Should fat ****s have to pay more tax or health insurance?

[Lensanity]

Personally, I can't think of a reason to not implement this. Imagine if everyone was given 2 years, and then anyone over 30% body fat had to pay extra for health insurance. People would actually quit making pathetic excuses (muh guhnetix) and lose some ****ing weight. All very healthy people should get free health care while the fat, worthless pieces of dying shit pay massive amounts to cover everyone else. The amount they have to pay should be determined based on income.

I'm tired of having to support all the disgusting fat pieces of shit who rack up tens of thousands of dollars worth of medical bills and can't afford it. No sympathy for them at all and us Healthy people shouldn't suffer.

What does ISH think? Probably no fat feminist pigs on here.

[Patrick Chewing]

Fat people shouldn't, but smokers definitely should.


Smokers love dishing that money out if they can pay $60 for a carton of cigarettes.

[Lensanity]

Fat people shouldn't, but smokers definitely should.


Smokers love dishing that money out if they can pay $60 for a carton of cigarettes.

Agreed. I shouldn't have to pay for the treatment of people that gave themselves cancer.

[christian1923]

I heard this shit on the radio called "binge eating disorder" lololol

[Lensanity]

I heard this shit on the radio called "binge eating disorder" lololol


:facepalm

I hate this country

[SpecialQue]

:facepalm

I hate this country

Then get the fvck out.

[Norcaliblunt]

Fat people are good for the economy, you know buying all that food and shit.

[ISHGoat]

Fat people are good for the economy, you know buying all that food and shit.
This. They also stimulate our economy by pumping money into the healthcare field

[masonanddixon]

No but people who have two or more children and shouldn't be reproducing (e.g. your mom) should have to pay higher taxes.

[bdreason]

The only realistic way is to subsidize people for being healthy. You'll never pass a bill that punishes people for what they eat/drink. Remember when that NY Governor tried to tax large soft drinks? People lose their minds. :oldlol:



You could offer tax credits though as part of Obamacare, where people who are able to show a sustained level of health receive subsidies for their healthcare costs.

[You Cant Ban Me]

Fat people enjoying a free all you can eat buffet in ops head

[iamgine]

They're already miserable because they're fat therefore ugly. Why do you wanna add to their burden?

[Type 2]

Personally, I can't think of a reason to not implement this. Imagine if everyone was given 2 years, and then anyone over 30% body fat had to pay extra for health insurance. People would actually quit making pathetic excuses (muh guhnetix) and lose some ****ing weight. All very healthy people should get free health care while the fat, worthless pieces of dying shit pay massive amounts to cover everyone else. The amount they have to pay should be determined based on income.

I'm tired of having to support all the disgusting fat pieces of shit who rack up tens of thousands of dollars worth of medical bills and can't afford it. No sympathy for them at all and us Healthy people shouldn't suffer.

What does ISH think? Probably no fat feminist pigs on here.

This is discrimination. First of all, you are making a lot of assumptions and completely disregarding that some people have weight issues due to medical conditions that are completely out of their control. Should we be tax people with cancer more too? Second, you are an asshole for how rude you are. As much as you think overweight people are terrible, assholes like you are much worse for our society. Maybe the law should be putting down people who are assholes. What does ISH think?

[Lensanity]

This is discrimination. First of all, you are making a lot of assumptions and completely disregarding that some people have weight issues due to medical conditions that are completely out of their control. Should we be tax people with cancer more too? Second, you are an asshole for how rude you are. As much as you think overweight people are terrible, assholes like you are much worse for our society. Maybe the law should be putting down people who are assholes. What does ISH think?


1. Calories in, calories out is all that matters for weight. Not condishunz.

2. You are clearly fat and disgusting

3. Go to the ****ing gym fat boy

[Type 2]

1. Calories in, calories out is all that matters for weight. Not condishunz.

2. You are clearly fat and disgusting

3. Go to the ****ing gym fat boy
Jesus you are a dumb asshole. Kiss my fat ass you hateful piece of crap.

[oarabbus]

This is discrimination. First of all, you are making a lot of assumptions and completely disregarding that some people have weight issues due to medical conditions that are completely out of their control. Should we be tax people with cancer more too? Second, you are an asshole for how rude you are. As much as you think overweight people are terrible, assholes like you are much worse for our society. Maybe the law should be putting down people who are assholes. What does ISH think?


