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I<3NBA
08-19-2015, 09:06 AM
in place of Iverson?

naturally, Iverson would be on the Lakers.

I mean, he still has a good big man in Mutombo to get all his Kobe assists.

so what do you guys think?

kurple
08-19-2015, 09:17 AM
lakers sweep

Lebron23
08-19-2015, 09:18 AM
Lakers sweep the Kobe led Sixers team. Iverson was better than Kobe in 2001.

West-Side
08-19-2015, 09:47 AM
Lakers sweep the Kobe led Sixers team. Iverson was better than Kobe in 2001.

I genuinely want to punch you in your face because you are so ****ing stupid.
In large part why LA was undefeated until the Finals was because of how dominant Kobe played. Him & Shaq just destroyed teams on route to the NBA finals.

Go watch his series against the Spurs that year.

Kobe
29.4 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.8 BPG, 47 FG%, 25 PER, 56 TS%

Iverson
32.9 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 6.1 APG, 2.4 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 39 FG%, 22.5 PER, 48 TS%

:rolleyes: Oh yeah, I guess Sam Cassell's ass was better than Kobe too that year.

It's unreal how underrated this man is on this forum.
Just sickening.

To answer the question; I think at max Kobe would be able to win 2 games.
There's no way he beats Shaq & Iverson though.

Bankaii
08-19-2015, 09:58 AM
Lol hell no. Kobe's shit performance in game 1 was one of the main reasons the 76ers stole a game, aside from AI of course. Lakers sweep.

Lebron23
08-19-2015, 10:02 AM
I genuinely want to punch you in your face because you are so ****ing stupid.
In large part why LA was undefeated until the Finals was because of how dominant Kobe played. Him & Shaq just destroyed teams on route to the NBA finals.

Go watch his series against the Spurs that year.

Kobe
29.4 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.8 BPG, 47 FG%, 25 PER, 56 TS%

Iverson
32.9 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 6.1 APG, 2.4 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 39 FG%, 22.5 PER, 48 TS%

:rolleyes: Oh yeah, I guess Sam Cassell's ass was better than Kobe too that year.

It's unreal how underrated this man is on this forum.
Just sickening.

To answer the question; I think at max Kobe would be able to win 2 games.
There's no way he beats Shaq & Iverson though.


Iverson played better than Kobe in the 2001 NBA Finals.

imdaman99
08-19-2015, 10:02 AM
Lakers in 7 or 6 if Iverson goes off. Kobe is great but the 76ers have no one to guard Shaq, not old Mutumbo at least. Similarly, Lakers have no one to guard Kobe. Fox? Devean George? :oldlol: But Shaq would wear the 76ers out.

Bankaii
08-19-2015, 10:03 AM
To answer the question; I think at max Kobe would be able to win 2 games.
There's no way he beats Shaq & Iverson though.
The thread is about the Finals tho.
Kobe: 25/8/6 on 42%.
Iverson: 36/6/4 on 41%.
The only difference is Kobe had the MDE on his team getting the majority of the defensive attention, and AI had no legitimate offensive threat teammate. AI was CLEARLY better.

West-Side
08-19-2015, 10:10 AM
Iverson played better than Kobe in the 2001 NBA Finals.

Well he was absolutely outstanding in the first game, but I'm not entirely sure he was better. Sure, he scored more points.

Kobe
24.6 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 5.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 42 FG%, 50 TS%

Iverson
35.6 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 3.8 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 41 FG%, 49 TS%

AI was "clearly" better though.
Despite Kobe having a terrible first game, he still was more efficient from the field. Had 2.2 more rebounds a game, 2.0 more assists a game and 1.2 blocks a game.

I mean to be consistent, isn't this why so many of you think LeBron is better than Kobe?

Further more; imagine how badly you guys would crucify Kobe if he shots 41% on 49 TS% and had only 3.8 APG.

Ball hog anyone? Chucker?
That double standard is strong in this one.

West-Side
08-19-2015, 10:13 AM
You also should consider matchups.
Guys like McKie & Snow were far better defenders than George & Fox; so expecting Kobe to put up similar production is foolish.

