2015 U.S. Open of Tennis

[bdreason]

I know it's still 2 weeks away, but I wanted to make this thread early so I could talk about the amazing Roger Federer. For those who missed the last tourney, old-man Federer dismantled prime Murray (who is on fire right now) and prime Djoker with the most majestic, well-rounded tennis I've ever seen played. Roger was serving like a wizard, and hitting both his forehand and backhand with an assassin's accuracy. The most impressive aspect of Rogers game was his volley play, which completely embarrassed both prime Murray and prime Djoker, as they attempted to play pure defensive tennis from the baseline, something that plagues this current generation in my opinion.

Honestly, if you're a fan of tennis, try and watch Fed's last two matches. You won't see a more impressive display of tennis artistry, perhaps in the history of the sport. That said, beating Murray and Djoker in a 5-setter at the U.S. Open will be a much more difficult task, mainly because many modern day 5-setters are determined by physical prowess, not talent... and at the age of 34, winning a 5-6 hour match against a prime Murray or prime Djoker is an uphill battle.


I'll post more about the U.S Open as it gets closer. I just wanted to gush about my boy Fed today. :D

[NBAplayoffs2001]

He beat Djoker? Didn't know that. Djoker is having an insane season this year.

[bdreason]

He beat Djoker? Didn't know that. Djoker is having an insane season this year.


I was actually more impressed with his win over Murray, who is playing the best tennis of his career, and who beat Djoker in a final just two weeks ago.

[dude77]

federer looked great today .. taking out the world #1 .. this 34 yr old .. :applause: .. he has that classic tennis game .. very pleasing to watch

[ArbitraryWater]

new one was made, the other one has a better OP but this was first meh

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Damn, sorry dude, didn't know there was already a thread. I suppose I'll just post my OP from the other thread.

Also, thanks for the props AW!

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So, its the last major of the year. Fed is in sublime form, but sadly, in a BO5 on the slower Flushing Meadows courts (slower than Cincy I mean), it might be too much to expect him to win.

Nadal has a rough draw and has Djokovic in his quarter. Faces Coric in the first round, who beat him in straight sets last year in Basel, albeit that was a Nadal that was out of sorts.

Murray got over the Djokovic hump by beating him in Montreal, first time since Wimbledon 2013 that he's beaten Nole. Hes on Federers side of the draw and even though Fed has had his number, these courts are much slower than Wimbys and Murray has a decisive edge in endurance given the age difference. 5 sets could spell trouble for RF, sigh. Murray-Kyrgios is a really interesting first round match.

I have no clue why Djokovic didn't tank Cincy or not show up. He grinded his way to two summer HC finals and has nothing to show for it. He might have to worry about a potential burn out now.

There are some interesting sleepers too. Nishikori is a terror on hard courts when he's playing sell, pasted Nadal and beat Djokovic at the US Open last year. Wawrinka is so confounding to play against when he redlines. Cilic almost certainly won't defend his title but he has a big game.

My heart says Federer will win, but my head says Novak will capture his second US Open title. Long overdue, it could be argued.

[bdreason]

US Open starts today.


Nishikori getting pushed to 5 sets in the first round.

[bdreason]

Nishikori is out in the first round. This is devastating for his ranking, considering he was in the Final last year.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Nishikori is out in the first round. This is devastating for his ranking, considering he was in the Final last year.
ISH logic = better to lose in first round than finals bro.

[bdreason]

ISH logic = better to lose in first round than finals bro.


Tennis results and ranking transfer from year to year, and players are forced to defend their earned points from the previous season. So Nishikori loses all the points he earned from making the US Open Finals last year.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Tennis results and ranking transfer from year to year, and players are forced to defend their earned points from the previous season. So Nishikori loses all the points he earned from making the US Open Finals last year.
Ever heard of a joke? :biggums:

[imdaman99]

Ever heard of a joke? :biggums:
:biggums: He is a Roger Federer stan, they don't know how to take jokes. All business-like and hoping someone else knocks out Nadal for him :oldlol:

Sharapova not playing, not like she would have had any effect of standing in Serena's way :lol

[bdreason]

All business-like and hoping someone else knocks out Nadal for him.


I'd be surprised if Nadal made it out of the first round. Possibly the fastest fall from grace in the history of the sport. Sad, really.

[bdreason]

Ever heard of a joke? :biggums:


I was just explaining the ranking system for those who may not know how it works. It's certainly different than most ranking systems.

[imdaman99]

I'd be surprised if Nadal made it out of the first round. Possibly the fastest fall from grace in the history of the sport. Sad, really.
If only he could drop far enough to play Federer in the 1st round :oldlol: Knowing how protected Fed is, none of the tourneys would allow it.

[bdreason]

If only he could drop far enough to play Federer in the 1st round


Give him a few more months. I'm sure he'll get there. Prime Nadal won't even be a top 10 ranked player after this tourney.

[imdaman99]

Give him a few more months. I'm sure he'll get there. Prime Nadal won't even be a top 10 ranked player after this tourney.
He didn't play in last year's US Open, so anything he does gets him points :oldlol: He hasn't lost at the US Open for 3 yrs :rockon:

Stay reaching and forever rooting for someone else to knock out Rafa, cuz it wouldn't be Fed :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

If only he could drop far enough to play Federer in the 1st round :oldlol: Knowing how protected Fed is, none of the tourneys would allow it.

:roll: :roll:

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

He didn't play in last year's US Open, so anything he does gets him points :oldlol: He hasn't lost at the US Open for 3 yrs :rockon:

Stay reaching and forever rooting for someone else to knock out Rafa, cuz it wouldn't be Fed :lol
Why are you hijacking this thread? It was going fine before you started mouthing off for no reason.

[bdreason]

Ivanovic out in the first round. Not that surprising she lost to Cibulkova, who is a much better player than her ranking suggests.

[bdreason]

Hopefully Bouchard can have some positive results. It's been a terrible year so far for her. Also hoping Stephens can make a deep run.

[bdreason]

Stephens with a tough first round matchup against Coco Vandeweghe. This girl Coco has one hell of a family tree. Her grandmother was Miss America. Her grandfather and uncle (Kiki Vandeweghe) both played in the NBA. And her mother was an Olympic swimmer.

[imdaman99]

Why are you hijacking this thread? It was going fine before you started mouthing off for no reason.
Don't be so sensitive and insecure. It's bad enough that it's so easy to bait you Fed stans/Nadal haters. I said 1 litle thing and then he retaliated. And then we went back and forth. He is not crying about it and neither should you. What I said was factual and what he said wasn't, which I corrected him on. Get over it, tennis is a gentleman's game but we are not at the stadium right now so I will Kyrgios in your face if I have to :cheers:

[bdreason]

This kid Coric is a man-child. Looks like he's 24, not 18.

[Maga_1]

This kid Coric is a man-child. Looks like he's 24, not 18.

Him and Zverev are the future of tennis!
(Yea i'm not counting the other chinese kid and other one with 14 years old yet!)

Pretty awesome first day! :cheers:
Kinda sad to see my man Sousa going down with Berankis in the tie break.

[Maga_1]

Btw, i ****ing love Benoit Paire... he's just amazing:oldlol:

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Don't be so sensitive and insecure. It's bad enough that it's so easy to bait you Fed stans/Nadal haters. I said 1 litle thing and then he retaliated. And then we went back and forth. He is not crying about it and neither should you. What I said was factual and what he said wasn't, which I corrected him on. Get over it, tennis is a gentleman's game but we are not at the stadium right now so I will Kyrgios in your face if I have to :cheers:

What gave you the impression I was a Nadal hater? I'm not; im also a tennis fan/player first, a Federer fan second. Ive forgotten more about tennis than you'll ever know.

Your post was completely devoid of facts lol. Calling you out on your buffoonery isn't a sign of sensitivity.

Maybe try sticking to the thread topic next time and talking about tennis rather than inciting unnecessary arguments.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Him and Zverev are the future of tennis!
(Yea i'm not counting the other chinese kid and other one with 14 years old yet!)

Pretty awesome first day! :cheers:
Kinda sad to see my man Sousa going down with Berankis in the tie break.
You should keep an eye on Reilly Opelka. 6'11 w/better movement than Isner. Won't be a dominant champion but once he grows into his body and improves his serving mechanics (already serves high 130s) he'll be a threat on faster surfaces. Better natural athlete than Isner and karlovic and will definitely develop better groundstrokes.

[imdaman99]

What gave you the impression I was a Nadal hater? I'm not; im also a tennis fan/player first, a Federer fan second. Ive forgotten more about tennis than you'll ever know.

Your post was completely devoid of facts lol. Calling you out on your buffoonery isn't a sign of sensitivity.

Maybe try sticking to the thread topic next time and talking about tennis rather than inciting unnecessary arguments.
Thread topic is US Open. My fact was Nadal didn't play here last year, and won the whole darn thing 2 years ago, thus he hasn't lost here for 3 years dipshit. Since you're a Federer fan, I already know you hate Nadal so don't bullshit me. Nadal made Federer his btch plain and simple and that makes you insecure. Try forgetting that :roll:

Nadal has not lost at the US Open since 2012 :applause:

Although this kid is putting up a good fight, Federer would have already folded against Rafa :oldlol:

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Thread topic is US Open. My fact was Nadal didn't play here last year, and won the whole darn thing 2 years ago, thus he hasn't lost here for 3 years dipshit. Since you're a Federer fan, I already know you hate Nadal so don't bullshit me. Nadal made Federer his btch plain and simple and that makes you insecure. Try forgetting that :roll:

Nadal has not lost at the US Open since 2012 :applause:

Although this kid is putting up a good fight, Federer would have already folded against Rafa :oldlol:

"He is a Roger Federer stan, they don't know how to take jokes. All business-like and hoping someone else knocks out Nadal for him "


But keep going on about how you didn't diverge from the thread topic to troll.

No, I don't hate Nadal. I don't hate people that Ive never met unless I have sufficient reason to. And me not being a fan of his playing style (while still acknowledging that he's absolutely one of the best ever, a good sportsman and a credit to tennis), doesn't mean I hate him. Maybe in your b + w world it does.

Btw, Nadal didn't play the US Open in 2012.....something you would know if you were a tennis fan. Not a blunder, considering you twice said he "has not lost at the US Open since 2012".

It's actually since 2011.....because he's only played it once since then. One could just as easily say " he's only won it once in the four years. " He withdrew in 2012 and 2014. So even when you TRY to be factual -- something you haven't attempted to be very often in this thread -- you're wrong.

You know nothing about tennis. Don't bullshit me, keyboard warrior.

[imdaman99]

"He is a Roger Federer stan, they don't know how to take jokes. All business-like and hoping someone else knocks out Nadal for him "


But keep going on about how you didn't diverge from the thread topic to troll.

No, I don't hate Nadal. I don't hate people that Ive never met unless I have sufficient reason to. And me not being a fan of his playing style (while still acknowledging that he's absolutely one of the best ever, a good sportsman and a credit to tennis), doesn't mean I hate him. Maybe in your b + w world it does.

Btw, Nadal didn't play the US Open in 2012.....something you would know if you were a tennis fan. Not a blunder, considering you twice said he "has not lost at the US Open since 2012".

It's actually since 2011.....because he's only played it once since then. One could just as easily say " he's only won it once in the four years. " He withdrew in 2012 and 2014. So even when you TRY to be factual -- something you haven't attempted to be very often in this thread -- you're wrong.

You know nothing about tennis. Don't bullshit me, keyboard warrior.
:lol Nice, he hasn't lost here in 4 years. Only helps my original argument with bd. And he won in 2010 so he's won 2 out of the last 3 times he's played here. Only Djoker has solved him but Nadal beat him the 2 times he's won.

I know enough about tennis to know Nadal is Fed's daddy :pimp: Nobody gives a shit if some fool brags about his tennis knowledge on a basketball forum. :roll: at keyboard warrior. Nobody is warrioring here except you that was insecure enough to butt into a conversation he was not a part of :lol

BTW Nadal won tonight. As someone who does not like his playing style, I'm sure you watch all his matches :cheers: Don't worry, I'm sure someone will beat him as he has been very meh this year. It still won't be Fed.

I am done replying to you because I don't need to have the same conversation over and over. Peaceout warrior.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

:lol Nice, he hasn't lost here in 4 years. Only helps my original argument with bd. And he won in 2010 so he's won 2 out of the last 3 times he's played here. Only Djoker has solved him but Nadal beat him the 2 times he's won.

I know enough about tennis to know Nadal is Fed's daddy :pimp: Nobody gives a shit if some fool brags about his tennis knowledge on a basketball forum. :roll: at keyboard warrior. Nobody is warrioring here except you that was insecure enough to butt into a conversation he was not a part of :lol

BTW Nadal won tonight. As someone who does not like his playing style, I'm sure you watch all his matches :cheers: Don't worry, I'm sure someone will beat him as he has been very meh this year. It still won't be Fed.

I am done replying to you because I don't need to have the same conversation over and over. Peaceout warrior.

Why wouldn't I butt in? It was a good thread, and I happen to be a Federer fan. So what? Don't tell me you haven't taken it upon yourself to butt in when somebody calls all ______ fans (insert your favourite player in any sport) insecure humorless ninnies. All I did was take exception with your tangential trolling.

You seem to think you know enough about tennis to smear all posters of a particular fan group. So, you got exposed. You don't even know what years Nadal PLAYED the US Open. The fact that Nadal owns Federer in their h2h (and any Federer fan that does deny this doesn't have an accurate perception of reality) doesn't make me lose sleep at night -- unlike you, I actually love TENNIS, and not just individual players.

Also, me not liking Nadals playing style doesn't mean I don't like it when he plays a more offensive game and tries to dictate points. I prefer offensive baseliners/all courters to counterpunchers. I'll still watch Nadal when he's on tv because any tennis is better than no tennis (again, being a non-tennis fan you wouldn't understand this). In his 2013 summer hardcourt season he was a beast at taking control of the rally from early in the point and putting away short balls. THAT I enjoy, and while I prefer both Federer and Djokovic to Nadal, when he's playing that type of tennis, it's a sight to behold. Now that he's aging it would probably be advisable to play a more attacking style, like in 2005 when he bullied Hewitt at the Australian Open with his fh, or Federer in Miami. His defense isnt the same and never will be.

But i digress, seeing as all that will go in one ear and out the other for you. Peace out, clueless.

[imdaman99]

Lol so mad. So much sleep lost. Much denial. Lack of humor and boring. Enjoy writing novels about a "goat" being dominated by his rival not affecting his goathood. Curse at ppl some more online :lol stay insecure, Nadal is still the daddy. Goodnight :cheers:

BTW what exactly is a pssy in human form? Is that supposed to be witty or funny? Grow up lol

[Smoke117]

Homeboy really is a Federer fanboy...he actually believes he could beat an in his prime Djokovic in a 5 set match at this point? LOL. Djokovic will win this tournament, period. He's the best player in the world and the hard court is his best surface. Murray beat him in a 3 set match and you think that means something? That has NEVER meant anything when it comes to the majors.

[imdaman99]

Homeboy really is a Federer fanboy...he actually believes he could beat an in his prime Djokovic in a 5 set match at this point? LOL. Djokovic will win this tournament, period. He's the best player in the world and the hard court is his best surface. Murray beat him in a 3 set match and you think that means something? That has NEVER meant anything when it comes to the majors.
Djokovic's peak might be as good as anyone's in history. He dominates the Aussie Open, he needs to seal the deal at the USO though.

[stalkerforlife]

Federer got this.

GOAT.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Lol so mad. So much sleep lost. Much denial. Lack of humor and boring. Enjoy writing novels about a "goat" being dominated by his rival not affecting his goathood. Curse at ppl some more online :lol stay insecure, Nadal is still the daddy. Goodnight :cheers:

BTW what exactly is a pssy in human form? Is that supposed to be witty or funny? Grow up lol

"I am done replying to you"

*immediately replies*

:applause:

Thought I'd also point out: i don't know if Federer is the GOAT. I'd actually give that title to Laver, because of how he was able to master tennis by winning the Grand Slam twice (and the pro slam in 67). Era notwithstanding (you can only play in the conditions that are in front of you) to me he is the GOAT. I don't stan Federer cuz he's the GOAT. I just love watching the man play. He MIGHT be the greatest, and i flip-flop between him Laver and Gonzales often, but even if Nadal or Djokovic surpass him in accomplishments, it shouldnt mean anything to anybody that actually appreciates the style of his game or how he added to the lore of tennis.

This entire thread I haven't said one negative word about Nadal or his fanbase. You've been the exact opposite. Yet I'm a "Nadal hater".......and I suppose you're just telling it like it is. Right. Clearly you have the maturity of a primary school student.

But please, respond again and then say you're done responding ...... Again :D

[Maga_1]

The girls keeping going down, 14 pre-ranked girls down already! :confusedshrug:

[bdreason]

He's the best player in the world and the hard court is his best surface.


Yet Djoker has only managed to win the USO once despite the fact that Fed and Nadal have been out of the picture for years.

[bdreason]

The girls keeping going down, 14 pre-ranked girls down already! :confusedshrug:


The WTA is as deep with talent as it's ever been. Unfortunately none of them can beat Serena. :oldlol:

[Maga_1]

The WTA is as deep with talent as it's ever been. Unfortunately none of them can beat Serena. :oldlol:

Am i the only one who wants to see Serena retire just to see who will step up in her position?

My favorite is Wozniacki, i've been following her since she was 19 or something.
But right now i really appreciate Bencic but i'm still trying to figure it out why... she doesn't have a pure skill that standouts in my opinion.

And for once, come on Bouchard... get your shit together, it's time to kick that negative stuff back :cheers:

[Maga_1]

Karlovic is only 100 aces away from history!
I still remember when i started watching tennis, Ivanisevic was my favorite player at that time :rockon:

[bdreason]

But right now i really appreciate Bencic but i'm still trying to figure it out why... she doesn't have a pure skill that standouts in my opinion.

She's the 18 year old with all the hype? I remember she beat Serena awhile back in Davis Cup.

She plays Venis tomorrow.

[bdreason]

Murray down 2 sets. Getting thoroughly outplayed by a French lefty. :eek:

[Maga_1]

She's the 18 year old with all the hype? I remember she beat Serena awhile back in Davis Cup.

She plays Venis tomorrow.

Yea, she has a nice solid game. Not a tremendous talent but really consistent player so far for her age.

Today's games had some cool highlights.
Wozniacki going down :(
Mannarino killing Murray for 2 sets
Hewitt ending his career as a warrior with a standing ovation
Karlovic 43 aces and a loss.
Chung (that kid has tremendous potentil) giving lots of trouble to Wawrinka
Federer and Djokovic outclassing their opponents.
Sock collapsing was scaring as shit.

[Maga_1]

We have some interesting matches tomorrow:
Cilic vs Kukushin should be good.
Bouchard vs Cibulkova a match of girls underperforming all season
Raonic vs Lopez probably the best match
My man Paire going to take down Robredo :rockon:

Btw, did anyone catch that Kyrgios and Bouchard are playing mix doubles? :oldlol:

[Jasi]

Has Roger's new sneaky half-volley return on second serves been mentioned yet?

How can one not love this athlete?

[Maga_1]

Has Roger's new sneaky half-volley return on second serves been mentioned yet?

How can one not love this athlete?

I'm biased, he's the best i've ever seen playing but Djoko will always be my favorite all time :D

But yea, he's outclassing every oponent right now!

[bdreason]

Has Roger's new sneaky half-volley return on second serves been mentioned yet?

How can one not love this athlete?


They call it the SABR - Sudden Attack By Roger.


I've never seen anything like it. The amount of touch it takes to pick up a serve off a short hop while charging the net like that is insane. It also takes a lot balls to even attempt that kind of tactic; if it doesn't work, you're going to look like a moron.

[Jasi]

They call it the SABR - Sudden Attack By Roger.


I've never seen anything like it. The amount of touch it takes to pick up a serve off a short hop while charging the net like that is insane. It also takes a lot balls to even attempt that kind of tactic; if it doesn't work, you're going to look like a moron.

he'd volley that if he could :D

[Maga_1]

I can't like Serena's game, she has too many flaws in terms of technique... she's just tremendly strong compared to the other players.

Maybe a dumb question but has anyone ever questioned her in terms of genetics?
Wasn't a girl excluded to compete because she had levels too high of testorone in some sport?

[imdaman99]

Nadal drops 2 sets in a row and it's gonna be a 5th set against Fognini... what annoys me the most is he was up a break in both 3rd and 4th sets :facepalm

Fognini is known to come back from down 0-2 as well...ugh

[bdreason]

I can't like Serena's game, she has too many flaws in terms of technique... she's just tremendly strong compared to the other players.



I don't like Serena either, but acting like her strength is the only reason she dominates is disrespectful. Being a physical specimen certainly helps, but Tennis is more about technique and intelligence than strength. I remember Justine Henin giving Serena fits when they played, and she was like 5'5" 125lbs.

[bdreason]

Nadal and Fognini in a great match. I just started watching in the 5th unfortunately.

[bdreason]

Damn Fognin breaks, and Nadals breaks back with no regard for human life. :bowdown:

[bdreason]

These guys are killing the ball. What a match.

[bigkingsfan]

This fifth set is GOAT level, watch I jinxed it.

[bdreason]

Both their serves are garbage right now. Fognini is just swinging for the fences and landing everything. Nadal needs to come to net more.

Fognini serving for the match.

[imdaman99]

These 2 been breaking the other's serves for like the last 45 mins :lol

Plz break back Nadal... Fognini serving to finish the match :(

[dude77]

crushing loss if nadal loses this .. come on rafa

[Vaniiiia]

rip nadal :(

[dude77]

fk

[imdaman99]

Fk this shit, I'm out. He is washed up.

[Vaniiiia]

Fogini is emotional about this W...

He just ENDED nadals career!

[Vaniiiia]

nadal will NEVER get his swagger back.

he's DONE

[dude77]

he may not get it back but he had an all time great run .. nothing lasts forever

[Maga_1]

151-0 when Nadal was leading by 2 sets, until today's game!
I can't believe i watched almost 4 hours of OCD Nadal playing, but to see him lose it makes it good enough :lol

[bdreason]

What a 5th set. I know I hate on Nadal sometimes, but it's hard to watch him lose like that.

Nadal NEEDS to come to net more. He can't just rely on out-hitting all his opponents from the baseline anymore. It doesn't make sense for him not to come to net more. He pushes guys way off the court with his high-bounce topspin, and he has great hands. Nadal needs to find himself a new coach IMHO.

[Maga_1]

I don't like Serena either, but acting like her strength is the only reason she dominates is disrespectful. Being a physical specimen certainly helps, but Tennis is more about technique and intelligence than strength. I remember Justine Henin giving Serena fits when they played, and she was like 5'5" 125lbs.

You understood why i said that. we all know it's not just because of that but it's clearly a HUGE help for her.
I can't see her losing this Open but i would like that!

[imdaman99]

nadal will NEVER get his swagger back.

he's DONE
He had a great run. 10 straight years with a slam, it's unprecedented. 14 slams, he was the most exciting player for me to watch because his defense was so great and he was the king slayer. I enjoyed the last 10 years and enjoyed his magical years the most, 2008, 2010, 2013... It's unfortunate there is no kid coming up with the charisma that he's portrayed, a youngin with guts to beat the best.

Djoko and Fed are great, but I can't really be fans of them because they were great rivals of Nadal. Let's go Murray is all I can say.

[Maga_1]

What a 5th set. I know I hate on Nadal sometimes, but it's hard to watch him lose like that.

Nadal NEEDS to come to net more. He can't just rely on out-hitting all his opponents from the baseline anymore. It doesn't make sense for him not to come to net more. He pushes guys way off the court with his high-bounce topspin, and he has great hands. Nadal needs to find himself a new coach IMHO.

I have been saying that for so long.
He needs to adapt his game to his currently body and strenght! He can't rely on smashing the ball from the baseline anymore.

But Fognini straight forehand was just incredible in those crucial moments.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Sigh, commiserations to Nadal fans. Genuinely hard to watch. Blowing a 2 set lead is gutting.

Never did I expect Fognini to hold on, guy has a junior level serve. Awesome shotmaker though.

[Jasi]

Damn, I wanted to bet on the 3-2, but in the end I just bet on Fognini's win.

Still need Gasquet, Berdych and Wawrinka for the bet to go down however.

[alenleomessi]

nadal should sack his roids dealer

[ArbitraryWater]

He didn't even play that bad, of course Fognini had the match of his life.. of course

[alenleomessi]

He didn't even play that bad, of course Fognini had the match of his life.. of course
except for the fact that he beat him 3 times this year.. i guess he had 3 matches of his career? against the same guy? in the same year? sure :oldlol:

nadal is more washed up than falcao

[Vaniiiia]

He didn't even play that bad, of course Fognini had the match of his life.. of course
:facepalm

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Fognini beat Nadal? Lol wow. How is Lopez still relevant? I feel like I haven't heard his name since the mid 2000s until recently. I completely forgot the Spaniard is still playing.

[imdaman99]

He didn't even play that bad, of course Fognini had the match of his life.. of course
Nadal didn't look terrible but he was not dictating any of the points. His forehand looked weak compared to Fognini's DTL forehand. The only reason Rafa won the first 2 sets was because Fognini tanked them, he's been known to do that. Dude is very talented, someone like Monfils in that when he is on he is capable of being scary good, just the tanking gets in the way and it happens often on the big stage. He was trash talking and staring down Nadal all night, so I knew he brought his game.

2 Years ago, Nadal could get away with dictating the points and waiting out till the other guy makes an unforced error...but he doesn't have the young legs anymore and can't defend like he could. He even got smoked at the French. I'm afraid to say it, but he is done. He doesn't have the game that Fed does, that he can play till he is in his 30s. Fed makes it look effortless, which is why he is still a top 3 guy right now. Fed can beat anyone but Djoko in a Final. Nadal would have lost in 3 to Djoko even if he happened to get past Lopez who had already beat him twice in a row.

