whats the first thing that comes to mind when you read this

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe Bryant - 1 mvp

shaquille O'neal - 1 mvp

oscar Robertson - 1 mvp

hakeem Olajuwon - 1 mvp

Julius Erving - 1 mvp

Bob Cousy - 1 mvp

Kevin Garnett - 1 mvp

Barry Sanders - 1 mvp

Emmitt Smith - 1 mvp

John Elway - 1 mvp

Lawrence Taylor - 1 mvp

Maurice richard - 1 mvp

Babe Ruth - 1 mvp

Ty Cobb - 1 mvp

Tris Speaker - 1 mvp

Ricky Henderson - 1 mvp

Jaromir Jagr - 1 mvp

Joe Sakic - 1 mvp

Jerry West - 0 mvps

Elgin Baylor - 0 mvps

John Havlicek - 0 mvps

John Stockton - 0 mvps

Jason Kidd - 0 mvps

George Mikan - 0 mvps

Isiah Thomas - 0 mvps

Derrick Jeter - 0 mvps

Honas Wagner - 0 mvps

Mel Ott - 0 mvps

Steve Yzerman - 0 mvps

Ray Bourgue - 0 mvps

Paul Coffee - 0 mvps










http://sforsports.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/nash_0506mvp_index1.jpg


Steve Nash - 2 time mvp ( 0 finals games )




http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tumblr_mmcpcc9vxY1qa5y2jo1_500.jpg


Lebron James - 4 time mvp ( most finals losses by an mvp winner )



http://sportsranks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/1.-Manning.jpg


Peyton Manning - 4 time mvp ( worst 1st round playoff record of all time )


http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/game-on/2010/09/14/barrybondsx-large.jpg


Barry Bonds - 7 time mvp ( 0 rings, caught cheating )

[warriorfan]

Barry Bonds never got caught cheating

[kennethgriffin]

not to mention my idol...



Ken Griffey Jr - 1 mvp


god knows he deserved more than that fat headed roid user

[stalkerforlife]

MVP award means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Kobe is better than Bran and that's not even questionable.

Kobe is better than Nash and that's not even questionable.

Kobe is the 3rd best player of all time and I bet a bunch of players have more MVP awards than him.

[kennethgriffin]

Barry Bonds never got caught cheating


tell that to the hall of fame voters


:oldlol:

[Lebron23]

Chris Paul should have been MVP.

[J Shuttlesworth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DggAXSv53Qc

[warriorfan]

And you forgot

Chef Curry - 1 Time MVP

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/Stephen-Curry-goes-up-and-over-Evan-Turner.-Howard-Smith-USA-TODAY-Sports.jpg

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site568/2014/0414/20140414__warriors~2_300.JPG

http://s13.postimg.org/5wjoye6zb/stephen_curryjump.jpg

http://gothamsn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/stephen-curry.jpg

http://www.geeksandcleats.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/stephen-curry-warriors-geeksandcleats.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

And you forgot

Chef Curry - 1 Time MVP

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/Stephen-Curry-goes-up-and-over-Evan-Turner.-Howard-Smith-USA-TODAY-Sports.jpg

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site568/2014/0414/20140414__warriors~2_300.JPG

http://s13.postimg.org/5wjoye6zb/stephen_curryjump.jpg

http://gothamsn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/stephen-curry.jpg

http://www.geeksandcleats.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/stephen-curry-warriors-geeksandcleats.jpg


i dont really see how curry could be part of the "should have more" or "should have less" pool

[I<3NBA]

same thing that comes to my mind when i read this

Kareem Abdul Jabbar 5 MVPs
Michael Jordan 5 MVPs
Wilt Chamberlain 4 MVPs
Bill Russel 4 MVPs
Lebron James 4 MVPs
Magic Johnson 3 MVPs
Larry Bird 3 MVPs
Moses Malone 3 MVPs
Tim Duncan 2 MVPs
Steve Nash 2 MVPs
Bob Petit 2 MVPs

[kennethgriffin]

same thing that comes to my mind when i read this

Kareem Abdul Jabbar 6 MVPs
Michael Jordan 5 MVPs
Wilt Chamberlain 4 MVPs
Bill Russel 5 MVPs
Lebron James 4 MVPs
Magic Johnson 3 MVPs
Larry Bird 3 MVPs
Moses Malone 3 MVPs
Tim Duncan 2 MVPs
Steve Nash 2 MVPs
Bob Petit 2 MVPs


fixed



and yeah... thats a pretty messed up ranking



considering


Kareem Abdul Jabbar 6 MVPs
Michael Jordan 5 MVPs ( is #1 on 99% of the worlds lists )
Wilt Chamberlain 4 MVPs ( not a top 3 player )
Bill Russel[B] 5 MVPs
Lebron James 4 MVPs ( not a top 10 player )
Magic Johnson 3 MVPs
Larry Bird 3 MVPs
Moses Malone 3 MVPs ( not a top 10 player )
Tim Duncan 2 MVPs
Steve Nash 2 MVPs ( not a top 40 player )
Bob Petit 2 MVPs ( not a top 20 player )

[Smoke117]

That you're a pathetic, small, tiny, itty bitty man with serious psychological issues.

[Mr. Jabbar]

statpadding and choker comes to mind immediately, basically bran

[Marchesk]

1 mvp[/B]

4 MVPs, 3 championships, 30/10/5/2 K player.

GOAT SF

[KirbyPls]

4 MVPs, 3 championships, 30/10/5/2 K player.

GOAT SF

:lol

[Kobe_6/8]

Kobe Bryant - 1 mvp

shaquille O'neal - 1 mvp

oscar Robertson - 1 mvp

hakeem Olajuwon - 1 mvp

Julius Erving - 1 mvp

Bob Cousy - 1 mvp

Kevin Garnett - 1 mvp

Barry Sanders - 1 mvp

Emmitt Smith - 1 mvp

John Elway - 1 mvp

Lawrence Taylor - 1 mvp

Maurice richard - 1 mvp

Babe Ruth - 1 mvp

Ty Cobb - 1 mvp

Tris Speaker - 1 mvp

Ricky Henderson - 1 mvp

Jaromir Jagr - 1 mvp

Joe Sakic - 1 mvp

Jerry West - 0 mvps

Elgin Baylor - 0 mvps

John Havlicek - 0 mvps

John Stockton - 0 mvps

Jason Kidd - 0 mvps

George Mikan - 0 mvps

Isiah Thomas - 0 mvps

Derrick Jeter - 0 mvps

Honas Wagner - 0 mvps

Mel Ott - 0 mvps

Steve Yzerman - 0 mvps

Ray Bourgue - 0 mvps

Paul Coffee - 0 mvps










http://sforsports.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/nash_0506mvp_index1.jpg


Steve Nash - 2 time mvp ( 0 finals games )




http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tumblr_mmcpcc9vxY1qa5y2jo1_500.jpg


Lebron James - 4 time mvp ( most finals losses by an mvp winner )








Barry Bonds - 7 time mvp ( 0 rings, caught cheating )

Even though he has 0 rings, Barry Bonds is the home run KING. Almost any MLB player would trade a ring for that.

Steve Nash: He barely beat Shaq for MVP in 2005. If Billups got more MVP votes in 2006, he would be a candidate along with LeBron/Kobe/Dirk.

LeBron: Athletic freak who has made some mistakes in the playoffs.

Everyone else: MVP is a popularity contest,

[Smoke117]

Probably the funniest thing about this is Kenny saying Nash 0 finals appearances, Lebron most finals losses...like that matters. The MVP IS A REGULAR SEASON AWARD...what happens in the playoffs after it has no bearing at all.

[BasedTom]

Probably the funniest thing about this is Kenny saying Nash 0 finals appearances, Lebron most finals losses...like that matters. The MVP IS A REGULAR SEASON AWARD...what happens in the playoffs after it has no bearing at all.
http://i.imgur.com/ZeVWkYb.gif

[WayOfWade]

The first thing that came to mind when I saw that Kenneth started this thread was that it would have something to do with LeBron, and I was not disappointed

[retaxis]

I think "why are people who repeat the same sh1t day after day for years so stupid and unoriginal?" Then i answered my own question with my question:lol :lol

[Papaya Petee]

Just means that LeBron is a must superior player to Kobe

[GIF REACTION]

Barry Bonds never got caught cheating
MURDER.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

only god himself knows why Steve Nash even got the 2006 MVP award.

[Beastmode88]

MVP is a regular season award why the fcuk are u bringing it up. If you want to compare finals mvp then kobe and lebron has the same amount so lebron = kobe? :coleman:

[Hey Yo]

I'm thinking why did Kenny put guys names on there who he's never heard of or know what sport they played

[ralph_i_el]

Barry Bonds is the GOAT
When Ruth played you could only win MVP once.

[kennethgriffin]

Barry Bonds is the GOAT
When Ruth played you could only win MVP once.


the problem is ... in baseball the media will give a guy mvp votes 1 year cause hes got a better team. then the next year they say teams dont matter



bonds is historically known as a guy who played on bad teams


its easier to put up huge numbers when theres no pressure to win


this year josh donaldson will win mvp due to the blue jays record... even trout is 2nd due to the angles having a good record...

while nelson cruz has the best stats.. a much better average with more homeruns ... but his team sucks


where his bonds esq mvp?

[kennethgriffin]

I'm thinking why did Kenny put guys names on there who he's never heard of or know what sport they played


this just means youre not an intelligent sports fan

[ralph_i_el]

the problem is ... in baseball the media will give a guy mvp votes 1 year cause hes got a better team. then the next year they say teams dont matter



bonds is historically known as a guy who played on bad teams


its easier to put up huge numbers when theres no pressure to win


this year josh donaldson will win mvp due to the blue jays record... even trout is 2nd due to the angles having a good record...

while nelson cruz has the best stats.. a much better average with more homeruns ... but his team sucks


where his bonds esq mvp?

When you play on a bad team you have to put up historic numbers to win MVP (see: ARod).

Bonds played on plenty of great squads, it's just impossible for one player to carry a baseball team to a championship.

And how good your team is has NOTHING to do with individual hitting numbers in baseball. I've never even heard anyone insinuate that until right now. If anything, on a bad squad he'd be easier to pitch around. He put up massive homerun numbers even though he got less pitches to hit than any other player.

[kennethgriffin]

MURDER.


[QUOTE]


The Barry Bonds perjury case was a case of alleged perjury regarding use of anabolic steroids by former San Francisco Giants outfielder and all-time Major League Baseball career home run leader, Barry Bonds, and the related investigations surrounding these accusations. On April 13, 2011, Bonds was convicted of one felony count of obstruction of justice for giving an incomplete answer to a question in grand jury testimony. A mistrial was declared on the remaining three counts of perjury, and those charges were dropped.[1] The obstruction of justice conviction was upheld by an appellate panel in 2013, but a larger panel of the appellate court overturned the conviction in 2015.[2]
Contents [hide]
1 BALCO scandal
2 Perjury investigation
3 Federal indictment
4 Trial
5 Sentencing
6 Appeal
7 References
BALCO scandal[edit]
In 2003, Barry Bonds became embroiled in a scandal when Greg Anderson of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO), Bonds' trainer since 2000, was indicted by a federal grand jury in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California and charged with supplying anabolic steroids to athletes, including a number of baseball players. This led to speculation that Bonds had used performance-enhancing drugs during a time when there was no mandatory testing in Major League Baseball. Bonds declared his innocence, attributing his changed physique and increased power to a strict regimen of bodybuilding, diet and legitimate supplements.
During grand jury testimony on December 4, 2003, Bonds said that he used a clear substance and a cream that he received from his personal strength trainer, Greg Anderson, who told him they were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis.[3] This testimony was released to the San Francisco Chronicle by Troy Ellerman, a defense lawyer for Victor Conte. (Ellerman pleaded guilty to disclosing sealed grand jury testimony on February 14, 2007). Later reports on Bonds

[kennethgriffin]

continued...


Mug shot of Bonds taken on November 2007.
On November 15, 2007, a federal grand jury returned an indictment against Bonds. He was charged with four counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice. "During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances for Bonds and other athletes," the indictment reads. The charges focus on Bonds' responses to the grand jury in his 2003 testimony, specifically his denials when asked if he had used steroids, and whether Anderson had administered steroids to him.[20][21][22][23] The Giants, Major League Baseball and its players' union all expressed sadness at the indictment, and even the White House weighed in, calling it a "sad day in baseball".[24]
Hours after Bonds was indicted, Greg Anderson was ordered released from prison. Anderson's attorney, Mark Geragos, denied his client had testified before the grand jury and expressed outrage Anderson had been imprisoned, telling the New York Daily News, "They kept Greg in prison a year. I read the indictment and there is nothing that the government didn't have a year ago to indict Bonds. My guy was nonessential." Geragos also told the Daily News that Anderson would not testify at trial against Bonds if he is called, adding "They would have to indict him [on civil contempt charges] first."[25][26][27]
Bonds pleaded not guilty on December 7, 2007 and is free on bond while awaiting trial. On January 23, 2008, Bonds filed a motion to dismiss the indictment, asserting that the charges are vague and allege more than one offense in each count, which may violate his constitutional rights.[28] In a response from the government on February 14, 2008, prosecutors stated that they would present evidence at trial showing that Bonds tested positive for steroids in November 2000.[29]
Trial[edit]
Bonds's trial was set for March 2, 2009, but delayed by appeals, after the judge excluded drugs tests and other evidence that could not be specifically tied to Bonds without the testimony of Greg Anderson, who is alleged to have provided steroids to Barry Bonds when he was Bonds personal trainer and linked to Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO).[30] Law professor Peter Keane called the prosecutors' move a blunder,[31] although an account by another published attorney disagreed.[32] In June 2010, however, the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals ruled that the evidence should be excluded.[33] On August 7, 2010, it was reported that U.S. District Judge Susan Illston of San Francisco had rescheduled the trial for March 21, 2011.[34] On Friday, December 17, 2010, it was reported that attorneys for Bonds, citing the appeals court ruling, filed papers asking the judge to forbid testimony of current and former baseball players linked to BALCO or the steroids scandal, and not to permit use of Anderson's drug ledgers and calendars, as well as other documents from BALCO which the prosecution was seeking to use at the trial in spite of the appeals court ruling.[35] On January 10, 2011, lawyers for Bonds filed additional papers asking the judge not to permit use of Anderson as a witness by the prosecution (since, given his previous unwillingness to testify, it was presumed he would again decline), nor to allow prosecutors to tell the jury about any refusal of Anderson to testify, nor permit use of a reported tape[36] of Anderson talking to Steve Hoskins, previously a business manager of Bonds.[37] The judge had already excluded evidence which could not be connected to Bonds because of Anderson's refusal to testify about his alleged knowledge of Bonds' alleged connection to the evidence.[38] The same applies to several other pieces of evidence, which Bonds' attorneys asked to be excluded in the January 10, 2011 filing.[39] A hearing was set to be held on the exclusion of the testimony and the additional evidence on January 21, 2011.[40] A report in the New York Times had earlier suggested it was likely that Bonds would not get prison time even if convicted, after pro cyclist Tammy Thomas received house arrest and probation for similar crimes in the BALCO scandal, in a case decided by the very same judge presiding over the Bonds case.[41]
Bonds' trial began on Monday March 21, 2011. The case was prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys Matthew Parrella and Jeffrey Nedrow. The defense team consisted of 8 lawyers. Allen Ruby, a partner at Skadden Arps Slate Meagher & Flom LLP, served as the lead attorney and was assisted by Sean Coutain and Patrick Hammon. Cris Arguedas, of Arguedas Cassman & Headley, served as second chair and was assisted by Ted Cassman and Michael Anderson. Appellate lawyers Dennis Riordan and Don Horgan drafted pre-trial motions and attended the trial in order to brief appellate issues in real time.
Witnesses included Jeff Novitzky, Forment I.R.S Agent who conducted the BALCO money laundering investigation, which led to the discovery of illicit steroid sales; Steve Hoskins, Bonds' former personal assistant; Larry Bowers, chemist from United States Anti-Doping Agency specializing in detecting drugs in blood and urine samples; Kimberly Bell, Bonds' former mistress; Mike Murphy, the Giant's equipment manager; Stan Conte; former Giants trainer; and Marvin Benard, Jason Giambi, and Jeremy Giambi, baseball players who acquired steroids from Greg Anderson.
On 13 April 2011, a jury found Bonds guilty on the felony charge of obstructing justice. U.S. District Judge Susan Illston declared a mistrial on the three perjury charges, as the jury was unable to come to a unanimous verdict.[42]
Case number is U.S. v. Bonds, 07-00732, U.S. District Court, Northern District of California (San Francisco). Released documents of the case have been posted online.[43]
Sentencing[edit]
On December 15, 2011, Bonds was sentenced to 30 days of house arrest, two years of probation and 250 hours of community service, for an obstruction of justice conviction stemming from a grand jury appearance in 2003. However, U.S. District Judge Susan Illston then delayed the sentence pending his appeal.[44]
Appeal[edit]
On February 13, 2013 a three judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit heard the appeal to overturn Bonds's conviction for Obstruction of Justice.[45] On September 13 of that year, the Ninth Circuit upheld Bonds' conviction. Judge Mary M. Schroeder, writing for the three judge panel, found that Bonds' responses regarding his answers regarding receiving injections were evasive and obstructed justice. "When factually true statements are misleading or evasive, they can prevent the grand jury from obtaining truthful and responsive answers. They may therefore obstruct and impede the administration of justice." [46] According to Bonds' lawyers, he answered all questions truthfully and to the satisfaction of the prosecutor, and this is the first known obstruction guilty verdict based on truthful testimony under oath.[47]
An en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit Court heard oral arguments on Bonds's motion to reconsider the panel ruling on September 18, 2014.[48] On April 22, 2015, the en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned Bonds' conviction by a 10-1 vote. A short per curiam opinion characterized Bonds' statement as "a rambling, non-responsive answer to a simple question" and found that there was "insufficient evidence" that the statement was material to the investigation, requiring reversal of the conviction. The court also held that the reversal implicated Bonds' double jeopardy rights, meaning that he cannot be retried on the charge. Several groups of judges added separate opinions stating additional rationales for the reversal.[2]



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qdHBHpuCwf0/U_AVT0C05qI/AAAAAAAAXqM/Ig8LQHhPuGA/s1600/barry%2Bbonds%2Bbefore%2Band%2Bafter%2Bsteroids.jp g

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kidzworld_photo/images/2012310/7dd50dd2-25b6-4f60-a0c0-fac9e70ae99f/gallery_a6.jpg






.............



barry bonds will never make the HOF.

[ralph_i_el]

..............

nope.

He never failed an MLB test. MLB didn't test until 2003.

they found an alleged positive steroid test at a shady supplement company. Lots of athletes went to Balco. Bonds could have just gone once and they gave him that cream that he wouldn't have known was illegal. The league wasn't even testing at the time. I give him the benefit of the doubt.

You can post lots of pictures showing how Bonds got way bigger....but in a lot of those pics he's just fat and at the end of his career.

[GIF REACTION]

Never found guilty.

Only reason he wont make the hall is because writers are salty. Bonds was to boss for them.

GOAT

[kennethgriffin]

When you play on a bad team you have to put up historic numbers to win MVP (see: ARod).

Bonds played on plenty of great squads, it's just impossible for one player to carry a baseball team to a championship.

And how good your team is has NOTHING to do with individual hitting numbers in baseball. I've never even heard anyone insinuate that until right now. If anything, on a bad squad he'd be easier to pitch around. He put up massive homerun numbers even though he got less pitches to hit than any other player.



arod didnt put up historic numbers though


theres nothing historic about his mvp on the last place texas rangers


47 home runs
118 rbi
.298 average
8.4 WAR




griffey didnt win mvp in 1996.. even with

49 home runs
147 rbi
.303 average
9.7 WAR

[kennethgriffin]

Never found guilty.

Only reason he wont make the hall is because writers are salty. Bonds was to boss for them.

GOAT


neither was any of the other guys who were linked to steroids

because its not a criminal investigation on steroid usage. but lying to a grand jury. and bonds obstructed justice.

:lol


being linked to steroids in baseball isnt a crime. its just cheating in baseball.. something you can get banned from

and bonds tried coming back after 2007... the league blacklisted him. he was basically locked out of baseball

he even filed a claim against it

[GIF REACTION]

73 homers in one season

120 intentional walks in one season

GOAT

[ralph_i_el]

neither was any of the other guys who were linked to steroids

because its not a criminal investigation on steroid usage. but lying to a grand jury. and bonds obstructed justice.

:lol


being linked to steroids in baseball isnt a crime. its just cheating in baseball.. something you can get banned from

and bonds tried coming back after 2007... the league blacklisted him. he was basically locked out of baseball

he even filed a claim against it

when everyone was doing it and the league wasn't testing for it, I don't see how you can get all high and mighty over one guy using something.

[jbryan1984]

I think you have to consider eras at some point too. I still don't know how Nash got two and Kobe only has one. I don't think there's any question that LeBron has been the best player in the world since at LEAST 2009. I really thought that when Derrick Rose won it, they were trying to make him a name, same with Curry. Cause tbh, LeBron is still the best player. LeBron was still the best player in the playoffs and people even thought he would get the MVP even if they lost. When it comes down to it, they don't mean anything, the championship does.

[GIF REACTION]

I know a girl who used to **** around with Griffey in the late 90's. She said he always had needles laying around his place... Must have been steroids

[kennethgriffin]

nope.

He never failed an MLB test. MLB didn't test until 2003.

they found an alleged positive steroid test at a shady supplement company. Lots of athletes went to Balco. Bonds could have just gone once and they gave him that cream that he wouldn't have known was illegal. The league wasn't even testing at the time. I give him the benefit of the doubt.

You can post lots of pictures showing how Bonds got way bigger....but in a lot of those pics he's just fat and at the end of his career.


neither did allot of other guys who are banned from the HOF for being linked to steroid usage


when your trainer is arrested for supplying steroids to his athletes. and him/other players come out and testify against you as a steroid user. and you walk around with 300 pounds of muscle while jacking out 70+ homeruns

youre pretty much guilty until proven innocent

its over for bonds

he'l never make the HOF

his life is ruined

his career is tarnished

nobody cares about the baseball record books anymore

the game is f*cked forever cause of these clowns ( mcgwire/ bonds/ sosa etc... )


anyone who supports these f$ggots should get stomped period...


baseball is just now in the last few years somewhat recovering from what happened 15 years ago

[kennethgriffin]

I know a girl who used to **** around with Griffey in the late 90's. She said he always had needles laying around his place... Must have been steroids


you making claims isnt the same as a trainer/doctor employed by barry bonds

[ralph_i_el]

arod didnt put up historic numbers though


theres nothing historic about his mvp on the last place texas rangers


47 home runs
118 rbi
.298 average
8.4 WAR




griffey didnt win mvp in 1996.. even with

49 home runs
147 rbi
.303 average
9.7 WAR

first of all, you insinuated earlier that the WRITERS gave Bonds undeserved MVPs (those same writers are keeping him out of the HoF...)

second.....you're pretending to know about baseball and then posting RBI's and batting averages :facepalm

ARod led the league in slugging, homers, and runs..... and played 161 games. He also won a golden glove.

ARod or Griffey deserved it in '96 :confusedshrug: happens

[kennethgriffin]

first of all, you insinuated earlier that the WRITERS gave Bonds undeserved MVPs (those same writers are keeping him out of the HoF...)

second.....you're pretending to know about baseball and then posting RBI's and batting averages :facepalm

ARod led the league in slugging, homers, and runs..... and played 161 games. He also won a golden glove.

ARod or Griffey deserved it in '96 :confusedshrug: happens





and if those writers knew what they know now bonds would still have 3 mvps


nobodies saying bonds wasnt a great player.. but his career was tailing off after his 3rd mvp. then 6-7 years later hes jacking out 70 homeruns and added 80 pounds of muscle

[ralph_i_el]

neither did allot of other guys who are banned from the HOF for being linked to steroid usage


when your trainer is arrested for supplying steroids to his athletes. and him/other players come out and testify against you as a steroid user. and you walk around with 300 pounds of muscle while jacking out 70+ homeruns

youre pretty much guilty until proven innocent

its over for bonds

he'l never make the HOF

his life is ruined

his career is tarnished

nobody cares about the baseball record books anymore

the game is f*cked forever cause of these clowns ( mcgwire/ bonds/ sosa etc... )


anyone who supports these f$ggots should get stomped period...


baseball is just now in the last few years somewhat recovering from what happened 15 years ago

Bonds is a loner/introvert. He doesn't give a **** about your opinion or anyone else's.

If you wanna stomp me you're welcome to try

[GIF REACTION]

Bonds got screwed out of a couple more MVPs too. If people didn't intentionally walk him so much in the last few years he might have had even more.

GOAT

[GIF REACTION]

and if those writers knew what they know now bonds would still have 3 mvps


nobodies saying bonds wasnt a great player.. but his career was tailing off after his 3rd mvp. then 6-7 years later hes jacking out 70 homeruns and added 80 pounds of muscle
:roll:

Let's be realistic here. 30 pounds.

[kennethgriffin]

when everyone was doing it and the league wasn't testing for it, I don't see how you can get all high and mighty over one guy using something.


allot of people did it... and the league wasnt tested. but it was still against the rule books to use performance enhancing drugs


if nearly everyone in your business starts raping babies. does that make it ok? even if theyre not asking people if theyre raping babies? lol

[ralph_i_el]

and if those writers knew what they know now bonds would still have 3 mvps


nobodies saying bonds wasnt a great player.. but his career was tailing off after his 3rd mvp. then 6-7 years later hes jacking out 70 homeruns and added 80 pounds of muscle

#1 Bonds entered the league at 185 and left at 228

#2 his offensive WAR did not fall off after his first 3 MVPs. It also didn't jump to it's peak until multiple years after he allegedly started using roids.


I believe Bonds took illegal substances. I don't think he was doing them year after year, he would have failed the MLB tests. Most of those guys were doing something illegal. I believe he ended up at BALCO (like a lot of athletes), and took something he didn't know was illegal. Why would he even care? THE MLB WAS NOT TESTING FOR STEROIDS

Hank Aaron and Willie Mays were out of their minds on amphetamines like half the old school hitters btw.

[ralph_i_el]

allot of people did it... and the league wasnt tested. but it was still against the rule books to use performance enhancing drugs


if nearly everyone in your business starts raping babies. does that make it ok? even if theyre not asking people if theyre raping babies? lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

taking roids so you can lift weights more often is vastly different than raping babies.

[GIF REACTION]

Here Kenneth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kasaxBLWgo

"I'm the GOAT! I'm the GOAT! I'm the GOAT!"

"Yes I am Yes I am Yes I am!"

[kennethgriffin]

:roll:

Let's be realistic here. 30 pounds.


kobe added 15 pounds of muscle in 2003


and he only went from this


http://www.lakersuniverse.com/playoffs/02kobespurs.jpg






to this



http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-SOFTlUoHck/maxresdefault.jpg







bonds went from this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Jaye77/barry_bonds1.jpg




to this


https://jstolnis.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/muscly-bonds.jpg

[GIF REACTION]

Biased photos for pre Bonds

And Kobe is 6-6

Bonds is 6-1

[kennethgriffin]

Barry Bonds' hat size increased from a 7.5 to a 16 during the course of his major league career. (11points.com)



http://youoffendmeyouoffendmyfamily.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/bonds.jpg




http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/05/29/Bonds-Self-described-convicted-felon-T41IKTUO-x-large.jpg

[GIF REACTION]

Steroids don't make your head bigger

HGH does

[kennethgriffin]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/11/16/us-baseball-crime-bonds-steroids-idUSN1639833020071116






Barry Bonds going from a trim 185 pounds (83.9 kg) in 1991 to a bloated 228 (103.4 kg) in 2001, when he hit 73 home runs.



he gained almost 45 pounds of muscle

[kennethgriffin]

Steroids don't make your head bigger

HGH does


youre correct sir


which he also took


:applause: :cheers:


:oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

99% of the people who defend barry bonds are black



why? because black people defend murderers and criminals. they protest THOSE people are innocent


so whats a little ol thing like steroids anyway right


:oldlol:


i'd be shocked if any of the people in this thread defending bonds werent of the african decent

[GIF REACTION]

1. You used his weight when he was a rookie which was 185. By 5 years in the league he was clearly 10-15 pounds heavier. My 30 pounds guestimate was much more accurate than your 80. 20-25 pounds in 5 years. Hard work and dedication baby.

2. So it's HGH now? But I thought it was steroids? What's your argument here? You are all over the place. I understand why he was never proven guilty. No clear evidence. Case dismissed!

[kennethgriffin]

1. You used his weight when he was a rookie which was 185. By 5 years in the league he was clearly 10-15 pounds heavier. My 30 pounds guestimate was much more accurate than your 80. 20-25 pounds in 5 years. Hard work and dedication baby.

2. So it's HGH now? But I thought it was steroids? What's your argument here? You are all over the place. I understand why he was never proven guilty. No clear evidence. Case dismissed!


http://img.beckett.com/images/items_stock/185223/3969961/3970564/front.jpg

1991 topps card


http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/10240/10240-448559Fr.jpg

1991 donruss


5 years into the league


http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1991-Topps-Baseball-Card-Barry-Bonds-570-NEAR-MINT-MINT-/361366352767?hash=item54231cf37f

ebay pic of back of card ^


weight = 185




and bonds is linked to both steroids and hgh you nitwit

[GIF REACTION]

Prove it.

I know a guy who works in the baseball card industry. He said they don't weigh the players and that they use the measurements from when they entered the league.

[kennethgriffin]

Prove it.

I know a guy who works in the baseball card industry. He said they don't weigh the players and that they use the measurements from when they entered the league.


well.. his size barely changed even a fraction based on photos

thats the evidence

:oldlol:

[GIF REACTION]

That's weak evidence. Photos are deceiving. Case has been thrown out. You lose.

[kennethgriffin]

That's weak evidence. Photos are deceiving. Case has been thrown out. You lose.


you do realize how easy it is to right click and copy an image URL or google a link

your half a**'d trolling takes me 5 seconds to debunk



google - bonds roids. images. right click. copy. paste.

:oldlol:



come up with something more intricate and detailed.


like when i got henry abbott to research every single game winning shot attempt by kobe on espn boards back in the day.

[GIF REACTION]

case thrown out bro. Flimsy case. No evidence. Not guilty.

[kennethgriffin]

case thrown out bro. Flimsy case. No evidence. Not guilty.


well the court of public opinion and HOF probability has already signed sealed and delivered a permanent life sentance of GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY



:lol



its over for your boy.



but dont worry. hes still a hall of famer in your own mind


:cheers: :oldlol: :lol

[DonDadda59]

I think it's sad that Chris Paul was denied his MVP for some lifetime achievement award bullshit for Beans.

[GIF REACTION]

Look who finally decided to show up

Ain't seen you since me and West served that ass

[Cali Syndicate]

Bonds was already on his way to the hof with 8 gold gloves, 300/300 club and 400/400 club and 500/500 club before the early 2000s hr surge seasons and eventually season and all time record...

[DonDadda59]

Look who finally decided to show up

Ain't seen you since me and West served that ass

You are a dirty snitch and I will slap you in public if I ever see you in person.

[ralph_i_el]

U
99% of the people who defend barry bonds are black



why? because black people defend murderers and criminals. they protest THOSE people are innocent


so whats a little ol thing like steroids anyway right


:oldlol:


i'd be shocked if any of the people in this thread defending bonds werent of the african decent

I'm white. My pic and a video of me.have been posted on this site.

My buddy is 39 and lifts everyday. He's 5'11 and he weighed about what I do (175) at my age (23). Now he weighs 215 and he's jacked. He actually looks like a blacker Barry Bonds. Lifting weights over a long period of time can make you large. It's not proof of anything.