He would have a field day against LA.
Snow in particular always gave Kobe a lot of problems defensively.
Despite being a small poing guard.

Kind of like Jordan always had trouble against Starks.

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 10:25 AM
Iverson played better than Kobe in the 2001 NBA Finals.

Agreed. Kobe was trash by comparison there. I, too, think that the Lakers would sweep and comfortable so, at that.

Dragonyeuw
08-19-2015, 10:47 AM
Shaq would have been the difference maker regardless. Whatever argument you want to make for who comes out on top between Kobe and Iverson in this reversal situation, there's no major edge there like the one Shaq has on Mutumbo, and any role player edge( if slightly in favor of sixers) isn't going to be as much a factor as Shaq in 2001.

aj1987
08-19-2015, 10:48 AM
I mean to be consistent, isn't this why so many of you think LeBron is better than Kobe?
Except, LeBron averages more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than Kobe. He's more efficient than Kobe as well.

JohnnySic
08-19-2015, 11:10 AM
That Sixers team had no scoring after Iverson. Replacing AI with Kobe doesn't solve that.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
08-19-2015, 11:19 AM
Kobe
24.6 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 5.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 42 FG%, 50 TS%

Iverson
35.6 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 3.8 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 41 FG%, 49 TS%

AI was "clearly" better though

He didn't just score more points. AI scored 11 more points a game on similar efficiency. They're pretty close in other statistical categories, so not sure why there's a debate? He was clearly better than Kobe that series.

ImKobe
08-19-2015, 11:22 AM
Kobe that year was easily the best player in the Playoffs considering what he averaged against the Western Conference (32/7/6 in 11 straight wins, around 10 ppg in 4th quarter average).

Who do the 01 Lakers have to defend Kobe?? Spurs had the best defense in the league and Kobe CRUSHED them, he was dunking on the twin towers like it was nothing, no one could stop him from getting to the rim at that point, the only game of the Playoffs Kobe wasn't on his game was Game 1 of the Finals...

If AI could win 1 game in the Finals with that cast, Kobe could do much more, possibly even win the series.

Kobe was a better offensive player than AI and was much better on the defensive end at that time...I don't see how he couldn't have won the series given he has a DPOY big, some decent role players and Larry Brown...

ImKobe
08-19-2015, 11:28 AM
He didn't just score more points. AI scored 11 more points a game on similar efficiency. They're pretty close in other statistical categories, so not sure why there's a debate? He was clearly better than Kobe that series.

:roll:


Kobe was HORRIBLE in the Game 1 loss while AI was at his best, but you look at Kobe's production in the next 4 games vs AI's

Kobe

27/9/6 on 44% shooting, 21 FGA, 20.9 GmSc

AI

33/6/3 on 39,7% shooting, 30.3 FGA, 16.9 GmSc

wow, AI must be a much better player than Kobe because he took 9 more shots to average 6 more points..

Kobe individually outplayed Iverson in 4 out of 5 games, better numbers all-around (scoring efficiency, rebounding, passing, defense)

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
08-19-2015, 11:33 AM
Kobe fans stay cherry-picking.

OK so we gotta remove Kobe's first 2 or 3 years, then 2005 and post 2013. Now look...Kobe GOAT!!

ImKobe
08-19-2015, 11:34 AM
Kobe fans stay cherry-picking.

OK so we gotta remove Kobe's first 2 or 3 years, then 2005 and post 2013. Now look...Kobe GOAT!!

Ok, so Kobe being the better player in 4 out of 5 games doesn't make him a better player throughout the series? Averages hide how horrible AI was his remaining 4 games (30 FGA to 3 assists a game :roll: )

RRR3
08-19-2015, 11:34 AM
Am I wrong or was Kobe guarding AI in game one, got lit the **** up, and then Lue had to be put on him?

Dragonyeuw
08-19-2015, 11:39 AM
Kobe was a better offensive player than AI and was much better on the defensive end at that time...I don't see how he couldn't have won the series given he has a DPOY big, some decent role players and Larry Brown...

The same defensive big that was having this happen to him....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vma7PlO6kFI

Kobe may or may not outplay A.I in 2001, the disparity would not be like what we see in the vid below.

ImKobe
08-19-2015, 11:39 AM
Am I wrong or was Kobe guarding AI in game one, got lit the **** up, and then Lue had to be put on him?

no one could stop AI in Game 1, they were double/triple-teaming him and he was still making them, Kobe has defended AI rather well in his career, even kept him scoreless for an entire half in 2000.

But scoring 48 on 18/41 shooting isn't that great to begin with.

Dragonyeuw
08-19-2015, 11:44 AM
Sigh... let's go on a limb and say that Kobe on the Sixers would have put up 35ppg against LA. Which, by the way, would be better than any finals performance in his career, but let's play devils advocate. Iverson is going to go off for 30+ too, so whatever numbers Kobe puts up is very likely to be neutralized by whatever Iverson produces. The role players aren't majorly in one team or the other's favor. So then....what is the main difference? The huge disparity in production at the center position.

sundizz
08-19-2015, 01:09 PM
Interesting question actually.

Eric Snow
Kobe Bryant
Aaron McKie
Tyrone Hill
Dikembe Mutombo

That'd actually be a pretty decent game. I'd say AI would have a tougher time going against the trio of Snow, Bryant, McKie with Mutombo in the back than he did against the Lakers.

Alternatively, Kobe would of just had his way with the Lakers defenders. Also, I think he is a bit better of a player with a big man than AI is (and Deke averaged like 17 and 12 or something that series). I think the Sixers could double Shaq more effectively since they have a significantly taller, stronger, better defender in Kobe on the wings.

It would be very interesting. Prolly still Lakers 4-2, but honestly could see it going the other way too. That year Kobe was at his absolute physical prime. He could of easily dropped 38+ ppg if he was given 100% green light for an entire series like AI was.

kennethgriffin
08-19-2015, 01:17 PM
easly

West-Side
08-19-2015, 01:21 PM
He didn't just score more points. AI scored 11 more points a game on similar efficiency. They're pretty close in other statistical categories, so not sure why there's a debate? He was clearly better than Kobe that series.

:wtf:

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 01:23 PM
Kobe fans stay cherry-picking.

OK so we gotta remove Kobe's first 2 or 3 years, then 2005 and post 2013. Now look...Kobe GOAT!!

It's rather pathetic isn't it?:lol
I'd want to do this with Lebron and Jordan and Shaq and see how their already staggering numbers somehow, some way, IMPROVE.

West-Side
08-19-2015, 01:23 PM
Interesting question actually.

Eric Snow
Kobe Bryant
Aaron McKie
Tyrone Hill
Dikembe Mutombo

That'd actually be a pretty decent game. I'd say AI would have a tougher time going against the trio of Snow, Bryant, McKie with Mutombo in the back than he did against the Lakers.

Alternatively, Kobe would of just had his way with the Lakers defenders. Also, I think he is a bit better of a player with a big man than AI is (and Deke averaged like 17 and 12 or something that series). I think the Sixers could double Shaq more effectively since they have a significantly taller, stronger, better defender in Kobe on the wings.

It would be very interesting. Prolly still Lakers 4-2, but honestly could see it going the other way too. That year Kobe was at his absolute physical prime. He could of easily dropped 38+ ppg if he was given 100% green light for an entire series like AI was.

Thank you, finally a poster who actually evaluates every-thing instead of these simpletons thinking it's as simple as taking AI's production and assuming he'd do the exact same thing playing with Shaquille and taking Kobe's production and assuming he'd struggle the same way against George & Fox as he did against Mutombo, Snow & McKie. :rolleyes:

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 01:24 PM
Am I wrong or was Kobe guarding AI in game one, got lit the **** up, and then Lue had to be put on him?He was. You're spot on here. Similar to the Gilbert Arenas game in 07 when Kobe asked to switch onto him and Arenas proceeded to put up 16 points on Kobe in a 5 minutes stretch, before taking a bow in front of the staples center crowd, having just annihilated the number one star on their team on his own turf.

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 01:27 PM
easly

Was going through some old threads and found a few hillsrious posts from your old days. Please revert to the days of old when you would make everyone fall down with laughter rather than the current trite Kobe shtick. You're one of the funniest posters on this site. As is that African poster who makes up his own analytical formulae and who's name escapes me at the moment, unfortunately.

kennethgriffin
08-19-2015, 01:29 PM
didnt kobe win a title with

- Derek Fisher
- Sasha Vukacic
- Luke Walton
- Lamar odom
- Pau gasol

- andrew bynum 6ppg off the bench




2001 sixers had the 6th man of the year. the defensive player of the year. and the coach of the year. with the best defensively assembled squad of role players

West-Side
08-19-2015, 01:42 PM
didnt kobe win a title with

- Derek Fisher
- Sasha Vukacic
- Luke Walton
- Lamar odom
- Pau gasol

- andrew bynum 6ppg off the bench




2001 sixers had the 6th man of the year. the defensive player of the year. and the coach of the year. with the best defensively assembled squad of role players






Yeah but LA was sooo "stacked".
The 2nd best player on LA during those two title runs is 0-20 in the playoffs without Kobe. Unless he won a playoff game with Chicago yet?? :oldlol:

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 01:46 PM
Yeah but LA was sooo "stacked".
The 2nd best player on LA during those two title runs is 0-20 in the playoffs without Kobe. Unless he won a playoff game with Chicago yet?? :oldlol:

And that player took Kobe from missing the playoffs and two consecutive first round embarrassments to the NBA title. He was there grabbing Kobe's bricks when the 40%fg career scorer in the finals inevitably choked in game 7 with a horrific and myopic 25%fg shooting performance.

SouBeachTalents
08-19-2015, 01:48 PM
Yeah but LA was sooo "stacked".
The 2nd best player on LA during those two title runs is 0-20 in the playoffs without Kobe. Unless he won a playoff game with Chicago yet?? :oldlol:

I don't think you actually watch basketball. To think '01 Spurs > '14 Spurs and to not know what happened in the playoffs 3 months ago would be pretty good evidence that you don't

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 01:49 PM
I don't think you actually watch basketball. To think '01 Spurs > '14 Spurs and to not know what happened in the playoffs 3 months ago would be pretty good evidence that you don't

Hint: he doesn't.

West-Side
08-19-2015, 01:50 PM
And that player took Kobe from missing the playoffs and two consecutive first round embarrassments to the NBA title. He was there grabbing Kobe's bricks when the 40%fg career scorer in the finals inevitably choked in game 7 with a horrific and myopic 25%fg shooting performance.

Typical response from you.
Retarded as usual.

Kobe won more playoffs game with garbage like Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm (plus Walton and Radmanovic) in two years than Pau has in his entire NBA career without Kobe Bryant.

Let that sink in.

West-Side
08-19-2015, 01:52 PM
I don't think you actually watch basketball. To think '01 Spurs > '14 Spurs and to not know what happened in the playoffs 3 months ago would be pretty good evidence that you don't

They were better.
They had a better defense and a prime Duncan.
The only reason they got swept by LA was because Lakers were like on a 15 game winning streak, Kobe/Shaq were playing out of their minds and Spurs were battling injuries.

I actually am old enough to have watched that series, maybe it's morons like you who probably were in their diapers in 2001 that should watch more basketball. Sounds like a typical response you'd get from some 14 year old kid who started watching the NBA in 2008. So no wonder you'd consider 2014 Spurs one of the greatest. :rolleyes:

iamgine
08-19-2015, 01:53 PM
Kobe would do worse than Iverson.

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 01:58 PM
Typical response from you.
Retarded as usual.

Kobe won more playoffs game with garbage like Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm (plus Walton and Radmanovic) in two years than Pau has in his entire NBA career without Kobe Bryant.

Let that sink in.

As hominems. Terrific as always but you haven't countered my argument nor are you able to rebute my claim.
Kobe lead the Lakers to 34 wins, then choked away a 3-1 1st round lead and had a single pathetic point in the second half of game 7 as the Lakers became only the 8th team in the history of the NBA to capitulate from that position in any series, and then took a step backwards and lost in 5 games the following year.

Gasol came, helped dominate the front court and not even a career 40%fg NBA finals scorer could mess up with an overwhelmingly dominant front court cleaning up his bricks.

