Players today are bigger stronger faster better

[JohnnySic]

In the 90's you had Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Kemp, Webber, Mourning, Barkley, Derick Coleman, Larry Johnson, Mutombo, Malone, etc.

Today you have Howard, Davis, Cousins, Drummond, Gasols, DeAndre Jordan, etc.

:whatever:

[ArbitraryWater]

And now compare perimeter players..

[rmt]

In the 90's you had Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Kemp, Webber, Mourning, Barkley, Derick Coleman, Larry Johnson, Mutombo, Malone, etc.

Today you have Howard, Davis, Cousins, Drummond, Gasols, DeAndre Jordan, etc.

:whatever:

None of today's players hold a candle to DRob, much less Shaq, much less Wilt.

[JohnnySic]

None of today's players hold a candle to DRob, much less Shaq, much less Wilt.
Kind of my point.

[rmt]

Kind of my point.

So why'd you put that title? Sarcasm?

[DonDadda59]

And now compare perimeter players..

Ladies and gentlemen, your last 2 MVPs:

http://jerseygirlsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/kevin-durant-resting.jpg

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/capitals-fire47.jpg

Freaks of nature they are. :applause:

[ekosky]

And now compare perimeter players..
We're waiting, Johnny boy.

[fpliii]

Blake Griffin is bigger, faster, and stronger than all the guys you listed besides Shaq and Robinson.

Better? Pau Gasol and Demarcus Cousins are more skilled than a lot of the guys you listed for the 90s.

[JohnnySic]

So why'd you put that title? Sarcasm?
Yes, I thought Rudy Gay made that obvious..

[JohnnySic]

Blake Griffin is bigger, faster, and stronger than all the guys you listed besides Shaq and Robinson.

Better? Pau Gasol and Demarcus Cousins are more skilled than a lot of the guys you listed for the 90s.
Stronger than Barkley and Malone? LOL

[eliteballer]

Blake Griffin is bigger, faster, and stronger than all the guys you listed besides Shaq and Robinson.

Better? Pau Gasol and Demarcus Cousins are more skilled than a lot of the guys you listed for the 90s.

Griffin's like 6-8 without shoes.

[fpliii]

Stronger than Barkley and Malone? LOL
I didn't see Malone. Barkley, yeah I'd say Blake is stronger than Barkley.

Both are recorded as weighing 251 lbs., but Blake has the more powerful upperbody.

[JohnnySic]

And now compare perimeter players..
Except for LeBron's size/strength (who isn't really perimeter anyway) its arguable.

LeBron, Wade, Westbrook, Paul, Harden, Curry, etc., vs Jordan, Pippen, Drexler, Hill, Hardaway, Payton, Kidd, Richmond, etc.

[DonDadda59]

I didn't see Malone. Barkley, yeah I'd say Blake is stronger than Barkley.

Both are recorded as weighing 251 lbs., but Blake has the more powerful upperbody.

Crack is whack. Barkley is pound for pound one of the strongest players ever. Blake has him beat on hops and height, absolutely nothing else.

[fpliii]

Threads like this are redundant. It's no debate that big men in the 90s were better.

But the fact that you tried hard to add names to the 90s list and purposely forgot good names from last season shows your bias. You're comparing an entire decade to one season, that's not a fair argument.

[rmt]

Yes, I thought Rudy Gay made that obvious..

Sorry, I didn't even notice his picture :oldlol:


Blake Griffin is bigger, faster, and stronger than all the guys you listed besides Shaq and Robinson.

Better? Pau Gasol and Demarcus Cousins are more skilled than a lot of the guys you listed for the 90s.

Big men today are pitiful compared to big men of the past.

[ekosky]

Threads like this are redundant. It's no debate that big men in the 90s were better.

But the fact that you tried hard to add names to the 90s list and purposely forgot good names from last season shows your bias. You're comparing an entire decade to one season, that's not a fair argument.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/586980196152172544/qzYohyac_400x400.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

Threads like this are redundant. It's no debate that big men in the 90s were better.

But the fact that you tried hard to add names to the 90s list and purposely forgot good names from last season shows your bias. You're comparing an entire decade to one season, that's not a fair argument.

owned

[fpliii]

Larry Johnson, Derrick Coleman, and Dikembe Mutombo do not belong on the list of 90s players when comparing them to guys like Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol who both have better peaks, primes, and accomplishments.

[Sarcastic]

I didn't see Malone. Barkley, yeah I'd say Blake is stronger than Barkley.

Both are recorded as weighing 251 lbs., but Blake has the more powerful upperbody.


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Barkley would toss Blake around like a rag doll in the post. Barkley used to hold his ground with prime Shaq, meanwhile Blake had to be benched for old Kenyon Martin because Zach Randolph was too strong for him.

[eliteballer]

Blake strikes me as one of those guys who looks way stronger than he really is.

[fpliii]

Barkley is more mass than muscle, Blake is the other way around.

Barkley has the stronger lower center of gravity, on the other hand Blake has the stronger upper body.

You look at their physique at their peaks and Blake looks bigger, as Barkley aged he got bigger around the waist and became a stronger post defender because of that.

If you're comparing Houston Barkley to Blake Griffin, then I'd agree 100% that Barkley is the stronger player.

[eliteballer]

Barkley is more mass than muscle, Blake is the other way around.

Barkley has the stronger lower center of gravity, on the other hand Blake has the stronger upper body.

You look at their physique at their peaks and Blake looks bigger, as Barkley aged he got bigger around the waist and became a stronger post defender because of that.

:roll: :roll:

Barkley used to tumble around with Malone...

and there's that story of him ripping a urinal out of a wall.

[DonDadda59]

Barkley is more mass than muscle, Blake is the other way around.

Barkley has the stronger lower center of gravity, on the other hand Blake has the stronger upper body.

You look at their physique at their peaks and Blake looks bigger, as Barkley aged he got bigger around the waist and became a stronger post defender because of that.

If you're comparing Houston Barkley to Blake Griffin, then I'd agree 100% that Barkley is the stronger player.

You're clearly confusing physique with actual functional strength. :lol

There are plenty of weightlifters out there who look like fat f*cks who would toss around Mr. Universe like he was a bag of rice. Charles Barkley is far stronger than Blake. It's not even remotely close.

[Sarcastic]

Blake definitely has a prettier more chiseled physique, but definition =/= strength. Barkley had insane natural strength, even when he was with the Sixers.

[G-train]

The top 10% hasn't changed that much, but the depth of athleticism has.
Watch a layup line from 1990, and watch one now.

[Sarcastic]

The top 10% hasn't changed that much, but the depth of athleticism has.
Watch a layup line from 1990, and watch one now.


The league is whiter and more Euro than it's ever been. Are you suggesting they've made it more athletic? I watched the Knicks all of last year, and believe me we had tons of nonathletic players.

[fpliii]

Between Barkley and Griffin, Barkley has the stronger lower center of gravity (his center of gravity is up there with the strongest PFs of All-Time), and between Barkley and Griffin, Griffin has the stronger upper-body.

Barkley's lower body allows him to battle in the post on both sides of the ball with bigger players and Griffin's upper body allows him to constantly finish through contact and rattle the rim on dunks.

You can't view true strength unless you have both player's stats in the weight room.

[Sarcastic]

Bigger, stronger, faster

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And this guy was the #1 pick of the draft.

[fpliii]

^A first round pick almost 10 years ago

[Sarcastic]

^A first round pick almost 10 years ago


So guys have evolved that much huh?

I did a little math on the current rate of human evolution, and by 2065, merely 50 years from now, they will have to raise the rims to 20 feet, and double the length and width of the court, due to all the 10 foot, 400 pound point guards that the league will have.

[KG215]

Ladies and gentlemen, your last 2 MVPs:

http://jerseygirlsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/kevin-durant-resting.jpg

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/capitals-fire47.jpg

Freaks of nature they are. :applause:
Slight frame aside, Durant really is a freak of nature. A 6'10"-6'11" player with good handles, quickness, agility, and unlimited range on his jumper makes him one of the more unique players to ever player in the NBA.

[Hey Yo]

Bigger, stronger, faster......."we have the power to rebuild him"

https://thiswastv.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/sixmillion-splsh.jpg

[G-train]

The league is whiter and more Euro than it's ever been. Are you suggesting they've made it more athletic? I watched the Knicks all of last year, and believe me we had tons of nonathletic players.

Yeah the 2014/15 knicks are ****ing horrible in every way in any era. Bad example.
Then you pull out another bad example with one guy.

What's white and euro got do with it?
You randomly select Bustnana, I will randomly select Hezonja.

Advanced training and human adaptation has increased the athleticism depth.
The absolute top hasn't changed much, but seemingly every man and his dog can pull a windmill dunk, bench big weight and run the floor like a sprinter.

Willie Green looks like a lawyer and he does windmills in the layup line easy as pie.

[Kvnzhangyay]

So guys have evolved that much huh?

I did a little math on the current rate of human evolution, and by 2065, merely 50 years from now, they will have to raise the rims to 20 feet, and double the length and width of the court, due to all the 10 foot, 400 pound point guards that the league will have.

No one's saying the athletic freaks are more athletic than the previous athletic freaks. It's just that the talent pool (which includes athleticism obviously) is much deeper now, with the rising popularity of the sport. No one's saying people are generally more athletic than before. It's just that the increased popularity makes it easier to find players that are in the top tier athletically

More people around the globe liking basketball= higher chance of an athletic freak choosing to play basketball, instead of say, soccer

[G-train]

Kevin Durant is one of the most athletic people to grace this planet ever.
He is basically 7 foot tall, coordinated, fast, quick and leap.
He's an alien life form.

[raprap]

The league is more athletic now. Not individually, but as a whole. Don't let nostalgia ruin your logic.

[Sarcastic]

Yeah the 2014/15 knicks are ****ing horrible in every way in any era. Bad example.
Then you pull out another bad example with one guy.

What's white and euro got do with it?
You randomly select Bustnana, I will randomly select Hezonja.

Advanced training and human adaptation has increased the athleticism depth.
The absolute top hasn't changed much, but seemingly every man and his dog can pull a windmill dunk, bench big weight and run the floor like a sprinter.

Willie Green looks like a lawyer and he does windmills in the layup line easy as pie.


Hezonja is no more athletic than guys like Dan Marjle or Rex Chapman.

Training techniques have gotten better, but physiologically human have not evolved nor adapted in the past 20 years to any degree that it would be noticeable at all. In fact humans have not changed in about 200,000 years.

[G-train]

Hezonja is no more athletic than guys like Dan Marjle or Rex Chapman.

Training techniques have gotten better, but physiologically human have not evolved nor adapted in the past 20 years to any degree that it would be noticeable at all. In fact humans have not changed in about 200,000 years.

Majerle and Chapman were pretty amazing athletes for their time, but that being said neither can run as fast or leap as high as Hezonja.
Not sure what your point is when you mention 2 of the better athletes of the 90's that aren't as athletic as half the league now.
I can't guarantee they are more athletic than James Ennis, just to pull out a random middle range NBA athlete.

[inclinerator]

So guys have evolved that much huh?

I did a little math on the current rate of human evolution, and by 2065, merely 50 years from now, they will have to raise the rims to 20 feet, and double the length and width of the court, due to all the 10 foot, 400 pound point guards that the league will have.
it might with genetic modification

[eliteballer]

Hezonja is no more athletic than guys like Dan Marjle or Rex Chapman.

Training techniques have gotten better, but physiologically human have not evolved nor adapted in the past 20 years to any degree that it would be noticeable at all. In fact humans have not changed in about 200,000 years.

Uh, your only partially correct. The average height of a man during Napoleon's era and even later during the Civil War I believe was only like 5-6. Obviously the difference now being nutrition.

[TheBigVeto]

They may be bigger or stronger or faster, but they are not necessarily better.

[Round Mound]

I didn't see Malone. Barkley, yeah I'd say Blake is stronger than Barkley.

Both are recorded as weighing 251 lbs., but Blake has the more powerful upperbody.

The Things We Have To Listen To By Kids In ISH :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes: :no:

[Cali Syndicate]

Between Barkley and Griffin, Barkley has the stronger lower center of gravity (his center of gravity is up there with the strongest PFs of All-Time), and between Barkley and Griffin, Griffin has the stronger upper-body.

Barkley's lower body allows him to battle in the post on both sides of the ball with bigger players and Griffin's upper body allows him to constantly finish through contact and rattle the rim on dunks.

You can't view true strength unless you have both player's stats in the weight room.
A stronger lower body and posterior chain is more useful in basically every sport than a stronger upper body.

[Marchesk]

Durant is kind of unique, but there was a guy nicknamed the Iceman, and there was also McAdoo.

[G-train]

Durant is kind of unique, but there was a guy nicknamed the Iceman, and there was also McAdoo.

Yep and as good as they were, he has already surpassed them in athletic feats.

[Marchesk]

Here's another thing to consider. How important was a stylistic dunk in the 60s? How often did a great dunk make it onto ESPN? How important were verticals?

[Marchesk]

Yep and as good as they were, he has already surpassed them in athletic feats.

But he hasn't passed the Doctor, and he never will, athletically speaking. Not sure he will pass him on the all-time list either, although he has a shot, if he can stay healthy (and play at 2014 level for a while).

[Cali Syndicate]

Durant isnt that unique, considering tmac was 6'8 with a very similar skillset.

[VeeCee15]

Shaq is the greatest center ever.

He was unstoppable. Not Kareem. And Wilt played in a super weak era where basketball wasn't that popular and there were like 6+teams. lol.

Who can dominate the game like shaq can? Not kareem. Not hakeem.
Who can go through triple teams like shaq? no one.

[Marchesk]

Shaq is the greatest center ever.

He was unstoppable. Not Kareem. And Wilt played in a super weak era where basketball wasn't that popular and there were like 6+teams. lol.

Who can dominate the game like shaq can? Not kareem. Not hakeem.
Who can go through triple teams like shaq? no one.

Shaq was dominant, but how many times did he lead the league in scoring, rebounding and blocked shots? Because Wilt did lead (or would have if blocked shots were recorded) the league in all of those categories at least half of his career.

Shaq did lead the league many times in FG% (as did Wilt), but did Shaq ever shoot 68.3% while leading the league in rebounds and team in assists?

[Gileraracer]

I feel like 90s is still "today"

[swagga]

Ladies and gentlemen, your last 2 MVPs:

http://jerseygirlsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/kevin-durant-resting.jpg

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/capitals-fire47.jpg

Freaks of nature they are. :applause:

durant's first step is ridiculous for a guy his size.

[swagga]

Durant is kind of unique, but there was a guy nicknamed the Iceman, and there was also McAdoo.

duran't first step and handle is what makes him truly unique. There's been tall guys that can really shoot it, but none with durant's skillset. He's pretty unique tbh, closest is tmac, who was also a freak.

[pauk]

I consider the 90s being "today" (modern era)...

[Marchesk]

I consider the 90s being "today" (modern era)...

Will the 2030s be the modern era also?

[GIF REACTION]

1. Game geared more towards perimeter play
2. Not as many players using Steroids/AAS anymore like there was in the 80's and 90's

fin.

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O41xKFOjuSQ

LeBron James' Top 40 Dunks All-Star Weekend

[GIF REACTION]

Never stop being YOU, Lebron23

This is why we love you

[raprap]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O41xKFOjuSQ

LeBron James' Top 40 Dunks All-Star Weekend
:rockon: thanks for the link bro.

[Paul George 24]

In the 90's you had Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Kemp, Webber, Mourning, Barkley, Derick Coleman, Larry Johnson, Mutombo, Malone, etc.

Today you have Howard, Davis, Cousins, Drummond, Gasols, DeAndre Jordan, etc.

:whatever:

idiot..............:roll:

davis,cousins strong ?????????????

[Paul George 24]

Blake Griffin is bigger, faster, and stronger than all the guys you listed besides Shaq and Robinson.

Better? Pau Gasol and Demarcus Cousins are more skilled than a lot of the guys you listed for the 90s.

bigger,stronger,faster ??????? :wtf:

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/ytDtTNb5nP.23r9jZ1na4g--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NTM5O3E9OTU7dz02NDE-/http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1008/karl.malone.rare.photos/images/malone-bicep.jpg

[Paul George 24]

Kevin Durant is one of the most athletic people to grace this planet ever.
He is basically 7 foot tall, coordinated, fast, quick and leap.
He's an alien life form.
kg>>>>>>>>>>>>> durant,so sorry

[Paul George 24]

duran't first step and handle is what makes him truly unique. There's been tall guys that can really shoot it, but none with durant's skillset. He's pretty unique tbh, closest is tmac, who was also a freak.

prime kg was a much better athlete than durant ever been
can play all 5 postion,better handles with 40 inch vertical leap

[Paul George 24]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O41xKFOjuSQ

LeBron James' Top 40 Dunks All-Star Weekend
not come close to goat jordan :no:

[fpliii]

PG24 clearly didn't see the post where I said I didn't see Malone, either that or he has a fetish for him.