Prime Rose vs current Westbrook 1-on-1

[LoneyROY7]

Would be an insane match-up.

I wanna give prime Rose the edge because his moves were more refined and controlled, but Westbrook's intensity and aggression would be very tough to overcome in a 1-on-1 environment.

The two most athletic PGs in the history of the NBA going HEAD-TO-HEAD.

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/russell-westbrook-thunderous-slam-b.gif

vs.

http://media.giphy.com/media/12JxGSKb0vvMLC/giphy.gif

Who. You. Got?

[TripleA]

Westbrook brick a lot of layups for some reason. So I take rose.

[GIF REACTION]

Demarcus Cousins interrupts the match and hits both of them with a steel chair.

FLEX.

[RidonKs]

westbrook def dominates 1v1. too much hustle, drose couldn't keep up

tho an exception is that rose is better with his back to the basket...

[Prime_Shaq]

Westbrook is a better defender so I might take him over Rose. Tough call though, Prime Rose is one of my favourite players

[sundizz]

That Westbrook gif is whack. The most impressive part of that sequence was his insane explosion to get there....under selling him a lot with that cut off.

That being said, Westbrook has more fire. He misses a lot of shots though. It'd depend what they played to.

If it is to 11, I got Rose 11-8.

If it is to 21, I got Westbrook 21-16. Westbrook is kinda like Shaq...he'll just wear you down with his physical nature/aggressiveness.

[JohnMax]

Westbrook has a slow first step and can only get by Rose if he has a runstart from near halfcourt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H89XIF_MjDY&t=3m25s

[ShawkFactory]

Westbrook is too tenacious. He'd win it mentally.

Even if Rose is quicker and would seem to be a better 1-on-1 player. He'd bitch out.

[Pointguard]

That Westbrook gif is whack. The most impressive part of that sequence was his insane explosion to get there....under selling him a lot with that cut off.

That being said, Westbrook has more fire. He misses a lot of shots though. It'd depend what they played to.

If it is to 11, I got Rose 11-8.

If it is to 21, I got Westbrook 21-16. Westbrook is kinda like Shaq...he'll just wear you down with his physical nature/aggressiveness.
His physical nature? Is he a vampire? Aggressiveness is about equal with all of the top PG's. Rose played for a control freak that tempered Rose a whole lot, but he stayed in attack mode in 2011. Kyrie/young Paul and Rose all could play aggressive the whole game if they were unleashed. Aggression can be overrated as that little guy in Houston that makes it a point to harass Westbrook, stays aggressive and he's not beating anybody 1 on 1.

Rose is bigger than Westbrook. Rose was the only player to wear out Curry and this was the first day Rose was off of a minutes restriction. Westbrook has never guarded Rose even in the final four when Westbrook was defensive player of his conference. Rose averaged 37mpg his first three years Westbrook barely averaged 35mpg in his most played per game year. And Rose team played a more grueling type of game in which teams barely ran on them (the guards got back) and teams really focused on Rose. Similar to Westbrook this year but OKC, didn't play defense like the Bulls did.

Rose also rarely used picks to help himself to get open as well. Rose is a bit more used to playing one on two. Endurance wise, the Bulls flipped more games in the fourth quarter than any other team and finished the season very strong. I thought Westbrook got tired at the end of this last season. So I wouldn't say he's the type to wear Rose out. Rose is a bit more used to banging and bigger players than Westbrook is. Rose prevented Wade from playing his power game on him. Wade bullies shooting guards. Westbrook's strength isn't going to be a problem for Rose.

[Cocaine80s]

His physical nature? Is he a vampire? Aggressiveness is about equal with all of the top PG's. Rose played for a control freak that tempered Rose a whole lot, but he stayed in attack mode in 2011. Kyrie/young Paul and Rose all could play aggressive the whole game if they were unleashed. Aggression can be overrated as that little guy in Houston that makes it a point to harass Westbrook, stays aggressive and he's not beating anybody 1 on 1.

Rose is bigger than Westbrook. Rose was the only player to wear out Curry and this was the first day Rose was off of a minutes restriction. Westbrook has never guarded Rose even in the final four when Westbrook was defensive player of his conference. Rose averaged 37mpg his first three years Westbrook barely averaged 35mpg in his most played per game year. And Rose team played a more grueling type of game in which teams barely ran on them (the guards got back) and teams really focused on Rose. Similar to Westbrook this year but OKC, didn't play defense like the Bulls did.

Rose also rarely used picks to help himself to get open as well. Rose is a bit more used to playing one on two. Endurance wise, the Bulls flipped more games in the fourth quarter than any other team and finished the season very strong. I thought Westbrook got tired at the end of this last season. So I wouldn't say he's the type to wear Rose out. Rose is a bit more used to banging and bigger players than Westbrook is. Rose prevented Wade from playing his power game on him. Wade bullies shooting guards. Westbrook's strength isn't going to be a problem for Rose.
Westbrook is bigger than Rose

Also Delly also defended Curry well

[Angel Face]

Rose didn't even reach his prime due to injuries. If you mean 2011 MVP Rose. I'll take him over Westbrook in 1 on 1 game.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Westbrook is bigger than Rose

Also Delly also defended Curry well

Delly only defended Curry well until he wasn't allowed to drink coffee anymore. I'm telling you, caffeine is kinda a PED for hustle guys like Delly having to play starter minutes like that.

[dannywpt]

Westbrook. Too much of a beast.

[nathanjizzle]

A fairer match up would be MVP Rose vs 92' Jordan.

[JohnnySic]

Westbrook is bigger than Rose

Also Delly also defended Curry well

Doesn't look it in this pic. Perspective?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/79/b0/d4/79b0d40bcb91f927fd0809a3ea4b3565.jpg

[stevieming]

I think the average fan gets taken in by a players demeanor of how strong they are with displays of aggression and attitude...

Don't' get me wrong Westbrook is no weakling, but he ain't bullying Rose....

Rose is really strong, some of his layups and shot are pure upper body strength, and Westbrook will not be able to post on him.

I would take Prime Rose against Westbrook...

[AintNoSunshine]

I will prolly take DRose in a game of one on one

[Uncle Drew]

I'd go with prime Jalen.

[The_Yearning]

Westbrook is too much of a savage in the game of basketball. Rose wouldn't even take the challenge if I'm being honest.

[West-Side]

Westbrook is the better defender, so him.

[RidonKs]

Doesn't look it in this pic. Perspective?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/79/b0/d4/79b0d40bcb91f927fd0809a3ea4b3565.jpg
old ass pic, wb got bigger

[Pointguard]

Westbrook is bigger than Rose

Also Delly also defended Curry well
I never said anything about defending Curry well. I said wore him down. Biiiig difference.

Rose build is obviously more barrel chested. He has bigger calves and is constantly initiating contact with PF's and it doesn't affect his shot. Rose plays a more physical game.

[imdaman99]

If it's game 11, Westbrook wins 11-9
If it's game 16, Westbrook wins 16-13
If it's game 21, Westbrook wins 21-15

He will wear Rose down. Westbrook never tires.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

If it's game 11, Westbrook wins 11-9
If it's game 16, Westbrook wins 16-13
If it's game 21, Westbrook wins 21-15

He will wear Rose down. Westbrook never tires.

Agreed and as another poster above said, 2011 MVP Rose wasn't really his peak. I think he had room to improve but injuries hampered us a chance at seeing peak Rose who I believe could have averaged 25/4/7-8 for a few years in a row.

Westbrook is an absolute freak of nature at the PG position. He's like the modern day Big O.

[bobopenguin]

u guys forgot how good rose was in his mvp year?
:facepalm

[Pointguard]

u guys forgot how good rose was in his mvp year?
:facepalm
Actually, I think they have never played one on one in their lives. They are actually talking about wearing out a professional player in 21 point game? Never mentioning skill or anything else. I can see never playing organized ball, but not having played 1 on 1 is really weird, but ish has them.

[RRR3]

WB

[SugarHill]

u guys forgot how good rose was in his mvp year?
:facepalm
Always felt he was overrated even in 2011. His legacy just grew since then as now people see him in an almost mythical light. Westbrook is a better player than him in almost all aspects which is not a fault of Rose. His true prime was robbed from him. Forget Westbrook now, I believe Westbrook back in 2011 was basically just as good as Rose.

[stevieming]

If it's game 11, Westbrook wins 11-9
If it's game 16, Westbrook wins 16-13
If it's game 21, Westbrook wins 21-15

He will wear Rose down. Westbrook never tires.

nonsense, both are professional ballers, neither will get tired to 11, 16 or 21...

I don't think fatigue will come into it on one game of one to one...

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Always felt he was overrated even in 2011. His legacy just grew since then as now people see him in an almost mythical light. Westbrook is a better player than him in almost all aspects which is not a fault of Rose. His true prime was robbed from him. Forget Westbrook now, I believe Westbrook back in 2011 was basically just as good as Rose.

Rose is still my favorite player in the league today but this... is really true.

[swagga]

nonsense, both are professional ballers, neither will get tired to 11, 16 or 21...

I don't think fatigue will come into it on one game of one to one...

1v1 is all about defense and size/power. It consumes an insane amount of energy compared to team ball.

[ralph_i_el]

I give it to Rose. Better shooter, more controlled. Russ is comparable to Rose because of his impact on defense, in transition, and rebounding....but that doesn't matter as much in 1 on 1

[BIG FURB]

1v1 is all about defense and size/power. It consumes an insane amount of energy compared to team ball.

Yeah, but in what world does Russ have more size/power than Rose?

[Pointguard]

Yeah, but in what world does Russ have more size/power than Rose?
Well if you hate a guy hard enough you can shrink him and make a reverse universe where a smaller guy can have more size and power. Its in the new twilight zone movie.

Don't mention things like moves, touch around the basket, skill shots, handle, agility, etc. Once your hater skills bump up, Big Furb, your imagination skills can make up craziness, and ignore the important things too.

They aren't trying to make sense. Just grasping for things.

[jayfan]

Always felt he was overrated even in 2011. His legacy just grew since then as now people see him in an almost mythical light. Westbrook is a better player than him in almost all aspects which is not a fault of Rose. His true prime was robbed from him. Forget Westbrook now, I believe Westbrook back in 2011 was basically just as good as Rose.

1. Can't agree at all.

2. And are you saying that 2011 Westbrook was as good as 2011 Rose??

:biggums:




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[swagga]

I give it to Rose. Better shooter, more controlled. Russ is comparable to Rose because of his impact on defense, in transition, and rebounding....but that doesn't matter as much in 1 on 1

midrange dominates 1v1 and westbrook got a money midrange J ... so not sure about this one.

rose is more controlled but 1v1 is anything but control, it's more about overpowering people.

imo westbrook's man defense and midrange J combined with his stamina wins him this matchup.

[Pointguard]

midrange dominates 1v1 and westbrook got a money midrange J ... so not sure about this one.

rose is more controlled but 1v1 is anything but control, it's more about overpowering people.

imo westbrook's man defense and midrange J combined with his stamina wins him this matchup.
I've seen Kyrie, Curry and Paul all have monster games on Westbrook. More than 32 points. I don't recall one monster game on a healthy Rose by a top point guard. Rose has done a shut down on all of them, including Wade who is bigger and stronger than anybody on Westbrook's resume. And Rose in general played more minutes in the regular season and playoffs than Westbrook - Rose once played 45 min per game in his first playoffs. So this stamina thing is crazy.

Midrange J won't be a factor at all because Rose can go wherever he wants with the ball and has no problem whatsoever finishing over centers.

[imdaman99]

:lol Keep writing paragraphs. (Yes, the irony as I write a couple of paragraphs :oldlol: ) Westbrook would dominate Rose because he is mentally stronger as well. Did Rose get shut down by Lebron? Yes. See what I did there? Did Lebron shut down Westbrook? NO, he tried to cover him for a few plays in the Finals but Westbrook was still on his way to 40+ points. Rose had plenty of trouble finishing over Lebron, thanks for playing :oldlol:

Rose stans go overboard. These guys are in the best shape of their lives but to act like a 1 on 1 game where they have to give it their all every play won't affect their stamina? :roll: Team ball takes a lot less out of you because the ball is spread out and they aren't asked to create every play.

[yeaaaman]

:lol Keep writing paragraphs. (Yes, the irony as I write a couple of paragraphs :oldlol: ) Westbrook would dominate Rose because he is mentally stronger as well. Did Rose get shut down by Lebron? Yes. See what I did there? Did Lebron shut down Westbrook? NO, he tried to cover him for a few plays in the Finals but Westbrook was still on his way to 40+ points. Rose had plenty of trouble finishing over Lebron, thanks for playing :oldlol:

Rose stans go overboard. These guys are in the best shape of their lives but to act like a 1 on 1 game where they have to give it their all every play won't affect their stamina? :roll: Team ball takes a lot less out of you because the ball is spread out and they aren't asked to create every play.

Why is Westbrook mentally stronger? Did you not see his breakdown with Craig Segar? The guy was literally about to cry, over being asked if he had a disagreement during the game. Is that really Mentally stronger?

If anything he is mentally weak, he allows his emotions to get the best of him, it clearly affects his judgement on the court. That is one of the biggest things people talk about, his IQ. You can just as easily flip the conversation.

He's great, I don't really have an opinion, but is Westbrook to be that much better than Rose, that if someone thinks Rose will win they are a stan?

[Pointguard]

:lol Keep writing paragraphs. (Yes, the irony as I write a couple of paragraphs :oldlol: ) Westbrook would dominate Rose because he is mentally stronger as well. Did Rose get shut down by Lebron? Yes. See what I did there? Did Lebron shut down Westbrook? NO, he tried to cover him for a few plays in the Finals but Westbrook was still on his way to 40+ points. Rose had plenty of trouble finishing over Lebron, thanks for playing :oldlol:

Rose stans go overboard. These guys are in the best shape of their lives but to act like a 1 on 1 game where they have to give it their all every play won't affect their stamina? :roll: Team ball takes a lot less out of you because the ball is spread out and they aren't asked to create every play.
Where do you live in NY??? You have apparently never seen the one on one tournaments here? I rarely ever recalled anyone, who was familiar with the format in the tournaments getting worn out or asking to postpone their third game in a day. And they are putting up at least $500 of their own money on the side most of the time.

They threw the kitchen sink at Rose as it was a whole team effort. It would be incredibly stupid to throw the kitchen sink at Westbrook, wouldn't you say? The scouting report was focused on another player. That's why Rose minutes in those years were more strenuous than Westbrooks, never mind he was playing for Thibes and playing more minutes than Westbrook ever has. Stamina wise, Rose is more proven. But its a mute point as its not a real factor unless the game is up in the 60's.

[Pointguard]

Rose stans go overboard. These guys are in the best shape of their lives but to act like a 1 on 1 game where they have to give it their all every play won't affect their stamina? :roll: Team ball takes a lot less out of you because the ball is spread out and they aren't asked to create every play.
Since you have no clue about one on one games the better the players the shorter the game. Suggesting that Rose and Westbrook would tire out in a 20 minute game is absurd. Its not like you playing with your friends where it takes two hours to finish a 10 point game on the garbage can.