Yeah, true... like .01% of people.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

This is discrimination. First of all, you are making a lot of assumptions and completely disregarding that some people have weight issues due to medical conditions that are completely out of their control. Should we be tax people with cancer more too? Second, you are an asshole for how rude you are. As much as you think overweight people are terrible, assholes like you are much worse for our society. Maybe the law should be putting down people who are assholes. What does ISH think?

Firstly, Id like to start off by saying that you're a wonderful human being for posting all those pictures of delightful delicacies on the thread. It's truly astounding how creative, constructive, colorful those concoctions were. And I have no doubt they also loved to be chewed and cherished by your mouth. But it'd be wise to use.. a different set of ingredients to slowly adjust.

I think, if you truly love your self, you'll want to preserve your intestines and digestive capacity; in addition to having good health. A tax upon people of your weight class would NOT be quite as beneficial, as say, the positive reinforcement of you sweating it out on the gym and treating yourself to a nice dish of wild salmon and asparagus afterwards. Moreover, the negative punishment of the tax would be detrimental in attacking people stuck in a hiatus willing to change, on the count of more pounds causes brain enervation in conjunction with feelings of depression, low self esteem.

You'll often receive the harshest cruelty from souls struggling like yourself on this journey we called life, the most rancid rebukes from guys who have luckily beaten something and want to toss you down the hole and depict it as Darwinian culling off the weak. Unfortunately, that's both cruel and stupid. But what they forget is that this world is a bountiful, lovely place with plenty of sunshines and rainbows, and that there are advanced alien species far more evolved than us that envy both our ability to conceive such combinations of cooking and the love we feel for another; composed of plasma matters that would dissipate the entire planet in a heartbeat. And they envy some of the dormant humanity within us. I know you are sparkling with potential, and that potential will reveal itself even more if I can softly suggest you drop 10 the next month. And perhaps another 10.. I know that you've worked hard just to exist, and I know that you're on a path but faltering.

And you're correct about assholes. Truth and humor often, but not always, comes from their mouths, as well as "tough love" but unfortunately anger and resentment are toxic emotions that often offset whatever good intentions a fine young man like Lensanity may have.

I've myself been at the top (well, relatively speaking) and then rock bottom, and it's only the highest Love that can cure us all and help us evolve.

Godspeed Type II.

[You Cant Ban Me]

1. Calories in, calories out is all that matters for weight. Not condishunz.

2. You are clearly fat and disgusting

3. Go to the ****ing gym fat boy


Jesus you are a dumb asshole. Kiss my fat ass you hateful piece of crap.
:roll: i love this gimmick

[Hawker]

There is already similar discrimination going on with USA citizens that live overseas.

Why should we have to pay US taxes when we're already paying taxes to the country we live in? Why should I have to give up my bank account numbers or face years in jail or massively excessive fines?

Look up FATCA. THIS SHIT IS ALREADY GOING ON. Nevermind the fat ****s.

[UK2K]

If you smoke, you pay more. It's a choice to smoke, so you choose to pay more. I smoke black and milds regularly, I don't have a problem paying more for my insurance.

If you are fat, you should pay more. Being fat is a choice.

I will say there are certain medical conditions that cause people to be fat, but its not genetics. I watched a documentary on a kid who's receptors in his brain made him feel like he was starving no matter how much he ate. That, I can accept.

But if you willing eat more calories than you consume, you aren't trying to lose weight.

[ALBballer]

There is already similar discrimination going on with USA citizens that live overseas.

Why should we have to pay US taxes when we're already paying taxes to the country we live in? Why should I have to give up my bank account numbers or face years in jail or massively excessive fines?

Look up FATCA. THIS SHIT IS ALREADY GOING ON. Nevermind the fat ****s.

Hawker you do understand that there are major exceptions made for expats (if you make less than 100k then most likely you will not pay any US tax) and any tax paid abroad will be applied as a foreign tax credit, thus, you will never be taxed more than you would if you worked in the United States.

The bank account issue is due to a major scandal that involved extremely wealthy people offshoring their wealth and not reporting the income back to the United States.

A better example of hypocrisy can be made that a corporation can create a new foreign corporation to do business abroad and will not be taxed on those earnings from the foreign corp unless they are repatriated back to the United States while an U.S. citizen would be jailed for doing the same thing.

Comparing issues of an expat to the issues the OP presented is futile.

As for the OP, since our healthcare is essentially collectivized then I guess the argument can be made that "fat" people have to pay higher premiums. However, these fatties will probably live a shorter life and will not be able to take advantage of the social programs offered by the gov't (ie social security, medicare, etc) so maybe their excess consumption is a net positive for the economy.

[Dresta]

If smokers pay more, then it is completely hypocritical and illogical for fat people also not to pay more. Anyway, i thought addiction was a 'disease' nowadays? Ergo, it is inhumane to force smokers to pay more by that modern logic. If anything, they should be entitled to some tasty benefits...

Not to mention all the money saved on pensions, medicare, and so on. Old people cost the most money; lettuce be serious now. Without smokers the age demographics in the US would be even more ****ed, and the country would be even more bankrupt. Y'all owe smokers a huge debt; be grateful for their sacrifice.

[UK2K]

Hawker you do understand that there are major exceptions made for expats (if you make less than 100k then most likely you will not pay any US tax) and any tax paid abroad will be applied as a foreign tax credit, thus, you will never be taxed more than you would if you worked in the United States.

The bank account issue is due to a major scandal that involved extremely wealthy people offshoring their wealth and not reporting the income back to the United States.

A better example of hypocrisy can be made that a corporation can create a new foreign corporation to do business abroad and will not be taxed on those earnings from the foreign corp unless they are repatriated back to the United States while an U.S. citizen would be jailed for doing the same thing.

Comparing issues of an expat to the issues the OP presented is futile.

As for the OP, since our healthcare is essentially collectivized then I guess the argument can be made that "fat" people have to pay higher premiums. However, these fatties will probably live a shorter life and will not be able to take advantage of the social programs offered by the gov't (ie social security, medicare, etc) so maybe their excess consumption is a net positive for the economy.

The hospital bills alone taking care of someone super fat is expensive.

Leftists like socialism and paying a 'fair share'. They should be all aboard with the concept of fat people paying more as a result of fat people requiring more for healthcare.

[Godzuki]

to be fair fat people die earlier than healthy people. so that social security in many cases goes back into the pot, while healthy people will take every penny owed to them. that probably balances out with health costs, or even may exceed it :confusedshrug:

[RidonKs]

na just give healthy people a tax credit, much easier

[Lakers Legend#32]

Fat chicks should be taxed the most.

[Lensanity]

If you smoke, you pay more. It's a choice to smoke, so you choose to pay more. I smoke black and milds regularly, I don't have a problem paying more for my insurance.

If you are fat, you should pay more. Being fat is a choice.

I will say there are certain medical conditions that cause people to be fat, but its not genetics. I watched a documentary on a kid who's receptors in his brain made him feel like he was starving no matter how much he ate. That, I can accept.

But if you willing eat more calories than you consume, you aren't trying to lose weight.

I agree with everything but smoke weed or at least blunts, not tobacco :no:

[Hawker]

Hawker you do understand that there are major exceptions made for expats (if you make less than 100k then most likely you will not pay any US tax) and any tax paid abroad will be applied as a foreign tax credit, thus, you will never be taxed more than you would if you worked in the United States.

The bank account issue is due to a major scandal that involved extremely wealthy people offshoring their wealth and not reporting the income back to the United States.

A better example of hypocrisy can be made that a corporation can create a new foreign corporation to do business abroad and will not be taxed on those earnings from the foreign corp unless they are repatriated back to the United States while an U.S. citizen would be jailed for doing the same thing.

Comparing issues of an expat to the issues the OP presented is futile.

As for the OP, since our healthcare is essentially collectivized then I guess the argument can be made that "fat" people have to pay higher premiums. However, these fatties will probably live a shorter life and will not be able to take advantage of the social programs offered by the gov't (ie social security, medicare, etc) so maybe their excess consumption is a net positive for the economy.

I haven't had to pay any US tax the past two years but you're actually not as well versed in foreign taxes. That is on foreign EARNED income and not on foreign unearned income (pensions, dividends, capital gains etc.). Also the exception is only up to $100k US which I've gotten mighty close to hitting the past two years.

And not all tax paid abroad can be exempt. It's only subtracted from the taxes you would've paid as a US citizen. Thus, you will pay more than what you pay in your country.

Check this link out for more details (https://americansabroad.org/issues/taxation/us-taxes-abroad-dummies/)

In that example, the US employee working in France has to pay $6,449 to the IRS even though he doesn't live in the US or used their services for that financial year. And that's only on $150k USD.

The bank account issue is BS. Make it more appealing to keep your money in the US. Don't **** up the lives of 99% of US citizens living overseas for some wealthy bankers that you can't even name? The upkeep of the program is more expensive than the taxes brought in.

I don't think it's futile to present the discrimination that exists already among US citizens living abroad.US overseas citizens have to pay >$1,000 USD to accountants to make sure their taxes are up to code, are being denied basic banking services from certain countries and have to split up their assets with their partner. If I marry a foreign woman, the IRS would want to know what she has. That isn't right.

And it's not just expats either dude, that's where you're brainwashed. It's a myth that we're all making bank...we're regular citizens like you. My roommate is a US citizen but moved to Australia when he was 15 and stayed here. I told him about this BS recently...he hasn't filed US taxes once. If the banks found out he was a US citizen and wasn't filing his taxes or giving up his bank account number, he'd be in jail or pay massive fines that he can't afford.

Record numbers of US citizens are renouncing their citizenship dude...and these are legit US citizens that you don't want renouncing. The ones that are great US ambassadors to the rest of the world that give Americans a good name. Unfortunately, some US citizens overseas cant afford the amount of money it takes to renounce citizenship even though they've been pushed into a corner by big government USA.

The discrimination already exists. That's all I'm pointing out.

[ALBballer]

I haven't had to pay any US tax the past two years but you're actually not as well versed in foreign taxes. That is on foreign EARNED income and not on foreign unearned income (pensions, dividends, capital gains etc.). Also the exception is only up to $100k US which I've gotten mighty close to hitting the past two years.

And not all tax paid abroad can be exempt. It's only subtracted from the taxes you would've paid as a US citizen. Thus, you will pay more than what you pay in your country.

Check this link out for more details (https://americansabroad.org/issues/taxation/us-taxes-abroad-dummies/)

In that example, the US employee working in France has to pay $6,449 to the IRS even though he doesn't live in the US or used their services for that financial year. And that's only on $150k USD.

The bank account issue is BS. Make it more appealing to keep your money in the US. Don't **** up the lives of 99% of US citizens living overseas for some wealthy bankers that you can't even name? The upkeep of the program is more expensive than the taxes brought in.

I don't think it's futile to present the discrimination that exists already among US citizens living abroad.US overseas citizens have to pay >$1,000 USD to accountants to make sure their taxes are up to code, are being denied basic banking services from certain countries and have to split up their assets with their partner. If I marry a foreign woman, the IRS would want to know what she has. That isn't right.

And it's not just expats either dude, that's where you're brainwashed. It's a myth that we're all making bank...we're regular citizens like you. My roommate is a US citizen but moved to Australia when he was 15 and stayed here. I told him about this BS recently...he hasn't filed US taxes once. If the banks found out he was a US citizen and wasn't filing his taxes or giving up his bank account number, he'd be in jail or pay massive fines that he can't afford.

Record numbers of US citizens are renouncing their citizenship dude...and these are legit US citizens that you don't want renouncing. The ones that are great US ambassadors to the rest of the world that give Americans a good name. Unfortunately, some US citizens overseas cant afford the amount of money it takes to renounce citizenship even though they've been pushed into a corner by big government USA.

The discrimination already exists. That's all I'm pointing out.

I am pretty well versed in it although it isn't quite my specialty. If you make under $99,200 then you will not pay US taxes and if you work in a country will low income tax then you make off pretty well. For those that make more (above $100k) you will not be taxed more than the U.S. tax rate. It could be argued that it is unfair because the United States taxes income inside and outside it's border, and there is a huge grey area for U.S. citizens that have lived abroad and have not been back to the United States for years but should technically be reporting their income. These are valid criticisms.

Also I'm not saying all expats are wealthy although like I said if you make under $100k you won't even be taxed by the US but I am saying the whole foreign bank account regulation is due to the scandal of wealthy people offshoring their money and not reporting any income. IRS and other countries have gone after these offshore banks and rules are much stricter.

The bigger discrimination is why can a corporation set up a foreign subsidiary and not have to report any foreign income while you would be arrested for doing the same thing.

[Hawker]

I am pretty well versed in it although it isn't quite my specialty. If you make under $99,200 then you will not pay US taxes and if you work in a country will low income tax then you make off pretty well. For those that make more (above $100k) you will not be taxed more than the U.S. tax rate. It could be argued that it is unfair because the United States taxes income inside and outside it's border, and there is a huge grey area for U.S. citizens that have lived abroad and have not been back to the United States for years but should technically be reporting their income. These are valid criticisms.

Also I'm not saying all expats are wealthy although like I said if you make under $100k you won't even be taxed by the US but I am saying the whole foreign bank account regulation is due to the scandal of wealthy people offshoring their money and not reporting any income. IRS and other countries have gone after these offshore banks and rules are much stricter.

The bigger discrimination is why can a corporation set up a foreign subsidiary and not have to report any foreign income while you would be arrested for doing the same thing.

Right but you're missing the point. I already pay taxes to the country that I'm living in. I shouldn't have to pay up to the U.S. tax rate. USA and Eritrea are the only countries that utilize this practise. I'm not using US roads or anything. I don't owe shit to the U.S. government. Those taxes don't pay for an extraction if I'm in trouble in foreign country. It's like New York taxing you still when you left for the midwest.

Props to those foreign corporations for avoiding tax revenue to the US government. They only have themselves to blame for forcing US companies to do so. It is a discrimination...for sure as is everything the US government does, it affects the 99% like I mentioned before.

Even if you make under $100k, you can still get fined for not reporting your bank account numbers if you had over $10k USD. And that's only foreign EARNED income. You can technically make less than $100k but still get taxed on foreign unearned income.

I really don't care why the foreign bank account regulation is in place. It needs to be repealed. It's a violation on eight constitutional counts the major one a right to privacy and requirement for a warrant. It's not bringing in anymore money than they anticipated and only making US citizens renounce their US citizenship.

Rand Paul, Jim Bopp and Republicans Overseas have filed a lawsuit against the IRS/DOJ in the supreme court so hopefully it all gets overturned and US citizens living overseas can no longer live in fear of coming home and being able to resume a normal life.

Anyways, ALBballer, sorry for the jabs on the earlier post. I'm just glad someone on this website actually knows what's going on and isn't caught up with the drama that happens in America.

[ALBballer]

Right but you're missing the point. I already pay taxes to the country that I'm living in. I shouldn't have to pay up to the U.S. tax rate. USA and Eritrea are the only countries that utilize this practise. I'm not using US roads or anything. I don't owe shit to the U.S. government. Those taxes don't pay for an extraction if I'm in trouble in foreign country. It's like New York taxing you still when you left for the midwest.



Technically United States and Eritrea both tax non-resident world wide income. Most countries employ a residential system where they will tax foreign income of their residents . Thus, a German citizen working in the United States will be taxed by both Germany and the United States. If you were (insert "X" citizen) chances are you would still be paying taxes abroad. The united States isn't alone in taxing foreign income.

In theory without these rules a person could move all of their bank accounts to say the Cayman Islands and claim all of their income is derived in the Cayman Islands not have to report any income taxes back to the United States. Or they could set up a residence in a vacation home in the Dominican Republic and trade securities and not have to pay income tax to the united states. The system isn't perfect and some individuals could even be double taxed depending on the rules but you should see why most countries would want to tax their citizens that work abroad. Many states do the same thing. If you are a resident in California and working in Nevada, California will tax you on those earnings.