Stay mad:cheers:

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 01:58 PM
Kobe would do worse than Iverson.
Of this, there can be no doubt :lebronamazed:

kennethgriffin
08-19-2015, 02:00 PM
Kobe would do worse than Iverson.


he did better than iverson with a worse team though


2001 sixers took 4 of the major NBA awards that year

ShawkFactory
08-19-2015, 02:11 PM
They were better.
They had a better defense and a prime Duncan.
The only reason they got swept by LA was because Lakers were like on a 15 game winning streak, Kobe/Shaq were playing out of their minds and Spurs were battling injuries.

I actually am old enough to have watched that series, maybe it's morons like you who probably were in their diapers in 2001 that should watch more basketball. Sounds like a typical response you'd get from some 14 year old kid who started watching the NBA in 2008. So no wonder you'd consider 2014 Spurs one of the greatest. :rolleyes:
But they were missing their second option. What was on the floor in against the Lakers in 2001 was not on the level of 2014.

Rooster
08-19-2015, 02:12 PM
in place of Iverson?

naturally, Iverson would be on the Lakers.

I mean, he still has a good big man in Mutombo to get all his Kobe assists.

so what do you guys think?

No because Shaq owned Mutombo but I don't think the Lakers will get past the Spurs with Iverson in place of Kobe.

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 02:13 PM
But they were missing their second option. What was on the floor in against the Lakers in 2001 was not on the level of 2014.

He has no clue what you're talking about because, as they Heat fan already stated, this guy wasn't actually watching basketball in 2001.

Rooster
08-19-2015, 02:16 PM
And that player took Kobe from missing the playoffs and two consecutive first round embarrassments to the NBA title. He was there grabbing Kobe's bricks when the 40%fg career scorer in the finals inevitably choked in game 7 with a horrific and myopic 25%fg shooting performance.

:facepalm Gasol glory came with the Lakers, not the other way around. Kobe was already HOF bound before Gasol came over.:rockon:

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 02:21 PM
:facepalm Gasol glory came with the Lakers, not the other way around. Kobe was already HOF bound before Gasol came over.:rockon:

Excellente! But like I said here was the choker before Gasol came:
Kobe lead the Lakers to 34 wins, then choked away a 3-1 1st round lead and had a single pathetic point in the second half of game 7 as the Lakers became only the 8th team in the history of the NBA to capitulate from that position in any series, and then took a step backwards and lost in 5 games the following year.

Gasol came, helped dominate the front court and not even a career 40%fg NBA finals scorer could mess up with an overwhelmingly dominant front court cleaning up his bricks

:lebronamazed:

West-Side
08-19-2015, 02:25 PM
As hominems. Terrific as always but you haven't countered my argument nor are you able to rebute my claim.
Kobe lead the Lakers to 34 wins, then choked away a 3-1 1st round lead and had a single pathetic point in the second half of game 7 as the Lakers became only the 8th team in the history of the NBA to capitulate from that position in any series, and then took a step backwards and lost in 5 games the following year.

Gasol came, helped dominate the front court and not even a career 40%fg NBA finals scorer could mess up with an overwhelmingly dominant front court cleaning up his bricks.

Stay mad:cheers:

Kobe scored like 24 1st half points in game 7 just to be down like 20 at halftime because his teammates shit the bed. He scored 50 in game 6 just so those bums could **** it up late in the game by not securing a defensive rebound when LA was up by 3 with like 3 seconds to play.

You keep saying I started watching basketball in 2007 yet you don't have a clue what you speak off.

Kobe from 2005-2007 with garbage = 4 wins in the playoffs.
Pau Gasol since he entered the league to 2014, without Kobe = 0-20.

West-Side
08-19-2015, 02:26 PM
Excellente! But like I said here was the choker before Gasol came:
Kobe lead the Lakers to 34 wins, then choked away a 3-1 1st round lead and had a single pathetic point in the second half of game 7 as the Lakers became only the 8th team in the history of the NBA to capitulate from that position in any series, and then took a step backwards and lost in 5 games the following year.

Gasol came, helped dominate the front court and not even a career 40%fg NBA finals scorer could mess up with an overwhelmingly dominant front court cleaning up his bricks

:lebronamazed:

You're a moron, that logic is so flawed.
That's like me saying; "Oh if Kobe came to Memphis for K.Brown and M.Gasol, Memphis would have been substantially better."

Dude you truly are mentally handicapped.

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 02:26 PM
Kobe scored like 24 1st half points in game 7 just to be down like 20 because his teammates shit the bed. He scored 50 in game 6 just so those bums will allow Phoenix to tie the game and send it to OT.

You keep saying I started watching basketball in 2007 yet you don't have a clue what you speak off.

Kobe from 2005-2007 with garbage = 4 wins in the playoffs.
Pau Gasol since he entered the league to 2014, without Kobe = 0-20.

Errr.. how about:

Gasol in 2015 alone has more playoff wins than Kobe from 2005-2007:lebronamazed:

Here it is again:
Kobe lead the Lakers to 34 wins, then choked away a 3-1 1st round lead and had a single pathetic point in the second half of game 7 as the Lakers became only the 8th team in the history of the NBA to capitulate from that position in any series, and then took a step backwards and lost in 5 games the following year.

Gasol came, helped dominate the front court and not even a career 40%fg NBA finals scorer could mess up with an overwhelmingly dominant front court cleaning up his bricks.

Stay mad:lebronamazed:

Bandito
08-19-2015, 02:27 PM
]Was going through some old threads[/B] and found a few hillsrious posts from your old days. Please revert to the days of old when you would make everyone fall down with laughter rather than the current trite Kobe shtick. You're one of the funniest posters on this site. As is that African poster who makes up his own analytical formulae and who's name escapes me at the moment, unfortunately.
Definition of rent free right here. What a hateful and pathetic member. Future neg.

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 02:29 PM
Definition of rent free right here. What a hateful and pathetic member. Future neg.

Oh no!! Not a....wait for it. ....a....NEG!!:eek:
Oh please young sir, puh-leaz don't give me a neg on some online forum:(
Hey numbuts, please go ahead and neg me with all 20 of your alts:rockon:

West-Side
08-19-2015, 02:30 PM
Errr.. how about:

Gasol in 2015 alone has more playoff wins than Kobe from 2005-2007:lebronamazed:

Here it is again:
Kobe lead the Lakers to 34 wins, then choked away a 3-1 1st round lead and had a single pathetic point in the second half of game 7 as the Lakers became only the 8th team in the history of the NBA to capitulate from that position in any series, and then took a step backwards and lost in 5 games the following year.

Gasol came, helped dominate the front court and not even a career 40%fg NBA finals scorer could mess up with an overwhelmingly dominant front court cleaning up his bricks.

Stay mad:lebronamazed:

You're just a troll.
Bulls without Pau made the playoffs in 2014; Lakers without Kobe wouldn't win 12 games in 2006 or 2007.

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 02:32 PM
You're just a troll.
Bulls without Pau made the playoffs in 2014; Lakers without Kobe wouldn't win 12 games in 2006 or 2007.

Beautiful hypothetical. I think Lebron would take that Lakers team to the WCF, since we are playing this game :rockon:
As it is, the only facts are the following:

Kobe lead the Lakers to 34 wins, then choked away a 3-1 1st round lead and had a single pathetic point in the second half of game 7 as the Lakers became only the 8th team in the history of the NBA to capitulate from that position in any series, and then took a step backwards and lost in 5 games the following year.

Gasol came, helped dominate the front court and not even a career 40%fg NBA finals scorer could mess up with an overwhelmingly dominant front court cleaning up his bricks.

Stay salty:lebronamazed:

Bandito
08-19-2015, 02:32 PM
Oh no!! Not a....wait for it. ....a....NEG!!:eek:
Oh please young sir, puh-leaz don't give me a neg on some online forum:(
Hey numbuts, please go ahead and neg me with all 20 of your alts:rockon:
So much butthurt and regret in this post. Double neg!!!!

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 02:33 PM
So much butthurt and regret in this post. Double neg!!!!

:coleman:

Rooster
08-19-2015, 02:38 PM
Excellente! But like I said here was the choker before Gasol came:
Kobe lead the Lakers to 34 wins, then choked away a 3-1 1st round lead and had a single pathetic point in the second half of game 7 as the Lakers became only the 8th team in the history of the NBA to capitulate from that position in any series, and then took a step backwards and lost in 5 games the following year.

Gasol came, helped dominate the front court and not even a career 40%fg NBA finals scorer could mess up with an overwhelmingly dominant front court cleaning up his bricks

:lebronamazed:

:facepalm :facepalm
So Kobe with 3 rings as a choker but Gasol without any playoff wins was a savior:rolleyes:

Rooster
08-19-2015, 02:40 PM
Beautiful hypothetical. I think Lebron would take that Lakers team to the WCF, since we are playing this game :rockon:
As it is, the only facts are the following:

Kobe lead the Lakers to 34 wins, then choked away a 3-1 1st round lead and had a single pathetic point in the second half of game 7 as the Lakers became only the 8th team in the history of the NBA to capitulate from that position in any series, and then took a step backwards and lost in 5 games the following year.

Gasol came, helped dominate the front court and not even a career 40%fg NBA finals scorer could mess up with an overwhelmingly dominant front court cleaning up his bricks.

Stay salty:lebronamazed:

Lakers were freefalling without Luke Walton :cry:

Did you even watched the Lakers all those years.

catch24
08-19-2015, 02:47 PM
:facepalm :facepalm
So Kobe with 3 rings as a choker but Gasol without any playoff wins was a savior:rolleyes:

Not sure if he's trying to rile up Kobe fans here, but yeah, feeny's comparison is pretty awful (and Pau Gasol is one of my favorite players).

LoneyROY7
08-19-2015, 04:01 PM
Iverson and Shaq would have been VICIOUS.

Mr Feeny
08-19-2015, 06:39 PM
Iverson and Shaq would have been VICIOUS.

Tasty. Mcgrady with Shaq would have been incredible. DURANT, more than anyone else, would have been magic with Shaq. Open jumpers all night long for the second best shooter in basketball and the best pure scorer in the last decade and a half :applause:

RRR3
08-19-2015, 06:42 PM
Not sure if he's trying to rile up Kobe fans here, but yeah, feeny's comparison is pretty awful (and Pau Gasol is one of my favorite players).
Of course he's trying to rile them up. This is just another pissing contest like all threads are these days.

JT123
08-19-2015, 07:19 PM
Oh no!! Not a....wait for it. ....a....NEG!!:eek:
Oh please young sir, puh-leaz don't give me a neg on some online forum:(
Hey numbuts, please go ahead and neg me with all 20 of your alts:rockon:
:roll: Feeny shittin all over these Kobetards

SamuraiSWISH
08-19-2015, 08:06 PM
Just thought of this the other day. Great minds. Anyway ...

2001 Kobe for 2001 Iverson, straight up?

Philly gets better. Kobe was putting up 28 - 29 ppg sharing the ball with Shaq. I could see 32 ppg on better efficiency, and being a true SG wouldn't have all the defensive mismatches on the perimeter that the 2001 Sixers had.

They get even better defensively with Kobe's ability, poise, versatility, and size compared to Iverson. Who really gambled for both better and worse in the passing lanes, and wasn't great on ball defender. Especially at his extremely undersized SG position.

Snow, and Raja Bell can focus defensively on PGs or relieving Kobe at times. With Bryant Philly gets a little better offensively.

But 2001 hometown Kobe on that Philly team, and it's inherent improvements still isn't enough to beat the 2001 Lakers with Shaq and Iverson in his place.

Prime_Shaq
08-19-2015, 10:15 PM
Shaq would still dominate and end up winning Finals MVP :confusedshrug: Easily

Papaya Petee
08-19-2015, 10:24 PM
Shaq would still dominate and end up winning Finals MVP :confusedshrug: Easily
This is the correct answer.

Kobe_6/8
08-19-2015, 10:37 PM
Whatever team has Shaq is the team that wins.

guy
08-19-2015, 11:23 PM
They do worse, might've not even made the finals. I highly doubt the Sixers get behind AI the way they did Kobe for that year and his talent advantages wouldn't have been enough to compensate for that.