They showed the stat, he was 24-4 against top 10s in 2013. Since, he's been 8-11. He can't will himself to victories anymore. I had always looked at him as a mental giant and he has been up until recently. I enjoyed his career, I really did. I would even enjoy if he had great matches against other top 10s and lost at the end. But watching him get smoked 3 sets in a row against Berdych or Fognini (which this essentially was) is painful. Aussie 2014 was the one that got away. Does he have another French Open in him? I hope so, as he doesn't have 1 anywhere else :oldlol:

Here's to 10 great, fun, and exciting years :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm not even denying that this decline is very real, I'm just saying this wasn't as terrible as the stuff he comes to do at Wimbledon nowadays...
meh, 10 straight years with a slam, but Roger may just be the GOAT (although I'll always have a healthy Rafa is BOAT).

[ArbitraryWater]

The biggest thing he can hold against himself is that he held on uncle Toni for too long.. especially in these late/down years, where a change could really be refreshing, mentally and tactically, as some of you pointed towards to.

[Maga_1]

Bouchard quits doubles and doubles mixed because she hit the head somewhere before the games today :oldlol:

Maybe her and Kyrgios were banging and that happened :lol

[bdreason]

Donald Young comes back from 2 sets down for the 2nd match in a row... and only the 2nd time in his career. Could be a breakthrough moment for him.

[bdreason]

Fed has to play Isner next. Could be a tough match. Don't think we'll be seeing any SABR's against Isners serve. :oldlol:

[bdreason]

I have a feeling Serena is going to lose this match to Keyes.

[Vaniiiia]

I have a feeling Serena is going to lose this match to Keyes.
Serena just ethered you.

[ArbitraryWater]

I wanted to bet on Serena winning it all before this tourney now its way too late quote is down **** me :facepalm :facepalm :banghead:

[Vaniiiia]

Damn... this ugly fool Bautista is playing really well against GOATovic.

This one might go 5 sets.

[bdreason]

Isners serve is ridiculous. He just hit a 138mph serve... out wide.

[bdreason]

I've never seen a more skilled player on the court than this current version Roger Federer. His control of the ball, whether with the serve, the volley, or at the baseline, is otherworldly. He's like '98 MJ out there. :bowdown:

[bdreason]

And Murray lost to Anderson. I didn't get to watch it, but I heard it was pretty good.

[stalkerforlife]

I've never seen a more skilled player on the court than this current version Roger Federer. His control of the ball, whether with the serve, the volley, or at the baseline, is otherworldly. He's like '98 MJ out there. :bowdown:

If he wins this US Open, he will be the UNDISPUTED GOAT.

And he may already be.

[Vaniiiia]

Isner blew it...

Shitty ass volleys. :facepalm

[dude77]

yeah isner can't volley for shit or he's just way too inconsistent with it .. hanging tough with federer though

[dude77]

isner, stop volleying you fkn knucklehead

[dude77]

and the match ends on .. guess .. a missed volley .. isner you're a retard .. low iq player .. I keep fkning up every volley, let me keep trying them over and over

federer continues to impress .. 34 yrs old .. ancient in tennis and this guy is still playing at this level .. ridiculous

[Maga_1]

And Murray lost to Anderson. I didn't get to watch it, but I heard it was pretty good.

Anderson was just unconscious today, what a game that he had!
Murray actually played pretty well but Anderson was in the zone all the game.

He was serving pretty well but what was the difference maker was the first touch after the serve, he got so many winners and plays close to winners going close to the net like i've never seen it before.

[Maga_1]

I've never seen a more skilled player on the court than this current version Roger Federer. His control of the ball, whether with the serve, the volley, or at the baseline, is otherworldly. He's like '98 MJ out there. :bowdown:

I ****ing hate this ****ing shit, stop being so ****ing damn good Federer!
My favorite player will always be Djokovic but this "late years" version of Federer has been grown on me for some time.

[Smoke117]

These kiddies...thinking Federer can beat an Djokovic in his absolute prime..you are all adorable.

[dunksby]

English media keep calling Murray, a Scottish player, whenever he disappoints :roll:

[dude77]

These kiddies...thinking Federer can beat an Djokovic in his absolute prime..you are all adorable.

lol haven't been watching .. he just beat him at the end of august .. albeit in a best of 3 match but it's still 2 sets .. no reason to believe he can't get that 3rd here with the way he's playing

[plowking]

Djokovic struggles with guys that can hit harder than him on the baseline rallies. Whenever you're watching a game with him against Murray, Fed or Stan you never get the sense that he has the upper hand.

In fact, he'll usually start off strong in most of these matches simply due to his ability to play and return all kinds of shots, but once the game draws on longer, despite his insane stamina and shot making, it takes its toll, and he keeps getting deeper in the court.

Even in his last game against a relative unknown to the public, he was more than 3 feet behind the line on most rallies. Anyone with a bit of power, and ability to hit their ground strokes, Djoker struggles against. He kills off the big servers easy due to his grinding style of constantly getting the ball over the net, but he is falling more into the style of Nadal. He simply isn't as effective doing it due to not moonballing as much.

Djoker a couple years ago was a different animal. Even though Fed is probably worse now, he has a chance due to the change of play and decline of Djoker. I think the decline is all stylistic IMO.

[imdaman99]

Djoker already has 2 majors this year and was in the Final in the other. I thought he was declining but he is back. And he lost to Fed at Fed's best nonslam, at Cincy which Fed considers the 5th slam :lol

This is not a decline, everyone gets challenged. Not saying Djoker is gonna win because he's blown a few US Opens, but I don't see him having a mental lapse against Fed in the Final. Which is a shame, because Federer is capable of beating everyone else (not Nadal, but at his dropoff who knows if they will ever play again :oldlol: )

[ArbitraryWater]

Lets be real, the field is WIDE OPEN for Djokovic.. who else is there to contend? 34 year old Federer is his strongest adversary. He should be sitting on 3 slams right now.

[imdaman99]

Stan can beat him, although he probably wouldn't beat Fed.

And Cilic who goated at last year's Open (and beat Fed) is in Djoko's bracket... wonder why that is :oldlol:

[Jasi]

Watch out for Monsieur Le-plus-beau-revers-

[bdreason]

Stan can beat him, although he probably wouldn't beat Fed.

And Cilic who goated at last year's Open (and beat Fed) is in Djoko's bracket... wonder why that is :oldlol:



Cilic has been garbage this year. Easily the worst player remaining in the draw.

[bigkingsfan]

Rigged

[BurningHammer]

Lopez got one back :applause:

[plowking]

Djokovic really isn't in the best form...

[bdreason]

Azarenka vs Halep should be a good match.

[Vaniiiia]

Much better on the eyes than Serena/Venus.

Halep dominant so far. Damn she has a tight ass, too. I'm out of her league but I'd definitely hit, she's probably submissive in the sack like most romanian chicks. :applause:

[imnew09]

Fken halep got a fken nice a$$ body


:bowdown: :bowdown:

[bdreason]

If Fed can't get his match in tonight (or tomorrow) because of the rain, it could cost him the tourney.

[Maga_1]

Djokovic declining, uau.... that's new :lol :lol

If the Federer's game goes to tomorrow's schedule it would be VERY tough for him to have a good performance in the next round!

We all know that most of the weakness right about for him around Djokovic are the 5 set games where stamina takes a tool, imagine with a day less to rest.

[bdreason]

Djokovic declining, uau.... that's new :lol :lol

If the Federer's game goes to tomorrow's schedule it would be VERY tough for him to have a good performance in the next round!

We all know that most of the weakness right about for him around Djokovic are the 5 set games where stamina takes a tool, imagine with a day less to rest.


It's supposed to rain all day tomorrow. That means Fed would have to play a QF on Friday, SF on Saturday, and then the Final on Monday.

[Maga_1]

It's supposed to rain all day tomorrow. That means Fed would have to play a QF on Friday, SF on Saturday, and then the Final on Monday.

Just terrible.
I don't get it, the Wawrinka x Anderson match got scheduled to Louis Armstrong Stadium because of rain.

[ArbitraryWater]

Fair, evening out the incredibly easy draws Fed gets at every tourney.

[Vragrant]

Glad Halep won. Azarenka is one of the most annoying players I've ever watched.

[Vaniiiia]

Glad Halep won. Azarenka is one of the most annoying players I've ever watched.
She averages 3 fist pumps per point. Highest ratio all time.

[bdreason]

Fed with another masterful performance. I've never seen a player hit his marks like Fed is doing right now... and I've been watching Tennis since the early 90's. The craziest part is how easy he makes it look.

[plowking]

Fed with another masterful performance. I've never seen a player hit his marks like Fed is doing right now... and I've been watching Tennis since the early 90's. The craziest part is how easy he makes it look.

Outside of Isner, his schedule has been fodder.

See what it all means when he faces some decent competition now.

[bdreason]

Serena down a break in the 3rd set.

[bdreason]

Vinci about to serve for the match.

[imdaman99]

Let's see with Serena's back to the wall...

[bdreason]

Serena goes down.

[bdreason]

Let's see with Serena's back to the wall...


She's the master of comebacks, but not today.

[imdaman99]

Man she went down quietly...

Good shit vinci, Serena is finally stopped. Why is she running away so quickly lol

[bigkingsfan]

Looks like a grandma with 50 cats, Serena lost to this?

[Jasi]

All-Italian final at the US Open!!!
:rockon: :rockon: :bowdown: :bowdown: :eek: :eek:

:hammertime: :hammertime:

[BurningHammer]

No within-a-year Grand Slam for Serena :(

[hateraid]

No within-a-year Grand Slam for Serena :(

Calendar Slam

[Sarcastic]

Calendar Slam

The Grand Slam.

[BurningHammer]

The Grand Slam.
Serena already had it, but it is not in the same year.

[Maga_1]

Just catched the 3rd set, Seren acted a lil bit weird celebrating way too much all the points and screaming and fist bumping like never before... was it the pressure of the game? It was kinda weird.

Great game by Vinci, especially the last points where she had those typical double's volleys :rockon:

[TheMan]

Just catched the 3rd set, Seren acted a lil bit weird celebrating way too much all the points and screaming and fist bumping like never before... was it the pressure of the game? It was kinda weird.

Great game by Vinci, especially the last points where she had those typical double's volleys :rockon:
Lol, the Mob made a killing, even got a paisan in the Final...:applause:

[yobore]

Wonder what kind of technical advancements they've made in Italy for two ladies in their early 30's to start having the best results of their lives at the same time. Maybe I've been watching too much cycling lately, but it's hard not to be suspicious of these sports where they barely even check when cheating is still rife in the one where they actually try.

[Sarcastic]

Serena already had it, but it is not in the same year.

She has the career Grand Slam. Winning them all in one calendar year is called winning "The Grand Slam".

When Graf did it in 1988, they said she won " The Grand Slam".

[plowking]

Apparently Cilic was out there just due to not wanting to dupe the crowd over since they all paid money. Was injured and out there doing it for the crowd. Told Djoker before the match even started according to Nole.

[dude77]

Apparently Cilic was out there just due to not wanting to dupe the crowd over since they all paid money. Was injured and out there doing it for the crowd. Told Djoker before the match even started according to Nole.

are you serious ?? well damn .. ok it's good knowing that then .. that was some sad shit watching cilic get smacked around like that

[Jasi]

Wonder what kind of technical advancements they've made in Italy for two ladies in their early 30's to start having the best results of their lives at the same time. Maybe I've been watching too much cycling lately, but it's hard not to be suspicious of these sports where they barely even check when cheating is still rife in the one where they actually try.

Yeah because only doping can take one at Serena's level right? :rolleyes:

BS, women's Italian tennis has been very good for long now.
Schiavone won Roland Garros in 2010 and runner-up in 2011, ranked 4th in the world.
Errani-Vinci have won the double in multiple Slams, boh have been 1st in the doubles ranking, Errani also 5th in the singles.
Pennetta too has been ranked 1 in the doubles and top 10 in the singles.

[gigantes]

wow... martina hingis just won her 19th grand slam.

imagine if she hadn't retired for huge stretches?

[bdreason]

Hingis was certainly one her way to all-time greatness before the hip injuries. You can't count doubles titles like you do singles titles though... it's a completely different sport.



Tomorrow may be Fed's last chance at a Major. He needs to take the first two sets, because I don't think he can go 5 sets with the Djoker.

[enayes]

Rooting for Fed today. I was surprised to see Joker at only a slight favorite, was expecting him to be a 2-1 fav, but odds on Fed were around +108. Shows how great he still is.

[Maga_1]

Hingis was certainly one her way to all-time greatness before the hip injuries. You can't count doubles titles like you do singles titles though... it's a completely different sport.



Tomorrow may be Fed's last chance at a Major. He needs to take the first two sets, because I don't think he can go 5 sets with the Djoker.

Question.
Do you normaly watch doubles?
I started watching like last year, it's pretty good sometimes. It's way more technical at some standpoints.

Yea, the key to this match will be if Federer can win it in 3 or 4... i don't think there's a chance at 5 sets.

[plowking]

Question.
Do you normaly watch doubles?
I started watching like last year, it's pretty good sometimes. It's way more technical at some standpoints.

Yea, the key to this match will be if Federer can win it in 3 or 4... i don't think there's a chance at 5 sets.

Djoker's stamina over 5 is overrated IMO, especially against a big hitter like Federer. Fed is the one controlling these baseline rallies, where as Djoker is just usually reciprocating what is happening.

Federer has double the winners, yet simply has more errors. Say what you want, but that catches up to you, and Djoker will eventually start making more errors as he becomes more tired.

Fed is a bad match up for Djoker, he has simply played poorly and been unlucky against Djoker. I mean Djokovic just hit two lob shot winners over Fed that landed on the line.

[plowking]

So many of Djokovic's winners are when he is on the backfoot, and Fed gets caught out at the net at times.

[plowking]

Pretty bad the discrepancy in cheers for the two guys. Fans out there actually rooting for double faults from Djokovic.

In America, the guy behind chasing greatness clearly isn't as popular as the one that has already achieved everything.

[KevinNYC]

This game is amazing. And Joker wins the 20th point as I start typing.

[KevinNYC]

In America, the guy behind chasing greatness clearly isn't as popular as the one that has already achieved everything.

Or perhaps people are cheering an all-time great who is now the underdog. The Goliath who has become the David. The one who has only won one major in five years.

Federer also has a chance to win more US Opens than any other player.

[catch24]

Crowd couldn't be any more one-sided lol

It's easy to root for Federer though. He's a classy champion, and has some of the greatest skills ever.

[plowking]

Or perhaps people are cheering an all-time great who is now the underdog. The Goliath who has become the David. The one who has only won one major in five years.

Federer also has a chance to win more US Opens than any other player.

Not really. Even when Djoker was the underdog all those years back, the crowd was pro Fed.

[plowking]

Crowd couldn't be any more one-sided lol

It's easy to root for Federer though. He's a classy champion, and has some of the greatest skills ever.

The second part can be applied to Djokovic too. It is bizarre to me why one guy has the majority of fans.

[The_Yearning]

Pretty bad the discrepancy in cheers for the two guys. Fans out there actually rooting for double faults from Djokovic.

In America, the guy behind chasing greatness clearly isn't as popular as the one that has already achieved everything.

You should check your country as well.

The crowd is pro Federer in all tournaments.

[Smoke117]

One good thing for Djokovic right now is he's playing pretty average for him...he can up the level of his play so much higher.

[catch24]

The second part can be applied to Djokovic too. It is bizarre to me why one guy has the majority of fans.

Yeah probably. In his prime Fed played beautiful tennis and was incredibly dominant (arguably the most dominant in the sports history) which is where the admiration from the fans, media and peers came from. Dude made tennis, a skilled-based game, look like childs play. Amazing footwork, strokes, touch, and winner count has made him a crowd favorite.

For me, he still plays the most aesthetic tennis, especially when he's on his A game.

Djoker is the truth, but people have their preferences. Fed has been doing it longer so its more of a respect thing IMO.

[gigantes]

damn... so martina hingis just swept the doubles for women in this major tournament. she won both mixed and women's. maybe if she had strapped on a dildo and faked a blood test she could have won all three...?

...

federer is amazing and it's awesome to see him have such an impressive resurgence, but i still hope the djoker pulls through. if i was in the crowd tonight i would be roaring loudly for him... otherwise i would be roaring for the fed against everyone other than agassi. i heard that guy's retired, tho.

[Smoke117]

These fans are obnoxious...

[gigantes]

Not really. Even when Djoker was the underdog all those years back, the crowd was pro Fed.
exactly. fed is the mozart of tennis, and somehow that (and other factors?) translated to fan appreciation.

sometimes that's the case in life... sometimes not.

a couple years ago i read a breakdown of fed's usage and changes of grips for every stroke. like, apparently his cyborg mind sort of analyses the opponents' stroke on the fly, then quickly goes from eastern-to-western-to-whatever-is-the-perfect-grip-to-respond, then he swings the racquet like he was holding that grip the entire time.

just ridiculous.

[imdaman99]

I think this will be Fed's first non 5 set loss in a slam Final except at the French Open.

[plowking]

Yeah probably. In his prime Fed played beautiful tennis and was incredibly dominant (arguably the most dominant in the sports history) which is where the admiration from the fans, media and peers came from. Dude made tennis, a skilled-based game, look like childs play. Amazing footwork, strokes, touch, and winner count has made him a crowd favorite.

For me, he still plays the most aesthetic tennis, especially when he's on his A game.

Djoker is the truth, but people have their preferences. Fed has been doing it longer so its more of a respect thing IMO.

I think Djokovic reached a level of play in 2011 that Fed hasn't reached. Currently, he is far too defensive for me, and often gets caught out playing too far behind the baseline.

For me today, there really hasn't been that much difference in who the better player was. Fed simply couldn't convert on the more break points he garnered, where as Djokovic always seems to take his.

I mean, even now, serving for the match, you can sense there is a little instability in his service game. Nothing ever feels like a sure thing with him like it did in 2011, yet this is probably on par with his 2011 year statistically. He dominates all the big servers with no ground game, and grinders like himself, but the guys who can play the ground strokes like Fed and Murray, and actually have power he really does seem to struggle against.


And as I type, Fed breaks back...

[plowking]

Barely... lol.

Looked more like holding on than winning.

I seriously think his game has changed for the worse. If he could do now what he was doing in 2011... no one would be close, particularly with Nadal and Fed declining.

[Legends66NBA7]

The second part can be applied to Djokovic too. It is bizarre to me why one guy has the majority of fans.

Federer has been around longer and is the more decorated player.

[Maga_1]

I don't know what game where you watching Plowking, Federer won most of his points on missing returns by Djokovic not in long rallies :confusedshrug:

I don't know why Djokovic doesn't explore more Federer's forehand, it's clearly is weakness right now...but yea, that's me speaking on the couch.

Djokovic can achieve great great things, i can only see Federer performing at somewhat close to this level maybe another year and after that it's Djokovic time to stay healthy and get better at technical standpoints to mask his future physical decline.

Federer's game is the most aesthetical i've ever seen but right now it can't sustain the all around game of Nole! :cheers:

[Maga_1]

US Open fans are now just tied with Australian Open for the most obnoxious ones! Cheering for 1st serves :banghead:

[plowking]

US Open fans are now just tied with Australian Open for the most obnoxious ones! Cheering for 1st serves :banghead:

French is the worst, then US, then Aussie.

[imdaman99]

Federer's game is the most aesthetical i've ever seen but right now it can't sustain the all around game of Nole! :cheers:
Even so, this is not prime Fed, not even close. Only 1 man was a challenge to prime Fed. Of course peak Djokovic came around once Fed was past his prime, so it's a game of what ifs.

Congrats to Djoko's fans. Well deserved :applause:

[Maga_1]

French is the worst, then US, then Aussie.

There's a difference between being obnoxious and not cheering or enjoying tennis!
French guys just don't cheer how they should. US and Aussies are really obnoxious this last few years.

[Maga_1]

Even so, this is not prime Fed, not even close. Only 1 man was a challenge to prime Fed. Of course peak Djokovic came around once Fed was past his prime, so it's a game of what ifs.

Congrats to Djoko's fans. Well deserved :applause:

It' a game of eras, we all know that!
For me Federer is the best all time (i only count people i actually saw playing) but Djokovic is my favorite player ever and who knows? Maybe at the end he can compete for the top spot as best ever.

[plowking]

6 titles in the next 3 years is very doable for Djoker, particularly with Fed's decline and Nadal falling off too.

Gonna be interesting to see how public opinion of Djoker changes if he gets up past Nadal and starts testing the waters of 17 titles himself.

[enayes]

Prediction: This will be Novak's last slam win.

Prediction: Gasquet wins the Australian Open.

Prediction: Federer retires at the end of 2016.

Prediction: Nadal wins French and Wimbledon.

Prediction: Marat Safin makes a comeback.

Prediction: Novak breaks his ankle during the Barclays Finals.

[plowking]

Prediction: This will be Novak's last slam win.

Prediction: Gasquet wins the Australian Open.

Prediction: Federer retires at the end of 2016.

Prediction: Nadal wins French and Wimbledon.

Prediction: Marat Safin makes a comeback.

Prediction: Novak breaks his ankle during the Barclays Finals.

Great breakdown from a Nadal fan.

Predicting an injury. Good for you.

[enayes]

Great breakdown from a Nadal fan.

Predicting an injury. Good for you.

My prediction is based off of the bad slip Novak had tonight. His footwork has been on a steady decline and I fear for his safety.

[bdreason]

Djoker is just too good defensively. He's able to neutralize Fed's serve and get to shots that most players can't. Props to Djoker on another GS.

[Sarcastic]

Even so, this is not prime Fed, not even close. Only 1 man was a challenge to prime Fed. Of course peak Djokovic came around once Fed was past his prime, so it's a game of what ifs.

Congrats to Djoko's fans. Well deserved :applause:


Fed's prime coincided with no one else's prime, except Lleyton Hewitt's decline. Grats :applause:

[dunksby]

Novak now has a case for GOAT tennis player, dude has beaten the beast that Roger has become this year in Wimbledon and US Open. I couldn't believe how savagely he dismantled this new version of Federer that has had everyone in awe especially since Wimbledon.

[bdreason]

Novak now has a case for GOAT tennis player, dude has beaten the beast that Roger has become this year in Wimbledon and US Open. I couldn't believe how savagely he dismantled this new version of Federer that has had everyone in awe especially since Wimbledon.


All Fed has done is increased his aggression (to shorten points), and mastered his serve. Unfortunately, Djoker may be the best returner of serve in the history of the game, and coming to net against him is suicide. The crazy thing about Djoker's defense is that he takes full swings most of the time, and can place the ball cross-court or up-the-line with precision and power.

If Novak can continue his current dominance for a couple more years, he'll certainly create a spot for himself in the GOAT category.

[dunksby]

All Fed has done is increased his aggression (to shorten points), and mastered his serve. Unfortunately, Djoker may be the best returner of serve in the history of the game, and coming to net against him is suicide. The crazy thing about Djoker's defense is that he takes full swings most of the time, and can place the ball cross-court or up-the-line with precision and power.

If Novak can continue his current dominance for a couple more years, he'll certainly create a spot for himself in the GOAT category.
Just like after Wimbledon, Federer fans retreat, before the finals Roger was a god, an irresistible force. But after being wrecked by Novak he is just an old man who worked on his game a bit :roll:
How about you read your own posts pre finals in both this thread and the Wimbledon one?

[bdreason]

Just like after Wimbledon, Federer fans retreat, before the finals Roger was a god, an irresistible force. But after being wrecked by Novak he is just an old man who worked on his game a bit :roll:
How about you read your own posts pre finals in both this thread and the Wimbledon one?


I clearly stated that beating Djoker was an uphill battle, despite Feds wizardry. I even said Fed had to win the first two sets, because he wasn't going to beat Djoker in 5.

[dunksby]

I clearly stated that beating Djoker was an uphill battle, despite Feds wizardry. I even said Fed had to win the first two sets, because he wasn't going to beat Djoker in 5.
Yes, because that's a stamina issue not form related, btw:
"I should have never been down in the first place two sets to one and 5-2". "Surely I am very disappointed," Federer said. "I had my chances on my racket."
"I am playing a good year. I'm playing good tennis," said Federer. "I am happy with where my level is at. I'm able to be consistent, very consistent. Cincinnati obviously was a great feeling beating world number one (Djokovic) and world number two (Andy Murray) in the same week. I don't think I have done that before."
So Federer himself was there to win and fancied his chances, just like all his fans did because of his amazing form this year, and the fact that just like Wimbledon the crowd was all behind Roger, backs Novak's case for playing GOAT tennis. His number of GS wins is still not too many, but his level of play definitely is.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I saw the match between Murray and Djokovic. The general public rated him and Agassi neck and neck as best returners in history. Agassi often went for bigger gambles but Djokovic is probably the most versatile returner in tennis history.

[stalkerforlife]

I feel so bad for Federer. Dude just can't win a major anymore.

Still the GOAT.

[Fudge]

I feel so bad for Federer. Dude just can't win a major anymore.

Still the GOAT.
Can you re-post your videos, bro? I missed out on them.

[stalkerforlife]

Can you re-post your videos, bro? I missed out on them.

Welcome back, brother. I still love you. But you ended the videos with your threats on my family. Not that CPS could do anything, considering my babies are well taken care of, but we don't need the hassle.

God bless.

[Fudge]

Welcome back, brother. I still love you. But you ended the videos with your threats on my family. Not that CPS could do anything, considering my babies are well taken care of, but we don't need the hassle.

God bless.
:biggums:

[Maga_1]

Prediction: This will be Novak's last slam win. :roll:

Prediction: Gasquet wins the Australian Open. :roll: :roll:

Prediction: Federer retires at the end of 2016. (That depends on the year)

Prediction: Nadal wins French and Wimbledon. :lol :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm :banghead:

Prediction: Marat Safin makes a comeback. :sleeping

Prediction: Novak breaks his ankle during the Barclays Finals. :wtf:

Nadal is done!

[ArbitraryWater]

Couldn't find the whole match (can't torrent), luckily/best I did were HD YT Highlights, no spoilers...

honestly rooting for Fed, Djokovic is coasting against weak top competition at the moment. Fed is GOAT'ing.

And dude come back so amazingly in the 4th :( should have tied that thing up at 5 all..

[ArbitraryWater]

2011 Djokovic was GOAT level, now he's passive, even boring... his game isn't nearly as exciting as Rafa plays it.

He's gonna rack up heavy titles, will probably go down as 2# or 3# GOAT, I fear too many idiots will put him above Rafa.

[The_Yearning]

6 titles in the next 3 years is very doable for Djoker, particularly with Fed's decline and Nadal falling off too.

Gonna be interesting to see how public opinion of Djoker changes if he gets up past Nadal and starts testing the waters of 17 titles himself.

Don't see him winning 6 in 3 years titles when he's losing to guys like Stan.

[Smoke117]

2011 Djokovic was GOAT level, now he's passive, even boring... his game isn't nearly as exciting as Rafa plays it.

He's gonna rack up heavy titles, will probably go down as 2# or 3# GOAT, I fear too many idiots will put him above Rafa.

lol...take away Nadal's clay court achievements and Djokovic is better, period. He's a far superior player at their best on the most common used surface: hard court. That he's been able to coast against the competition is indicative of how great he is. People always praise Federer, but when he was at the top he was beating guys whose names would bring a "who?" response for a lot of his slam titles. Djokovic has been the best player in the world for four years now while beating much tougher competition.

[Smoke117]

Don't see him winning 6 in 3 years titles when he's losing to guys like Stan.

...yeah because winning the three other slam titles and making the French Open finals...that isn't dominant or anything. He would be lucky to win one title next season, eh? :facepalm The disrespect for Djokovic will never stop apparently.

Djokovic is basically in the same boat Sampras was...he was never liked either. He came up and started putting a lot of the old guard away and people didn't like that so he pretty much was a "villain" up until he got older and stopped dominating. He experienced a couple years as a fan favorite when he was past his peak and prime, but he never enjoyed any fan support aside from that. Federer has had the luxury of always having the fans adulation while attaining most of his slam titles beating nobodies.

[The_Yearning]

...yeah because winning the three other slam titles and making the French Open finals...that isn't dominant or anything. He would be lucky to win one title next season, eh? :facepalm The disrespect for Djokovic will never stop apparently.

Djokovic is basically in the same boat Sampras was...he was never liked either. He came up and started putting a lot of the old guard away and people didn't like that so he pretty much was a "villain" up until he got older and stopped dominating. He experienced a couple years as a fan favorite when he was past his peak and prime, but he never enjoyed any fan support aside from that. Federer has had the luxury of always having the fans adulation while attaining most of his slam titles beating nobodies.

This is how I know you're a bandwagoner that doesn't know shit.

After winning 3 slams in 2011, Novak only won 1 grand slam per year for the next three years, totaling only 3 slams in three years.

Roger Federer did what Novak did this year back to back during his prime.

Novak has yet to prove he was ever on prime Fed's level and the numbers don't lie.

[dunksby]

This is how I know you're a bandwagoner that doesn't know shit.

After winning 3 slams in 2011, Novak only won 1 grand slam per year for the next three years, totaling only 3 slams in three years.

Roger Federer did what Novak did this year back to back during his prime.

Novak has yet to prove he was ever on prime Fed's level and the numbers don't lie.

Most matches played at Grand Slams (14)
Only pair in Open Era history to have met 9 times in Grand Slam semifinals
Only pair in Open Era history to have met 30 times on hard courts
Open Era record of 6 matches played against each other at the US Open
Open Era record of 5 consecutive matches played against each other at one Slam (at the US Open)
Head to head total 21-21
Head to head in Grand Slams 8-6 for Djokovic
Agreed, numbers don't lie.

[Smoke117]

This is how I know you're a bandwagoner that doesn't know shit.

After winning 3 slams in 2011, Novak only won 1 grand slam per year for the next three years, totaling only 3 slams in three years.

Roger Federer did what Novak did this year back to back during his prime.

Novak has yet to prove he was ever on prime Fed's level and the numbers don't lie.

...right. I"ve been a Djoker fan since 2007. Like I said before...Federer got a majority of those slam titles during a weak era beating a who's who's list of nobodies.

[plowking]

2011 Djokovic was GOAT level, now he's passive, even boring... his game isn't nearly as exciting as Rafa plays it.

He's gonna rack up heavy titles, will probably go down as 2# or 3# GOAT, I fear too many idiots will put him above Rafa.

He is already better than Rafa, so what is the problem?

If anyones game suffers the most playing in any era, it is Rafa.

[enayes]

There should be ZERO GOAT discussion regarding Djokovic. He is simply NOT there. And before I get called a Nadal fanboy, I don't consider Nadal to be in the GOAT discussion either. Nadal has been my favorite player since 2005 and I love the guy but his wins are too overwhelmingly on clay to be considered.

Federer is the GOAT. He is the clear GOAT. There is no one else in his league.

Djokovic may get there someday, but I don't think he will. He has to have 2 more seasons similar to 2011 to be considered.

And as far as the fans go, there is a reason that Federer and Nadal are liked more highly than Novak. Fed and Nadal are great champions, likable guys, fun to watch. Djokovic on the other hand comes off as rude and arrogant. Fans don't like that. US Open fans took it too far last night cheering when he would fault on a serve but I don't feel bad for him. He will never be a fan favorite.

[jamal99]

Djokovic seems rude and arrogant? Man, you don't know jack shit...

[imdaman99]

This is why Nadal is and will always be more popular than Djokovic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gcy31SJHUc

BTW, it's a commercial of him taking off his clothes so you've been warned :lol

[Vaniiiia]

Joker will always be the under appreciated villain.... which is fine.

But to act like he's not on pace to become GOAT is just denial.

He's gonna break Federers record and there's nothing you idiots can do about it.

Maybe Nadal should go gluten free like Novak did. Novak went the extra mile... something Nadal and many others don't have the discipline for. Diet matters. A lot.

Nadal is on record saying he eats basically whatever he wants... whatever tastes good. Sad.

[The_Yearning]

Djokovic seems rude and arrogant? Man, you don't know jack shit...

There's a lot of reasons people don't like Djokovic. Earlier on his career he was too busy being the Djoker and impersonating other players that you really couldn't take him seriously as a champion. As for the US Open, after that drama with Andy Roddick, Novak won't be a favorite there for quite some time.

Also, Novak has the worst fashion sense out of Nadal and Federer. Maybe it's because he wears Uniqlo and not Nike, Adidas and not Nike, etc. who knows. He just doesn't look aesthetically pleasing out there. He's always shouting at his box, his fans, the ball boys and ball girls, etc.

Dude really needs to grow up.

[The_Yearning]

...right. I"ve been a Djoker fan since 2007. Like I said before...Federer got a majority of those slam titles during a weak era beating a who's who's list of nobodies.

Riiiiight... so how is Novak going to win 6 in 3 years again?

[Vaniiiia]

There's a lot of reasons people don't like Djokovic. Earlier on his career he was too busy being the Djoker and impersonating other players that you really couldn't take him seriously as a champion. As for the US Open, after that drama with Andy Roddick, Novak won't be a favorite there for quite some time.

Also, Novak has the worst fashion sense out of Nadal and Federer. Maybe it's because he wears Uniqlo and not Nike, Adidas and not Nike, etc. who knows. He just doesn't look aesthetically pleasing out there. He's always shouting at his box, his fans, the ball boys and ball girls, etc.

Dude really needs to grow up.
I think he looks classy and professional.

Nadal was always too flashy for my taste. Picks his butt like a damn animal too.

[dude77]

djokovic is a nasty opponent right now .. he literally returns everything .. everything everything .. you can't get shit past him .. imagine how frustrating that must be .. his all around game is just on point .. and don't try drop shots on him .. it's point suicide .. assuming he stays focused and doesn't get injured, he's gonna creep up on federer's slam count .. I didn't think he would even catch nadal before, but he's easily in sight now

[Legends66NBA7]

Fed's prime coincided with no one else's prime, except Lleyton Hewitt's decline. Grats :applause:

Yeah, good point. He should have just lost all those matches and ended up a bum.

[enayes]

Djokovic seems rude and arrogant? Man, you don't know jack shit...

compared to Fed and Nadal, YES

he's just not a very likable guy and his style of play if too "ordinary" to attract casual fans

I actually play tennis so I can appreciate Novak's style, he's obviously a great player but he doesn't do anything special and he's not that fun to watch IMO

[ArbitraryWater]

I was wrong with Djokovic 'coasting', he's feasting on this competition
. Not dominating shit.

Grandpa Fed tought this boy for a while there.

2013.Rafa whopped 2013 Djoker.. 2015 Djoker ain't any better than 2012-2014 Djoker.

And yes, 2 titles a year is easily sustainable.

[ArbitraryWater]

Fed may have played weak competition, but he absolutely shredded it...and kept winning for a good bit after 2007.

For a 4 year span he won just about every Slam but the French.

Fed and Rafa are the 2 GOATs.

As players and persons.

[plowking]

compared to Fed and Nadal, YES

he's just not a very likable guy and his style of play if too "ordinary" to attract casual fans

I actually plan tennis so I can appreciate Novak's style, he's obviously a great player but he doesn't do anything special and he's not that fun to watch IMO

Djoker's style is too ordinary? :oldlol:

Even now in his more defensive approach compared to 2011, he is a far more offensive oriented version of Nadal. His style is one that could actually transfer on the faster courts, and he is right up there on the slower courts.

Fed>Djoker>Nadal.

Nadal isn't even better than Sampras, and people are acting as if he is right there with Fed.

[ArbitraryWater]

When exactly did Djokovic surpass Rafa as a player? He's never been his 2011 self... 2008 Rafa destroys him at Wimbledon and the French, 2009 and 2010 Rafa beats him anywhere. 2013 Rafa ACTUALLY beat him, and 2012 Rafa lost barely in the longest GS Final ever, against a Djoker coming right off his peak.

[gigantes]

djoker's one of the nicest guys in the game. if you think otherwise then you have issues, which are ultimately probably part of the fan-psychology of sports and the traditional 'us against them' mentality.

in the real world, nole is a gentlemen with a great sense of humor to pretty much everyone, except to random fans and ballboys. then he's like your long-lost friend. you know the stuff i'm talking about? he seems to REALLY like entertaining ppl and/or making ppl happy, which i admire a lot.

his greatest enemies...? gotta be the occasional racket, the ground surface and the air. he absolutely DOES lose his cool sometimes and takes it out on those poor unfortunates.

the idea that djoker is a "villain" is one of the most idiotic idea in sports... maybe not surprising because sports is filled to the gills with idiotic ideas and know-nothing blowhards filling the air with noise.

side note: IMO pretty much ALL the top guys are cool, smart dudes. maybe because players learned some history from the likes of nastase, connors and mcenroe..... up until such modern goofballs as krygios and tomic.

...

having said that, i seriously question whether the djoker be able to match fed's 17 singles majors or laver's 19 singles majors.

IMO the main reason is because his style of game has often led to him taking down one badass in a grueling five-setter the day before the final, then showing up too drained against the last badass standing to seal the deal.

i mean i'm not an expert on scheduling and draws and stuff, but i have seen that happen to him lots of times against a guy who got one more day of rest. i assume it's just random and bad luck for him, but it's a shame.

but yeah i think an extra day of rest amongst tennis' elite can easily be enough to swing the match in favor of the natural underdog. even against the top dog. not to mention, if you got to the final and earned that extra day of rest, then you're also pretty much playing like the elite of elites, too.

[enayes]

Djoker's style is too ordinary? :oldlol:

Even now in his more defensive approach compared to 2011, he is a far more offensive oriented version of Nadal. His style is one that could actually transfer on the faster courts, and he is right up there on the slower courts.

Fed>Djoker>Nadal.

Nadal isn't even better than Sampras, and people are acting as if he is right there with Fed.

:oldlol:

Sampras' name doesn't even deserved to be mentioned. He was a serve and volley player that literally COULD NOT compete on clay. Nadal has beaten the top competition on ALL surfaces time and time again.

Sampras..:no:

[Maga_1]

compared to Fed and Nadal, YES

he's just not a very likable guy and his style of play if too "ordinary" to attract casual fans

I actually play tennis so I can appreciate Novak's style, he's obviously a great player but he doesn't do anything special and he's not that fun to watch IMO

Let's just totally pretend that Djokovic isn't the GOAT returner in Tennis :oldlol:

[Maga_1]

Riiiiight... so how is Novak going to win 6 in 3 years again?

Who do you think will win Majors in the next 3 years? Straight question!
Do you think that Nadal still has something left? Federer will still be in condition probably the next, not sure about the other two years
Murray and his mental lapses?
Stan is not young too and his game takes a tool on him.
Dimitrov? Cilic? Nishikori? Kyrgios? Tsonga? Monfils? Lopez? Fognini?
One of those guys that try to end games just serving well?

Remember, currently i consider that only Djoko is at his prime who else is?

[Sarcastic]

:oldlol:

Sampras' name doesn't even deserved to be mentioned. He was a serve and volley player that literally COULD NOT compete on clay. Nadal has beaten the top competition on ALL surfaces time and time again.

Sampras..:no:


Sampras would destroy on Nadal on every other surface though, and especially on grass & carpet, where he is the GOAT.

[Mr. Jabbar]

how on earth is Djokovic less likeable than federer :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

djoker's one of the nicest guys in the game. if you think otherwise then you have issues

ffs.. this is such a bad way of arguing, actually a fallacy... let people have their opinions.

[Jasi]

Who do you think will win Majors in the next 3 years? Straight question!
Do you think that Nadal still has something left? Federer will still be in condition probably the next, not sure about the other two years
Murray and his mental lapses?
Stan is not young too and his game takes a tool on him.
Dimitrov? Cilic? Nishikori? Kyrgios? Tsonga? Monfils? Lopez? Fognini?
One of those guys that try to end games just serving well?

Remember, currently i consider that only Djoko is at his prime who else is?

:lol of all people...

The only "hope" for avoiding a one man show after Fed retires is some rising star but for the moment Thiem just doesn't look that great, Dimitrov has had his problems.
Younger prospects that look more promising than those two include Zverev, Coric, Kokkinakis, especially the first, but it's too early to tell where they can reach.

[Jasi]

how on earth is Djokovic less likeable than federer :facepalm

As a person they're both likeable but tennis-wise there's no doubt for me as to who's more enjoyable... Fed is all-court, skilled, powerful, classy, entertaining, everything in one player.

[Maga_1]

:lol of all people...

The only "hope" for avoiding a one man show after Fed retires is some rising star but for the moment Thiem just doesn't look that great, Dimitrov has had his problems.
Younger prospects that look more promising than those two include Zverev, Coric, Kokkinakis, especially the first, but it's too early to tell where they can reach.

I believe that Zverev will be a stud in the future, i have big hopes on that guy really... but in the next 3 years? Too early for him.

If you saw Thiem i have to say Paire, even tho Paire is 26 already.
If Paire wasn't a crazy dude with mental lapses, he would be probably top 10 instead of top 30.

[Jasi]

I believe that Zverev will be a stud in the future, i have big hopes on that guy really... but in the next 3 years? Too early for him.

If you saw Thiem i have to say Paire, even tho Paire is 26 already.
If Paire wasn't a crazy dude with mental lapses, he would be probably top 10 instead of top 30.

No I was talking more long term of course.

Next 3 years you say?
I think Fed next year, maybe 2, will still be up there.
Stan and Murray will surely be there too but they have no upside left to threat Nole.
Nadal is done.
I still hope Dimitrov can mage a big leap and I would love if Goffin (who is the most Federeresque style-wise) did too.

Oh and I still secretly believe that Del Potro can make a huge comeback if he finally overcomes his wrist problems. He would be 30 three years from now.

[Maga_1]

No I was talking more long term of course.

Next 3 years you say?
I think Fed next year, maybe 2, will still be up there.
Stan and Murray will surely be there too but they have no upside left to threat Nole.
Nadal is done.
I still hope Dimitrov can mage a big leap and I would love if Goffin (who is the most Federeresque style-wise) did too.

Oh and I still secretly believe that Del Potro can make a huge comeback if he finally overcomes his wrist problems. He would be 30 three years from now.

I personally like Dimitrov but i can't grasp what's wrong with him, i don't think he can achieve that "elite" level to be feared constantly.
Del Potro is a huge "what if", i really don't know what to expect from now on from him.

[gigantes]

ffs.. this is such a bad way of arguing, actually a fallacy... let people have their opinions.
well i've asked people in the past why they disliked (or hated) the djoker and pretty much every time the reasons replied were nonsense and rubbish. about the best anyone could come up with is that when he was just a young dude he was maybe not as professional in his actions and speech.

okay yeah but we were all sort of like that when we were younger, and we weren't put under a microscope either.

so yeah you're welcome to your opinions, but i'm also welcome to observe that you people have issues. fair deal?