Why doesnt everyone move to California?

[nathanjizzle]

question here i am trying to decipher. california has everything, sweet weather, city life, beach life, country side, hot babes, good food, good people, business, jobs, enterprise. Why? why would someone say to themselves, "i want to live in Cleveland ohio" instead of "california usa"? Is it circumstance? complacency? people are scared they are not good enough? give me your thoughts.

[chosen_one6]

question here i am trying to decipher. california has everything, sweet weather, city life, beach life, country side, hot babes, good food, good people, business, jobs, enterprise. Why? why would someone say to themselves, "i want to live in Cleveland ohio" instead of "california usa"? Is it circumstance? complacency? people are scared they are not good enough? give me your thoughts.

It's expensive to live here. That's why people move away from here.

Also, the people that do make it here tend to be prissy because they have money. Some people don't like that.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I liked Cali a lot. I've visited it about 3-4 times but mostly in the Bay Area. Have been to LA in the 90s although my friend went about 10 years ago and felt the city was still pretty "ghetto" especially in East LA.

The one huge downside for me is, you really need a car to get to places. Not many trains. I live 4 blocks away from a train that can take me to Manhattan in 20 minutes instead of driving there and spending about 30-40 minutes in traffic and getting into the city also finding parking.

Cali people are really chill though hands down. Bay Area has some nice cities. The San Jose area had a pretty solid nightlife. I know if you have money, you can get some amazing homes on hills in the Bay Area with sick views etc. It has a few ghetto cities/neighborhoods like Stockton and Oakland. I've also heard some parts of San Jose is rough. But I guess I can't really complain because when I used to live in Philly, we had Camden right outside the city and Chester, PA not being so far.

Generally speaking though, Cali is expensive. It's as bad as NY if not worse. They have a cap in some areas on how much water you can use and if you go over, it's a huge fine.

Overall though, Cali is definitely a nice place to live but you gotta be OK with driving a lot and spending a lot on gas. The scenery though in the Bay Area is fantastic. I can't really think of any city that rivals the drive from the Bay Area to Napa Valley. It's amazing how diverse that area of Cali is.

[GIF REACTION]

Dude did you get my PM nathan? I'm sorry bro.

[christian1923]

Unless you get a great job or a light skin, why would you purposely surround yourself by so many Mexicans?

You seen Mexican girls? Yuck

[Norcaliblunt]

It's expensive as ****, but I don't know what you are talking about hella people move and live here.

[chosen_one6]

Unless you get a great job or a light skin, why would you purposely surround yourself by so many Mexicans?

You seen Mexican girls? Yuck

You're an idiot:facepalm

[Brujesino]

Unless you get a great job or a light skin, why would you purposely surround yourself by so many Mexicans?

You seen Mexican girls? Yuck
:oldlol:

[embersyc]

Cost of living, too crowded, lack of fresh water, earthquakes, sink holes, massive wild fires, pretentious snobs, etc...

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Cost of living, too crowded, lack of fresh water, earthquakes, sink holes, massive wild fires, pretentious snobs, etc...

Trust me, some NYC girls are way worse than Cali girls in this aspect.

[fsvr54]

Cost of living, too crowded, lack of fresh water, earthquakes, sink holes, massive wild fires, pretentious snobs, etc...

This

After all that drought news, I'd never move there

I'd rather live in Miami

Cuban Woman >>> Mexican Women

[FKAri]

Because it's a desert wasteland where people can't bathe with or drink water anymore.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

This

After all that drought news, I'd never move there

I'd rather live in Miami

Cuban Woman >>> Mexican Women

I would live in South Beach, Miami over any location in LA probably.

[Canelo_Griffin]

Unless you get a great job or a light skin why would you purposely surround yourself by so many Mexicans?
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You seen Mexican girls? Yuck

lolwut.. Why do you hate Mexicans so much? Cause you see they work their asses off while your Dominican fam just lounges around the projects listening to bachata? Dominicans are literally the biggest leachers in the country and stastics show they are the most poor latino population in the country. Why so much anger bruh?

[Patrick Chewing]

Too many bitch ass Liberals. California needs to go away.



C'mon San Andreas, get your shit together and let's get crackin'.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Too expensive to live.
Too many ghetto blacks and Mexicans
Too many illegal aliens
Absolutely no water, cant wash your car/water your lawn
High state tax
Horrible traffic
High crime rates

Most people who live in California are trying to get out of there. They're moving to Portland and Seattle to get away from the sh1thole that is California

[Canelo_Griffin]

Too expensive to live.
Too many ghetto blacks and Mexicans
Too many illegal aliens
Absolutely no water, cant wash your car/water your lawn
High state tax
Horrible traffic
High crime rates

Most people who live in California are trying to get out of there. They're moving to Portland and Seattle to get away from the sh1thole that is California

The only real reason people are leaving is because it takes too much $$$ to live comfortably. All the other reasons you listed are something a sheltered white person would say.

[CakeorDeath]

Most people who live in California are trying to get out of there. They're moving to Portland and Seattle to get away from the sh1thole that is California

A ton have moved/are moving to Utah too. I did. Moved from San Bernardino to Salt Lake 23 years ago this week. Would never live in SoCal again.

Utah >>>>>>>> California. Quality of daily life is infinitely better, and for the rare activity I can do in CA that I can't do in Utah, CA is a 1 hour flight away.

It's fun to visit very specific parts of CA for a few days a year. Other than that, meh.

[KNOW1EDGE]

The only real reason people are leaving is because it takes too much $$$ to live comfortably. All the other reasons you listed are something a sheltered white person would say.


What does California have that Oregon doesnt?

-besides crime, higher taxes, horribly polluted air, no water etc etc

[UK2K]

question here i am trying to decipher. california has everything, sweet weather, city life, beach life, country side, hot babes, good food, good people, business, jobs, enterprise. Why? why would someone say to themselves, "i want to live in Cleveland ohio" instead of "california usa"? Is it circumstance? complacency? people are scared they are not good enough? give me your thoughts.
This should help you out...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/upshot/the-california-exodus.html?_r=0


Over the last few decades, millions of Californians have left the Golden State for opportunities elsewhere.

According to census data compiled by my colleague Rob Gebeloff, the Pacific Northwest and fast growing Sunbelt states like Texas, Arizona and Nevada have attracted a disproportionate share of ex-Californians.

And then this


Nearly four million more people have left the Golden State in the last two decades than have come from other states. This is a sharp reversal from the 1980s, when 100,000 more Americans were settling in California each year than were leaving. According to Mr. Kotkin, most of those leaving are between the ages of 5 and 14 or 34 to 45. In other words, young families.

Meanwhile, taxes are harming the private economy. According to the Tax Foundation, California has the 48th-worst business tax climate. Its income tax is steeply progressive. Millionaires pay a top rate of 10.3%, the third-highest in the country. But middle-class workers—those who earn more than $48,000—pay a top rate of 9.3%, which is higher than what millionaires pay in 47 states.

Combine all the nice things with the fact that the citizens of California are paying for 10,000,000 illegal free riders, and you get a skyrocketing cost of living.

That's why more people are moving away then moving to. Add in the hundreds of billions of unfunded liabilities California has, and they are on the brink of collapse, economically speaking.

The problem is, all those liberals will move away from liberal policies, then vote for the same liberal policies they ran away from when they get to where they are going.

Liberal ideology is like a plague.

[Lakers]

Too expensive to live.
Too many ghetto blacks and Mexicans
Too many illegal aliens
Absolutely no water, cant wash your car/water your lawn
High state tax
Horrible traffic
High crime rates

Most people who live in California are trying to get out of there. They're moving to Portland and Seattle to get away from the sh1thole that is California

These parts are not true. There aren't that many blacks in California and the crime rate is about average except for maybe property crime.

The entire 18 member of my mom's family began their exodus from California starting in the late 90s. They moved to Texas, Washington but most of them to Colorado including my grandmother. Three of my cousins from my father's family have moved to Portland and my aunt plans to join them when she retires. They all had good jobs, Fire Dept Lieutenant for Laguna Beach, a golf course manager, and a golf course developer(he still builds there but says he will never reside there again)among them. I myself have moved to Colorado as well.

The politics and culture have gone to hell in the state. Some of the laws there are just plain nuts. And the education system is in the crapper. Which is one of the reasons one my uncles moved out. I hear people say well you don't like California because you can't afford it. Well that may very well be true but California has the highest wealth gap in the nation(except for maybe NY) so the middle class is becoming non existent there. California's regulations and taxes are so stiff that small businesses find it difficult to compete with the big corporations with their smaller profit margins, so big business has more leverage and power, while employees have less job options and opportunity to move up in position and wage.

If I had a great job opportunity open up in California, I wouldn't hesitate to move back but I wouldn't want to raise kids there or retire there. If you're young and looking for fun, an undocumented immigrant, or rich, California is a great place.

[GimmeThat]

besides it's all about how you think it is okay/or happy for your time to just pass by





and no one finds justice on their way there anyways.

[ekosky]

Because nobody wants to be around wannabe Asian gangsters and Mexicans.

[bdreason]

I paid 350k for my 3B/2b condo. You can buy a mansion on 20 acres in other parts of the Country for that amount. The average rent price for a 1B/1b where I live is around $1,200 a month. The minimum wage is California is still $8 per hour (I think).

[J Shuttlesworth]

lol @ people thinking every part of California is like compton

[christian1923]

lolwut.. Why do you hate Mexicans so much? Cause you see they work their asses off while your Dominican fam just lounges around the projects listening to bachata? Dominicans are literally the biggest leachers in the country and stastics show they are the most poor latino population in the country. Why so much anger bruh?
Lol yah you don't see me repping DR on here daily do you? I can't stand most of them but regardless my family is filled with business owners, teachers, and most of them are all educated and working, so I can atleast be proud of them.

I just clown on Mexicans for the LOL's. Easy target.sorry

[ThePhantomCreep]

I liked Cali a lot. I've visited it about 3-4 times but mostly in the Bay Area. Have been to LA in the 90s although my friend went about 10 years ago and felt the city was still pretty "ghetto" especially in East LA.

The one huge downside for me is, you really need a car to get to places. Not many trains. I live 4 blocks away from a train that can take me to Manhattan in 20 minutes instead of driving there and spending about 30-40 minutes in traffic and getting into the city also finding parking.

Cali people are really chill though hands down. Bay Area has some nice cities. The San Jose area had a pretty solid nightlife. I know if you have money, you can get some amazing homes on hills in the Bay Area with sick views etc. It has a few ghetto cities/neighborhoods like Stockton and Oakland. I've also heard some parts of San Jose is rough. But I guess I can't really complain because when I used to live in Philly, we had Camden right outside the city and Chester, PA not being so far.

Generally speaking though, Cali is expensive. It's as bad as NY if not worse. They have a cap in some areas on how much water you can use and if you go over, it's a huge fine.

Overall though, Cali is definitely a nice place to live but you gotta be OK with driving a lot and spending a lot on gas. The scenery though in the Bay Area is fantastic. I can't really think of any city that rivals the drive from the Bay Area to Napa Valley. It's amazing how diverse that area of Cali is.

LA has several areas with easy access to rail transit. The system is nowhere near as extensive as NYC, but it's there, and it's expanding.

LA will have rail access from DTLA to Santa Monica by the end of the year, a huge milestone.

I love LA. It has great amenities befitting a global city, nice weather, nice topography, and tons of great dining options.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Too many bitch ass Liberals. California needs to go away.



C'mon San Andreas, get your shit together and let's get crackin'.

NYC is just as liberal, arguably moreso. Dumbshit.

California could get hit by a dozen earthquakes, it will always be more desirable than the Red South.

[Lakers]

I paid 350k for my 3B/2b condo. You can buy a mansion on 20 acres in other parts of the Country for that amount. The average rent price for a 1B/1b where I live is around $1,200 a month. The minimum wage is California is still $8 per hour (I think).

One my friends I still keep in contact out there just paid about the same for an 800 sq/ft 2bed 1 bath shack built in the 60s in the "ghetto" part of Oceanside. And he thinks he scored even though he's still at least 15 minutes from the beach. Before that he was living in San Clemente in a 1/1 apartment for $1300/month but at least SC is very nice and safe.

[ThePhantomCreep]

California's CoL is a product of its desirability.

If places like Phoenix, Utah, and Miami offered what California does, they'd be just as expensive.

[thefatmiral]

I would or will for the right job. But don't forget you can surf and skate in other states with a cheaper cost of living. I would also miss my family.

[chosen_one6]

Jesus the amount of ignorance in this thread is amazing. Clearly some of these people have never been to California, or if they have they've been to the shit areas. One dude said he lived in San Bernardino and move to Salt Lake City. I'd f*cking move from San Bernardino too if I lived there. It's a shit town.

[Patrick Chewing]

NYC is just as liberal, arguably moreso. Dumbshit.

California could get hit by a dozen earthquakes, it will always be more desirable than the Red South.


NYC has short-term memory that's all. If I see big bird DeBlasio on the street one day, I'm gonna give him my piece of mind. And New York as a whole is a purple state.


I've never seen more homeless scum and more debauchery in such a short period of time under DeBlasio.

[Alamо]

Texas >

[Lakers]

Jesus the amount of ignorance in this thread is amazing. Clearly some of these people have never been to California, or if they have they've been to the shit areas. One dude said he lived in San Bernardino and move to Salt Lake City. I'd f*cking move from San Bernardino too if I lived there. It's a shit town.

The problem is that there are more and more "shit" areas in California and less and less nice areas. You used to be safe behind the Orange Curtain and now even parts of the OC are becoming almost ghetto. San Bernardino wasn't always a craphole but it is now. The illegals, and rif raf from LA who can't afford to live there anymore have made it a dump. The people who used to live in SB have either moved to the La Verne/San Dimas/Rancho Cucamonga areas or to the newer neighborhoods south of Riverside. The families with a long history in California, love the state, and still want to stay are being pushed into smaller and smaller areas. The only exception is LA and the Bay Area, were young professionals are buying out poorer neighborhoods close to the city and pushing the poor out. The wealthy now want to be closer to the city, not in the suburbs.

[CakeorDeath]

Jesus the amount of ignorance in this thread is amazing. Clearly some of these people have never been to California, or if they have they've been to the shit areas. One dude said he lived in San Bernardino and move to Salt Lake City. I'd f*cking move from San Bernardino too if I lived there. It's a shit town.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them ignorant. By the time I left, I had been living in Rancho Cucamonga and then in Upland. Still fairly nice today but 25 years ago they were pretty much idyllic. Nothing but new houses and orange groves. The 210 wasn't even built out there yet.

My whole family was from California; living as far West as Brentwood, as Far East as Indio; as far North as Victorville, as far South as Carlsbad. Everywhere in between. We were the first to leave, in the early 90s; they've all left since. Some joined us in Utah; others have gone to Oregon, Arizona, New Mexico, back east.

Trust me, I've seen plenty enough of Southern California to form the opinion that I'd rather not live there. Happy to visit occasionally, but home is somewhere else.

[chosen_one6]

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them ignorant. By the time I left, I had been living in Rancho Cucamonga and then in Upland. Still fairly nice today but 25 years ago they were pretty much idyllic. Nothing but new houses and orange groves. The 210 wasn't even built out there yet.

My whole family was from California; living as far West as Brentwood, as Far East as Indio; as far North as Victorville, as far South as Carlsbad. Everywhere in between. We were the first to leave, in the early 90s; they've all left since. Some joined us in Utah; others have gone to Oregon, Arizona, New Mexico, back east.

Trust me, I've seen plenty enough of Southern California to form the opinion that I'd rather not live there. Happy to visit occasionally, but home is somewhere else.

I wasn't saying you specifically were ignorant, but some of the shit I'm reading is beyond ignorant. It's just plain stupid.

I've seen enough of So Cal to know I wouldn't live anywhere else except MAYBE NYC or Miami. Sports, weather, women, food...not much more I can ask for.

[DonDadda59]

You nigguhs don't even have water. In 2 years it'll be like a Mad Max movie out there. :coleman:

[Lakers]

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them ignorant. By the time I left, I had been living in Rancho Cucamonga and then in Upland. Still fairly nice today but 25 years ago they were pretty much idyllic. Nothing but new houses and orange groves. The 210 wasn't even built out there yet.

My whole family was from California; living as far West as Brentwood, as Far East as Indio; as far North as Victorville, as far South as Carlsbad. Everywhere in between. We were the first to leave, in the early 90s; they've all left since. Some joined us in Utah; others have gone to Oregon, Arizona, New Mexico, back east.

Trust me, I've seen plenty enough of Southern California to form the opinion that I'd rather not live there. Happy to visit occasionally, but home is somewhere else.


Wow small world, my cousin used to live in Upland up Mountain and Baseline. We would always head to the Montclair Plaza. I remember the cops used to park right there near the I-10 exit at Monte Vista. Any shaved heads or low riders coming underneath the bridge or off the exit, would be pulled over. They didn't want any bad elements passing into their area or the Claremont-McKenna colleges.

[CakeorDeath]

I wasn't saying you specifically were ignorant, but some of the shit I'm reading is beyond ignorant. It's just plain stupid.

I've seen enough of So Cal to know I wouldn't live anywhere else except MAYBE NYC or Miami. Sports, weather, women, food...not much more I can ask for.

Fair enough. :cheers:

But if you love good weather and sports, don't move to NYC. Either hot as hell or cold as hell, and the Knicks.

[ThePhantomCreep]

The problem is that there are more and more "shit" areas in California and less and less nice areas. You used to be safe behind the Orange Curtain and now even parts of the OC are becoming almost ghetto. San Bernardino wasn't always a craphole but it is now. The illegals, and rif raf from LA who can't afford to live there anymore have made it a dump. The people who used to live in SB have either moved to the La Verne/San Dimas/Rancho Cucamonga areas or to the newer neighborhoods south of Riverside. The families with a long history in California, love the state, and still want to stay are being pushed into smaller and smaller areas. The only exception is LA and the Bay Area, were young professionals are buying out poorer neighborhoods close to the city and pushing the poor out. The wealthy now want to be closer to the city, not in the suburbs.

By "shit" you mean non-white, yes?

Check the numbers. The LA region is safer today than at any point since the 60s. How is shittier? Say what you want about gentifrying hipsters--they're FAR more tolerant than the white flight crowd.

[CakeorDeath]

Wow small world, my cousin used to live in Upland up Mountain and Baseline. We would always head to the Montclair Plaza. I remember the cops used to park right there near the I-10 exit at Monte Vista. Any shaved heads or low riders coming underneath the bridge or off the exit, would be pulled over. They didn't want any bad elements passing into their area or the Claremont-McKenna colleges.

Crazy! We lived just off Euclid. Used to go to Montclair all the time to go to the arcade and mini golf

[Lakers]

By "shit" you mean non-white, yes?

Check the numbers. The LA region is safer today than at any point since the 60s. How is shittier? Say what you want about gentifrying hipsters--they're FAR more tolerant than the white flight crowd.

I quoted "shit" because that's the term chosen_one6 used to refer to San Bernardino. Which in my opinion was once an ok area but isn't anymore.

True, but those numbers are across the board in the US not just California and I believe crime in LA is starting to rise again.

Forget the last part, I mistook you for another poster here.

[Canelo_Griffin]

I quoted "shit" because that's the term chosen_one6 used to refer to San Bernardino. Which in my opinion was once an ok area but isn't anymore.

True, but those numbers are across the board in the US not just California and I believe crime in LA is starting to rise again.

Forget the last part, I mistook you for another poster here.

What's your basis for saying that? It's actually funny that as Compton became majority latino/Mexican the city's crime began to go down. You won't see anyone openly say that in public though because it's only hip to bash Mexicans, whether illegal or not.

[Smoke117]

Because we already have a high enough asshole tawt coda and don't want you piss ants here.

[DukeDelonte13]

Some people are born and go to school in other states and get jobs there.

[UK2K]

NYC is just as liberal, arguably moreso. Dumbshit.

California could get hit by a dozen earthquakes, it will always be more desirable than the Red South.
:oldlol:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Some people are born and go to school in other states and get jobs there.

Yep. You would be surprised how many LA transplants I have met in Philly and who eventually work/live there for a few years at least. I've met some Bay Area Californians in Philly but far more LA transplants. Usually you can tell whose a transplant because they don't J walk at first when they get here :oldlol: and they dress heavier for winter. The only downside for Californians is that being from California actually affects them. Unlike state schools in NY where it's not too hard to get into the top 3 state schools as long as you had a B+ average in high school and decent SATs. In California, it's apparently really difficult just to get into UC schools and sometimes CSU schools. I've met at least two people who did a year of community at Cali before transferring out to the east coast. LA people tend to be more laidback and tend to go out every weekend. Bay Area people I've met in college tend to be more quiet and to themselves sometimes even kind of rude.

[rufuspaul]

California could get hit by a dozen earthquakes, it will always be more desirable than the Red South.


Not all of the South is red.

I visit California often. I have family in the Bay area and Napa and Sonoma valleys, the Mayacamas mountains and the northern coast are some of the most breathtakingly beautiful places on the planet. That being said I wouldn't want to live any other place than where I'm at now. I'm an East Coast guy. It's just in my blood.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Not all of the South is red.

I visit California often. I have family in the Bay area and Napa and Sonoma valleys, the Mayacamas mountains and the northern coast are some of the most breathtakingly beautiful places on the planet. That being said I wouldn't want to live any other place than where I'm at now. I'm an East Coast guy. It's just in my blood.

Exactly agree with this. I have a ton of family around that area and have been to cities like Oakland, San Jose, San Francisco. Berkeley once when I was a kid. It's a gorgeous view and for the most part if you are wealthy, living up in the Bay Area could be sick if you can get a mansion on a hill overlooking some of the cities skylines. I'm East Coast too but because I have a good amount of family in the Bay Area, if I got a good job offer there I would consider it for that reason.

But I also have ton of cousins Canada but I wouldn't consider moving there because well it's Canada lol :oldlol: (all in Ontario or British Columbia)

[DeuceWallaces]

East of Miss River 4life.

[Derka]

I've been to Cali. Its nice and all, but I love where I live.

[UK2K]

I've been to Cali. Its nice and all, but I love where I live.

Same, I was stationed in San Diego for two years, and other than the weather, nothing else was all that appealing in California.

[masonanddixon]

I lived in California for 27 years. It manages to get shittier every year. It was probably a paradise in the 1930s-early 1940s before Baby Boomers were born and now it's just an outpost of Boomer Hell.

Overcrowded, expensive, terrible traffic, toxic/polluted beaches, no jobs, no employment opportunities for anyone in their 20s or 30s, crime, no social welfare, freezing beaches, public schools and universities which cost more in tuition than private schools in other states, affirmative action policies which have gone completely out of control...I'm sure there's more to list but that suffices for now.

[iTare]

A ton have moved/are moving to Utah too. I did. Moved from San Bernardino to Salt Lake 23 years ago this week. Would never live in SoCal again.

Utah >>>>>>>> California. Quality of daily life is infinitely better, and for the rare activity I can do in CA that I can't do in Utah, CA is a 1 hour flight away.

It's fun to visit very specific parts of CA for a few days a year. Other than that, meh.
what area do you live in? i'd love to fist fight you.

[CakeorDeath]

what area do you live in? i'd love to fist fight you.

How come?

[GimmeThat]

what is the reverse of 'the book of Eli'?

probably a place where music is luxury, movie is nothing but TV shows, and TV shows are nothing but imaged conversations.



what is someone who has been accredited and returns?

the rise of and fall of entrepreneurs, venture capitalists, and execs of the minority report.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Hollywood's fault.


East Coast is the beast coast.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

http://www.lilwaynehq.com/images/downloads/da-drought-front.jpg

[SaltyMeatballs]

Because it's expensive. Not everyone has 7 figures in their bank account.

[Nanners]

California is pretty nice, especially norcal, but I like Oregon better.

[JohnnySic]

Nice for a visit but wouldn't want to live there. Maybe for a short time but wouldn't settle there. I like my muggy weather. East coast >

[clipps]

Expensive. I grew up in OC and a lot of those rich ****s suck I always had a good time in LA, but it's too big. I am much happier in Denver. Awesome people, legal weed, incredible beer, out door fun, a lot cheaper, hot fit women, sports fans that are not bandwagon fans(As much as I hate the Broncos, the Bronco fan base is actually pretty solid).

[Bigsmoke]

everybody's too busy moving to Texas

[UK2K]

Californians fled the state in unprecedented numbers over the last decade, and their primary destination was Texas, according to an analysis issued Monday.

About 5 million Californians departed the Golden State between 2004 and 2013, while 3.9 million arrived from other states for a net population loss of roughly 1.1 million, the Sacramento Bee reported Monday using tax-return data from the Internal Revenue Service.

We should ask the millions who left.

Get ready, liberals and bailing on California so fast, and once they get to Texas they will vote in the same stupid ass policies they're running from.

Texas will be Democrat soon enough. Mass migration from shitty blue states, plus minorities breeding like rabbits...

Makes you wonder where we will be in 20 years. Cause if the next 20 years is anything like the last 8, we're probably staring at the beginning of the end of this country.

Obama was right, he sure did 'fundamentally change' this country, into a shit hole.

[Nick Young]

We don't need any more scrubs from hick states moving here thinking they have what it takes to "make it":facepalm

[Nick Young]

Hollywood's fault.


East Coast is the beast coast.
#LeastCoast

[UK2K]

We don't need any more scrubs from hick states moving here thinking they have what it takes to "make it":facepalm
It's the opposite.

California would lose population if it wasn't for illegals.

[Nick Young]

It's the opposite.

California would lose population if it wasn't for illegals.
LOL all these haters talking shit about Cali.

You hate us cus you ain't us.

Also, I'm not talking about illegal immigrants. I'm talking about redneck hick scrubs from Illinois and Wyoming and Missouri and Nebraska moving to Los Angeles thinking they have what it takes to "make it", and then scrubbing up down town with their mid western hick antics.

Illegal immigrants work hard as hell and hustle every day to get by. They also automatically earn my respect by finding a way to get through the US border. As long as they are doing work and paying their own way, illegal immigrants are awesome, especially compared to the midwest hick brigade.

[Dbrog]

We should ask the millions who left.

Get ready, liberals and bailing on California so fast, and once they get to Texas they will vote in the same stupid ass policies they're running from.

Texas will be Democrat soon enough. Mass migration from shitty blue states, plus minorities breeding like rabbits...

Makes you wonder where we will be in 20 years. Cause if the next 20 years is anything like the last 8, we're probably staring at the beginning of the end of this country.

Obama was right, he sure did 'fundamentally change' this country, into a shit hole.

America is turning blue in large part due to George W Bush (probably worst president in US history). That said, I think you are also starting to see a hesitation from the liberals in this country because they see democrats not accomplishing what they were voted to do. Americans in general seem to have lost much faith in politics and are frankly angry.

I think one of the biggest turning points in history happened with the Occupy movement. In the past (see Vietnam), movements like this caused large social change. However, this time, it resulted in innocent and peaceful protesters being beaten, tazed, and maced an ultimately forced to stop protesting (by police breaking the law). It was tremendously sad to see for me. We, the people, don't have power to change our own government now. It's ruled by money and corruption.

[9erempiree]

I blame the Okie Immigrants who migrated to our great land of California of America.

[Nick Young]

America is turning blue in large part due to George W Bush (probably worst president in US history). That said, I think you are also starting to see a hesitation from the liberals in this country because they see democrats not accomplishing what they were voted to do. Americans in general seem to have lost much faith in politics and are frankly angry.

I think one of the biggest turning points in history happened with the Occupy movement. In the past (see Vietnam), movements like this caused large social change. However, this time, it resulted in innocent and peaceful protesters being beaten, tazed, and maced an ultimately forced to stop protesting (by police breaking the law). It was tremendously sad to see for me. We, the people, don't have power to change our own government now. It's ruled by money and corruption.
XD

George W Bush is hardly close to being the worst president in history.

Obama is hardly any different from Bush policy wise. The Republican and Democrat parties are both moderate conservative parties.

Don't be a sap. Stop falling for the manufactured two-party illusion of choice. Republican wins, democrat wins, nothing changes. All these politicians are friends and hang out with each other when senate and congress gets out, even ones who act like staunch enemies to the media.


The occupy movement did not change jack shit. It was just an outlet for middle class and upper class socialists, Che Guevera wannabe college kids and mentally ill people to feel self-important about themselves.

[UK2K]

XD

George W Bush is hardly close to being the worst president in history.

Obama is hardly any different from Bush policy wise. The Republican and Democrat parties are both moderate conservative parties.

Don't be a sap. Stop falling for the manufactured two-party illusion of choice. Republican wins, democrat wins, nothing changes. All these politicians are friends and hang out with each other when senate and congress gets out, even ones who act like staunch enemies to the media.


The occupy movement did not change jack shit. It was just an outlet for middle class and upper class socialists, Che Guevera wannabe college kids and mentally ill people to feel self-important about themselves.

Nothing more true.

[Dbrog]

XD

George W Bush is hardly close to being the worst president in history.

Obama is hardly any different from Bush policy wise. The Republican and Democrat parties are both moderate conservative parties.

Don't be a sap. Stop falling for the manufactured two-party illusion of choice. Republican wins, democrat wins, nothing changes. All these politicians are friends and hang out with each other when senate and congress gets out, even ones who act like staunch enemies to the media.


The occupy movement did not change jack shit. It was just an outlet for middle class and upper class socialists, Che Guevera wannabe college kids and mentally ill people to feel self-important about themselves.

I would believe this if it weren't completely false.

Bush almost single-handedly collapsed this country's economy. He literally broke the law and maintained a war with no approval from other branches of government (how the **** did he not get impeached?!). He basically destroyed everything that Clinton AND HIS OWN FATHER built.

Again, our world completely changed with Obama. He wasted a shit ton of money early on bailing out this backward ass companies, but now millions of Americans are benefiting from the healthcare bill he backed. A bunch of social policies have changed under his presidency. I'm not real sure how this is disputable. I wonder what else he could have done if he wasn't cockblocked by republicans for 6 years. Yes, he overspent A LOT, but at least the citizens see something from it...other than dead relatives (thanks Bush).

If you think these are the same, you have something wrong in your head.

[KingBeasley08]

Yeah I used to say both parties are the same but they're quite different. Of course they both are servants of corporate backers but you gotta be on drugs if you think they are the same when it comes to energy, healthcare, regulatory, social and foreign policies

[UK2K]

I would believe this if it weren't completely false.

Bush almost single-handedly collapsed this country's economy. He literally broke the law and maintained a war with no approval from other branches of government (how the **** did he not get impeached?!). He basically destroyed everything that Clinton AND HIS OWN FATHER built.

Again, our world completely changed with Obama. He wasted a shit ton of money early on bailing out this backward ass companies, but now millions of Americans are benefiting from the healthcare bill he backed. A bunch of social policies have changed under his presidency. I'm not real sure how this is disputable. I wonder what else he could have done if he wasn't cockblocked by republicans for 6 years. Yes, he overspent A LOT, but at least the citizens see something from it...other than dead relatives (thanks Bush).

If you think these are the same, you have something wrong in your head.

Right there, is the moment I knew you didn't know what you were talking about.


The U.S. Congress has granted President George W. Bush the authorization he sought to wage war if necessary to disarm Iraq, as the Senate followed the House of Representatives to support him with overwhelming votes.

Handing Bush a major victory, the Democratic-led Senate voted 77-23 for a war powers resolution negotiated between the White House and congressional leaders backing a possible use of force to rid Iraq of suspected weapons of mass destruction and possibly oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

The Republican-led House earlier on Thursday passed it 296-133.



Your Democrat Senate voted for it dumbass.

[Dbrog]

Not really sure where you are getting your info but The War Powers Resolution requires the president notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. Congress never declared war against Afghanistan or against anyone. There is technically no state of war today against anyone as a matter of constitutional law as formally declared (they only passed a resolution supporting the war). He also lied about "weapons of mass destruction" and therefor negating his entire basis for war in the first place. He basically used a loophole to acquire "authorization of force." Literally one of the worst presidents ever...not debatable.

BTW, I love how you neglected the other truths in my post UK2K.

Edit: I agree that the Democratic congress had no balls hence why I posted this in my first post here: "democrats not accomplishing what they were voted to do." Read my posts carefully please and stop jumping to conclusions.