Lebron : "I'd be prime Jordan 1 on 1" LOL

[imnew09]

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=4152896&id=13439563&src=desktop&ex_cid=ESPNFB


Lebeta is taking his hollywood comedian role too serious

[Dr Hawk]

I like him saying that. Confidence

[Cocaine80s]

He would be prime jordan 1 on 1?


the fvck, get kobes dick out of ur asshole dumb bitch

[AnaheimLakers24]

Jordan 11
bron 3

game to 11, made basket takes out, no refs

[Young X]

Jordan would body him.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://i.gyazo.com/440873d893aa3af781dfa658c3e20275.png

ESPN genius with their breakdowns/"info"

[andgar923]

James, though, did at least acknowledge that beating Jordan wouldn't be easy, telling Today: "I'll tell you one thing -- they're gonna have to have a few wheelchairs and a couple ambulances there to get us off the floor."
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Fallen Angel]

Someone post Lebron airballing a practice three

[Rose'sACL]

Everyone knows that the smaller player always win in 1v1. MJ used to back down hakeem in the post, lebron will not be a problem. Jordan also used to defend centers in the post so lebron who is only 50 pounds heavier will be no problem.

[Megabox!]

Someone post Lebron airballing a practice three
What does that have to do with anything being discussed in this thread?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Lebron is a mediocre one on one/ISO player.nikkas always bring up his size and strength and create this imaginary player in one on ines but he never used it optimally, wouldn't just drive on every play or back nikkas down

[HighFlyer23]

MJ would stomp this n1kka

[buddha]

i'm not even sure LeBron could beat current Jordan. LeBron isn't a 1 on 1 player.

[buddha]

Someone post Lebron airballing a practice three

http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/lebron.gif

[imnew09]

http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/lebron.gif


:biggums: :biggums:

[D-Wait]

http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/lebron.gif

:roll: :facepalm

Dat spin doe

[Lebronxrings]

What does that have to do with anything being discussed in this thread?
nothing, its just lebron haters being haters

[Lebronxrings]

On topic, lebron would beat jordan. How the hell woud jordan guard lebron 1v1, you get up to close, he blows by. Get in his face, he posts you up. Give him room, he shoots that jumper. Lebron can guard jordan well, vice versa is a huge mismatch.

[kamil]

http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/lebron.gif

Yah this is the guy people think can top MJ? LOL.

How is it possible that there are so many dumbasses out there that can be so delusional??

[TheMan]

Jordan wins but I see no problem with him saying this, it's not out of the realm of possibility and it's not like he's some no name scrub. If LeBron would've said he'd lose to Jordan, y'all would be complaining that he's beta af :facepalm

[gilalizard]

I really hope this is part of some viral marketing campaign for that sad attempt at copy-catting Jordan movie Space Jam 2. I hope he's saying utterly foolish things like this because some marketing team has told him to.

Because if not, if he really believes this, he genuinely needs psychological help. Or an intervention. Or both. Seriously, like a Britney Spears level of intervention and constant supervision so he doesn't hurt himself.

The pounding reality of 2/6 and never being able to match Jordan has beaten what little brain he ever had into jelly. The stress of coming up so short (so often) in comparison to Jordan has destroyed his mind, as badly as it has destroyed his hairline.

LeBald needs help guys.

[Angel Face]

Iggy locked him down held him to atrocious fg% when defending him. Imagine prime MJ defending him, top 1 - 2 goat perimeter defender of all time, greatest 1 on 1 player of all time. With no team mates to rely on, Lebron would get schooled so bad.

[inclinerator]

I really hope this is part of some viral marketing campaign for that sad attempt at copy-catting Jordan movie Space Jam 2. I hope he's saying utterly foolish things like this because some marketing team has told him to.

Because if not, if he really believes this, he genuinely needs psychological help. Or an intervention. Or both. Seriously, like a Britney Spears level of intervention and constant supervision so he doesn't hurt himself.

The pounding reality of 2/6 and never being able to match Jordan has beaten what little brain he ever had into jelly. The stress of coming up so short (so often) in comparison to Jordan has destroyed his mind, as badly as it has destroyed his hairline.

LeBald needs help guys.

not sure if srs

[Marchesk]

http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/lebron.gif

Imagine when kids 20 years from now use that to hate on the current era. At least you never see an air balled layup from the 60s.

[20Four]

Someone post Lebron airballing a practice three

http://i.imgur.com/rjGB4DI.gif

There you go mang :cheers:

[Marchesk]

http://i.imgur.com/rjGB4DI.gif

Was he warming for the finals?

[RRR3]

Jordan wins but I see no problem with him saying this, it's not out of the realm of possibility and it's not like he's some no name scrub. If LeBron would've said he'd lose to Jordan, y'all would be complaining that he's beta af :facepalm
LeBron can't win on ISH, haven't you realized this?

[RRR3]

Was he warming for the finals?
No, that's LeBron in the gif, not Wilt.

[STATUTORY]

http://i.imgur.com/rjGB4DI.gif

There you go mang :cheers:


why he coughing at the end? Brawn SICK!?

[Hey Yo]

I really hope this is part of some viral marketing campaign for that sad attempt at copy-catting Jordan movie Space Jam 2. I hope he's saying utterly foolish things like this because some marketing team has told him to.

Because if not, if he really believes this, he genuinely needs psychological help. Or an intervention. Or both. Seriously, like a Britney Spears level of intervention and constant supervision so he doesn't hurt himself.

The pounding reality of 2/6 and never being able to match Jordan has beaten what little brain he ever had into jelly. The stress of coming up so short (so often) in comparison to Jordan has destroyed his mind, as badly as it has destroyed his hairline.

LeBald needs help guys.
Guessing the time and effort you put into making your post is what makes it so ****ing dumb!

:roll: :roll:

[gilalizard]

not sure if srs

well im not sure if lebaldo is srs

If he is, his mental condition has likely deteriorated to dangerous-to-himself levels. The guy could hurt himself when confronted by the inarguable reality that he'll never measure up to Jordan.

Worse, there are increasingly strong arguments he's not even in second place, nor ever will be. That reality may well have bored its way into his mind and badly unbalanced him. A mind, let's be honest, that was never all that strong to begin with

[gilalizard]

Guessing the time and effort you put into making your post is what makes it so ****ing dumb!

:roll: :roll:

Just took like 2-3 minutes mate. Observing reality doesn't take that long. Try it sometime. We all have our own personal firsts.

[Megabox!]

Imagine when kids 20 years from now use that to hate on the current era. At least you never see an air balled layup from the 60s.
Instead they had guys dribbling with their heads down like a bunch of 2nd graders

[RRR3]

Still remember gilalizards meltdown after 2012 finals. Dude still hasn't recovered.

No one even knows who he cheers for, literally all he posts about is why LeBron sucks. :facepalm


If LeBron wins another ring, they'll probably have to take him to an insane asylum (assuming he's not already in one)

[gilalizard]

Still remember gilalizards meltdown after 2012 finals. Dude still hasn't recovered.

No one even knows who he cheers for, literally all he posts about is why LeBron sucks. :facepalm


If LeBron wins another ring, they'll probably have to take him to an insane asylum (assuming he's not already in one)

I'm out on a weekend pass.

[WayOfWade]

Let's be real, if they play 1 game, Jordan probably wins. Give them 6 games, and LeBron would beat Jordan at least twice.

[VeeCee15]

Lebron had trouble scoring efficiently against Andre Igoudala on single coverage..I don't think he can even surely beat Igoudala 1on1.

The Jordan comment is laughable..no way in hell is anyone beating Jordan 1v1 EXCEPT maybe SHAQ cause he can't be stopped by 3 guys. Jordan would miss some shots..shaq would just post him up and dunk all over him

[iamgine]

1 on 1 Lebron should beat Jordan more times than not if both plays seriously. He's taller and significantly heavier, which isn't good news for Jordan. Unfortunately, I don't think Lebron is into that "ultra-competitive playing for bragging only, might need ambulance" type of thing while Jordan definitely was so in theory Lebron wins but in real life without a something serious at stake I think Jordan wins.

[sdot_thadon]

I've never understood this conversation, as if size doesn't matter in a one on one game....
Maybe 1st cavs run lebron loses to prime mj more than he wins but I don't think the same applies for veteran lebron who actually discovered he's bigger than mike. Hed be way too strong. Mj would have to get the 1st make and never miss.

[Lebron23]

Still remember gilalizards meltdown after 2012 finals. Dude still hasn't recovered.

No one even knows who he cheers for, literally all he posts about is why LeBron sucks. :facepalm


If LeBron wins another ring, they'll probably have to take him to an insane asylum (assuming he's not already in one)


The guy is a lunatic.

[Bankaii]

Let's be real, if they play 1 game, Jordan probably wins. Give them 6 games, and LeBron would beat Jordan at least twice.
It was a nice try man, good effort. But your jokes are lamer than Wade's knees.

[kennethgriffin]

lebron couldnt even beat iggy or kawhi 1 on 1

hows he gonna beat prime MJ


:biggums:

[kennethgriffin]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/lebronkawhi.gif

[branslowski]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/lebronkawhi.gif

He was scared of Kawhi checking into the game to gaurd him:facepalm

What a f*cking Beta...

[Lebron23]

He was scared of Kawhi checking into the game to gaurd him:facepalm

What a f*cking Beta...


That gif is actually from the 2013 NBA Finals where Lebron and the Heat won the series.

[KembaWalker]

That gif is actually from the 2013 NBA Finals where Lebron and the Heat won the series.

How's that make a difference, he still looks shook af :biggums:

[Asukal]

People acting like Lebron is this extremely big and unstoppable force... :whatever:

The definition of big and unstoppable is prime Shaq. :no:

Prime Jordan would embarrass that beta in any kind of basketball game, 1 on 1, 5 on 5, especially in a playoff game. :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

How's that make a difference, he still looks shook af :biggums:


Jimmy Butler is the best Lebron defender. I don't understand the logic that the people are saying that Kawhi shutdown LeBron. His teammates was the no.1 reason why the lost in the Finals. LeBron played very well in 2014.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lets be real... Midway through the 1-on-1, LeBron would cry to Dwyane and Kyrie for help.

[WolfGang]

I give it to Lebron. In his prime he was really like 270. In a pick up game with no refs, Lebron would body him. It would be close but I give it to Bron.

[AirFederer]

MJ`s mid range game would kill Bron, who has none of that. And Mike would blow by him at will. Drive and kick doesn?t work here :oldlol: Of course Bron would also get a few games here and there.

But lettuce be real - If you want to beat MJ you also have to beat him mentally. An even bigger feat than beating him physically.

And how long would it take Mike to get into Brons head, and torment him? Not very long :lol Mike also the GOAT trashtalker. Bron would soon find his place..

http://blog.masslive.com/basketball-hall-of-fame/2009/06/large_062609d%20delany%20and%20jordan.jpg

[Myth]

If he can't beat Iggy in iso, how is he supposed to beat Jordan?

[Sakkreth]

Someone post Lebron airballing a practice three
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSe80qSgXVA

Here u go.

[KembaWalker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSe80qSgXVA

Here u go.

Topic name about LeBron and Jordan

Bran stan brings up Kobe :roll:

Kobe living inside yo' head bruh, it's too damn easy

Also......R-R-R-R-REMIX!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4

[Alamо]

Where is tihs coming from? I got my money on Deandre though

[Alamо]

That gif is actually from the 2013 NBA Finals where Ray Allen and the Heat won the series.



fixed

[#number6ix#]

Lebron has a shot... KD would wreck jordan

[pauk]

I recommend any of you out there right now to just walk up to the first stranger you see who preferably plays some sport / is a good athlete, that has about 60-80 lbs of muscle more than you and is about 2-3" taller or just find somebody random like that on the courts... he can suck at basketball while you have some of the greatest skills in your town, it wont matter, he will kill you... I have learned this lesson many times, you will just get physically overwhelmed, backed down / pushed around like a small kid all the way under the hoop where he will lay it in over and over & if he is as fast (or faster) its even less fair..... You will have to hit all your jumpers/runners etc. in a row to 11 (or 21) or else he gets the ball and you get embarrassed...

I think MJ is the GOAT and all that.... but 1on1 against a NBA player who has skills & is probably even more athletic, with half more of his size... he will be ragdolled...

[SexSymbol]

I recommend any of you out there right now to just walk up to the first stranger you see who preferably plays some sport / is a good athlete, that has about 60-80 lbs of muscle more than you and is about 2-3" taller or just find somebody random like that on the courts... he can suck at basketball while you have some of the greatest skills in your town, it wont matter, he will kill you... I have learned this lesson many times, you will just get physically overwhelmed, backed down / pushed around like a small kid all the way under the hoop where he will lay it in over and over & if he is as fast (or faster) its even less fair..... You will have to hit all your jumpers/runners etc. in a row to 11 (or 21) or else he gets the ball and you get embarrassed...

I think MJ is the GOAT and all that.... but 1on1 against a NBA player who has skills & is probably even more athletic, with half more of his size... he will be ragdolled...
Do you seriously believe that LeBron has 80 lbs more muscle than Jordan?
And in 1x1 game size is pretty much nothing, I've beaten many taller guys that played game longer than me. How come Kobe pushed LBJ around then, he's the same size as Jordan
Physical advantage in 1x1 game is pretty useless.

[pauk]

Do you seriously believe that LeBron has 80 lbs more muscle than Jordan?

Lebron is 60-80 lbs heavier than Jordan was, ofcourse all that is not muscle... but lets just say there is more muscle, significantly more muscle.... strength... accompanied with the same or even better speed/quickness...


How come Kobe pushed LBJ around then, he's the same size as Jordan

Hhahaha! What!?!? Where did you see this?? He never did... nor did Lebron try back him down much rather face him up and settle for a jumpshot back then (2003-2006 somewhere), once he started posting up/backing down people he tried that on Kobe aswell and ever since then Kobe has not ever tried guarding Lebron for more than a minute....




And in 1x1 game size is pretty much nothing, I've beaten many taller guys that played game longer than me.

Longer? Was he stronger & more athletic aswell? Could he dribble the ball at all? Did he not post you up?



Physical advantage in 1x1 game is pretty useless.

You dont know what you are talking about...

Here is some footage of a 45 year old Kareem Abdul Jabbar schooling Julius Erving.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WagLsOTNlF8

Erving had a better jumpshot, had better handles, is faster/quicker.... does that matter when somebody backs you down and hits 100% of shots because he lays them in right under the basket?

Im sorry, but 1on1 no teammate can help you against a mismatch.... and some player with the physique of Malone or Lebron is a much bigger mismatch for Jordan than the other way around 1on1....

Size (with athleticism especially) does matter, its the laws of nature... you go ahead and try stop somebody 50 feet taller than you and see how little that matters.... or why not just challenge your little brother for some 1on1 and ask him if size / strength etc. matters....

Somebody like Malone (at the very VERY least somebody like Pippen) would be a much better match for Lebron
Somebody like Kobe would be a more fair match for Jordan.

[Quickening]

People on ish obviously don't play much 1v1 basketball, if someone has a good handle and has 50 pounds of muscle on you, and is good at finishing around the rim. Good luck beating them.

Prime MJ would be more aesthetic, but if Lebron wanted to, he could just win ugly, by repeatedly backing him down. Whilst leaving MJ to make jump shots.

[pauk]

If there was an all-time NBA 1on1 battle i can guarantee you somebody like Hakeem would end up winning it all the time...

[DCL]

you can ask all the nba players in the top 25 who'd they take in 1 on 1 vs. anybody from any era, and most of them would probably answer they'd take themselves over anyone without blinking an eye.

i think you need to be a little delusional when you're at that level.

[Trollsmasher]

itt: Jordan never missed a shot badly

[RidonKs]

I recommend any of you out there right now to just walk up to the first stranger you see who preferably plays some sport / is a good athlete, that has about 60-80 lbs of muscle more than you and is about 2-3" taller or just find somebody random like that on the courts... he can suck at basketball while you have some of the greatest skills in your town, it wont matter, he will kill you... I have learned this lesson many times, you will just get physically overwhelmed, backed down / pushed around like a small kid all the way under the hoop where he will lay it in over and over & if he is as fast (or faster) its even less fair..... You will have to hit all your jumpers/runners etc. in a row to 11 (or 21) or else he gets the ball and you get embarrassed...

I think MJ is the GOAT and all that.... but 1on1 against a NBA player who has skills & is probably even more athletic, with half more of his size... he will be ragdolled...
depends, i've played guys bigger than me and won, but i have a strong center of gravity

mj might have the stronger center of gravity per pound than anybody in the history of the league. size matters when the big guy can just push the small guy off his defense spot. lebron may be a beast but mj isn't falling over with a nudge. it'd be way harder than backing in for layups every time dude.

expectation is for both sides to take a lot of midrange jumpers because they won't be able to beat the other to the hoop. lebron has size but mike makes more than he misses. game over.

[Take Your Lumps]

http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/lebron.gif

nikka chase down blocked himself.

[G0ATbe]

Notice whenever Godbe says he'd body LeBald 1 on 1 he stays silent. And Jordan already admitted he'd get slaughtered by Godbe too.

GOAT gonna GOAT.:applause:

[RidonKs]

nikka chase down blocked himself.
:lol

[andgar923]

Same as some have mentioned.

I've beat a number of taller people than me.

Im 5'6 165 pounds and have beat guys up to 6'4 outweighing me a good margin. I've beat good athletic players that were bigger and stronger and lost to smaller players.:confusedshrug:

I've forced them into shooting faadeaway turnarounds on many occasions, while also forcing them to give up their dribble many times.

Lebron's handles are a joke.

MJ would make it hard for Bron to even dribble properly. Bron would be forced to back him up the majority of the time, but I doubt that he's smart enough to do that consistently. He'd probably start shooting fadeaway jumper after fadeaway jumper. Lebrun's style isn't going to beat MJ. Magic and Nique have a better shot at beating MJ.

[SwayDizzle]

I would never bet on LBJ beating MJ 1on1. The only man i would bet on beating MJ is Kobe.

[GIF REACTION]

Lebron is too big. Too strong. Too dominant.

[AirFederer]

Prime MJ would crush lBJ mentally in 5 minutes, lBJ would litteraly leave court limping and crying.

MJ was a stone cold killer, who would go straight for lBJs weakspot, which is his mind. It would soon get to Kwame Brown proportions.

GOAT gonna GOAT.

:lebroncry: :pimp:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

https://i.gyazo.com/440873d893aa3af781dfa658c3e20275.png

ESPN genius with their breakdowns/"info"

I actually unliked SportsCenter yesterday. I'm so sick of this same question that they seem try to push every summer.

[Quickening]

Same as some have mentioned.

I've beat a number of taller people than me.

Im 5'6 165 pounds and have beat guys up to 6'4 outweighing me a good margin. I've beat good athletic players that were bigger and stronger and lost to smaller players.:confusedshrug:

I've forced them into shooting faadeaway turnarounds on many occasions, while also forcing them to give up their dribble many times.

Lebron's handles are a joke.

MJ would make it hard for Bron to even dribble properly. Bron would be forced to back him up the majority of the time, but I doubt that he's smart enough to do that consistently. He'd probably start shooting fadeaway jumper after fadeaway jumper. Lebrun's style isn't going to beat MJ. Magic and Nique have a better shot at beating MJ.

No, if Lebron actually wanted to win, he would just back him down... what can MJ do against someone who has more length, is stronger and is elite at finishing around the rim.

Oh and Lebron actually has good handles for his size, no one in the NBA could dominate the ball as much as him with poor handles.

[Megabox!]

Prime MJ would crush lBJ mentally in 5 minutes, lBJ would litteraly leave court limping and crying.

MJ was a stone cold killer, who would go straight for lBJs weakspot, which is his mind. It would soon get to Kwame Brown proportions.

GOAT gonna GOAT.

:lebroncry: :pimp:
Lol @ this moron, nothing MJ would say or do would break him. You n*ggas on here act like MJ is the god damn Joker or something. Fans during the 2011 season have probably said worse shit to LBJ than MJ ever will.

[sd3035]

Shouldn't he be able to handle Jason Terry or Andre Iguodala beforfe stepping into the big leagues?

[kennethgriffin]

That gif is actually from the 2013 NBA Finals where Lebron and the Heat won the series.




http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2012/11/15/11-15-2012-ray-allen2.jpg

[Indian guy]

Hard to imagine LeBron losing to anyone 1-on-1. He can always guard you better than the other way around. LeBron's not only just as athletic as MJ, but also a good 50 pounds heavier and very skilled with the ball. Big guards like Magic and Clyde generally had their way against MJ. And neither of 'em are remotely close to being the freak LeBron is.

[nathanjizzle]

good god this lebron nikka is full of himself. he won 2 out of 6 rings now he thinks public perception of him is jordan esque.

[raprap]

That confidence. :applause:

Losers hating on Bron don't have that same competitive fire. Sad that most of them look up to Kobe too. :facepalm

[rmt]

The poll is running 80-20% MJ.:oldlol: I voted MJ too even though I can't stand him.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LeBron is not close to being the best 1-on-1 player...of any era. His greatest weapon is his ability to read and react off of other players on the court (in a TEAM setting), henceforth the pick n roll or pop, and the drive and kick. His 40-50 pound difference doesn't negate the fact, of the three (Mike, LeBron and Bean), he is the worst isolation player, with the fewest skills and improvisation to get his shots up. His game is solid but not spectacular. What's worse is he won't have anyone to pass to.

[Paul George 24]

:biggums: :biggums:
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Paul George 24]

On topic, lebron would beat jordan. How the hell woud jordan guard lebron 1v1, you get up to close, he blows by. Get in his face, he posts you up. Give him room, he shoots that jumper. Lebron can guard jordan well, vice versa is a huge mismatch.
LEBRON CAN'T HANDLE THE BALL AGAINST MIKE :banana:

[Paul George 24]

If there was an all-time NBA 1on1 battle i can guarantee you somebody like Hakeem would end up winning it all the time...

JORDAN WOULD BEAT LEBRON OFF THE DRIBBLE..........LEBRON WILL NO ANSWER AGAISNT JORDAN,PLUS JAMES IS NOT A GOOD MAN DEFENDER,JORDAN WOULD BEAT HIM EASILY

[Paul George 24]

Hard to imagine LeBron losing to anyone 1-on-1. He can always guard you better than the other way around. LeBron's not only just as athletic as MJ, but also a good 50 pounds heavier and very skilled with the ball. Big guards like Magic and Clyde generally had their way against MJ. And neither of 'em are remotely close to being the freak LeBron is.

JORDAN CAN FLY & WALK IN THE SKY :banana:
PLUS LBJ'S ONE ON ONE DEFENCE HAS NEVER BEEN GOOD DUE TO HIS POOR LATERALL SPEED

[gyu]

LeBron haters if he said MJ would beat him "What a beta"

LeBron haters if he said he would beat MJ "What a joke"

[Heavincent]

Everyone knows that the smaller player always win in 1v1. MJ used to back down hakeem in the post, lebron will not be a problem. Jordan also used to defend centers in the post so lebron who is only 50 pounds heavier will be no problem.

Iguodala is roughly the same size as Jordan and he shut Lebron down.

[GreggPopazit]

Jordan is/was the master at 1 on 1. We know very little about LeBron's 1 on 1 history.

[ekosky]

He right. :applause:

[scandisk_]

props to bron for not backing down and + with that confidence :applause:

but

Prime MJ 6/10

Prime Bron 4/10

MJ's first step is too quick and he's arsenal of moves ohh my golly.

[JT123]

People are forgetting just how much of a shut down defender prime Bron was. He shut down PEAK Rose like it was nothing. :eek: And LOL at idiots bringing up mid range game in a 1 vs 1 contest. As if Bron would ever have to settle for a jumper when he could just bully MJ in the post the entire time.

[TheMarkMadsen]

People are forgetting just how much of a shut down defender prime Bron was. He shut down PEAK Rose like it was nothing. :eek: And LOL at idiots bringing up mid range game in a 1 vs 1 contest. As if Bron would ever have to settle for a jumper when he could just bully MJ in the post the entire time.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

[JT123]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg
:facepalm Of course he couldn't bully JJ or he'd be called for offensive fouls. In 1 vs 1 there are no offensive fouls, and Bron would have MJ in the fetal position by the end of the game.

[20Four]

:facepalm Of course he couldn't bully JJ or he'd be called for offensive fouls. In 1 vs 1 there are no offensive fouls, and Bron would have MJ in the fetal position by the end of the game.

http://i.imgur.com/yQCfQPn.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

:facepalm Of course he couldn't bully JJ or he'd be called for offensive fouls. In 1 vs 1 there are no offensive fouls, and Bron would have MJ in the fetal position by the end of the game.

you should see the way jordan can run with the balll, of course he never tried this in a game or he would have been called for a travel but in 1 on 1 there are no travels

[OldSchoolBBall]

On topic, lebron would beat jordan. How the hell woud jordan guard lebron 1v1, you get up to close, he blows by. Get in his face, he posts you up. Give him room, he shoots that jumper. Lebron can guard jordan well, vice versa is a huge mismatch.

Get up close and he blows by? Err, no. Lebron has literally ZERO chance of blowing by prime Jordan, who had perhaps the quickest feet of any player above 6'4" in history. Give him room he shoots the jumper? That broken jumper, you mean? It's Lebron who would have no chance of defending Jordan, not the other way around. Lebron's best hope would be to bully Jordan inside in the post and try to barrel through him on drives, hoping that there are no offensive foul calls like he gets away with all the time in games.

[imnew09]

http://i.imgur.com/yQCfQPn.gif


Lecrap travelled too. Not even with the help of the refs

[Cold soul]

Leave MJ out of this matchup one on one between the two heck even prime Kobe destroys Lebron.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

People are forgetting just how much of a shut down defender prime Bron was. He shut down PEAK Rose like it was nothing. :eek: And LOL at idiots bringing up mid range game in a 1 vs 1 contest. As if Bron would ever have to settle for a jumper when he could just bully MJ in the post the entire time.

Say hi to all your other alts: Dragic, Lebronxrings, :cheers:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

http://i.imgur.com/yQCfQPn.gif

Could have easily just jumped a bit higher than Pierce and laid it up but he failed trying to pull a MJ post move. :oldlol:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

:facepalm Of course he couldn't bully JJ or he'd be called for offensive fouls. In 1 vs 1 there are no offensive fouls, and Bron would have MJ in the fetal position by the end of the game.

LBJ will still be 2 for 6 if that happens. :blah

[HighFlyer23]

Lebron would probably get shaken up by MJs trash talk

[Bankaii]

Leave MJ out of this matchup one on one between the two heck even prime Kobe destroys Lebron.
Lying to yourself won't make it any more true.
Lebron would rape Kobe Colorado style.

[Cold soul]

Lying to yourself won't make it any more true.
Lebron would rape Kobe Colorado style.

Lol says who you? :roll:

Troll.

[HighFlyer23]

Lying to yourself won't make it any more true.
Lebron would rape Kobe Colorado style.


Nobody is going to easily beat Kobe 1 on 1

[Bankaii]

Lol says who you? :roll:

Troll.
You're obviously a Kobetard.
For once try to think rationally.
Lebron is faster, bigger, stronger, a better scorer, and a more versatile defender.
1 on 1 isn't always about being the better player but having the right strengths to take advantage of.
But then again there's only like 5 people on this forum that can actually play ball, so maybe my expectations for you are too high.

[G0ATbe]

After watching Stephen Curry successfully guard LeBald on multiple occasions in this past finals I don't see how anyone could argue in LeBalds favor. He can't keep handle of his dribble against aggressive perimeter defense and when he's forced to pick it up he airballs fadeaways.

[SwayDizzle]

LBJ wouldn't be able to beat Durant 1v1, let alone MJ, let alone Kobe da 1v1 GAWD.

[Cold soul]

You're obviously a Kobetard.
For once try to think rationally.
Lebron is faster, bigger, stronger, a better scorer, and a more versatile defender.
1 on 1 isn't always about being the better player but having the right strengths to take advantage of.
But then again there's only like 5 people on this forum that can actually play ball, so maybe my expectations for you are too high.

I'm not Kobetard you are Lebron dick rider though. I've played basketball most of my life including a traveling team at one point also did summer tournaments so yeah don't judge someone when you don't even know who I am judging by your join date post count this is an alt.

[sdot_thadon]

Has anybody in this thread ever played one on one? Lots of silly statements in this thread. The one advantage Mj would for sure have over lebron would be quickness, while the sure advantage lebron would have is strentgh.

If we keep it real we've seen lebron deal with quickness better and far more often than we've seen Mj have to deal with strength. It's a no brainer. Lebron guards quicker players quite often and has done a respectable job for the most part, while we've never seen mj guard someone lebron's size outside of a stray play here and there. It's a no brainer.

[Paul George 24]

Has anybody in this thread ever played one on one? Lots of silly statements in this thread. The one advantage Mj would for sure have over lebron would be quickness, while the sure advantage lebron would have is strentgh.

If we keep it real we've seen lebron deal with quickness better and far more often than we've seen Mj have to deal with strength. It's a no brainer. Lebron guards quicker players quite often and has done a respectable job for the most part, while we've never seen mj guard someone lebron's size outside of a stray play here and there. It's a no brainer.

lebron can't graud any pg without any double team

[Paul George 24]

People are forgetting just how much of a shut down defender prime Bron was. He shut down PEAK Rose like it was nothing. :eek: And LOL at idiots bringing up mid range game in a 1 vs 1 contest. As if Bron would ever have to settle for a jumper when he could just bully MJ in the post the entire time.

he can't shut down rose without wade help him on double rose

[plowking]

Bigger players usually win. No surprise. Jordan probably doesn't beat a lot of dudes in 1 on 1.

[inclinerator]

http://i.imgur.com/yQCfQPn.gif
he was quadruple teamed

[nnn123]

The only guys that gave Jordan trouble were bigger guys that could post him up. LeBron has never had a post game until recently - however his defense is not that great anymore because he has lost quickness. If you could combine the defense of 2010 Lebron with the post game of 2015 Lebron he might have a shot but otherwise I would pick MJ.

[Bankaii]

I'm not Kobetard you are Lebron dick rider though. I've played basketball most of my life including a traveling team at one point also did summer tournaments so yeah don't judge someone when you don't even know who I am judging by your join date post count this is an alt.
Nah I like Bron more than Kobe, but far from being a stan of him. Just because I don't think Godbe is the GOAT doesn't mean I slurp Bron Bron. But you are a Kobe stan.
And I don't have the time to post on here, and already proved I'm not an alt.

[Asukal]

You're obviously a Kobetard.
For once try to think rationally.
Lebron is faster, bigger, stronger, a better scorer, and a more versatile defender.
1 on 1 isn't always about being the better player but having the right strengths to take advantage of.
But then again there's only like 5 people on this forum that can actually play ball, so maybe my expectations for you are too high.

Iggy isn't any bigger than prime Jordan and he guarded lebaldo just fine. Jordan is much faster, quicker, better defender, better scorer, what can lebaldo do against him? Nothing. After 2/6, people are still in denial. :whatever:

[poido123]

On topic, lebron would beat jordan. How the hell woud jordan guard lebron 1v1, you get up to close, he blows by. Get in his face, he posts you up. Give him room, he shoots that jumper. Lebron can guard jordan well, vice versa is a huge mismatch.



Who is this imaginary person you speak of?


Lebron can't guard Jordan's lightning first step, nor Jordan's devastating mid range game. Jordan would just sag off him and let lebron build bricks.

[Mr. Jabbar]

1on1 kobe would destroy lebron so bad it would be rated NC-17

lebron is pretty much one of the worst 1on1 guys in the top 30

[plowking]

All of Bron's career, his detractors and haters said "of course Bron gets his stats, he holds on to it and clears everyone out"...

Yet, somehow, he isn't a good 1 on 1 player, even though he scores constantly on one on one clear outs.

[Paul George 24]

All of Bron's career, his detractors and haters said "of course Bron gets his stats, he holds on to it and clears everyone out"...

Yet, somehow, he isn't a good 1 on 1 player, even though he scores constantly on one on one clear outs.

LEFLOP IS NOT A GOOD ONE ON ONE DEFENDER

[sdot_thadon]

All of Bron's career, his detractors and haters said "of course Bron gets his stats, he holds on to it and clears everyone out"...

Yet, somehow, he isn't a good 1 on 1 player, even though he scores constantly on one on one clear outs.
Not to mention he runs over people constantly right. In a one on one game where I've never in life called or heard anyone call an offensive foul, nor in any type of streetball period. How will Mj react to getting "ran over" repeatedly? I don't think he destroys him by any means, but I think he wins based on basic reasons.

