Who do you rate higher, Patrick Ewing or Alonzo Mourning?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Overall careers and primes.

[Round Mound]

Ewing ofcourse...

[WayOfWade]

Mourning, by virtue of his title

[smoovegittar]

Almost nobody could handle Ewing at his prime. But Zo came back from bad health and got Miami a chip, so he gets my vote.

[Duderonomy]

Ewing without question. Zo was never a top 5 center at any given time. His 2006 title has less merit than D-Rob's in 2003.

[Round Mound]

People giving Zo props for having a ring as a role player :facepalm . Most people here never saw Prime Ewing :no: . Zo was basically just a defender while Ewing was a beast as both an ofensive and defensive player!

[RRR3]

People giving Zo props for having a ring as a role player :facepalm . Most people here never saw Prime Ewing :no: . Zo was basically just a defender while Ewing was a beast as both an ofensive and defensive player!
Average between 19-23 PPG every year from 93-00.


"Just a defender doe"

[Round Mound]

Average between 19-23 PPG every year from 93-00.


"Just a defender doe"

Zo was very limited offenisvely and had no post moves at all. He had a good jumper thats about it. Ewing was the best far range shooting center ever, had a great post game GREAT!. He was also a great defenisvely, a shot blocker, a good rebounder and was a leader unlike Zo.

You never saw Prime Ewing play and also, it was a fact that Zo saw Ewing as superior to him too.

[chocolatethunder]

This is a joke. Zo was good and a solid player but very awkward offensively. Ewing was head and shoulders above him. It's not even close.

[eliteballer]

Ewing easily. No one at the time thought Zo was on his level.

Zo was always viewed as being just outside the big 4 of Shaq, Olajuwon, Robinson, and Ewing.

[PsychoWorm]

Ewing without question. Zo was never a top 5 center at any given time. His 2006 title has less merit than D-Rob's in 2003.

Zo finished 2nd in MVP voting in 98-99 and then finished 3rd the next season before he was diagnosed after sydney olympics in 2000.

[eliteballer]

This is a joke. Zo was good and a solid player but very awkward offensively. Ewing was head and shoulders above him. It's not even close.

I wouldn't say he was "very awkward" offensively. Certainly not Dwight awkward. Had a decent jumper and hook shot. Could attack the rim for slams. Was mobile. He didn't have any really bad weaknesses(other than FT's) like bad hands or coordination.

He just wasn't great at anything which his PPG would indicate.

[eliteballer]

Mourning was definitely a top 5 center in 98, 99, and 2000.

I mean hell he was all nba first team over Shaq in 99.

[DonDadda59]

Ewing by a very comfortable margin. That's taking absolutely nothing away from Zo who was a stud.

[PsychoWorm]

Seriously but Ewing was better he just had a presence about him on the court that was only comparable to Hakeem. He always had to carry his team and never had that 2nd star to play with. Played in the toughest era for C's. Underrated for sure these days.

I would take Ewing over D-Rob if I was picking a team right now to.

[Akrazotile]

Well. Ewing gets overrated and Zo gets underrated.

Doesnt answer the question... Nonetheless that's what I'd like to point out.

[houston]

This is a joke. Zo was good and a solid player but very awkward offensively. Ewing was head and shoulders above him. It's not even close.


this true

[kennethgriffin]

is this a joke?

patrick ewing and it really isnt even f*cking close


prime = 29/11

career = 13 years over 20ppg

7 time all nba



alonzo = 7 years over 20ppg

prime = 23/10

2 time all nba





zo was better at defense. but he had less than half of the offensive moves



ewing should realistically be a 2 time champ..


hes top 25-30 all time... alonzo is top 45-50

[iamgine]

I think it goes something like this:

1. Kareem
2. Wilt/Russell
4. Shaq/Hakeem
6. Moses
7. Drob
8. Ewing

[kennethgriffin]

I think it goes something like this:

1. Kareem
2. Wilt/Russell
4. Shaq/Hakeem
6. Moses
7. Drob
8. Ewing

you forgot about george mikan

his career is top 20 all time.

hes ahead of robinson and ewing.



mikan would have been a 5 time mvp if there was an award

he woulda been a 5 time finals mvp if there was an award

first team all nba every year he played except his last season

23/13 career average

24/14 playoff average


if he doesnt count cause his era was weaker. then give bill and wilt less credit too

[iamgine]

you forgot about george mikan

his career is top 20 all time.

hes ahead of robinson and ewing.



mikan would have been a 5 time mvp if there was an award

he woulda been a 5 time finals mvp if there was an award

first team all nba every year he played except his last season

23/13 career average

24/14 playoff average


if he doesnt count cause his era was weaker. then give bill and wilt less credit too
George Mikan is a pioneer. You don't include the pioneers, he's ranked at #0.

[oarabbus]

I'll go with the guy who's in Space Jam

[bizil]

Easily Big Pat! And that's no knock on Zo because he was a beast. But in terms of athletic ability, physicality, defensive ability, and scoring skillset as a package, Big Pat is a top 3 center of all time. Peak or GOAT wise, I'm not saying Pat is in the top three. But for the combination I stated, I think he's in the top 3 centers of all time.

For the combo I stated, u got the Dream, Admiral, and Ewing for my top three. All three were great defenders. All three could dominate from midrange shooting. All three could control the paint on both ends of the court.

Ironically, Zo had the same attributes. BUT at 6'10 he was an undersized center. So he wasn't as prolific at it as Pat, Dream, or David. But other than them, he ranks VERY HIGH in that realm!!

[CJ Mustard]

Ewing was a much better all around player.

[imdaman99]

C'mon man, you can't be serious. Ewing easily. The only negative I have to say about Ewing is he got manhandled by Hakeem in 94 and his guarantees that always came up short. But Ewing handled Zo almost every time, even when they were favored.

Ewing >>>>> Zo

[NBAplayoffs2001]

C'mon man, you can't be serious. Ewing easily. The only negative I have to say about Ewing is he got manhandled by Hakeem in 94 and his guarantees that always came up short. But Ewing handled Zo almost every time, even when they were favored.

Ewing >>>>> Zo

Hey 94, you can arguably blame John Starks or Oak's attempt of a long pass in Game 6 within the last 2-3 mins of the game.

[chocolatethunder]

I wouldn't say he was "very awkward" offensively. Certainly not Dwight awkward. Had a decent jumper and hook shot. Could attack the rim for slams. Was mobile. He didn't have any really bad weaknesses(other than FT's) like bad hands or coordination.

He just wasn't great at anything which his PPG would indicate.
I'm not sure which Zo you grew up watching but I grew up watching the one who was very awkward and almost uncoordinated offensively. He was stiff as stiff could be and couldn't dribble. He was a solid all around player but was not in Ewings league. He also punched like a girl haha.

[Paul George 24]

Well. Ewing gets overrated and Zo gets underrated.

Doesnt answer the question... Nonetheless that's what I'd like to point out.

ZO GET OWNED BY EWING UNTIL EWING GET HURT

[jayfan]

Mourning, by virtue of his title

Come on. :facepalm


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[JohnnySic]

Ewing without question. Zo was never a top 5 center at any given time. His 2006 title has less merit than D-Rob's in 2003.
Yes he was; early-mid 90's he was behind Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, and Ewing. So, fifth.

And that's some stiff competition. He'd be the #1 center now or at worst #2 behind Cousins.

[DMV2]

Ewing never had a #2 option like Tim Hardaway Sr., yet he was able to lead his team to Game 7 of the Finals. Sure it took Jordan to play baseball to do it but he still did it.

Zo & Tim Sr., a legit one-two punch, were #1 and #2 seeds for like 3 straight years, yet got knocked out by Ewing and the Knicks twice. '99 Ewing was injured, that's even more embarrassing.

Also, you may question if they were true franchise players or not, Ewing was at least a #1 option for about a good decade, while Mourning was only about 5 years. While 5 of those years resulted in a #1 and #2 upsets by the Knicks.

[thefatmiral]

Alonzo was great at his role best of the mid class centers. Ewing bottom tier of the elite. Chewing did more carrying a team to success.

[ClipperRevival]

Ewing and it's not even close.

[LAZERUSS]

Ewing and it's not even close.

This is all that needed be said.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[JellyBean]

Overall careers and primes.

U joking, right?

Pat Ewing without a doubt.

[Dragonyeuw]

How is this a question? Ewing was a tier 1 center with shaq, admiral and hakeem in the 90's( he was more mobile and active in the late 80s). Mourning was a great defensive center and could get you 20, but he wasnt someone you could base your offense around and get very far. Mourning was on the next tier with Mutumbo.

Ewing was just a better overall anchor to base your team around. I think if the Knicks had beaten the Bulls in 92 or 93 I think they beat Portland and Phoenix. As it was, they took Houston to 7 and may have won had Starks not stunk up the joint in the final game.

[Akrazotile]

This is why "number 1 option" shit is so retarded. Basketball is a team sport. A player's value isnt tied to his ppg.

Would you rather have Dennis Rodman on your team or Al Jefferson? But but but Jefferson is a number 1 optionds!

Would you rather have Steve Nash or Monta Ellis? But bbbut Monta scores more pointses!!

Iverson or Dwight Howard? But Iverson is the man cuz scoring titles!!! Dwight post game is ugly his 20 points dont look sexy hes not first optionz.


The Knicks won a conference finala without Ewing. How is that possible without their all-indispensible "first option"!!!?? Guess he wasnt all that integral afterall.

Not trying to say Ewing wasnt a good player, but the retarded way people look at and measure these things ends up getting him pretty overrated. He wasnt a huge difference maker. He got a lot of touches as the de facto "star" and had a good team around him. Okay, great. He was really never that dominant. His IMPACT was not significantly greater than someone like Mourning.

[Akrazotile]

Zo was 17 points on 58 TS%
Pat was 21 points on 55 TS%

Ooooh, wowzers, clearly Zo was not first option material, and Ewing was because he looked more aesthetic getting his volume. First optinz!!!


Career WS/48

Zo: .166
Chew: .150



:confusedshrug:

[Smoke117]

Ewing...obviously.

[Cold soul]

Ewing was much better all around player.

[G-train]

Ewing without question. Zo was never a top 5 center at any given time. His 2006 title has less merit than D-Rob's in 2003.

Garbage. He was second in MVP in 99, and third in 00.
Name 5 centres better that season.

[G-train]

Zo was very limited offenisvely and had no post moves at all. He had a good jumper thats about it. Ewing was the best far range shooting center ever, had a great post game GREAT!. He was also a great defenisvely, a shot blocker, a good rebounder and was a leader unlike Zo.

You never saw Prime Ewing play and also, it was a fact that Zo saw Ewing as superior to him too.

Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Overflowing with cow terd.

[G-train]

This is a joke. Zo was good and a solid player but very awkward offensively. Ewing was head and shoulders above him. It's not even close.

Zo is a Hall of Fame brilliant centre. Not 'good and solid'. He was not awkward offensively at all. He was a beast. He has a hook left and right, had huge powerful turn and face driving ability, good hit short and mid range J, could drop step, up and under, finish on the break and off the glass. Not sure you ever say him play.

[G-train]

Ewing and it's not even close.

It's very close. Mourning was every bit Ewing's equal as a player, it's only his kidney disease cutting short his career that stopped him surpassing him.
Ewing wins based on extra longevity.
Both brilliant centres.

[jstern]

This question is a little bit of a joke, in that if you go back in time to when they were playing, no one would be asking this question, unless they were huge Miami Heat fans.

[Hey Yo]

This is why "number 1 option" shit is so retarded. Basketball is a team sport. A player's value isnt tied to his ppg.

Would you rather have Dennis Rodman on your team or Al Jefferson? But but but Jefferson is a number 1 optionds!

Would you rather have Steve Nash or Monta Ellis? But bbbut Monta scores more pointses!!

Iverson or Dwight Howard? But Iverson is the man cuz scoring titles!!! Dwight post game is ugly his 20 points dont look sexy hes not first optionz.


The Knicks won a conference finala without Ewing. How is that possible without their all-indispensible "first option"!!!?? Guess he wasnt all that integral afterall.

Not trying to say Ewing wasnt a good player, but the retarded way people look at and measure these things ends up getting him pretty overrated. He wasnt a huge difference maker. He got a lot of touches as the de facto "star" and had a good team around him. Okay, great. He was really never that dominant. His IMPACT was not significantly greater than someone like Mourning.
Knicks won the ECF as a fluke much lower seeded team. Then got destroyed by the Spurs. Implying that the Knicks were better and able to win w/o Ewing (in his like 15th year) is asinine.

Ewing's impact not greater than, ZO's??? You must be trollin', brah.

[G-train]

This question is a little bit of a joke, in that if you go back in time to when they were playing, no one would be asking this question, unless they were huge Miami Heat fans.

This is how I know you dont know what you are talking about.

At any point that Zo was at Miami, he was at least Ewing's equal, and was mostly a better player.
At Charlotte, during Mourning's first 3 seasons, Ewing was indeed considered a better player. And obviously before Mourning started playing, Ewing was a better player.
That being said, Mourning averaged 21/10 and 3 blocks in this first 3 seasons, and was only slightly less effective as Ewing even then.

If a rookie centre played as well as Mourning these days,
Twitter/myspace/facebook/internet would explode and never recover.

[plowking]

G-train has gone full stan mode.

I'm a Heat fan, and it is comfortably Ewing. Dude was just a better player. Saying that though, I feel as if Mourning should have got 1 MVP, and Ewing doesn't deserve any.

[Cali Syndicate]

This is how I know you dont know what you are talking about.

At any point that Zo was at Miami, he was at least Ewing's equal, and was mostly a better player.
At Charlotte, during Mourning's first 3 seasons, Ewing was indeed considered a better player. And obviously before Mourning started playing, Ewing was a better player.
That being said, Mourning averaged 21/10 and 3 blocks in this first 3 seasons, and was only slightly less effective as Ewing even then.

If a rookie centre played as well as Mourning these days,
Twitter/myspace/facebook/internet would explode and never recover.

Id prefer mourning because he was a stronger anchor on defense but overall, ewing was a more complete player.

[Human Error]

Ewing was better but Zo is getting too much hate here. Kids these days think that they have to bash someone to say the other is better, but the truth is you can praise Ewing without saying bad things about Zo. Zo didn't have any post game? Come on son, he had a very solid drop step and unblockable hook shot that was confortable with both hands. And Zo was probably a better driver to the rim. Zo was an all NBA 1st teamer while Shaq was in his prime and it should tell you something.

[G-train]

G-train has gone full stan mode.

I'm a Heat fan, and it is comfortably Ewing. Dude was just a better player. Saying that though, I feel as if Mourning should have got 1 MVP, and Ewing doesn't deserve any.

Well actually I don't think you read my responses.
I said Ewing was a better player when rating their careers.
However I said that IMO Mourning would have surpassed him if not for the disease. I'm talking about a top 3 MVP player 2 years in a row, then next season basically its career over from the kidney disease at age 29 in his peak. That's just my opinion, but it's without argument that he would go close.
I also said that when at Miami, Mourning was better than Ewing was at the time, which even if you want to disagree, its definitely close.
I don't get where this 'comfortably' comes from. Sure, Ewing was a more polished offensive player, but Mourning was also a perennial 20ppg+ scorer.
On top of that Mourning was every bit the rebounder and defender, and also was a huge intangibles player.
I don't believe many people here saw him in his peak, where as I watched 100's of Ewing and Mourning games.
Both HoF centres, and I put Ewing slightly ahead.

[Ass Dan]

EWING, are we really this dumb?

Who is better Deke or Hakeem?:lol

ISH has reached a new low...

[Lebron23]

Patrick Ewing. He was a better playoffs performer than Alonzo Mourning, and he was just on another level in the regular season.

[Round Mound]

EWING, are we really this dumb?

Who is better Deke or Hakeem?:lol

ISH has reached a new low...

:applause:

[AnaheimLakers24]

Alonzo is 2nd only to wade as best heat players. No one else comes close to thise guys. All heat fans agree

[chocolatethunder]

Alonzo is 2nd only to wade as best heat players. No one else comes close to thise guys. All heat fans agree
Unfortunately for him he's being compared to Patrick Ewing and not other Heat players. Ewing was much better than he was.

[bizil]

At his peak, Zo was a MVP level center and first to second team All NBA kind of player. At his best, truly an HOF kind of guy. The health problems did stop Zo from truly having the career he could have had. And for centers listed at 6'10 and under, I think he was the best two way player of all time. With that said, Ewing was clearly the superior center. Peak and GOAT wise, Pat is in the top 10 centers to ever do it.

[smoovegittar]

G-train has gone full stan mode.

I'm a Heat fan, and it is comfortably Ewing. Dude was just a better player. Saying that though, I feel as if Mourning should have got 1 MVP, and Ewing doesn't deserve any.
Right here. Been a Knick fan since long before Pat... hated the Heat like crazy, but Zo won my respect with his heart and he managed to become a team player and win a title. Yes, Ewing dominated and had better game all around. But I rate Zo higher.

[Sarcastic]

G-train has gone full stan mode.

I'm a Heat fan, and it is comfortably Ewing. Dude was just a better player. Saying that though, I feel as if Mourning should have got 1 MVP, and Ewing doesn't deserve any.


1990 Ewing was better than any year that Mourning ever had. 29/11/2/4 blocks and 1st team All NBA. And he finished 5th in MVP voting that year. That's how competitive the NBA was back then, and also why winning MVPs in the past >>> winning MVPs in today's era.

[Round Mound]

1990 Ewing was better than any year that Mourning ever had. 29/11/2/4 blocks and 1st team All NBA. And he finished 5th in MVP voting that year. That's how competitive the NBA was back then, and also why winning MVPs in the past >>> winning MVPs in today's era.

:applause:

[dreamwarrior]

Ewing was the better talent. That said, I'd pick Zo before Ewing. Zo was a better team player, better leader, better everything except scoring.