Eve pre-sin as children. Innocent children who just naturally... behave as God intended them to do. It is only UNTIL AFTER THEY CONSUME the fruit of the Tree of "Knowledge" (Knowledge in quotes for the same reason other things are in quotes..) that they become CONDITIONED. CONDITIONED incorrectly. Much like what happens when you're ingesting media of all sources at a rate faster than your brain has time to critically discern fact from fiction from.
These conditionings are also known as
- Energy Blockages and Traumas
- Samsaras in Hinduism (Things that prevent one from acquiring Perfect Peace and Equilibrium)
- Shaytan (having "two" wills) as opposed to the one children
- Brainwashing etc. etc.

And you know exactly what they lead to? Crap relationships, wars, misunderstandings and so on and so forth.

You, having been on Earth for 2 decades are undergoing a stage in time where positive messages come delivered in the dress of seemingly dumb people, cheerleaders, and those who have not exercised intellectual virtues and the latter, cynicism, being delivered through the mouths of straight-shooters like your main man Carlin. Additionally, you've got guys like Mencken, Twin, Schopenhauer, Wilde who tell it as it is... but where are the Aquinases and Augustines? Why are they so hidden? Could it be that this culture is dogmatic as well in a different way?

And would it not stand to reason that isolation and contemplation would be the best course of action, something which is actually recommended?

And could it be that you, having been created by Him and been bestowed the power of a Mind have beliefs that project outwards? Thus, making you a mini-creator of the Universe around you? And is it not true that you have also been conditioned unconsciously by that which you chose?

I was inclined to believe that death was the end with dirt as you have for during my teens I had no real faith. But, in our old Sanskrit philosophy "we were taught that when destruction comes forth, understanding becomes backward." Things started to click really really really fast after shaking off the Conditionings that I accumulated through a thorough digestion of Hitchens, Cannibal Corpse, that comes along the lines of any New England teenager with time on their hands, curiosity and teh interwebz.


Moreover, it would make sense that prime, who has been on this earth for 7 years more than any of us and has had to battle even more demons WHILE living in the Bible Belt would have less "intellectual" limitations and a broader perspective on the matter at hand.

If someone who has had problems with alcohol and strip club and despised his faith and then changed his mind and then went back to his ways and then found God again can't convince you that he's more open minded than someone who said, this is a lie for such and such reasons and I'm sticking by my guns, then you aren't being sincere to yourself dude.

[gigantes]

Dude, he's our Polish-Dutch emissary.

Americans, from my experience, are much brighter than the way they speak. Especially urban people and autistic people. Much, much brighter. Just reading his posts helps you articulate thoughts in an erudite manner and can serve you well in Europe.
well we're all special for a multiplicity of reasons, so sod that, mate.

but if dresta is indeed our polish-dutch ambassador, what has he really taught us about the region and peoples? that they are all as heavily-focused, philosophically-tetchy, and relentlessly long-winded as him...?

I THINK NOT, HERR COMMANDANT!

...which is a shame, because overall that dude is pretty damn interesting. but i highly doubt he's their godamn ambassador and all.

but f-ck it, i'm not here to evaluate the intelligence of cultures. i mean J$, when i speak to latinos i've learned to talk a certain way... when i speak to americans, ditto... europeans, ditto... crazy slavs, ditto again.

SPEAKING a 'language' is more than just wordplay, yo... it's social-understanding and psychology.

...which i tend to suck at, true... but that's also EXACTLY why i wish you lovely mofos could teach me a little more on these endless feuds upon MJ - WWE - lebron - kobe - hulk - lebron

bring it, mofos!