1. He's is more equipped to deal with speed than Mj is power defensively.

2. He's basically the size of f'in olajuwon save an inch or couple of inches.

[CelticBaller]

prime lebron averaged 30 pts with no offensive game and ya ****** think he cant beat jordan one on one?:oldlol: :biggums:

[Paul George 24]

prime lebron averaged 30 pts with no offensive game and ya ****** think he cant beat jordan one on one?:oldlol: :biggums:

JORDAN CAREER HIGH AVG 37.1PPG.................:banana:

ALSO LEBRON PLAYS IN A ERA WITHOUT HANDCHECK & DEFENSIVE 3 SECONDS RULES ADDED HELP HIM SO MUCH,NUFF SAID

IF PRIME JORDAN PLAYS IN HIS ERA WOULD AVG 45PPG,7REBS,6ASTS,3 STLS ON 58FG%

[NBAplayoffs2001]

prime lebron averaged 30 pts with no offensive game and ya ****** think he cant beat jordan one on one?:oldlol: :biggums:

2/6 :biggums:

[G0ATbe]

IF PRIME JORDAN PLAYS IN HIS ERA WOULD AVG 45PPG,7REBS,6ASTS,3 STLS ON 58FG%
And then be drained by the playoffs and get smashed in the first round year after year... just like the good ol' days pre-pippen.:applause:

GOAT gonna GOAT:rockon:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

LEFLOP IS NOT A GOOD ONE ON ONE DEFENDER

Agreed, he's an arguable GOAT help defender though. One on one, no. Didn't Patty Mills blow by him like twice in game 5 last year?

[Trollsmasher]

Jordan got destroyed by Shaq who wasn't even using his size

this goes to LeBron easily

[Paul George 24]

And then be drained by the playoffs and get smashed in the first round year after year... just like the good ol' days pre-pippen.:applause:

GOAT gonna GOAT:rockon:

PIPPEN JUST A ROLE PLAYER WHEN JORDAN PAST FIRST ROUND :lol
JORDAN DEVELOPED PIPPEN,GRANT,WHILE LEFLOP DONE NOTHING
HE ONLY MAKES STARS PLAYER AROUND HIM GET WORSE,SHAQ,BIG BEN,HUGHERS,WADE,BOSH,JAMISON,BIG Z,NUFF SAID

NOT TO MENTION,JAMES WOULD NOT PASS 1ST ROUND IF NOT DAVID STERN

[Paul George 24]

Jordan got destroyed by Shaq who wasn't even using his size

this goes to LeBron easily
AND DAVID WEST DESTYOYED LEFLOP

[STATUTORY]

All of Bron's career, his detractors and haters said "of course Bron gets his stats, he holds on to it and clears everyone out"...

Yet, somehow, he isn't a good 1 on 1 player, even though he scores constantly on one on one clear outs.

:facepalm Lebron is one of the shittiest iso players among the all time greats, he scores on fastbreaks, semi transitions, and pick and rolls

[TheMarkMadsen]

All of Bron's career, his detractors and haters said "of course Bron gets his stats, he holds on to it and clears everyone out"...

Yet, somehow, he isn't a good 1 on 1 player, even though he scores constantly on one on one clear outs.

its like you just refuse to admit that you watched the finals and saw a team win a championship off the defensive strategy of "let lebron iso every play"

[plowking]

its like you just refuse to admit that you watched the finals and saw a team win a championship off the defensive strategy of "let lebron iso every play"

It is like you refuse to admit that Bron last year had his worst season ever, and was terrible, for the first time as an ISO player. Prior to that he was consistently one of the best.

I guess that is impossible to get through to you seeing as you're part of the Kobe brigade that even when faced with direct stats to prove something, you ignore it, and keep spreading your BS.

[plowking]

Agreed, he's an arguable GOAT help defender though. One on one, no. Didn't Patty Mills blow by him like twice in game 5 last year?

The likes of Patty Mills and Nate Robinson, and those other miniature speed freaks would blow by most elite NBA defenders on a large chunk of plays if left alone on an island. How are you shocked by this? :oldlol:

[20Four]

http://i.imgur.com/Vb0Q257.gif

[Soundwave]

Not to mention he runs over people constantly right. In a one on one game where I've never in life called or heard anyone call an offensive foul, nor in any type of streetball period. How will Mj react to getting "ran over" repeatedly? I don't think he destroys him by any means, but I think he wins based on basic reasons.

1. He's is more equipped to deal with speed than Mj is power defensively.

2. He's basically the size of f'in olajuwon save an inch or couple of inches.

He's taller and much slower than Jordan. He would not be able to keep Jordan from blowing past him. And even in 1-on-1, you can't just "run over" a player, a charge is still a charge.

Honestly Kobe (prime) would beat LeBron 1-on-1 too. Seeing LeBron trying to blow past a 33 year old Bryant in that All-Star game and being unable to really gain any separation says a lot.

LeBron's strengths are not a 1-on-1 ISO game. Even a guy like Tracy McGrady (prime) I would not honestly be shocked if he beat LeBron 1-on-1.

[JT123]

He's taller and much slower than Jordan. He would not be able to keep Jordan from blowing past him. And even in 1-on-1, you can't just "run over" a player, a charge is still a charge.
:roll: :roll: :roll: Maybe in the suburbs where you play. Just try going into a real neighborhood and calling a charge against someone during a pickup game. I dare you! :lol

[Bankaii]

:roll: :roll: :roll: Maybe in the suburbs where you play. Just try going into a real neighborhood and calling a charge against someone during a pickup game. I dare you! :lol
There's no point in trying dude nobody in here can actually ball. Most posters on here are fatasses that can't even dribble, let alone play some real street ball.
Explains why there are so many stans on here trying to live vicariously through their idols.

[JT123]

There's no point in trying dude nobody in here can actually ball. Most posters on here are fatasses that can't even dribble, let alone play some real street ball.
Explains why there are so many stans on here trying to live vicariously through their idols.
Agreed. Stans are the worst :cheers:

[red1]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Vb0Q257.gif
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2QXJ7aCEAIwXOk.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2Qc2WLCQAAWLKc.jpg
http://www.vladtv.com/images/size_fs/video_image-391304.jpg

:roll: godbe!!

[sdot_thadon]

He's taller and much slower than Jordan. He would not be able to keep Jordan from blowing past him. And even in 1-on-1, you can't just "run over" a player, a charge is still a charge.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: Where you from bro? Where I grew up playing you'll have to fight for that one, I don't mean argue I mean scrap for it. One on one is a man's game there's no charges and no refs, shit really most fouls will be argued if it's a serious heated game. You call a damn charge playing me, you're not getting it.

And why does every argument act as is blow by are the be all end all of one on one wtf? Blowbys are important but so are layups and post ups. Lebrin also has held his own against faster guys than Mj for years already. Mj wouldn't even be close to the fastest guy he's guarded. While on the other hand I'm almost positive Lebron would be the strongest guy Mj would have guarded regularly.

[andgar923]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: Where you from bro? Where I grew up playing you'll have to fight for that one, I don't mean argue I mean scrap for it. One on one is a man's game there's no charges and no refs, shit really most fouls will be argued if it's a serious heated game. You call a damn charge playing me, you're not getting it.

And why does every argument act as is blow by are the be all end all of one on one wtf? Blowbys are important but so are layups and post ups. Lebrin also has held his own against faster guys than Mj for years already. Mj wouldn't even be close to the fastest guy he's guarded. While on the other hand I'm almost positive Lebron would be the strongest guy Mj would have guarded regularly.
You seriously think Bron will simply barrel his way into MJ so easily?

MJ would flat out embarrass Bron with his speed.

[Angel Face]

http://i.imgur.com/Vb0Q257.gif

What a clown. His ball got legit stolen by Ariza, he answered it with his natural instinct, to flop.

Prime Mike would absolutely embarrass this clown. Tenacious defense paired with constant trash talking, Lebron's weak mentality won't let him finish the game. Would legit quit halfway through the game and look for Bosh, Wade, Irving to cry on.

Seriously, only a fool or a hardcore Lebron stan would pick this guy in a one on one game against Mike. This guy has nothing, size? you acting like MJ was weak. Magic said it himself that MJ was one of the strongest guys. Lebron is just bigger that's it. MJ is quicker, has better footwork, GOAT isolation 1 on 1 game, GOAT scorer, lock down defender, better slasher, better shooter inside - mid range. I could see MJ blowing by this guy at will / draining mid range shots all game.

...And LeBron has no one to pass to.

[diamenz]

http://i.imgur.com/Vb0Q257.gif

it's a sad era for basketball fans.

[OldSchoolBBall]

This is what would happen to Lebron almost every play against Jordan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5lji2ZoIOM#t=0m2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFI4CJdX66Y

People are kidding themselves if they think otherwise. Jordan makes George look like Oliver Miller - he'd get by Lebron almost every time and finish almost every time. Dude saying Lebron has guarded guys quicker than Jordan? Maybe, but none of them were that quick with 6'6" size and length with a long first step and insane finishing ability. Above is what happens when Lebron matches up against a guy with size/length who is only like 75% the athlete Jordan was. Quit kidding yourselves. :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

It is like you refuse to admit that Bron last year had his worst season ever, and was terrible, for the first time as an ISO player. Prior to that he was consistently one of the best.
.


:oldlol: :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

:mad: :mad:


here's another interesting list for you

Finals losses

Jordan = 0

Kobe = 2

Lebron = 4

LeBRONZE :applause: :applause:

[Bankaii]

here's another interesting list for you

Finals losses

Jordan = 0

Kobe = 2

Lebron = 4

LeBRONZE :applause: :applause:
Care to post Finals MVPs? Or Finals stats?
Obviously Lebron's should be the worst right?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Care to post Finals MVPs?

yeah sure why not

http://media1.fdncms.com/sacurrent/imager/kawhi-leonard-leaves-team-usa-to-rest-off/u/big/2259757/lebron-james-kawhi-leonard-nba-finalsjpg



http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_180,q_80,w_320/1293900436536048811.jpg

[Hey Yo]

here's another interesting list for you

Finals losses

Jordan = 0

Kobe = 2

Lebron = 4

LeBRONZE :applause: :applause:
Kobe has 2 Finals losses and 2 wins as first option

LeBron has 3 Finals losses and 2 wins as first option.

LeBron > KoME

[Bankaii]

yeah sure why not

http://media1.fdncms.com/sacurrent/imager/kawhi-leonard-leaves-team-usa-to-rest-off/u/big/2259757/lebron-james-kawhi-leonard-nba-finalsjpg



http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_180,q_80,w_320/1293900436536048811.jpg
Yes he does have 2, same as Kobe.
I see you avoided stats. It's ok, I still love you.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe has 2 Finals losses and 2 wins as first option

LeBron has 3 Finals losses and 2 wins as first option.

LeBron > KoME


you're using FGA to determine who was the first option

so by that logic Kobe has 4 rings as the first option

[TheMarkMadsen]

Yes he does have 2, same as Kobe.
I see you avoided stats. It's ok, I still love you.

freshen up on some of Laz's post and take not on how he has to use essays to answer simple statements such as "why does Wilt have great stats but on 2 rings and numerous finals losses"

that will be you & the other soon

and bringing up box score stats doesn't help you in this..

seeing as Lebron shot 57% for 28 ppg in the 14 finals and he recieved the biggest finals beat down in history.. no other finals series was more uncontested that that.. is that not the definition of empty stats..??

If I was a lebron fan i'd much rather see lebron shoot 40 times per game on 38% and actually give his team a chance to compete then watch him put up 17 shots per game on 57% as the team gets man-slaughtered

[Hey Yo]

yeah sure why not

http://media1.fdncms.com/sacurrent/imager/kawhi-leonard-leaves-team-usa-to-rest-off/u/big/2259757/lebron-james-kawhi-leonard-nba-finalsjpg



http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_180,q_80,w_320/1293900436536048811.jpg
28ppg against

31ppg against

:confusedshrug:

[Hey Yo]

you're using FGA to determine who was the first option

so by that logic Kobe has 4 rings as the first option
I'm using "I want to win a FMVP of my own, so I'm going to make myself 1st option while ignoring my coach, system and best player" like KoME did.

[TheMarkMadsen]

28ppg - biggest finals loss in NBA history

31ppg against - iso coverage, other team was more fearful of shooters and dared Lebron to be an efficient iso scorer = 2 for 6

:confusedshrug:

notice how you didn't bring up percentages when you usually are all about efficiency :oldlol: :lol oh how the agenda changes..

Lebron gave his team a better shot to win while shooting 38% than he did when shooting 57%

and that is something yall just can't wrap your minds around.. because that goes beyond just looking mindlessly at the box score

these numbers of effeciency that you and the rest of the bran stans are so obsessed with literally don't mean shit unless they come with a W

shooting 17 times on 57% while your team gets blown out isn't being efficient.. it's being stupid.. if you can truly convert 57% of your shots you should be shooting more than 17 times per game if your team gets destroyed every game like bran's did in the 14 finals

lebron played 10x better in the 15 finals than the 14 finals.. but i gurantee you that if we just put the two numbers side by side with no context you would choose the 14 finals performance every day of the week

[TheMarkMadsen]

I'm using "I want to win a FMVP of my own, so I'm going to make myself 1st option while ignoring my coach, system and best player" like KoME did.

no.. you just used FGA per game to determine the first option thinking you were being slick taking away the 2011 finals for lebron.. when in reality it got thrown back in your face seeing as by that same criteria Kobe has led his team to 4 rings as the first option

bran stans are so dumb :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

notice how you didn't bring up percentages when you usually are all about efficiency :oldlol: :lol oh how the agenda changes..

Lebron gave his team a better shot to win while shooting 38% than he did when shooting 57%

these numbers of effeciency that you and the rest of the bran stans are so obsessed with literally don't mean shit unless they come with a W

shooting 17 times on 57% while your team gets blown out isn't being efficient.. it's being stupid.. if you can truly convert 57% of your shots you should be shooting more than 17 times per game if your team gets destroyed every game like bran's did in the 14 finals

lebron played 10x better in the 15 finals than the 14 finals.. but i gurantee you that if we just put the two numbers side by side with no context you would choose the 14 finals performance every day of the week
Nobody's saying "look at Kobe's %, he got shut down scoring wise" correct?


iso coverage, other team was more fearful of shooters and dared Lebron to be an efficient iso scorer = 2 for 6
Yes....GS was more fearful of Delly, Shump, TT of scoring than they were of LeBron.

:roll:

[Hey Yo]

no.. you just used FGA per game to determine the first option thinking you were being slick taking away the 2011 finals for lebron.. when in reality it got thrown back in your face seeing as by that same criteria Kobe has led his team to 4 rings as the first option

bran stans are so dumb :oldlol: :oldlol:
No, Im using Wade's after season quote from the summer of 2011.

'it's LeBron's team now"

[TheMarkMadsen]

Yes....GS was more fearful of Delly, Shump, TT of scoring than they were of LeBron.

:roll:

well they clearly weren't afraid of Lebron's iso game, seeing as they iso'd him against a bench player for the entire series while adamantly not doubling off of the shooters..


:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

No, Im using Wade's after season quote from the summer of 2011.

'it's LeBron's team now"

ok so when Shaq called Kobe the best player in the world during the 01 playoffs I guess that was Kobe's team..

:oldlol: :oldlol: you're killing yourself with this as always..

[TheMarkMadsen]

boiled down:

bran stans make excuses for why Lebron can't win

bran stans make excuses for why Kobe can win

[Megabox!]

ok so when Shaq called Kobe the best player in the world during the 01 playoffs I guess that was Kobe's team..

:oldlol: :oldlol: you're killing yourself with this as always..
Did the words "this is Kobe's team now" come out of Shaq's mouth? Wade literally said "it's LBJ's team now", Calling him "the best basketball player in the world" is not the same as giving him the keys to the team. Everybody in the gym knew Shaq was the top dog on those early Laker teams

[TheMarkMadsen]

Did the words "this is Kobe's team now" come out of Shaq's mouth? Wade literally said "it's LBJ's team now", Calling him "the best basketball player in the world" is not the same as giving him the keys to the team. Everybody in the gym knew Shaq was the top dog on those early Laker teams

why are you even trying to debate this..

Hey Yo began by using FGA per game to determine the first option..

then used ( in his own words)
"I want to win a FMVP of my own, so I'm going to make myself 1st option while ignoring my coach, system and best player"

as his logic for determining the first option

and now he's using Wade's line from a 2012 to determine that Lebron wasn't the first option in 2011 (since he already got caught using FGA as the determining factor, and had to switch that up)

:oldlol: :oldlol:

he's literally just flip flopping every time and is all over the place with his logic

[Young X]

Lebron gave his team a better shot to win while shooting 38% than he did when shooting 57%That's not true. Offensively, the Cavs were worse in the finals than Miami was, the reason why they had a better shot was because they defended the Warriors much better than Miami defended the Spurs.

[RRR3]

Why is it so hard for Kobe fans to state LeBrons finals FG% correctly? It was either 39.6 or 39.8% IIRC, either way that rounds to 40%, not the 36% and 38% I keep seeing.

[Heavincent]

31ppg against


What was his FG%?

Iguodala got the better of him. That's undeniable.

[TheMarkMadsen]

That's not true. Offensively, the Cavs were worse in the finals than Miami was, the reason why they had a better shot was because they defended the Warriors much better than Miami defended the Spurs.

after game 2 of the 2014 finals every game was basically over by half time, Spurs were up 16 at the beginning of the 2nd if IRC of game 3 after going small with Diaw and company.. Miami's entire team visibly had moments where they just looked like they were over it and were ready to pack up..

Bran's aggressiveness in the 2015 finals is what kept his team alive, he gave his team a chance to compete..

in the 2014 he carefully picked his spots as he had done basically his entire time with Miami.. and that wasn't what the HEAT needed in those finals..

if Lebron chose to shoot only 17 FGA per game in the 2015 finals like he did in the 2014 finals the Cavs gets swept and lose in embarrassing fashion..

he took what like 33-34 shots per game in these past finals compared to 17 in the last finals.. his efficiency didn't hold up but he put his team in a better position to win than he did in 2014..

[knicksman]

Jordan wouldnt be disrespected by putting a fatass diaw against him. Luckily ray saved his ass. But once pop gets serious by putting kawhi, he got shut down again. And bran has been exposed 5/6 of his finals yet idiots still believed hes a great iso player. Lol

[Mr. Jabbar]

http://i.imgur.com/Vb0Q257.gif

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

but back to the topic

he wouldn't beat Jordan 1 on 1, have you guys ever watched a 1 on 1 game, it's mid range jumpers galore..

bran is great, all time great, but I've never seen more disrespectful defensive game planning against an all time great than I have with Lebron.

from diaw, to giving him wide open jumpers, to being adamant against not double teaming, daring him to beat them with his iso game..

and if the AC isn't on then bran doesn't have any chance which is something we can't always control..

[sd3035]

Jordan wasn't a bitch like this

https://i.imgur.com/Vb0Q257.gif

[Young X]

after game 2 of the 2014 finals every game was basically over by half time, Spurs were up 16 at the beginning of the 2nd if IRC of game 3 after going small with Diaw and company.. Miami's entire team visibly had moments where they just looked like they were over it and were ready to pack up..

Bran's aggressiveness in the 2015 finals is what kept his team alive, he gave his team a chance to compete..

in the 2014 he carefully picked his spots as he had done basically his entire time with Miami.. and that wasn't what the HEAT needed in those finals..

if Lebron chose to shoot only 17 FGA per game in the 2015 finals like he did in the 2014 finals the Cavs gets swept and lose in embarrassing fashion..

he took what like 33-34 shots per game in these past finals compared to 17 in the last finals.. his efficiency didn't hold up but he put his team in a better position to win than he did in 2014..What put the Cavs in better position was their DEFENSE.

You're trying to make it seem like Bron's aggressiveness (and inefficiency) is why the Cavs were more competitive than Miami was but that wasn't the case. Cleveland SUCKED offensively against GS...they shot 43.2 eFG% which is a 10% difference from what Miami shot in the '14 finals against SA.

The real difference is the Cavs actually STOPPED the Warriors in games 2 and 3 while Miami was completely helpless against the Spurs on defense. That's the real reason the series was closer.

[plowking]

What put the Cavs in better position was their DEFENSE.

You're trying to make it seem like Bron's aggressiveness (and inefficiency) is why the Cavs were more competitive than Miami was but that wasn't the case. Cleveland SUCKED offensively against GS...they shot 43.2 eFG% which is a 10% difference from what Miami shot in the '14 finals against SA.

The real difference is the Cavs actually STOPPED the Warriors in games 2 and 3 while Miami was completely helpless against the Spurs on defense. That's the real reason the series was closer.

You don't get it though. Stats are biased and wrong, and they don't fit my agenda, so they shouldn't be apart of this argument.

The delusional that I believe in my head is far more real and telling than any advanced statistical and comprehensive breakdown.

[Solid Snake]

On topic, lebron would beat jordan. How the hell woud jordan guard lebron 1v1, you get up to close, he blows by. Get in his face, he posts you up. Give him room, he shoots that jumper. Lebron can guard jordan well, vice versa is a huge mismatch.

Show me 5 examples in the previous NBA season that Lebron blew by someone in a non-fastbreak situation.

You can't.

Because he doesn't.

[3ball]

Lebron's lack of skill in critical areas required of high volume shooters is why his Finals efficiency cratered from 57% in the low-volume 2014 (when 3-and-D was sufficient to get 17 fga), to 39% in high-volume 2015 (when mid-range and isolations were required to get 34 fga).

Lebron's poor skills and efficiency in areas required of high volume shooters (mid-range, isolation) proves Lebron is *simply not a good enough player* - he isn't capable of achieving the efficiency necessary to win a championship WHILE CARRYING A TEAM (shooting a high volume).

The most amazing thing is that 36 ppg on 39% is Lebron's CEILING in the Finals, since he had optimal conditions - he was never double-teamed and he enjoyed the most secluded isolations in the history of the game.

Btw, we know that Lebron would be worse in the "no 3-pointer" 80's with no one spreading the floor for him - in the absence of the 3-pointers necessary to make screen-roll/drive-and-kick worth it, the only options left are the things he's horrible at - mid-range, post, and isolation skills.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/lebron.gif
Yikes

[KembaWalker]

Jordan wasn't a bitch like this

https://i.imgur.com/Vb0Q257.gif

:roll: :roll: the fvck he grabbing his head for, beta

Look at Sasha move so gracefully tho, my dude back in the NBA

THE MACHINE

[20Four]

http://i.imgur.com/IsF8cpF.gif

http://i.imgur.com/lI5oYWe.gif

[KembaWalker]

http://i.imgur.com/lI5oYWe.gif

I have not seen that one before :roll:

Nikka executing the roll flop perfectly

[20Four]

I have not seen that one before :roll:

Nikka executing the roll flop perfectly

http://i.imgur.com/ipvjp4J.gif


http://i.imgur.com/tSN7514.gif WTF hahahahaha


http://i.imgur.com/VBBPrej.gif

[Marchesk]

http://i.imgur.com/lI5oYWe.gif

The ref actually bought that Lebron could be thrown like a rag doll? It's not like Wilt was down there in the lane, or even Shaq.

[KembaWalker]

The ref actually bought that Lebron could be thrown like a rag doll? It's not like Wilt was down there in the lane, or even Shaq.

:roll: dude was Ike Diogu

6'9" 255lbs, and LeBron's 6'8" 250lbs ass dropped like a bag of sh*t

[TheMarkMadsen]

What put the Cavs in better position was their DEFENSE.

You're trying to make it seem like Bron's aggressiveness (and inefficiency) is why the Cavs were more competitive than Miami was but that wasn't the case. Cleveland SUCKED offensively against GS...they shot 43.2 eFG% which is a 10% difference from what Miami shot in the '14 finals against SA.

The real difference is the Cavs actually STOPPED the Warriors in games 2 and 3 while Miami was completely helpless against the Spurs on defense. That's the real reason the series was closer.


lebron who was taking 33 shots per game shots 39%.. just because they were less effecient doesn't mean they were worse offensively..

Cavs averaged 94ppg in the finals..

Heat averaged 92ppg in the finals..

the lowest scoring game the Cavs had came in the game where lebron only took 22 shots, and this just happened to be the game the Cavs lost by 20+.. just as they did in almost every game of the 2014 finals..

in the games that were decided by single digits bran shot NO LESS than 33 times or more every single game.. this includes games where Curry dropped 26 on 50%..

game 5 the score was within two points with 4 minutes left in the 4th.. again another game Lebron took 34 shots..

in game 4 the Cavs were blown out of the water bran only attempted 22 shots..

[RRR3]

Now it's 39%. Almost there marky, just one more and you won't be a liar :applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Now it's 39%. Almost there marky, just one more and you won't be a liar :applause:

are you really crying over .8%.. :oldlol:

I guess bran fans gotta take every minor victory they can get these days :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

I have not seen that one before :roll:

Nikka executing the roll flop perfectly

that's my gif i've got more that i've yet to unleash on ISH

[Lebron23]

Still the same numbers of Finals MVP as Kobe Bryant. Peak LeBron have a good chance of beating Jordan especially that 2008-2013 version of him.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3768613/ledunk.gif

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1980693/lebronisthebestbasketballplayerever.gif

http://cdn.fansided.com/gif/STAREDOWN.gif

[RRR3]

are you really crying over .8%.. :oldlol:

I guess bran fans gotta take every minor victory they can get these days :oldlol:
Not crying over anything, it's just hard to take you seriously when you post misinformation. You have been melting down daily since the finals, so it's almost as if LeBron won in that regard :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

Not crying over anything, it's just hard to take you seriously when you post misinformation. You have been melting down daily since the finals, so it's almost as if LeBron won in that regard :lol

that's funny because i've seen you mention this meager difference of percentages multiple times.. :roll:

and yeah dude if calling my ownage of bran stans on a regular basis this summer and calling you fucc boys out on your hypocrisy after this years playoffs is "melting down" makes you feel better then by all means..

all i've seen from you since the finals is following around myself and others who correctly put bran stans in their place after their logic got thrown back in their face..

stay salty :lol

[RRR3]

that's funny because i've seen you mention this meager difference of percentages multiple times.. :roll:

and yeah dude if calling my ownage of bran stans on a regular basis this summer and calling you fucc boys out on your hypocrisy after this years playoffs is "melting down" makes you feel better then by all means..

all i've seen from you since the finals is following around myself and others who correctly put bran stans in their place after their logic got thrown back in their face..

stay salty :lol
Holy shit shut up dude. I am beyond done trying to convince you LeBron doesn't suck; its a lost cause. I have no interest in arguing with you about the same old shit for the 30th time. Just post factually true statements the next time you "own" us LeBron stans, k?

Good night.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Holy shit shut up dude. I am beyond done trying to convince you LeBron doesn't suck; its a lost cause. I have no interest in arguing with you about the same old shit for the 30th time. Just post factually true statements the next time you "own" us LeBron stans, k?

Good night.



bran is great, all time great

i literally just called lebron an all time great on the last page, i guess that means i think he sucks..? :roll:

and hey dumbass if you have no interest in arguing with me then why do are you constantly initiating the conversation, just like you did in this thread.. :wtf:

bran shot 39.8% while losing for the fourth time in the finals, not 39%..

happy now?

[Gileraracer]

"they're gonna have to have a few wheelchairs and a couple ambulances there to get us off the floor" - Wheelchair for his cramps?

[red1]

here's another interesting list for you

Finals losses

Jordan = 0

Kobe = 2

Lebron = 4

LeBRONZE :applause: :applause:
this stat is a mark of greatness. :applause: carrying teams that don't even belong in the finals

these stats however... dont know how you will rationalize this one :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BE77daXCcAA3FHV.jpg

[red1]

Now it's 39%. Almost there marky, just one more and you won't be a liar :applause:
40% shooting percentage. 1% from bean's CAREER finals average :roll:

[red1]

What was his FG%?

Iguodala got the better of him. That's undeniable.
Not even close to accurate. IGGY's stacked TEAM got the better of bron's undermanned team. Bron's finals performance this year was better than any of bean's. Are you saying iggy this year played better than kobe ever has in the finals? :oldlol:

[knicksman]

:roll:
this stat is a mark of greatness. :applause: carrying teams that don't even belong in the finals

these stats however... dont know how you will rationalize this one :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BE77daXCcAA3FHV.jpg



:sleeping 2/6

[Paul George 24]

This is what would happen to Lebron almost every play against Jordan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5lji2ZoIOM#t=0m2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFI4CJdX66Y

People are kidding themselves if they think otherwise. Jordan makes George look like Oliver Miller - he'd get by Lebron almost every time and finish almost every time. Dude saying Lebron has guarded guys quicker than Jordan? Maybe, but none of them were that quick with 6'6" size and length with a long first step and insane finishing ability. Above is what happens when Lebron matches up against a guy with size/length who is only like 75% the athlete Jordan was. Quit kidding yourselves. :roll:

so true,leflop would not able to stay infront of mj

[Smoke117]

I love when people post this kind of bullshit...my only questions...have you ever played sports imnew? (when you are not being a massive ****ing douchebag moron?), were you good at any sports? If you did and you were...this is the mentality you have. If you don't go out there with the confidence that you're the best...than you don't have any business out there in the first place you stupid ****ing clown.

[Paul George 24]

I love when people post this kind of bullshit...my only questions...have you ever played sports imnew? (when you are not being a massive ****ing douchebag moron?), were you good at any sports? If you did and you were...this is the mentality you have. If you don't go out there with the confidence that you're the best...than you don't have any business out there in the first off you stupid ****ing clown.

jordan hater,nuff said

[poido123]

I love when people post this kind of bullshit...my only questions...have you ever played sports imnew? (when you are not being a massive ****ing douchebag moron?), were you good at any sports? If you did and you were...this is the mentality you have. If you don't go out there with the confidence that you're the best...than you don't have any business out there in the first off you stupid ****ing clown.


Goin in raw :oldlol: :applause:

Imnew reflects many here who are armchair warriors. I bet half the guys here would sweat at the sight of a basketball. :oldlol:

[AnaheimLakers24]

Both have small ***** :lol and no dads

[sdot_thadon]

You seriously think Bron will simply barrel his way into MJ so easily?

MJ would flat out embarrass Bron with his speed.
Get off the pipe bro, prime mj was 215 or below depending on the particular time you would consider prime. Lebron has been pegged at 260 and above for years now but at worst let's say 245, rookie weight. That's at least 30 lbs heavier and at best who knows maybe 50 lbs plus. That is really significant if you're talking about man to man strength. If someone stronger than you chose to back you down there's almost nothing you can do about it but foul. Why in the hell do you think help is sent instantly most times when a smaller player gets caught in the post? There's a very logical reason. Also there would be no 5 Second back down rule to protect the smaller player either, he could literally check the ball and back down from the 3 point line if Mj troubled him that much otherwise.

Yes Mj is faster, no he isn't THAT fast. You dudes keep acting as if Lebron guarding sg and pg at the end of games hasn't been happening since his prime. Yes Mj would be the best guy he's guarded, but he wouldn't even be close to the fastest. I think everyone can get blowbys playing one on one. And what's the need for midrange when you outweigh your opponent by 50lbs?

I mean really guys?:biggums:

[andgar923]

Get off the pipe bro, prime mj was 215 or below depending on the particular time you would consider prime. Lebron has been pegged at 260 and above for years now but at worst let's say 245, rookie weight. That's at least 30 lbs heavier and at best who knows maybe 50 lbs plus. That is really significant if you're talking about man to man strength. If someone stronger than you chose to back you down there's almost nothing you can do about it but foul. Why in the hell do you think help is sent instantly most times when a smaller player gets caught in the post? There's a very logical reason. Also there would be no 5 Second back down rule to protect the smaller player either, he could literally check the ball and back down from the 3 point line if Mj troubled him that much otherwise.

Yes Mj is faster, no he isn't THAT fast. You dudes keep acting as if Lebron guarding sg and pg at the end of games hasn't been happening since his prime. Yes Mj would be the best guy he's guarded, but he wouldn't even be close to the fastest. I think everyone can get blowbys playing one on one. And what's the need for midrange when you outweigh your opponent by 50lbs?

I mean really guys?:biggums:

It just shows how you never played basketball.

Nobody barrels their way into somebody for an entire one on one game for starters.

MJ is tougher than Bron and stronger than he looks, Bron won't simply lower his shoulder with ease, specially when he has bad ball handling and horrible balance. MJ is a very crafty defender that will pull all the tricks to make it hard for Bron to simply barrel his way down. And with NO RULES, best believe MJ will def get the best of Bron.

What's the "need for mid range" on a one on one game?:facepalm

You clearly NEVER played one on one.

One on one games ARE played in the mid range. Only a fool will start taking 3pt shots after 3pt shot in a one on one game. MJ LIVES in the mid, he's won multiple titles by killing people in the mid range, while Lebron has a mediocre mid range game.

And YES MJ IS that much faster than Bron.

If Paul George who is nowhere near as quick as MJ blows by Bron with ease, what makes you think he can stay in front of MJ?

Again, you guys are overlooking one big factor.... Bron's meek ball handling skills. Bron would be flabbergasted trying to dribble against MJ.

Hebron trips on himself while trying to post, you guys think he has a chance vs MJ? :roll: :roll:

[Paul George 24]

Get off the pipe bro, prime mj was 215 or below depending on the particular time you would consider prime. Lebron has been pegged at 260 and above for years now but at worst let's say 245, rookie weight. That's at least 30 lbs heavier and at best who knows maybe 50 lbs plus. That is really significant if you're talking about man to man strength. If someone stronger than you chose to back you down there's almost nothing you can do about it but foul. Why in the hell do you think help is sent instantly most times when a smaller player gets caught in the post? There's a very logical reason. Also there would be no 5 Second back down rule to protect the smaller player either, he could literally check the ball and back down from the 3 point line if Mj troubled him that much otherwise.

Yes Mj is faster, no he isn't THAT fast. You dudes keep acting as if Lebron guarding sg and pg at the end of games hasn't been happening since his prime. Yes Mj would be the best guy he's guarded, but he wouldn't even be close to the fastest. I think everyone can get blowbys playing one on one. And what's the need for midrange when you outweigh your opponent by 50lbs?

I mean really guys?:biggums:

leflop never graud sg or pg well ...............he need wade's support him :roll:

[HighFlyer23]

this stat is a mark of greatness. :applause: carrying teams that don't even belong in the finals

these stats however... dont know how you will rationalize this one :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BE77daXCcAA3FHV.jpg

Lol seriously questioning some of those

But still funny :lol

[Hey Yo]

ok so when Shaq called Kobe the best player in the world during the 01 playoffs I guess that was Kobe's team..

:oldlol: :oldlol: you're killing yourself with this as always..
Nope, not at all.

Has there ever been an argument put forth on who's team it was after Shaq said that? Of course not, cause everyone knew it was still Shaq's team.

[Hey Yo]

why are you even trying to debate this..

Hey Yo began by using FGA per game to determine the first option..

then used ( in his own words)

as his logic for determining the first option

and now he's using Wade's line from a 2012 to determine that Lebron wasn't the first option in 2011 (since he already got caught using FGA as the determining factor, and had to switch that up)

:oldlol: :oldlol:

he's literally just flip flopping every time and is all over the place with his logic
No I didn't. Everyone knew Kobe was clearly jealous of Shaq getting most of the praise over the years and wanted to prove he could win a FMVP "with Shaq" and failed.


If LeBron was clearly first option in the 2011 Finals, then why the need for Wade to publicly say before the 2011-12 season started that it was LeBron's team now?

[20Four]

http://i.imgur.com/UtMj8j3.jpg

[sdot_thadon]

It just shows how you never played basketball.

Nobody barrels their way into somebody for an entire one on one game for starters.

MJ is tougher than Bron and stronger than he looks, Bron won't simply lower his shoulder with ease, specially when he has bad ball handling and horrible balance. MJ is a very crafty defender that will pull all the tricks to make it hard for Bron to simply barrel his way down. And with NO RULES, best believe MJ will def get the best of Bron.

What's the "need for mid range" on a one on one game?:facepalm

You clearly NEVER played one on one.

One on one games ARE played in the mid range.Only a fool will start taking 3pt shots after 3pt shot in a one on one game. MJ LIVES in the mid, he's won multiple titles by killing people in the mid range, while Lebron has a mediocre mid range game.

And YES MJ IS that much faster than Bron.

If Paul George who is nowhere near as quick as MJ blows by Bron with ease, what makes you think he can stay in front of MJ?

Again, you guys are overlooking one big factor.... Bron's meek ball handling skills. Bron would be flabbergasted trying to dribble against MJ.

Hebron trips on himself while trying to post, you guys think he has a chance vs MJ? :roll: :roll:
This is where you went pipe again.

One on one isn't played in mid range bro, it's played on a basketball court. You can use any part of the floor. Most good one on one players play to their strengths. Big guys play big, small guys play small. So if 3s is your strength you shoot 3s, if speed is your strentgh you use speed. If you are the stronger player you use it.

Apparently brains aren't your strength, so in turn you don't use it. See how that works?

I won't even address your comment on whether or not I've played because it's pretty clear you haven't a clue. It's not a mid range shooting contest, it's not a blow by contest, it's not a post up contest. It's a basketball game, you use whatever advantages you have and win. Lebron's strength advantage is larger than MJ's speed advantage. It is what it is. I guess you think Mj would beat dream one on one too, cause that's pretty much the closest physical/athletic comparison you could probably make.

[Paul George 24]

This is where you went pipe again.

One on one isn't played in mid range bro, it's played on a basketball court. You can use any part of the floor. Most good one on one players play to their strengths. Big guys play big, small guys play small. So if 3s is your strength you shoot 3s, if speed is your strentgh you use speed. If you are the stronger player you use it.

Apparently brains aren't your strength, so in turn you don't use it. See how that works?

I won't even address your comment on whether or not I've played because it's pretty clear you haven't a clue. It's not a mid range shooting contest, it's not a blow by contest, it's not a post up contest. It's a basketball game, you use whatever advantages you have and win. Lebron's strength advantage is larger than MJ's speed advantage. It is what it is. I guess you think Mj would beat dream one on one too, cause that's pretty much the closest physical/athletic comparison you could probably make.
he will be the most lost finlas in nba history after next season :roll:

[andgar923]

This is where you went pipe again.

One on one isn't played in mid range bro, it's played on a basketball court. You can use any part of the floor. Most good one on one players play to their strengths. Big guys play big, small guys play small. So if 3s is your strength you shoot 3s, if speed is your strentgh you use speed. If you are the stronger player you use it.

Apparently brains aren't your strength, so in turn you don't use it. See how that works?

I won't even address your comment on whether or not I've played because it's pretty clear you haven't a clue. It's not a mid range shooting contest, it's not a blow by contest, it's not a post up contest. It's a basketball game, you use whatever advantages you have and win. Lebron's strength advantage is larger than MJ's speed advantage. It is what it is. I guess you think Mj would beat dream one on one too, cause that's pretty much the closest physical/athletic comparison you could probably make.
Lebron's strength is passing, who's he gonna pass to?:confusedshrug:

[sdot_thadon]

he will be the most lost finlas in nba history after next season :roll:
Great bit of info, I'm sure that will effect his one on one game dramatically.


Lebron's strength is passing, who's he gonna pass to?:confusedshrug:

Yeah I know so good at passing that his 4th alltime scoring average and 5th all time playoff scoring average pales in comparison.:applause:

Stupid is a state of mind, a correctable one.

[dankok8]

Basketball is not a one on one game.

With that being said Lebron would beat MJ. LBJ's strength advantage is a big deal. Lebron could back him down on offense, follow up his own misses, and also muscle him on defense. As someone that has played against guys 50-60 lbs heavier even those much less skilled I can say that Jordan would be facing an uphill battle.

[andgar923]

Great bit of info, I'm sure that will effect his one on one game dramatically.



Yeah I know so good at passing that his 4th alltime scoring average and 5th all time playoff scoring average pales in comparison.:applause:

Stupid is a state of mind, a correctable one.
And MJ is no.1 all time.

[20Four]

Basketball is not a one on one game.

With that being said Lebron would beat MJ. LBJ's strength advantage is a big deal. Lebron could back him down on offense, follow up his own misses, and also muscle him on defense. As someone that has played against guys 50-60 lbs heavier even those much less skilled I can say that Jordan would be facing and uphill battle.
What a fvcking idiot you are......fvcking stupid fvcks these days...where do yall come from? Use your fcking brain for once seriously

[kshutts1]

SMH at those using in-game examples of "one on one" as an example for why Lebron would not win.

I don't think Lebron would beat MJ consistently, though, in 1 on 1. That's not his game.

[sdot_thadon]

And MJ is no.1 all time.
So basically a stupid point. Thanks for posting.:coleman:

[andgar923]

So basically a stupid point. Thanks for posting.:coleman:
Lol.... you mad!

[Megabox!]

What a fvcking idiot you are......fvcking stupid fvcks these days...where do yall come from? Use your fcking brain for once seriously
An idiot calling someone else an idiot, too much irony for me

[andgar923]

Stupid Bron fans thinking its a "shooting contest"

Go play one on one right now... 80% of the game takes place in the mid range area.

Idiots Lebron fans be.

[kshutts1]

Stupid Bron fans thinking its a "shooting contest"

Go play one on one right now... 80% of the game takes place in the mid range area.

Idiots Lebron fans be.
To be fair, the majority of one on one's take place in mid range and/or 3p range because the majority of players are not good enough to get to the basket, AND think they're good enough to shoot 3's.

[andgar923]

There's also Bron's meek toughness, his pathetic stamina, his clumsy ball handling, weak attempt at footwork, etc etc etc

Add the fact that MJ is stronger and harder to guard than Bron according to Horry and Artest.

But he'd simply back down MJ:lol

Bron had a hard time backing down Kobe, and he ain't as strong as MJ.

[andgar923]

To be fair, the majority of one on one's take place in mid range and/or 3p range because the majority of players are not good enough to get to the basket, AND think they're good enough to shoot 3's.
To be fair, Bron can't dribble, has any moves, has a slow first step and is very predictable.

For starters

[20Four]

An idiot calling someone else an idiot, too much irony for me
Says the one who works at McDonald's? lol calm down son go shine my shoes dont hate because I did something with my life and you're just a certified burger flipper http://i.imgur.com/5Pzmmuq.png

[sdot_thadon]

Lol.... you mad!
Not at all, can't be mad at a slow kid. You're deflecting because you can't understand basketball, it's cool. There's no magical percentage where most of the shots will happen. Every game is different due to matchups, but a simple mind gets a simple picture I suppose.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This is where you went pipe again.

One on one isn't played in mid range bro, it's played on a basketball court. You can use any part of the floor. Most good one on one players play to their strengths. Big guys play big, small guys play small. So if 3s is your strength you shoot 3s, if speed is your strentgh you use speed. If you are the stronger player you use it.

Apparently brains aren't your strength, so in turn you don't use it. See how that works?

I won't even address your comment on whether or not I've played because it's pretty clear you haven't a clue. It's not a mid range shooting contest, it's not a blow by contest, it's not a post up contest. It's a basketball game, you use whatever advantages you have and win. Lebron's strength advantage is larger than MJ's speed advantage. It is what it is. I guess you think Mj would beat dream one on one too, cause that's pretty much the closest physical/athletic comparison you could probably make.

1-on-1 isn't relegated to any spot on the court. Someone that you cannot blow by will force you to shoot more jumpers and threes. That or you start playing with your back to the basket.

Because of Jordan's first step LeBron would struggle to defend him. He could leave him out to dry, stop on a dime, or use his jab to fake the drive. He'd use LeBron like a yo-yo basically.

In a best of 10, LeBron could get a couple of games - for sure. But Mike has a better chance of stopping him than the other way around. This isn't Shaq who has a massive height and weight advantage (he could literally post from top of the key, and just use his ass to clear space and finish around the hoop). Mike is one of the strongest guards ever as per Drexler, Horry and Pippen. His skills and freakish first step would prevail.

[kshutts1]

To be fair, Bron can't dribble, has any moves, has a slow first step and is very predictable.

For starters
Honest question. Assuming Lebron can't dribble, has no moves, has a slow first step, and is very predictable... I'll even throw in that he can't shoot, because that's another common argument.... why, then, has he been so successful?

[Trollsmasher]

damn, MJ mythologists in numbers in this thread:lol

"MJ was stronger than he looked" - sure and that's why he ended up in pain on the ground everytime he drove into the lane against the Pistons, regardless of how hard the hit actually was, and had to beg Stern on his knees, in Stern's office to help him after getting his ass kicked again and again

"LeBron would collapse from MJ's trash talk" - by his own admission MJ only talked trash to friends (since he was too much of a lil bitch to talk to people who did not like him in fear of getting punked) - LeBron does not consider Jordan a friend so MJ would just shut up like a lil meek bitch he is

[sdot_thadon]

1-on-1 isn't relegated to any spot on the court. Someone that you cannot blow by will force you to shoot more jumpers and threes. That or you start playing with your back to the basket.

Because of Jordan's first step LeBron would struggle to defend him. He could leave him out to dry, stop on a dime, or use his jab to fake the drive. He'd use LeBron like a yo-yo basically.

In a best of 10, LeBron could get a couple of games - for sure. But Mike has a better chance of stopping him than the other way around. This isn't Shaq who has a massive height and weight advantage (he could literally post from top of the key, and just use his ass to clear space and finish around the hoop). Mike is one of the strongest guards ever as per Drexler, Horry and Pippen. His skills and freakish first step would prevail.
I get what you're saying but it's only one sided, I'd love to hear a Jordan only fan say where he'd struggle because none of you have. He's basically invincible in any situation, that sure sounds legit.
Lebron can't blow by Mj but he can muscle by him. Haven't you guys watched this dude play? He doesn't need to blow by anyone, all he has to do is get shoulder to shoulder and walk them right to the rim. The strength lebron plays with isn't just applied to post game, it's in his drives and finishes as well. I said In a previous post I didn't feel he'd dominate him in any kind of way. I said his advantages are larger than Mjs.

[OldSchoolBBall]

SMH at those using in-game examples of "one on one" as an example for why Lebron would not win.

I don't think Lebron would beat MJ consistently, though, in 1 on 1. That's not his game.

Why are you SYH? Both plays are classic iso examples in the middle of the floor with a spread defense (which best approximates 1-on-1 since there would be no other defenders around). In both cases George blows right by Lebron and dunks in his face. You're kidding yourself if that wouldn't be wash, rinse, repeat for Jordan like 90% of the time.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I get what you're saying but it's only one sided, I'd love to hear a Jordan only fan say where he'd struggle because none of you have. He's basically invincible in any situation, that sure sounds legit.
Lebron can't blow by Mj but he can muscle by him. Haven't you guys watched this dude play? He doesn't need to blow by anyone, all he has to do is get shoulder to shoulder and walk them right to the rim. The strength lebron plays with isn't just applied to post game, it's in his drives and finishes as well. I said In a previous post I didn't feel he'd dominate him in any kind of way. I said his advantages are larger than Mjs.

Without completely running over him, I'm not sure how LeBron could just "outmuscle" Jordan head-on. Posting him up you mean? Sure. He could get a few points that way. Guy isn't just moving Jordan wherever he wanted though.

Again...this isn't Shaq we're talking about here. The size and weight advantage would be negated with Jordan's quickness and skills (and once more, MJ is one of the strongest players, ever, at his position).

[kshutts1]

Why are you SYH? Both plays are classic iso examples in the middle of the floor with a spread defense (which best approximates 1-on-1 since there would be no other defenders around). In both cases George blows right by Lebron and dunks in his face. You're kidding yourself if that wouldn't be wash, rinse, repeat for Jordan like 90% of the time.
Because, in a 5 on 5 game, an iso situation is still anything but. There are so many more factors at play.

Both players still need to be aware of their surroundings.
Both players need to be ready for the other players to "interfere".
Both players need to be mindful of the shot clock.

There have been zero straight-up, extended isos in the history of NBA basketball. No NBA situation is directly comparable to a one on one game. The situations can give us an idea of how players will handle those situations, but they are not a clear indicator, at all, of the results.

[Megabox!]

Says the one who works at McDonald's? lol calm down son go shine my shoes dont hate because I did something with my life and you're just a certified burger flipper http://i.imgur.com/5Pzmmuq.png
Ah the old "McDonalds" and "shine my shoes" jokes. Not only are you a midget but your brain is just as small :applause:

[kshutts1]

Ah the old "McDonalds" and "shine my shoes" jokes. Not only are you a midget but your brain is just as small :applause:
What do you do at McDonalds? My cousin is one of those "commercial" type people for McDonalds. It was her first, and only, job, starting at 16. Now she's a 35 yo single mother that owns her own home... because of working at McDonalds.

[JT123]

Ah the old "McDonalds" and "shine my shoes" jokes. Not only are you a midget but your brain is just as small :applause:
:roll:

[20Four]

Ah the old "McDonalds" and "shine my shoes" jokes. Not only are you a midget but your brain is just as small :applause:

Says the one living in his parents basement at 50 years old :roll: :roll: good job

[red1]

Andgar going full fanboy :oldlol:


Lol seriously questioning some of those

But still funny :lol
dey iz factz bro

[sdot_thadon]

Without completely running over him, I'm not sure how LeBron could just "outmuscle" Jordan head-on. Posting him up you mean? Sure. He could get a few points that way. Guy isn't just moving Jordan wherever he wanted though.

Again...this isn't Shaq we're talking about here. The size and weight advantage would be negated with Jordan's quickness and skills (and once more, MJ is one of the strongest players, ever, at his position).
I take it you've never seen how a less athletic guy drives to the basket using strength Ala Paul pierce? Mj was fast and Mj was strong, one of the most athletic players ever no doubt. Lebron is in that tier as well though, sure not as quick but maybe almost as fast, far stronger and bigger. This isn't Mj vs Karl malone, this is Lebron. He's just as much a specimen now as Mj was then. He's just built differently, in a way that gives him an advantage.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I take it you've never seen how a less athletic guy drives to the basket using strength Ala Paul pierce? Mj was fast and Mj was strong, one of the most athletic players ever no doubt. Lebron is in that tier as well though, sure not as quick but maybe almost as fast, far stronger and bigger. This isn't Mj vs Karl malone, this is Lebron. He's just as much a specimen now as Mj was then. He's just built differently, in a way that gives him an advantage.

I've seen LeBron's entire career, and I'm telling you in a half-court setting, against MJ, one of the greatest 1-on-1 defenders ever, he isn't taking Jordan head-on without barreling over him. He could post up, and even get most of his points doing so, but the advantage LeBron has in weight and height isn't a huge one like that of Shaq; see: Dr J. vs Kareem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DWaKXaAYA)

Jordan's skills on both ends would be too much for Bron. There's no significant matchup to be had on his side. More importantly, without his passing ability, defenses would be forced to stay honest and he'd turn into a volume scorer - elite, but nowhere near the level of a Jordan or even Kobe.

[sdot_thadon]

I've seen LeBron's entire career, and I'm telling you in a half-court setting, against MJ, one of the greatest 1-on-1 defenders ever, he isn't taking Jordan head-on without barreling over him. He could post up, and even get most of his points doing so, but the advantage LeBron has in weight and height isn't a huge one like that of Shaq; see: Dr J. vs Kareem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DWaKXaAYA)

Jordan's skills on both ends would be too much for Bron. There's no significant matchup to be had on his side. More importantly, without his passing ability, defenses would be forced to stay honest and he'd turn into a volume scorer - elite, but nowhere near the level of a Jordan or even Kobe.
I've seen all of Lebron's career and most of MJ's live too, MJ was too small, his quote about who he'd rather play was an insight to his thought process. He said himself, too big albeit he meant right now but he recognizes something his biggest fans can't. Hed hold his own because of the competitive nature but if it became a heated game I'm taking the guy who can overpower the other. 215 or below vs 260. Everyone is a volume scorer in one on one....

I'm still waiting for an answer, was he invincible or would he have trouble? How would he struggle or do you guys just expect him to walk on water every game?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I've seen all of Lebron's career and most of MJ's live too, MJ was too small, his quote about who he'd rather play was an insight to his thought process. He said himself, too big albeit he meant right now but he recognizes something his biggest fans can't. Hed hold his own because of the competitive nature but if it became a heated game I'm taking the guy who can overpower the other. 215 or below vs 260. Everyone is a volume scorer in one on one....

I'm still waiting for an answer, was he invincible or would he have trouble? How would he struggle or do you guys just expect him to walk on water every game?

He's not overpowering him to a degree where there would be a significant advantage. That's the point you are missing.

As soon as Jordan gets the ball, LeBron's only hope is that dude starts clanking. LeBron isn't getting by Jordan with his first step (weak), so he's either hurling jumpshots or posting up (not his expertise).

In a 1-on-1, I would take Shaq over Jordan, so lets steer clear from the hyperbole talk.

[sdot_thadon]

He's not overpowering him to a degree where there would be a significant advantage. That's the point you are missing.

As soon as Jordan gets the ball, LeBron's only hope is that dude starts clanking. LeBron isn't getting by Jordan with his first step (weak), so he's either hurling jumpshots or posting up (not his expertise).

In a 1-on-1, I would take Shaq over Jordan, so lets steer clear from the hyperbole talk.
Well in the same spirit then you have to feel Mj wasn't fast enough for it to be a clear advantage either, because his speed advantage is lesser than the strength advantage?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Well in the same spirit then you have to feel Mj wasn't fast enough for it to be a clear advantage either, because his speed advantage is lesser than the strength advantage?

Speed as in point A to B? Yeah I can concede that. I do feel his first step is a HUGE advantage though. I'm not sure LeBron gets the ball back if Mike was hell-bent in closing the game without playing defense.

[sdot_thadon]

Speed as in point A to B? Yeah I can concede that. I do feel his first step is a HUGE advantage though. I'm not sure LeBron gets the ball back if Mike was hell-bent in closing the game without playing defense.
The same could be said either way, these are 2 all time greats. Both very competitive.

[sd3035]

I wonder if a prime Jordan could handle Andre Iguodala

[Beastmode88]

I wonder if a prime Jordan could handle Andre Iguodala

IDK bro, jason terry might even give Jordan a run for his money at this rate.

[sdot_thadon]

I wonder if a prime Jordan could handle Andre Iguodala
You never know, I'd love to have been able to see just for the results. He's an elite perimeter defender in the post handchecking era. So he had to learn to guard differently than MJ's generation.

[#number6ix#]

KD would murder Jordan 1 on 1