[KG215]

I've seen Kyrie, Curry and Paul all have monster games on Westbrook. More than 32 points. I don't recall one monster game on a healthy Rose by a top point guard. Rose has done a shut down on all of them, including Wade who is bigger and stronger than anybody on Westbrook's resume. And Rose in general played more minutes in the regular season and playoffs than Westbrook - Rose once played 45 min per game in his first playoffs. So this stamina thing is crazy.

Midrange J won't be a factor at all because Rose can go wherever he wants with the ball and has no problem whatsoever finishing over centers.
:wtf:

I mean yeah, sure, I guess if you're only counting monster games where the opposing PG scored 32+ points and ignoring everything else. I'm sure I could weed through BBR's H2H machine and find plenty of games where an opposing PG had a pretty damn good game against Rose, but that's just a ridiculous and incredibly biased comment to make -- it's biased because you're using setting criteria to fit an agenda and using something as arbitrary as 32 points (and 32 points only and no other statistic) to denote a "monster game" against either player.

[Cocaine80s]

:wtf:

I mean yeah, sure, I guess if you're only counting monster games where the opposing PG scored 32+ points and ignoring everything else. I'm sure I could weed through BBR's H2H machine and find plenty of games where an opposing PG had a pretty damn good game against Rose, but that's just a ridiculous and incredibly biased comment to make -- it's biased because you're using setting criteria to fit an agenda and using something as arbitrary as 32 points (and 32 points only and no other statistic) to denote a "monster game" against either player.
Dude tryna act like Rose is some lockdown defender when he got his shit pushed in by Matthew Dellevedova in a ****ing elimination game

[Cocaine80s]

Doesn't look it in this pic. Perspective?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/79/b0/d4/79b0d40bcb91f927fd0809a3ea4b3565.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/k1kT9T0.png
http://i.imgur.com/bxNaR7f.png

[Pointguard]

:wtf:

I mean yeah, sure, I guess if you're only counting monster games where the opposing PG scored 32+ points and ignoring everything else. I'm sure I could weed through BBR's H2H machine and find plenty of games where an opposing PG had a pretty damn good game against Rose, but that's just a ridiculous and incredibly biased comment to make -- it's biased because you're using setting criteria to fit an agenda and using something as arbitrary as 32 points (and 32 points only and no other statistic) to denote a "monster game" against either player.
You are not new to the board and I am surprised this is the first time you seen me make the statement here or on other boards. In 2011, Rose dominated the elite PG's like Chicago dominated the elite after Dec 1st. They all got a good taste of Rose defense, shot poorly, didn't get much assist, blocked bad and shot just above 30% against him. I think lesser guards might have had good games against him but the elite were nearly shut out that year. Look it up. Ironically, Westbrook might have had the best game - it was the first game of the year, but after that Rose got all of them except Paul who was injured during their matchups. Rose got him next year.

Flashback http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6224507&postcount=122

[Pointguard]

Dude tryna act like Rose is some lockdown defender when he got his shit pushed in by Matthew Dellevedova in a ****ing elimination game
:lol, do you come to the board high? Rose didn't have his wind back. He couldn't play back to back games well, couldn't do his favorite move or favorite shot since coming back three weeks prior.

[Legends66NBA7]

Westbrook.

[stalkerforlife]

Rose wins 1 on 1.

Rose was THAT good.

[stevieming]

1v1 is all about defense and size/power. It consumes an insane amount of energy compared to team ball.

dude, one game...one game....and it would probably be over in 10-15 minutes the way these guys score.....both guys could probably score 4 to 5 buckets straights each time they get the ball....it's not like the average ballers needing 30 plus minutes taking millions of shots to get to 21...

[BIG FURB]

http://i.imgur.com/k1kT9T0.png
http://i.imgur.com/bxNaR7f.png

Thanks for this, it shows that Rose had more muscle mass (4 lbs heavier with less body fat), has a longer wing span and a 3.5" higher vert. It's a good thing they didn't show what these guys were benching, i'm sure it wouldn't look good for Russ.

[Pointguard]

:wtf:

I mean yeah, sure, I guess if you're only counting monster games where the opposing PG scored 32+ points and ignoring everything else. I'm sure I could weed through BBR's H2H machine and find plenty of games where an opposing PG had a pretty damn good game against Rose, but that's just a ridiculous and incredibly biased comment to make -- it's biased because you're using setting criteria to fit an agenda and using something as arbitrary as 32 points (and 32 points only and no other statistic) to denote a "monster game" against either player.
What is ridiculous and incredible is that you didn't do your homework.

Since you didn't come back with anything I will help you out. I see that Paul did play Rose that year. He shot 3 for 10 in their one matchup. The other two elite guards were D Will and Nash at the time. Dwill and Nash played two games against Rose each 24% and 28% were their shooting percentages. Nash missed all 7 of his 3 pointers. Deron, all six of his 3 pointers.

2nd tier guards Rondo never scored more than 14 points in 5 games but did have 19 assist one game early in the year. Rose was very close to doubling Rondo's point production every game. He always had trouble with Rose.

Westbrook shot 7 for 18 against Rose for 15 points in their second game. He had the one big scoring game against Rose - the 28 point game* I mentioned above. Unlike the other guards mentioned here, Russell Westbrook did not guard Rose and that is the general rule even in college. And Rose was wearing out the other guards. *Westbrook not guarding Rose is worth noting because he's the worst shooter of all the guys mentioned here in 2011.

Tyreke had 17 points shooting 35% against Rose. Missed all of his 3 pointers (2?). Tony Parker didn't have bad shooting games but was thoroughly smashed by Rose in both games 33 to 21 in the first game and 42 to 26 in both games. No three pointers from Tyreke or Tony Parker.

All of the big games against Rose (Westbrook and Rondo's assist game) happened practically in the first month when the point guard Rose had to adjust to new teammates, injuries, new coach, new system and learn the many new starting line-ups.

The team had the best perimeter defense where you get the least amount of help. I think Chris Paul was the only one who got off a three pointer as well.

[Pointguard]

Thanks for this, it shows that Rose had more muscle mass (4 lbs heavier with less body fat), has a longer wing span and a 3.5" higher vert. It's a good thing they didn't show what these guys were benching, i'm sure it wouldn't look good for Russ.

True...

[swagga]

http://i.imgur.com/k1kT9T0.png
http://i.imgur.com/bxNaR7f.png

lol 4-5% bodyfat .. there is no way that is even remotely possible. 5-6% is for in competition bodybuilders and they can't do cardio at that low bodyfat. More like 10-15, which is excellent for explosion sports.

this shit proves nothing.

[Cocaine80s]

Thanks for this, it shows that Rose had more muscle mass (4 lbs heavier with less body fat), has a longer wing span and a 3.5" higher vert. It's a good thing they didn't show what these guys were benching, i'm sure it wouldn't look good for Russ.
Yea and Westbrook is an inch taller with a 1.5" higher standing reach

[Pointguard]

lol 4-5% bodyfat .. there is no way that is even remotely possible. 5-6% is for in competition bodybuilders and they can't do cardio at that low bodyfat. More like 10-15, which is excellent for explosion sports.

this shit proves nothing.
At first I thought it was really low but after researching its about right. Rose and Brook were teenagers and most PG's are around 6. 3 is unsafe and that's where Draftexpress pretty much has its limits.
http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/bodyfatpercentage.html

[BIG FURB]

Yea and Westbrook is an inch taller with a 1.5" higher standing reach

Yes, we saw what was highlighted. I chose to point out the things that for whatever reason weren't highlighted, you're welcome

[Cocaine80s]

Yes, we saw what was highlighted. I chose to point out the things that for whatever reason weren't highlighted, you're welcome
standing reach wasnt highlighted, you're welcome.

[LoneyROY7]

Strong discussion gentlemen. :applause: