NBA's top scorers in Isolation plays

[Rose'sACL]

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[AnaheimLakers24]

Melo is a loser

[Hit_Em]

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[Kuantrz]

Crawford is a beast.

[DonDadda59]

Crawford is a beast.

I've said for years he would bust any perimeter player's ass in a 1 on 1. Glad to see the stats back that up, even when he's past prime.

And being that he's so obsessed with stats, hopefully Bran sees this and let's Kyrie 'Batman' Irving do his thing more this season. No more Bron clanks while Kyrie is turned into a spot up shooter.

[Rose'sACL]

people underrate harden and melo so much on this forum. i can even understand hating harden a little bit because he relies a lot on free throws but melo doesn't.


I've said for years he would bust any perimeter player's ass in a 1 on 1. Glad to see the stats back that up, even when he's past prime.

And being that he's so obsessed with stats, hopefully Bran sees this and let's Kyrie 'Batman' Irving do his thing more this season. No more Bron clanks while Kyrie is turned into a spot up shooter.
so according to your logic players shoot the same percentage even if shots are increased?
do you know how to read a graph? there is 2 axis in that graph for a reason.


LeBron: 7 iso per game with 0.95 ppp
kyrie: 3.5 iso per game with 1.08 ppp

[swagga]

I've said for years he would bust any perimeter player's ass in a 1 on 1. Glad to see the stats back that up, even when he's past prime.

And being that he's so obsessed with stats, hopefully Bran sees this and let's Kyrie 'Batman' Irving do his thing more this season. No more Bron clanks while Kyrie is turned into a spot up shooter.

because those isos have nothing to do with lebron being gameplanned so much by the other team that the resulting switches and doubles enable secondary iso possesions with less defensive help, such as the ones irving feasted on this season.

get real son :roll:

[swagga]

people underrate harden and melo so much on this forum. i can even understand hating harden a little bit because he relies a lot on free throws but melo doesn't.


so according to your logic players shoot the same percentage even if shots are increased?
do you know how to read a graph?


LeBron: 7 iso per game with 0.95 ppp
kyrie: 3.5 iso per game with 1.08 ppp

it's hard to read with a picture of MJ magnified tiny dikk in your face tbh.

[DonDadda59]

people underrate harden and melo so much on this forum. i can even understand hating harden a little bit because he relies a lot on free throws but melo doesn't.


so according to your logic players shoot the same percentage even if shots are increased?
do you know how to read a graph? there is 2 axis in that graph for a reason.


LeBron: 7 iso per game with 0.95 ppp
kyrie: 3.5 iso per game with 1.08 ppp

Bruh, we got a lifetime's worth of Bron ISOs in the finals. Shit was not pretty.

His 1 on 1 skills are extremely limited. Kyrie by the stats and by the eye test is a better ISO player.

Is anyone even going to argue that? :biggums:

[Rose'sACL]

Bruh, we got a lifetime's worth of Bron ISOs in the finals. Shit was not pretty.

His 1 on 1 skills are extremely limited. Kyrie by the stats and by the eye test is a better ISO player.

Is anyone even going to argue that? :biggums:
wtf r u talking about? what else were cavs supposed to do in the finals? as soon as lebron got tired and started feeding mozgov because warriors went small, the pace changed completely and warriors just went on a huge run because warriors liked that pace.
all cavs needed was another ball handler who can shoot to win that series. it gets tiring pretty quick when you are the only playmaker on the team plus you are the only player who can create a shot for himself and this was 5th final in a row meaning a lot of minutes. put pippen on last year's team instead of delly in the finals and cavs win in 5 even if pippen only scores 15 ppg.

[DonDadda59]

wtf r u talking about? what else were cavs supposed to do in the finals? as soon as lebron got tired and started feeding mozgov because warriors went small, the pace changed completely and warriors just went on a huge run because warriors liked that pace.
all cavs needed was another ball handler who can shoot to win that series. it gets tiring pretty quick when you are the only playmaker on the team plus you are the only player who can create a shot for himself and this was 5th final in a row meaning a lot of minutes.

Yeah that's great and all, but Kyrie's 1 on 1 scoring skills>>>Bron's.

If Bron isn't swiping left on his defender with his offhand as he barrels into the lane or hitting the occasional 3, there's not much he does well 1 on 1.


because those isos have nothing to do with lebron being gameplanned so much by the other team that the resulting switches and doubles enable secondary iso possesions with less defensive help, such as the ones irving feasted on this season.

The only defense Bron saw in the finals was single coverage with either Harrison Barnes or Andre Igoudala (who straight shut his shit down en route to winning Finals MVP). Don't know what imaginary Finals you were watching where the Warriors were switching and doubling. It was pure, clear out isolation.

[Rose'sACL]

Yeah that's great and all, but Kyrie's 1 on 1 scoring skills>>>Bron's.

If Bron isn't swiping left on his defender with his offhand as he barrels into the lane or hitting the occasional 3, there's not much he does well 1 on 1.
he clearly does better than a lot of guys in the league on a lot of iso shots.




Yeah that's great and all, but Kyrie's 1 on 1 scoring skills>>>Bron's.

If Bron isn't swiping left on his defender with his offhand as he barrels into the lane or hitting the occasional 3, there's not much he does well 1 on 1.



The only defense Bron saw in the finals was single coverage with either Harrison Barnes or Andre Igoudala (who straight shut his shit down en route to winning Finals MVP). Don't know what imaginary Finals you were watching were the Warriors were switching and doubling. It was pure, clear out isolation.
people who watch only 90s ball don't understand that you don't need to double if you can get players to shadowdouble near the paint. go and watch the games. warriors players were standing a lot inside the 3 point line.
when you have TT and mozgov on the floor, you can let iggy play 1-on-1 with lebron because you know you will get to the paint in time as you don't have to stand close to TT and mozgov.

i can't understand how people still don't get why stretch 4s like love are so important in today's league. you can't give a lot of space to love on the perimeter which means that you will be late if lebron or kyrie tries to go to the basket.

[FireDavidKahn]

Giannis...ouch

[DonDadda59]

he clearly does better than a lot of guys in the league on a lot of iso shots.

Again, good random info to know but Kyrie>>>Bron in 1 on 1 scoring skills.

Any more useless info you want to get off your chest? :confusedshrug:

[FireDavidKahn]

Kevin Martin was a huge surprise by me.

[Uncle Drew]

How hilariously good is Kyrie

[aj1987]

Again, good random info to know but Kyrie>>>Bron in 1 on 1 scoring skills.

Any more useless info you want to get off your chest? :confusedshrug:
That's not how it works though.

LeBron - 0.93 PPP on 458 possessions 45.7% FG
Irving - 1.09 PPP on 243 possessions 46.5% FG

Negligible, considering the difference in volume. Or, do you consider Ajinca, Sessions, and Miller to be the 3 best ISO players in the league?

[AnaheimLakers24]

Kyrie aka BATMAN should just do what he did last year, take over his team and lead them to the finals again. Sucks he got injured and cavs had to rely on LeLittle dick

[AnaheimLakers24]

How hilariously good is Kyrie
Greatest cavalier of all time. Big dick kyrie can carry lelittle

[Rocketswin2013]

That's not how it works though.

LeBron - 0.93 PPP on 458 possessions 45.7% FG
Irving - 1.09 PPP on 243 possessions 46.5% FG

Negligible, considering the difference in volume. Or, do you consider Ajinca, Sessions, and Miller to be the 3 best ISO players in the league?
Are you saying roles actually matter when analyzing stats?

[swagga]

Are you saying roles actually matter when analyzing stats?

only when they fit the argument :oldlol:

[JT123]

because those isos have nothing to do with lebron being gameplanned so much by the other team that the resulting switches and doubles enable secondary iso possesions with less defensive help, such as the ones irving feasted on this season.

get real son :roll:
:applause: It's no coincidence that Kyrie had his most efficient season last year. Wade and Bosh also had their most efficient seasons while playing with Bron. He draws so much attention those guys are barely even guarded. :lol

[Rose'sACL]

lebron james always prefers to be doubled instead of being shadow-doubled like today's rules allow. in the 90s, you had to send hard double teams and no shadow doubling was allowed because of illegal defense rules. hard double teams always leave someone open.
this gif is a prime example of how today's rules allow shadow doubling.
http://i.imgur.com/LTSfPny.gif
barnes would have been called for illegal defense in that play.

"knowledgeable" basketball fans still don't get why rule changes and now good defensive schemes to take full advantage of those rules have made stretch 4s so important.

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That's not how it works though.

LeBron - 0.93 PPP on 458 possessions 45.7% FG
Irving - 1.09 PPP on 243 possessions 46.5% FG

Negligible, considering the difference in volume. Or, do you consider Ajinca, Sessions, and Miller to be the 3 best ISO players in the league?
MURDER.

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lebron james always prefers to be doubled instead of being shadow-doubled like today's rules allow. in the 90s, you had to send hard double teams and no shadow doubling was allowed because of illegal defense rules. hard double teams always leave someone open.
this gif is a prime example of how today's rules allow shadow doubling.
http://i.imgur.com/LTSfPny.gif
Bingo. Lebron would THRIVE with hard doubling 90's defense. In his prime I'm sure he could average 33/8/10 on 60%

[JT123]

That's not how it works though.

LeBron - 0.93 PPP on 458 possessions 45.7% FG
Irving - 1.09 PPP on 243 possessions 46.5% FG

Negligible, considering the difference in volume. Or, do you consider Ajinca, Sessions, and Miller to be the 3 best ISO players in the league?
rat poison. LOL at anyone acting like a tired and injured Lebron playing 46 minutes a night represents his true isolation ability.

[ArbitraryWater]

That's not how it works though.

LeBron - 0.93 PPP on 458 possessions 45.7% FG
Irving - 1.09 PPP on 243 possessions 46.5% FG

Negligible, considering the difference in volume. Or, do you consider Ajinca, Sessions, and Miller to be the 3 best ISO players in the league?

Dadda down! DADDA DOWN!

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How many times has donald been DESTROYED this week? Holy Samuels.

Lets wait for him to try and muster a response.

[Rose'sACL]

Bingo. Lebron would THRIVE with hard doubling 90's defense. In his prime I'm sure he could average 33/8/10 on 60%
either lebron's scoring or lebron's assist numbers would have been higher in 80s and even 90s. lebron's game is tailor-made for 80s and 90s defensive rules.

[Fallen Angel]

Harden's 2015 season is so amazing

[DonDadda59]

lebron james always prefers to be doubled instead of being shadow-doubled like today's rules allow. in the 90s, you had to send hard double teams and no shadow doubling was allowed because of illegal defense rules. hard double teams always leave someone open.
this gif is a prime example of how today's rules allow shadow doubling.
http://i.imgur.com/LTSfPny.gif
barnes would have been called for illegal defense in that play.

"knowledgeable" basketball fans still don't get why rule changes and now good defensive schemes to take full advantage of those rules have made stretch 4s so important.

You picked the absolute worst gif possible to try to highlight Bron in an ISO discussion. I've seen players from the 60s in CavFTW's videos who had infinitely better post up ability than that awkward mess of a possession. He looks like he's wearing cement shoes. Dude learned nothing from Hakeem.

And notice how none of the 'shadow' players are ever within 5 feet of Bron. Harrison Barnes keeps having to jump in and out of the paint so he doesn't get a 3-second violation called against him. Bron is in a straight 1 on 1 situation there with no real help.


How many times has donald been DESTROYED this week? Holy Samuels.

Lets wait for him to try and muster a response.

How many FBI forms you fill out today, CI-6?


That's not how it works though.

LeBron - 0.93 PPP on 458 possessions 45.7% FG
Irving - 1.09 PPP on 243 possessions 46.5% FG

Negligible, considering the difference in volume. Or, do you consider Ajinca, Sessions, and Miller to be the 3 best ISO players in the league?

And Irving's numbers across the board are better than Bron. Even if you forget the numbers... Make a case that LeBron James has better 1 on 1 scoring skills than Kyrie Irving.

Be specific.

[Rose'sACL]

You picked the absolute worst gif possible to try to highlight Bron in an ISO discussion. I've seen players from the 60s in CavFTW's videos who had infinitely better post up ability than that awkward mess of a possession. He looks like he's wearing cement shoes. Dude learned nothing from Hakeem.

And notice how none of the 'shadow' players are ever within 5 feet of Bron. Harrison Barnes keeps having to jump in and out of the paint so he doesn't get a 3-second violation called against him. Bron is in a straight 1 on 1 situation there with no real help.



How many FBI forms you fill out today, CI-6?



And Irving's numbers across the board are better than Bron. Even if you forget the numbers... Make a case that LeBron James has better 1 on 1 scoring skills than Kyrie Irving.

Be specific.

whther lebron looks awkward or not is not the point. i clearly showed how shadow-doubling makes it easier to stop scorers who are great passers.
a player like lebron will always welcome hard double teams instead of defenders floating around ready to cover for whoever is guarding lebron. this was not possible in the 90s because of illegal defense rules.
you will never understand the difference between hard double teams and shadow doubling because it will fck with your idea that today's defensive schemes are the best of all time and it is all thanks to no illegal defense rules.

[DonDadda59]

whther lebron looks awkward or not is not the point. i clearly showed how shadow-doubling makes it easier to stop scorers who are great passers.
a player like lebron will always welcome hard double teams instead of defenders floating around ready to cover for whoever is guarding lebron. this was not possible in the 90s because of illegal defense rules.

First of all, no other defender besides his primary man was within 5 feet of LeBron. Don't know how on Earth you can classify that as a 'double'. Harrison Barnes was playing a one man game of hopscotch to make sure he didn't get an illegal D called on him. And Bron is an idiot because instead of turning baseline which would've given him an easy route to the basket against a smaller defender, he instead chose to turn into the D.

If you want to see how a cerebral, skilled player plays out of the post, watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfSftZvpHJg)

Notice how he reads and reacts to multiple defenders in every situation.


you will never understand the difference between hard double teams and shadow doubling because it will fck with your idea that today's defensive schemes are the best of all time and it is all thanks to no illegal defense rules.

I think you need to take the time out to figure out what a double team is. Being 5 feet away from an offensive player while jumping in and out of the lane does not count. :lol

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Illegal defense was taken out of the game in 2001 don.

[Rose'sACL]

First of all, no other defender besides his primary man was within 5 feet of LeBron. Don't know how on Earth you can classify that as a 'double'. Harrison Barnes was playing a one man game of hopscotch to make sure he didn't get an illegal D called on him. And Bron is an idiot because instead of turning baseline which would've given him an easy route to the basket against a smaller defender, he instead chose to turn into the D.

If you want to see how a cerebral, skilled player plays out of the post, watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfSftZvpHJg)

Notice how he reads and reacts to multiple defenders in every situation.



I think you need to take the time out to figure out what a double team is. Being 5 feet away from an offensive player while jumping in and out of the lane does not count. :lol
double team is when 2 guys are within a hand's distance of you which means that they can't get back to the guy who is left open.in this instance a player like lebron would pass to the open man given that he is one of the best passer of all time.

Shadow doubling is when a guy is floating between 2 players without being close enough to either player which means that it would be called illegal defense in the 90s. in this instance if the player passes to the open man, the floating defender can still contest the shot if he is fast. if the player with the ball decides to drive to the basket then the defender is still close enough to help in the paint.

this is why a player like love is so important because the player guarding him has to stay close as he is a good shooter which means his defender can't shadow double kyrie or lebron when they are near the post. there is a reason that good help defense is more important in today's league than ever before because rules have resulted in complex defensive schemes.