Outsourcing/Offshoring: The Cost to America

[TripleA]

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/02/10/outsourcingoffshoring-cost-americas-economy-working-families/

I honestly think this is a major problem. Companies are moving plants to places
were they can pay their workers ridiculously low wages increasing their profit where the working class people before them lose their jobs. If I had any power which I don't the return of manufacturing jobs like in the 1900s will help decrease unemployment in the black community. Because since all the manufacturing jobs left places like Detroit. Teens have much more free time to to do bad things. What are your thoughts?

[HitandRun Reggie]

I'm sorry but returning these jobs to America won't help the black community one bit if there are hordes of illegals here waiting to do them for minimum wage

[TripleA]

I'm sorry but returning these jobs to America won't help the black community one bit if there are hordes of illegals here waiting to do them for minimum wage

Why is given that companies hire illegals? Is that not against the law. If it is not than I think it should.

[RidonKs]

this is primarily the result of developed countries pushing for free trade agreements designed along the lines of nafta, the first of what should properly be called investor rights treaties. they are virtually impossible to get out of, certainly without the help of the wto.

you are on the money though. the consequences of neoliberalism go on and on and on and on.....

[HitandRun Reggie]

Why is given that companies hire illegals? Is that not against the law. If it is not than I think it should.

It's against the law for them to be here in the first place, hence the term "illegals". But only a minimal effort is put forth to deport them.

[Thorpesaurous]

It is a huge problem. And there is more blame to go around than just corporate greed actually, although there's more than enough of that. The labor unions in this country have driven some of the companies away by driving up that gap in that cheap labor from abroad (see the $15 minimum wage stuff). And our country and individual states' tax situations don't always help, for example I produce in large part for Sikorsky Aircraft, maker of the Blackhawk Helicopter, amongst others, and it's located in Connecticut, one of the worst taxing states in the country, and the town is also a high tax town. They were just sold by United Technologies, the kind of conglomerate Military Industrial Complex that make for bad guys in Mr. Robot. They basically have their hands in all the flying death machines in the country.

Sikorsky was sold to Lockheed Martin, maker of the F16, another giant defense company. They make fixed wing craft (planes instead of helicopters), but use some the gearbox pieces from the helicopter, so it makes sense. But there's little chance they keep the company in CT after 5 or so years. The cost of keeping the business here alone is problematic. But that compounds because the cost driven up by the union in CT of the employees, in part to maintain those peoples' ability to live here, is a far cry from the cost of putting the business in Texas or Georgia. And that's in part only because they can't move a lot of the government contract work across the borders.


One thing I think these companies are short sighted on ... These guys are all profit profit profit. Max out profit. What move will maximize revenue. But by undercutting their employees, they've put out of work a ton of the market that would be looking to buy their product. If allll the jobs move beyond our borders to people making 5 bucks an hour, then who's going to be left to pay 50k for a new truck. Certainly not the people they're paying 5 bucks an hour wherever that's happening. This is an abstract perspective. Definitely a math point of view. Always look at the extremes of a problem. Zero and Infinity. But it is a big picture perspective that can throw everything out of whack, especially as commerce becomes increasingly global.

[UK2K]

Why is given that companies hire illegals? Is that not against the law. If it is not than I think it should.
It's against the law to hire illegals.

But nobody enforces it.


A person (including a group of persons, business, organization or local government) commits a federal felony when he:
assists an alien whom he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him to obtain employment,
encourages that alien to remain in the U.S., by referring him to an employer, by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

I know why we hire them. Because we can pay them nothing and they wont complain.

[CNNonceAgain]

"Big corporations using third world labour is wrong" he typed on his iPad, while wearing Nike sneakers and adjusting his zoo York cap, to an ever so fashionably crooked angle.

[TripleA]

"Big corporations using third world labour is wrong" he typed on his iPad, while wearing Nike sneakers and adjusting his zoo York cap, to an ever so fashionably crooked angle.

I don't have Ipad or Iphone.:lol
I was taking about effect the on US economy.

[CNNonceAgain]

Guarantee none of your personal possessions are American made. You're ignorant and a hypocrite. Stop making threads you retard.

[RidonKs]

"Big corporations using third world labour is wrong" he typed on his iPad, while wearing Nike sneakers and adjusting his zoo York cap, to an ever so fashionably crooked angle.
by this logic, a citizen can't criticize his government

"the government is acting against the interests of its citizens" said the fully nationalized citizen who reported for duty at 19 years of age and now works as an assistant teacher in the publicly subsidized school system to supplement his military pension.

[TripleA]

Guarantee none of your personal possessions are American made. You're ignorant and a hypocrite. Stop making threads you retard.

Why are such dick to me what did I do to you. Yeah and I do have personal possessions that are american made.

[CNNonceAgain]

by this logic, a citizen can't criticize his government

"the government is acting against the interests of its citizens" said the fully nationalized citizen who reported for duty at 19 years of age and now works as an assistant teacher in the publicly subsidized school system to supplement his military pension.
Citizenship: A circumstance of birth people have no control over
Commercial habits: Choices made by an individual


Yeah... pretty shit conflation, tbh...

[CNNonceAgain]

Why are such dick to me what did I do to you. Yeah and I do have personal possessions that are american made.
Because you're criticising companies for responding to market actions that YOU personally undertake. Its hypocritical and you are a particularly unintelligent child

[TripleA]

Because you're criticising companies for responding to market actions that YOU personally undertake. Its hypocritical and you are a particularly unintelligent child

I chose to to have factories leave America? Thanks for the info. If everything to buy is made outside the U.S how do you think a 17 yr old lower middle class kid supposed to boycott foreign made products.
I noticed you like to use insults. Like do you think that does anything make you look angry.
I don't lose sleep over you calling me retard behind your computer screen something you probably would not say to a person in real life.

[RidonKs]

Citizenship: A circumstance of birth people have no control over
Commercial habits: Choices made by an individual


Yeah... pretty shit conflation, tbh...
participating in the formalities of citizenship, and in particular taking advantage of government programming, is just as optional as your choices as a consumer.... which also happen to be enormously constrained by availability and popular consciousness

it may be a shit conflation, but it rebuts more than enough of your nonsense to leave me satisfied

[CNNonceAgain]

I chose to to have factories leave America? Thanks for the info. If everything to buy is made outside the U.S how do you think a 17 yr old lower middle class kid supposed to boycott foreign made products.
I noticed you like to use insults. Like do you think that does anything make you look angry.
I don't lose sleep over you calling me retard behind your computer screen something you probably would not say to a person in real life.
Uhhhh stop buying them? Its not hard, but you prefer you brands popular and the prices cheap, like everyone else, so just stop complaining about companies catering to your needs you fvckin moron. You can't afford American made? Then why the fvcking fvck do you want that to be the only option you fvcking moron!?!

I call people retard all the time, for instance I called your fat fgt dad a retard when he was fellating me last night. He said it helps him get off

[CNNonceAgain]

participating in the formalities of citizenship, and in particular taking advantage of government programming, is just as optional as your choices as a consumer.... which also happen to be enormously constrained by availability and popular consciousness

it may be a shit conflation, but it rebuts more than enough of your nonsense to leave me satisfied
By patronizing companies that engage in practices you find disagreeable, you create demand for more of those same practices.

By criticizing government practices you find disagreeable, you may not necessarily be changing anything, but you are at least not creating more of it.


You didn't rebut anything, but I wouldn't expect a partisan hack who actually thinks there is anything "neoliberal" (another term you leftists have bastardised over the years) about the momentum of western economies over the last two decades to know a damn thing about economics

[longtime lurker]

You can kiss manufacturing jobs good bye in North America they aren't returning. Now what the government should have done was close tax loopholes and use that money to invest in education and worker retraining. And yes I say this knowing it's a lot easier said than done.

[TripleA]

Uhhhh stop buying them? Its not hard, but you prefer you brands popular and the prices cheap, like everyone else, so just stop complaining about companies catering to your needs you fvckin moron. You can't afford American made? Then why the fvcking fvck do you want that to be the only option you fvcking moron!?!

I call people retard all the time, for instance I called your fat fgt dad a retard when he was fellating me last night. He said it helps him get off

No I do buy American made products but should I bike ****ing 70 miles to get a new backpack. You are a coward hiding behind your little screen calling people Fgts. Would say this if this was put on the newspaper with your name on it. No well than your coward. All you do is talk shit but why do care about what some guy says to take the time out your day to mass neg people using your 20 alts. All your candy-ass does is bitch and attack people who disagree with you. Your mean words hurt people :cry: Oh wait no they don't because people know you are a spineless asshole.

[RidonKs]

By patronizing companies that engage in practices you find disagreeable, you create demand for more of those same practices.

By criticizing government practices you find disagreeable, you may not necessarily be changing anything, but you are at least not creating more of it.


You didn't rebut anything, but I wouldn't expect a partisan hack who actually thinks there is anything "neoliberal" (another term you leftists have bastardised over the years) about the momentum of western economies over the last two decades to know a damn thing about economics
no not bastardized, used precisely the way it was intended. the fact that its implementation is ushering in global misery is i suppose unfortunate for you. personally i don't care what you call it one way or another, as long as you point out the causes and the effects. they are obvious in any case.

you are now using my analogy out of context.

my initial point, in case you hadn't noticed, was NOT that state citizenship and corporate patronage are the same thing. that you can point out a difference is like me distinguishing between a banana and a shoe. great.

my point was that an ad hominem attack based on useless hypocrisy doesn't say anything. instead it is usually the work of...? partisan hacks, that's right!

your post i responded to was retarded.

"if you don't like corporate america, stop drinking coca cola"

how about

"if you don't like pharmaceuticals, stop using advil for headaches"
"if you don't like global warming, ride your bike to work"
"if you don't like assault weapons, stop playing call of duty"

idiosyncratic hypocrisies are normal for human beings. they become even more typical for impassioned politico types. which is why religious fundamentalists and selfrighteous dogooders are more to making there's widely known.

[CNNonceAgain]

You are literally typing out emotionally charged paragraphs to the effect of "I don't care what you think!" You do care, that's why you are so clearly upset. That and because I've more or less objectively proven you are quite stupid...



:party:

[TripleA]

no not bastardized, used precisely the way it was intended. the fact that its implementation is ushering in global misery is i suppose unfortunate for you. personally i don't care what you call it one way or another, as long as you point out the causes and the effects. they are obvious in any case.

you are now using my analogy out of context.

my initial point, in case you hadn't noticed, was NOT that state citizenship and corporate patronage are the same thing. that you can point out a difference is like me distinguishing between a banana and a shoe. great.

my point was that an ad hominem attack based on useless hypocrisy doesn't say anything. instead it is usually the work of...? partisan hacks, that's right!

your post i responded to was retarded.

"if you don't like corporate america, stop drinking coca cola"

how about

"if you don't like pharmaceuticals, stop using advil for headaches"
"if you don't like global warming, ride your bike to work"
"if you don't like assault weapons, stop playing call of duty"

idiosyncratic hypocrisies are normal for human beings. they become even more typical for impassioned politico types. which is why religious fundamentalists and selfrighteous dogooders are more to making there's widely known.

I think a better analogy would be people complaining about illegal immigrants but buying food harvested by illegals.

[CNNonceAgain]

no not bastardized, used precisely the way it was intended. the fact that its implementation is ushering in global misery is i suppose unfortunate for you. personally i don't care what you call it one way or another, as long as you point out the causes and the effects. they are obvious in any case.

More regulations=Neoliberalism okay gotcha

[TripleA]

You are literally typing out emotionally charged paragraphs to the effect of "I don't care what you think!" You do care, that's why you are so clearly upset. That and because I've more or less objectively proven you are quite stupid...



:party:

Your still cowardly . :confusedshrug:
You say I am stupid but I think I am not.
What a condudrum

[CNNonceAgain]

coward: a person who is contemptibly lacking in the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things

Doesn't describe me in the slightest



stupid: lacking intelligence or common sense

Describes you to a fvckin tee cvnt



conundrum: a confusing and difficult problem or question

Doesn't describe this situation at all. Further demonstrating that you are in fact quite stupid

[TripleA]

Doesn't describe me in the slightest




Describes you to a fvckin tee cvnt




Doesn't describe this situation at all. Further demonstrating that you are in fact quite stupid




You can say I am stupid but I would disagree with you. I can call you coward using alts and hiding behind his comupter screen acting like a tough guy and you would disagree with me. :confusedshrug: Calling it how I see it.

[CNNonceAgain]

I am objectively not using salts, nor hiding

You are objectively stupid, as I have demonstrated numerous times today

[Giaodollo]

Doesn't describe me in the slightest




Describes you to a fvckin tee cvnt




Doesn't describe this situation at all. Further demonstrating that you are in fact quite stupid

😂😂😂😂😂 <lol emojis
Best knockdown of the month.

[RidonKs]

More regulations=Neoliberalism okay gotcha
that is the opposite of neoliberalism, you immaculate philistine -- to borrow from dresta

[poido123]

Happening all over australia too. Greedy business owners looking to extract every last dollar and to sell their souls in the process.


It's just wrong. It kills the vital family/social structure in the community and only helps perpetuate the issues of mental health and depression.

I am currently in the aviation industry and outsourcing is now about 3/4 of the ground support. I work directly for an airline and that could mean that my job will go from permanent work with outstanding flight concessions to being overworked, no flight concessions and casual work.


Outsourcing is wrong. If we as employees don't make a stand on this plague, we could be looking at entire workforces of casual workers who are overworked and no rights or stability.


Laws need to be in place to prevent these companies from undercutting everything. The world is already a stressful enough place to live in without job security.

[CNNonceAgain]

that is the opposite of neoliberalism, you immaculate philistine -- to borrow from dresta
I was being sardonic you dolt.

[CNNonceAgain]

Happening all over australia too. Greedy business owners looking to extract every last dollar and to sell their souls in the process.


It's just wrong. It kills the vital family/social structure in the community and only helps perpetuate the issues of mental health and depression.

I am currently in the aviation industry and outsourcing is now about 3/4 of the ground support. I work directly for an airline and that could mean that my job will go from permanent work with outstanding flight concessions to being overworked, no flight concessions and casual work.


Outsourcing is wrong. If we as employees don't make a stand on this plague, we could be looking at entire workforces of casual workers who are overworked and no rights or stability.


Laws need to be in place to prevent these companies from undercutting everything. The world is already a stressful enough place to live in without job security.


Or you could get into a line of work where you can't be replaced by a twelve year old Sri Lankan girl, instead of looking for daddy government to bend the world to make it easier for you at the expense of everyone else

[kNIOKAS]

A regular thread already exposing reetards :cheers:

[poido123]

Or you could get into a line of work where you can't be replaced by a twelve year old Sri Lankan girl, instead of looking for daddy government to bend the world to make it easier for you at the expense of everyone else


Not everyone is cut out for/talented enough to do jobs that you refer to?


I'm likely to work into head office once I've done 5 years in ground support, so my situation isn't bad at all. Some of those head office jobs are between 80-120k, which I'm more than qualified/likely to get.


I'm still a guy for the small man. Corporate business/guys running the show often overlook the value of having company staff as I have worked for a privatised company in aviation before my current position.

What I'm saying is, outsourcing has huge disadvantages. My previous company would overwork staff, have more accidents, and take some very large safety risks which jeopardise you and me who fly and that is scary.

If the difference between a company keeping it's own staff or outsourcing is the determining factor, I don't think they should be running a business. These outsourced companies often take safety risks in an area that you can't and that is totally unacceptable. A business solely motivated on the bottom dollar will Fck themselves in the ass eventually.

High turnover, staff don't give a shit and feel mistreated, safety issues. Reputation is huge in aviation. All these things will slowly bring the company down into low quality garbage.

[poido123]

Or you could get into a line of work where you can't be replaced by a twelve year old Sri Lankan girl, instead of looking for daddy government to bend the world to make it easier for you at the expense of everyone else


I'd love to see you do my job btw.

12 year old Sri Lankan girl cannot and does not do my job. If they do, we don't need to be rocket scientists to work out how effective that is. There is quite a lot of knowledge in my area outside of the bagroom, load sheets, dangerous goods, turnover and understanding of plane, about 15 modules on airport safety and procedures, and a lot more I haven't mentioned.


This is usually a typical oversight of a professional pen pusher so I won't take you seriously since you give zero credit to what I know :rolleyes: I have a degree too before you go there...

[poido123]

A regular thread already exposing reetards :cheers:


Aren't you the retard who didn't honor a bet?

[CNNonceAgain]

I'd love to see you do my job btw.

12 year old Sri Lankan girl cannot and does not do my job. If they do, we don't need to be rocket scientists to work out how effective that is. There is quite a lot of knowledge in my area outside of the bagroom, load sheets, dangerous goods, turnover and understanding of plane, about 15 modules on airport safety and procedures, and a lot more I haven't mentioned.


This is usually a typical oversight of a professional pen pusher so I won't take you seriously since you give zero credit to what I know :rolleyes: I have a degree too before you go there...

You have a degree, yet choose to work in a field where you can be replaced by an eight year old Pakistani boy...

[kNIOKAS]

Aren't you the retard who didn't honor a bet?
Uhh aren't you a retard who's info dated?

[poido123]

You have a degree, yet choose to work in a field where you can be replaced by an eight year old Pakistani boy...


Do you believe that or are you looking for a rise?

I chose a degree which I completed but then realised wasn't my passion and job growth went sour once I graduated..

I'm happy where I am. My company was voted number 1 most desirable job in australia in recent study. My job has excellent pay structure and high opportunity to grow.

What do you do may I ask? Desk job?

[poido123]

Uhh aren't you a retard who's info dated?


My point still stands.

Who does that?

[kNIOKAS]

My point still stands.

Who does that?
Ehh just let it go man.


Have fun talking CNN into something

[CNNonceAgain]

"I love my job and am paid generously for it"
"My employers are evil greedy bastards who are borderline criminals"

Fvcking pick one trent

[poido123]

"I love my job and am paid generously for it"
"My employers are evil greedy bastards who are borderline criminals"

Fvcking pick one trent


Can't I be well paid and worried about the status of future employees who won't have the same conditions that I have ATM?


It will change, but hasn't changed yet. Our higher ups have thrown the dirty outsourcing word out there though.

[97 bulls]

Or you could get into a line of work where you can't be replaced by a twelve year old Sri Lankan girl, instead of looking for daddy government to bend the world to make it easier for you at the expense of everyone else
Get yoir head out of your ass. What happens when there aren't any jobs left? What are we gonna have 5 million brain surgeons in the US? Can you even grasp the concept if economics?

To answer the question, this is a free market. I have no problem with a company like Nike taking their factories wherever they want. But we should tax the **** out of them. Make it almost impossible for them to sale sneakers over here.

What companies like Nike are doing is tantamount to welfare. They cant make the miney they make unless other companies are willing to pay their employees a decent wage in order to buy a pair of $150 dollar shoes.

Truth be told, everything is outscored today.