As to whether the benefits you derive, I think you make a fair point. But there are plenty of things taxes go to that don't benefit me either. Take your pick? Defense spending, entitlements, etc. You yourself are the oil and gas guru, how many billions of subsidies are being sent to promote your industry?

Like you mentioned before, you could always renounce your United States citizenship. Become a resident of one of the EU countries which tend to have high personal income taxes.


Props to those foreign corporations for avoiding tax revenue to the US government. They only have themselves to blame for forcing US companies to do so. It is a discrimination...for sure as is everything the US government does, it affects the 99% like I mentioned before.

Yes props to them for privatizing their wealth and socializing their costs while they set up their exotic schemes to offshore their income to low tax countries.

I do feel for smaller corporations that are taxed at 35% but most of these multinational fortune 500 companies are smart enough to not pay close to that rate. Personally I think the rates should be lowered and many of these foreign double dutch crap schemes used by these companies would then serve no point. But I'm also for removing many of the deductions and credits these companies love to use as well. But that will never happen because these large multinational companies lobby their politicians to enact these rules. They will bitch at the maximum 35% rate while they pay nothing close to that amount. Check out companies like Apple that are paying a rate of around 10-15%.


Even if you make under $100k, you can still get fined for not reporting your bank account numbers if you had over $10k USD. And that's only foreign EARNED income. You can technically make less than $100k but still get taxed on foreign unearned income.

I really don't care why the foreign bank account regulation is in place. It needs to be repealed. It's a violation on eight constitutional counts the major one a right to privacy and requirement for a warrant. It's not bringing in anymore money than they anticipated and only making US citizens renounce their US citizenship.

I'm not too familiar with the regulations all I know is about the big scandal that broke through a few years ago. I can see why they are in place to limit wealthy individuals offshoring their money to places like Switzerland and then not reporting their income back to the united States. I think for your average Joe the restrictions should be lessened.


Rand Paul, Jim Bopp and Republicans Overseas have filed a lawsuit against the IRS/DOJ in the supreme court so hopefully it all gets overturned and US citizens living overseas can no longer live in fear of coming home and being able to resume a normal life.



This I agree with. I don't think people that have lived for years abroad and did not file US tax returns should be subject to harsh penalties. But with your typical expat that expects to come back to the United States then I think they should report their income. If you work for a large company most of them will employ an accountant to handle these matters. Personally I am for lowering all individual tax rates and simplifying the tax code.

Regardless you're still in your 20s and probably have your housing subsidized abroad (could be partially taxable) and your first $100k are not being taxed by the United States and if you are working a low income country then you make off pretty well. I have to pay income tax to the Federal Govt, State Govt, cities, county etc and if I received any housing subsidy it would most likely be taxable.

The situation isn't so bad. Ask a German national what he thinks about taxes when close to half their paycheck is going back to the state.


Anyways, ALBballer, sorry for the jabs on the earlier post. I'm just glad someone on this website actually knows what's going on and isn't caught up with the drama that happens in America.

No worries man.

[DukeDelonte13]

In the U.S. fat people do pay more. They have for years and years, probably decades even. This is not a new or novel concept.

If you have your own health insurance policy you pay out the ass for every little single thing you can imagine.

My premiums once went up because another person with the exact same name as me had some sort of bad infection. My premiums skyrocketed, I resolved the issue and they went back down, but still 20 more bucks a month because they had to spend time and money to fix the problem.

[Type 2]

In the U.S. fat people do pay more. They have for years and years, probably decades even. This is not a new or novel concept.

If you have your own health insurance policy you pay out the ass for every little single thing you can imagine.

My premiums once went up because another person with the exact same name as me had some sort of bad infection. My premiums skyrocketed, I resolved the issue and they went back down, but still 20 more bucks a month because they had to spend time and money to fix the problem.

Overweight people also contribute a lot to the economy, yet the OP wants to punish them because he is a selfish prick.