Winds of Change Blowing in FIBA Americas

[JtotheIzzo]

That's right, in the FIBA division that wins gold almost every time out, there is a new team on the rise and they are lookin tough.


Andrew Wiggins scored 18 points as Canada's men's national team opened the 2015 Tuto Marchand Continental Cup in Puerto Rico with a 85-80 victory over Argentina.

Wiggins went 6 for 13 from the field with a pair of threes in his senior team debut while Anthony Bennett, of the NBA's Minnesota Timberwolves, added 10 points and 13 rebounds.

Toronto Raptors forward Luis Scola led Argentina with 23 points.

The Canadians pushed their advantage to as many as 15 points in the third quarter before Argentina started to heat up. The Argentines were able to rally and tie the game late in the fourth before Wiggins played the role of closer, hitting a baseline jump-shot with 26 seconds left. Dwight Powell, of the Dallas Mavericks, sealed the win with two free throws in the final seconds.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/canada-rising/andrew-wiggins-leads-canada-over-argentina-at-tuto-marchand-tournament-1.3201233

[JtotheIzzo]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/basketball/bennett-powell-lead-canada-over-brazil-at-tuto-marchand-cup/article26087650/

[QUOTE]Anthony Bennett poured in 16 points to lead the Canadian men

[RidonKs]

http://cdn-jpg.si.com/sites/default/files/si/dam/assets/13/06/28/130628133606-nba-draft-2013-team-grades-anthony-bennett-single-image-cut.jpg

bennett finding that comfort zone



pan-am highlights v brazil (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb0zuBOnKzw)

check the step backs, footwork around the hoop, using his size against smaller guys, good stuff. man how much of a shame is it that wiggins, bennett, thompson weren't allowed to grow up together in cleveland.

stupid bran

:coleman:


edit: really strong spin then jumper at 4:10 then right after a block at one end and ally-oop down at the other :eek:
edit 2: that video is from a different tournament lol

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron, KD, Anthony Davis

feat Curry, Harden, Westbrook

I'm not worried at all.

[JtotheIzzo]

http://cdn-jpg.si.com/sites/default/files/si/dam/assets/13/06/28/130628133606-nba-draft-2013-team-grades-anthony-bennett-single-image-cut.jpg

bennett finding that comfort zone



pan-am highlights v brazil (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb0zuBOnKzw)

check the step backs, footwork around the hoop, using his size against smaller guys, good stuff. man how much of a shame is it that wiggins, bennett, thompson weren't allowed to grow up together in cleveland.

stupid bran

:coleman:


edit: really strong spin then jumper at 4:10 then right after a block at one end and ally-oop down at the other :eek:
edit 2: that video is from a different tournament lol


Not the same game, those highlights were the Pan AM Games, yesterday's game was with a full TC squad (minus Thompson).

Bennett looking fit though, this summer will help him next season.

[JtotheIzzo]

LeBron, KD, Anthony Davis

feat Curry, Harden, Westbrook

I'm not worried at all.

Everyone else is playing for Silver, but in 2020, we taking this.

[Euroleague]

You do realize that's a 2nd tier team for Argentina and a 3rd tier team for Brazil right?

And the tournament you are talking about is a FRIENDLY tournament - you do realize that right?

Why are you bragging about Canada beating like a 3rd tier Brazil selection by 16 points?

Is that supposed to be impressive or something? They should have beat them by like 25-30 points.

They only beat that Argentine team by 5? REALLY? That's Argentina without like 7-8 of their best players.

If that is the best Canada can do, consider me very unimpressed.

[BurningHammer]

Can we say Team Canada is #2 behind Team USA in America continent right now?

[Lebron23]

Can we say Team Canada is #2 behind Team USA in America continent right now?


Yes, They officially surpassed Argentina.

[Cocaine80s]

Everyone else is playing for Silver, but in 2020, we taking this.
Not a damn chance

[kwajo]

Sick. I'm pumped for the future of Team Canada suck it hockey

[Euroleague]

Yes, They officially surpassed Argentina.

How the hell are they better than Brazil?

And just beating Argentina by 5, when Argentina missed a whole bunch of their main players isn't exactly showing a whole lot. That's a quite pathetic result, considering Argentina had a better team at World Cup last summer and was getting pounded by any decent team.

If they were a really good team they should be crushing teams like the ones Argentina and Brazil are playing with right now.

I mean freaking Brazil has like 3rd level players out there at much of the roster.

No way in hell are they beating Brazil's best players right now in an elimination game with the level they are playing at.

And that's the argument being made here, "being 2nd best in the region", isn't about how you do when teams are sending lower level teams. It's how each team stacks up against each other.

Otherwise, you could claim Mexico was the best team of the western Hemisphere.

Canada has a ways to go before they are beating Brazil's top players in an important knockout game.

[qrich]

How the hell are they better than Brazil?

The question is,

Are they better than Nigeria?

[Euroleague]

The question is,

Are they better than Nigeria?

You are one of the lamest trolls on the forum. Zero originality, zero creativity, and always the same exact 3 troll attacks, which also always happen to be RACIST.

[JtotheIzzo]

You do realize that's a 2nd tier team for Argentina and a 3rd tier team for Brazil right?

And the tournament you are talking about is a FRIENDLY tournament - you do realize that right?

Why are you bragging about Canada beating like a 3rd tier Brazil selection by 16 points?

Is that supposed to be impressive or something? They should have beat them by like 25-30 points.

They only beat that Argentine team by 5? REALLY? That's Argentina without like 7-8 of their best players.

If that is the best Canada can do, consider me very unimpressed.

Thought you were meant to be knowledgeable in FIBA? Those are their top squads, this tournament is a warm up for the Olympic qualifiers which start in less than 5 days.

There is an internet you know, you should learn how to use it.


Canada just knocked off DR and PR the last two days to go for 4 wins in 4 nights, not an easy task by any means.

first time the squad has played together, 4 straight wins, great play from Ejim, Bennett and Wiggins.

14 starters, 22 Lettermen, loooookin TOUGH!

[FatComputerNerd]

Bennett = future GOAT

[KnittingRyu]

Can't read too much into this went old Scola is dropping 23.

[JtotheIzzo]

Can't read too much into this went old Scola is dropping 23.

Really, can't read much into it?

This is the Argentinian team, qualifiers start in a few days. Also, it isn't winning the game that is impressive, it is winning four in four days, very hard to do even if you are a better squad.

Also, this is the first time Canada has had the majority of their best players playing together (Tristan Thompson, Jamal Murray and Trey Lyles will be on the Olympic team I am betting) since 2000. And in the 2000 Sydney Olympics we went 4-1 and won our group.

Canada has always produced a ton of bball talent, Canadians play as imports in top leagues around the world in large numbers and now the NBA.

Having our best playing together for the first time in 15 years is exciting, hopefully we keep it up and qualify.

[Euroleague]

Thought you were meant to be knowledgeable in FIBA? Those are their top squads, this tournament is a warm up for the Olympic qualifiers which start in less than 5 days.

There is an internet you know, you should learn how to use it.


Canada just knocked off DR and PR the last two days to go for 4 wins in 4 nights, not an easy task by any means.

first time the squad has played together, 4 straight wins, great play from Ejim, Bennett and Wiggins.

14 starters, 22 Lettermen, loooookin TOUGH!

If you think those are Brazil's top players...................

https://media3.giphy.com/media/cAdUEmeVGCLTy/200.gif

[Euroleague]

Really, can't read much into it?

This is the Argentinian team, qualifiers start in a few days. Also, it isn't winning the game that is impressive, it is winning four in four days, very hard to do even if you are a better squad.

Also, this is the first time Canada has had the majority of their best players playing together (Tristan Thompson, Jamal Murray and Trey Lyles will be on the Olympic team I am betting) since 2000. And in the 2000 Sydney Olympics we went 4-1 and won our group.

Canada has always produced a ton of bball talent, Canadians play as imports in top leagues around the world in large numbers and now the NBA.

Having our best playing together for the first time in 15 years is exciting, hopefully we keep it up and qualify.

If you want to talk up your national team that is fine. But don't skew and twist facts.

Brazil is playing with like a 3rd tier level team for them. It's not even like a 2nd level selection.

And even Argentina isn't sending it's top team either.

Just say what is true. Canada is winning, you think they can win the tournament, etc.

No reason to go NBA Canada only fan and start saying stuff that isn't true though. Brazil is ALREADY in the Olympics, and it's obvious that tournament is nothing more than a total joke to them, based on the team they sent.

USA has NEVER and I mean NEVER sent a selection that low in it's history ever.

And this forum's NBA only fans called their 2014 team the "C" team.

If that is true, then by comparison, this Brazil selection is like an "E" or "F" team.


The point is, it's not really impressive to beat a team from Brazil that is full of guys at Eurocup level, mid level European domestic leagues from small teams, NCAA level, and guys playing in solely Latin American leagues.

I mean it's a team good enough that it would win the NCAA, but by comparison, it would win ZERO games - ZERO at the EuroBasket.

So keep some perspective. If you are using this as a way to judge the level of Canada's team, or how you think they could do if they were at the Olympics, then you certainly don't know FIBA basketball at all.

I am sure that Triano knows fully well that they are not playing against any serious teams, or teams probably even trying right now either.

[Rooster]

Really, can't read much into it?

This is the Argentinian team, qualifiers start in a few days. Also, it isn't winning the game that is impressive, it is winning four in four days, very hard to do even if you are a better squad.

Also, this is the first time Canada has had the majority of their best players playing together (Tristan Thompson, Jamal Murray and Trey Lyles will be on the Olympic team I am betting) since 2000. And in the 2000 Sydney Olympics we went 4-1 and won our group.

Canada has always produced a ton of bball talent, Canadians play as imports in top leagues around the world in large numbers and now the NBA.

Having our best playing together for the first time in 15 years is exciting, hopefully we keep it up and qualify.

I think it's just a matter of time. Canucks are increasingly producing quality NBA players faster than any other nation except us of course. Once those young guys learn how to play together and fit their game accordingly, they will be like our USA C Team and they gonna murder everyone sans USA by 30 points .:applause:

[Euroleague]

I think it's just a matter of time. Canucks are increasingly producing quality NBA players faster than any other nation except us of course. Once those young guys learn how to play together and fit their game accordingly, they will be like our USA C Team and they gonna murder everyone sans USA by 30 points .:applause:

You are Australian. Stop pretending to be American.

[Lebowski]

You are Australian. Stop pretending to be American.

Haha, that is funny coming from you!

[JtotheIzzo]

If you want to talk up your national team that is fine. But don't skew and twist facts.

Brazil is playing with like a 3rd tier level team for them. It's not even like a 2nd level selection.

And even Argentina isn't sending it's top team either.

Just say what is true. Canada is winning, you think they can win the tournament, etc.

No reason to go NBA Canada only fan and start saying stuff that isn't true though. Brazil is ALREADY in the Olympics, and it's obvious that tournament is nothing more than a total joke to them, based on the team they sent.

USA has NEVER and I mean NEVER sent a selection that low in it's history ever.

And this forum's NBA only fans called their 2014 team the "C" team.

If that is true, then by comparison, this Brazil selection is like an "E" or "F" team.


The point is, it's not really impressive to beat a team from Brazil that is full of guys at Eurocup level, mid level European domestic leagues from small teams, NCAA level, and guys playing in solely Latin American leagues.

I mean it's a team good enough that it would win the NCAA, but by comparison, it would win ZERO games - ZERO at the EuroBasket.

So keep some perspective. If you are using this as a way to judge the level of Canada's team, or how you think they could do if they were at the Olympics, then you certainly don't know FIBA basketball at all.

I am sure that Triano knows fully well that they are not playing against any serious teams, or teams probably even trying right now either.

USA is not in the tournament, they automatically qualified, and the tournament starts in 3 days. These aren't the Pan Am rosters, the teams have added players since then. Tuto Marchand is a prep tourney for Mexico FIBA Americas which starts in 3 days.

Qualifying is all that matters, and winning a lot of games, we have most of our best players playing together for the first time in 15 years.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Everyone else is playing for Silver, but in 2020, we taking this.
Shouldn't you win something of note first before guaranteeing anything? All because Anthony Bennett is playing well in some FIBA tournaments? We have Anthony Davis, KD, Harden, and Steph Curry. None of these guys you're mentioning are better basketball players.

[Euroleague]

USA is not in the tournament, they automatically qualified, and the tournament starts in 3 days. These aren't the Pan Am rosters, the teams have added players since then. Tuto Marchand is a prep tourney for Mexico FIBA Americas which starts in 3 days.

Qualifying is all that matters, and winning a lot of games, we have most of our best players playing together for the first time in 15 years.

I am going to say it again..............that is nowhere remotely near to being Brazil's actual team.

[JtotheIzzo]

I am going to say it again..............that is nowhere remotely near to being Brazil's actual team.

So you agree everything else you said is wrong.

Thanks
Jizzo

[Euroleague]

So you agree everything else you said is wrong.

Thanks
Jizzo

No. Not at all. But keep believing what you want to believe. It's clear you are an NBA only fan, and just now started watching FIBA, now that Canada has some good players.

That's fine, but you have no clue what you are talking about.

[JtotheIzzo]

No. Not at all. But keep believing what you want to believe. It's clear you are an NBA only fan, and just now started watching FIBA, now that Canada has some good players.

That's fine, but you have no clue what you are talking about.

Complete mis-characterization, even casual posters know otherwise about me. Again, you are fully welcome to point out mistakes I made in posting, if not continue on with your trolling, that is what you are great at.

Qualifiers start Monday.

[Da KO King]

Canada will be a major player in a few years based on this and what they are doing within their National Youth program. They already have another two prospects that have made pro radars in Simi Shittu and Shakur Daniel.

[JtotheIzzo]

Canada will be a major player in a few years based on this and what they are doing within their National Youth program. They already have another two prospects that have made pro radars in Simi Shittu and Shakur Daniel.


Its coming.

We are still missing Tyler Ennis, Tristan Thompson and Trey Lyles from this team.

Add those three and Jamal Murray to next year's squad and tough decisions need to be made, NBAers will get cut, especially if you consider that a guy like Brady Heslip (one of the best shooters on the planet but too slow for the NBA) will likely land a spot.

The team is looking really solid, and this summer jumpstarts the whole process. They haven't played together, they are now, the National Team hasn't had a majority of the best players in uniform since 2000, they do now.

Most importantly we are adding NBAers each and every year now to an already long list:

Joel Anthony

Anthony Bennett

Sim Bhullar

Samuel Dalembert

Melvin Ejim

Tyler Ennis

Cory Joseph

Trey Lyles

Andrew Nicholson

Kelly Olynyk

Dwight Powell

Robert Sacre

Nik Stauskas

Tristan Thompson

Andrew Wiggins

[Dr.J4ever]

Its coming.

We are still missing Tyler Ennis, Tristan Thompson and Trey Lyles from this team.

Add those three and Jamal Murray to next year's squad and tough decisions need to be made, NBAers will get cut, especially if you consider that a guy like Brady Heslip (one of the best shooters on the planet but too slow for the NBA) will likely land a spot.

The team is looking really solid, and this summer jumpstarts the whole process. They haven't played together, they are now, the National Team hasn't had a majority of the best players in uniform since 2000, they do now.

Most importantly we are adding NBAers each and every year now to an already long list:

Joel Anthony

Anthony Bennett

Sim Bhullar

Samuel Dalembert

Melvin Ejim

Tyler Ennis

Cory Joseph

Trey Lyles

Andrew Nicholson

Kelly Olynyk

Dwight Powell

Robert Sacre

Nik Stauskas

Tristan Thompson

Andrew Wiggins

Agreed.

Canada is a rising power. Today, they are a regional threat, but very soon, with more experience and player development at the fiba level, they will inevitably threaten world powers. Players like Wiggins have NBA superstar ceilings and once he gains his confidence could easily propel Canada in the near future.

My personal interest in all this is Nik Stauskas. 76er fans were disappointed a little with the results of their exhibitions because he only had meager stats. What's up with that?

[Euroleague]

Its coming.

We are still missing Tyler Ennis, Tristan Thompson and Trey Lyles from this team.

Add those three and Jamal Murray to next year's squad and tough decisions need to be made, NBAers will get cut, especially if you consider that a guy like Brady Heslip (one of the best shooters on the planet but too slow for the NBA) will likely land a spot.

The team is looking really solid, and this summer jumpstarts the whole process. They haven't played together, they are now, the National Team hasn't had a majority of the best players in uniform since 2000, they do now.

Most importantly we are adding NBAers each and every year now to an already long list:

Joel Anthony

Anthony Bennett

Sim Bhullar

Samuel Dalembert

Melvin Ejim

Tyler Ennis

Cory Joseph

Trey Lyles

Andrew Nicholson

Kelly Olynyk

Dwight Powell

Robert Sacre

Nik Stauskas

Tristan Thompson

Andrew Wiggins

Are you seriously counting him? I mean really?

[Mike Armstrong]

Are you seriously counting him? I mean really?
Yarp.

[JtotheIzzo]

Agreed.

Canada is a rising power. Today, they are a regional threat, but very soon, with more experience and player development at the fiba level, they will inevitably threaten world powers. Players like Wiggins have NBA superstar ceilings and once he gains his confidence could easily propel Canada in the near future.

My personal interest in all this is Nik Stauskas. 76er fans were disappointed a little with the results of their exhibitions because he only had meager stats. What's up with that?


This is his first run with the Senior Men's National Team and his first run in FIBA (I think). I was disappointed he didn't play in the Pan Am Games with Bennett, Nicholson and Bhullar, I thought he might have been able to dominate and build confidence in the international game (the way Bennett did).

He did play a decent amount of minutes (around 20mpg with the team playing everyone each time out) so he is part of the core going forward, I just think he needs to find his role. Shouldn't be hard, I see him as a much better Carl English once he finds his footing.