Superstar stats have to be weighed into era context

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Defenses and subequently offenses are different from 20 years ago.

The game is a 5 man game now. The removal of Illegal defense in 2001, gave defenses freedom to shutdown simplistic, 2 man offensive strategies of the 90's. The handcheck re-interpretation in 2005 caused man defenders to have to sag off more to stay in front of their opponent. This makes shooting easier, but driving to the lane harder, especially when you combine that with no illegal defense which usually means there will be a defender protecting the lane behind the man defender. It's to no surprise that shooting numbers have gone up.

25PPG average today, is the equivalent of 28-29 points in the 80's and 90's. Advanced team defenses today force offenses to have to pass, shoot, and use all 5 players on the court to score. This was the goal of the NBA and they suceeded in squashing the isolation, super star league. It is much harder to stand out as a star now, you need to be able to do everything. Pass, score, shoot, dribble, defend. And all in a variety of ways. Draymond Green, while not a star, is a high level player that is definitely product of the modern game. He would not get as much recognition in the 90's.

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But then you can't discredit them because they worked with what they had at the time. If you took Wilt and gave him modern nutrition, physios, sports science, gameplans, support staff, shoes etc he would have been even better than he was back then talent wise.

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Not discrediting them

Simply bringing context to stats

It must be weighed in comparisons across eras

Individual stats are inflated in the 80's and 90's when compared to today

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For instance

MJ's career average of 30 would be bumped down roughly 2-3 PPG to 27.5 PPG average in the modern era

Around Durant now

[Marchesk]

6/6 stat wasn't inflated doe.

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Vice versa as well

Lebrons career average of 27 would go up probably 2-3 PPG to 30 PPG career average in the 90's

depending on if you want to compare who to who.

[DonDadda59]

For instance

MJ's career average of 30 would be bumped down roughly 2-3 PPG to 27.5 PPG average in the modern era

Around Durant now

Kobe from '96-'01: 18.5 PPG (45% FG)
Kobe from '06-'11: 29.1 PPG (46% FG)

Iverson from '96-'01: 26 PPG (43% FG)
Iverson from '02-'07: 29.4 PPG (42% FG)

League APG 2014-2015 (94 Pace): 22
League APG 1994-1995 (93 Pace): 23.4

:durantunimpressed:

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Not discrediting them

Simply bringing context to stats

It must be weighed in comparisons across eras

Individual stats are inflated in the 80's and 90's when compared to today

My stance is it's hard to compare them in a direct head to head talent level way, like if you had to pick a team of players who can be time traveled to now some of them wouldn't make it. But i prefer to weigh impact and talent compared to their era when i do top 10s.

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Kobe from '96-'01: 18.5 PPG (45% FG)
Kobe from '06-'11: 29.1 PPG (46% FG)

Iverson from '96-'01: 26 PPG (43% FG)
Iverson from '02-'07: 29.4 PPG (42% FG)

League APG 2014-2015 (94 Pace): 22
League APG 1994-1995 (93 Pace): 23.4

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Correlation does not equal Caucasian

Kobe just entered the league, was young, and was 2nd fiddle to Shaq

Iverson just entered the league, was young

Comparing early career to primes don

Stupid argument

[catch24]

Kobe from '96-'01: 18.5 PPG (45% FG)
Kobe from '06-'11: 29.1 PPG (46% FG)

Iverson from '96-'01: 26 PPG (43% FG)
Iverson from '02-'07: 29.4 PPG (42% FG)

League APG 2014-2015 (94 Pace): 22
League APG 1994-1995 (93 Pace): 23.4

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Kobe in 2001 averaged 29ppg.

Obviously he wasn't good enough/got the chance to be a consistent starter, on an already GOOD Laker team from 1996-1998/99.

Why do LeBron fans continuously use stats without their proper context?

[Young X]

2015 league average:

TS%: 53.4
eFG%: 49.6

1991 league average:

TS%: 53.4
eFG%: 48.7

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2015 league average:

TS%: 53.4
eFG%: 49.6

1991 league average

TS%: 53.4
eFG%: 48.7
This is about individuals

The game is a 5 man one now.

[DonDadda59]

Correlation does not equal Caucasian

Kobe just entered the league, was young, and was 2nd fiddle to Shaq

Iverson just entered the league, was young

Comparing early career to primes don

Stupid argument

Jordan spent 3 years in College and was drafted by a lottery team, was given the green light immediately and was 21 years old at the end of his rookie year.

Jordan first 5 years in the 'illegal D' era: 32.6 PPG (51.3% FG) *Ages 21-25*

*2nd year included (18 games). Without that season- 33.2 PPG*

Iverson spent 2 years in College and was drafted by a lottery team, was given the green light immediately and was 21 years old at the end of his rookie year.

Iverson (Sixers) first 5 years in the 'illegal D era': 26.2 PPG (42.6% FG) *Age 21-25*

Iverson (Sixers) first 5 years in the 'GOAT defensive era': 29.9 PPG (41.7% FG) *Age 25-30*

Logic says if Jordan got to play in the clear out the lane, no touching era... his PPG goes up by 3-4.

FACTS ARE FACTS, SNITCH. STOP POSTING.

[hawke812]

6/6 stat wasn't inflated doe.

It was indeed inflated:confusedshrug:

1. Pippen
2. Watered down expansion era division III level competition
3. Superstacked HOFer team
4. No sequel to Space Jam
5. Pippen/Rodman

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Jordan spent 3 years in College and was drafted by a lottery team, was given the green light immediately and was 21 years old at the end of his rookie year.

Jordan first 5 years in the 'illegal D' era: 32.6 PPG (51.3% FG) *Ages 21-25*

*2nd year included (18 games). Without that season- 33.2 PPG*

Iverson spent 2 years in College and was drafted by a lottery team, was given the green light immediately and was 21 years old at the end of his rookie year.

Iverson (Sixers) first 5 years in the 'illegal D era': 26.2 PPG (42.6% FG) *Age 21-25*

Iverson (Sixers) first 5 years in the 'GOAT defensive era': 29.9 PPG (41.7% FG) *Age 25-30*

Logic says if Jordan got to play in the clear out the lane, no touching era... his PPG goes up by 3-4.

FACTS ARE FACTS, SNITCH. STOP POSTING.
Players grow differently and age at different rates

Correlation does not equal Caucasian

Outliers exist

[Marchesk]

Correlation does not equal Caucasian

reported for racism

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reported for racism
On what grounds would you have been charged?

[DonDadda59]

Players grow differently and age at different rates

Correlation does not equal Caucasian

Outliers exist

Name the specific outliers then.

In 2006, guys who had been in the league for a decade (Kobe, Iverson, Allen, etc) and other perimeter players all had their career high scoring seasons all of a sudden, all at the same time (along with D-Wade breaking his teammate Shaq's finals FTA record... at 6'4").

Go ahead and name the specific players who were in/near their primes whose scoring dipped following the rule changes.

Take your time now. And stop snitching.

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Name the specific outliers then.

In 2006, guys who had been in the league for a decade (Kobe, Iverson, Allen, etc) and other perimeter players all had their career high scoring seasons all of a sudden, all at the same time (along with D-Wade breaking his teammate Shaq's finals FTA record... at 6'4").

Go ahead and name the specific players who were in/near their primes whose scoring dipped following the rule changes.

Take your time now. And stop snitching.
Okay sure

In relation to a statistical linear regression, there are six types of specific outliers that depend on specific points of bodies of focus.

(1) There is one outlier far from the other points, though it only appears to slightly inuence the line.

(2) There is one outlier on the right, though it is quite close to the least squares line, which suggests it wasn't very inuential.

(3) There is one point far away from the cloud, and this outlier appears to pull the least squares line up on the right; examine how the line around the primary cloud doesn't appear to t very well.

(4) There is a primary cloud and then a small secondary cloud of four outliers. The secondary cloud appears to be inuencing the line somewhat strongly, making the least square line t poorly almost everywhere. There might be an interesting explanation for the dual clouds, which is something that could be investigated.

(5) There is no obvious trend in the main cloud of points and the outlier on the right appears to largely control the slope of the least squares line.

(6) There is one outlier far from the cloud, however, it falls quite close to the least squares line and does not appear to be very inuential.

[DonDadda59]

Okay sure

In relation to a statistical linear regression, there are six types of specific outliers that depend on specific points of bodies of focus.

(1) There is one outlier far from the other points, though it only appears to slightly inuence the line.

(2) There is one outlier on the right, though it is quite close to the least squares line, which suggests it wasn't very inuential.

(3) There is one point far away from the cloud, and this outlier appears to pull the least squares line up on the right; examine how the line around the primary cloud doesn't appear to t very well.

(4) There is a primary cloud and then a small secondary cloud of four outliers. The secondary cloud appears to be inuencing the line somewhat strongly, making the least square line t poorly almost everywhere. There might be an interesting explanation for the dual clouds, which is something that could be investigated.

(5) There is no obvious trend in the main cloud of points and the outlier on the right appears to largely control the slope of the least squares line.

(6) There is one outlier far from the cloud, however, it falls quite close to the least squares line and does not appear to be very inuential.

AKA you got herbed in your own thread by me AGAIN. Too bad the mods couldn't help you out this time.

All the star perimeter players who were drafted/played in the 90s all of a sudden, all at the same exact time experienced inflated career scoring high seasons following the rule changes... but the GOAT perimeter scorer who was still winning scoring titles past his prime would buck that trend and his scoring would dip?

Story checks out.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2011/11/02/michaeljordanlol_1.gif

Stop snitching.

[Asukal]

Vice versa as well

Lebrons career average of 27 would go up probably 2-3 PPG to 30 PPG career average in the 90's

depending on if you want to compare who to who.

That guy who has no go to move except to barrel slam into his defender? And he has no consistent jump shot.... :biggums:

He will probably average 5 ppg less. :whatever: