4 MVPs, 3 titles, 30/10/5K player

[Marchesk]

Where would you rank such a player at their position all-time?

[ISHGoat]

Goat

[riseagainst]

what about 30/10/10k?

Lebron is on pace to do it after his 18th season..... by then he'd have 38k points

:lol

[Marchesk]

Below a player who is 30/6/5K with 6 titles, 6 finals MVPs, and 5 regular season MVPs

Didn't play SG. But I'll add nearly 2,300 steals and nearly 2000 blocks.

[Marchesk]

what about 30/10/10k?

Lebron is on pace to do it after his 18th season..... by then he'd have 38k points

:lol

That will be very impressive. He might get to 4 titles by then with the young stacked Cavs roster he has in the East.

4/12

[aj1987]

Where would you rank such a player at their position all-time?
Dr. J is at ~12 for me. Inflated stats from the run and gun ABA.

[guy]

Dr. J is at ~12 for me. Inflated stats from the run and gun ABA.

Does anyone know why exactly the ABA is considered an inferior league to the NBA at the time? In the first year of the merger, 4 of the 10 All-NBA players were from the ABA, and 10 of the 26 All-Stars were from the ABA as well.

[aj1987]

Does anyone know why exactly the ABA is considered an inferior league to the NBA at the time? In the first year of the merger, 4 of the 10 All-NBA players were from the ABA, and 10 of the 26 All-Stars were from the ABA as well.
Only 10 players from the ABA made the ASG, while 16 were from the NBA. That's probably one of the reasons why. Both the NBA and ABA were weak pre-merger, as a matter of fact.

[guy]

Only 10 players from the ABA made the ASG, while 16 were from the NBA. That's probably one of the reasons why. Both the NBA and ABA were weak pre-merger, as a matter of fact.

The ABA was smaller too. 10 teams in the ABA, while there were 18 teams in the NBA. In a combined league, they would've represented 36%. And the next year, they represented 40% of the All-NBA players and 38% of the All-Stars. Its seems like the league was on the same level.

And if we use the argument that it was a smaller league against them, then I don't really understand why we take anything that happened in the 60s that seriously.

[aj1987]

The ABA was smaller too. 10 teams in the ABA, while there were 18 teams in the NBA. In a combined league, they would've represented 36%. And the next year, they represented 40% of the All-NBA players and 38% of the All-Stars. Its seems like the league was on the same level.

And if we use the argument that it was a smaller league against them, then I don't really understand why we take anything that happened in the 60s that seriously.
I don't. It was an extremely weak era, IMO.

[BoutPractice]

You have to know what "position" it is.

If we assume the position is SF, then third, because LeBron James and Larry Bird exist.

But position doesn't tell you everything: all three play different roles, and although unique in the history of the game their playing style is probably more similar to that of players of a different position than to that of each other.

LeBron is a primary ball handler and creator you could just as well rank against point guards of the Russell Westbrook variety. Bird is something of an inside / outside forward you could contrast with power forwards like Dirk

[Marchesk]

If we assume the position is SF, then third, because LeBron James and Larry Bird exist.

Yes, but that's because ABA Dr J tends to be discounted. Include his career there, and he has as good a case as those two for being the GOAT SF (not counting what Lebron will do in the future). That and the game became popularized with Magic/Bird, even though Dr J is iconic.

[QUOTE=BoutPractice]LeBron is a primary ball handler and creator you could just as well rank against point guards of the Russell Westbrook variety. Bird is something of an inside / outside forward you could contrast with power forwards like Dirk

[kennethgriffin]

well the mvps dont matter. thats more of a club membership with the media handing out multiples to their agenda



so its about titles by mvps with asterisks for fake lockout seasons and/or titles in which a team mate saved the finals




3 legit titles + 3 fmvps with those stats = top 8-9

2 legit titles out of 3 + 3 fmvps with those stats = top 9-10

1 legit title out of 3 + 3 fmvps with those stats = top 10-11

0 legit titles out of 3 + 3 fmvps with those stats = top 11-12







so in other words... lebron has a chance to pass hakeem if he can win a legit title. if he has another bogus lockout or saved ray allen'esq title he stays where he is

[AnaheimLakers24]

Below kobe.

[ShawkFactory]

with asterisks for fake lockout seasons and/or titles in which a team mate saved the finals

Or for whatever the case may be if Lebron wins another ring.

[aj1987]

well the mvps dont matter. thats more of a club membership with the media handing out multiples to their agenda



so its about titles by mvps with asterisks for fake lockout seasons and/or titles in which a team mate saved the finals




3 legit titles + 3 fmvps with those stats = top 8-9

2 legit titles out of 3 + 3 fmvps with those stats = top 9-10

1 legit title out of 3 + 3 fmvps with those stats = top 10-11

0 legit titles out of 3 + 3 fmvps with those stats = top 11-12







so in other words... lebron has a chance to pass hakeem if he can win a legit title. if he has another bogus lockout or saved ray allen'esq title he stays where he is
According to your logic, Kobe will NEVER surpass Hakeem.

Shaq+Pau+Phil.

[kennethgriffin]

According to your logic, Kobe will NEVER surpass Hakeem.

Shaq+Pau+Phil.


a) how is shaq/pau/phil a lockout?

b) how is shaq/pau/phil a bail out shot?

c) how is shaq/pau/phil a combination when those 3 were never part of 1 team

:lol



notice i didnt deduct anything from lebron based on amount of help or coaching


both spo and blatt will make the HOF. and wade is top 25 all time ( bosh has a more accomplished career than pau too )


every great team has atleast a good coach and an adequate 2 man combo 99% of the time


pau is 85th all time on BBR HOF monitor



:oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html


1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 1.0000
2. Michael Jordan* 1.0000
3. Bill Russell* 1.0000
4. Wilt Chamberlain* 1.0000
5. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
6. Tim Duncan 1.0000
7. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
8. John Havlicek* 1.0000
9. Oscar Robertson* 1.0000
10. Bob Cousy* 1.0000
11. Kevin Garnett 1.0000
12. Jerry West* 1.0000
13. Magic Johnson* 1.0000
14. Karl Malone* 1.0000
15. LeBron James 1.0000
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 1.0000
17. Larry Bird* 1.0000
18. Elvin Hayes* 1.0000
19. David Robinson* 1.0000
20. Moses Malone* 1.0000
21. Dolph Schayes* 1.0000
22. Dirk Nowitzki 1.0000
23. John Stockton* 1.0000
24. Bob Pettit* 1.0000
25. Isiah Thomas* 1.0000
26. Dwyane Wade 0.9999
27. Charles Barkley* 0.9998
28. Allen Iverson 0.9998
29. Elgin Baylor* 0.9998
30. Paul Arizin* 0.9998
31. Jason Kidd 0.9997
32. Chris Paul 0.9997
33. Sam Jones* 0.9995
34. George Mikan* 0.9995
35. Gary Payton* 0.9994
36. Patrick Ewing* 0.9994
37. Julius Erving* 0.9991
38. Scottie Pippen* 0.9990
39. Ray Allen 0.9987
40. Clyde Drexler* 0.9978
41. Paul Pierce 0.9974
42. Hal Greer* 0.9974
43. Bill Sharman* 0.9970
44. Robert Parish* 0.9966
45. Rick Barry* 0.9950
46. Walt Frazier* 0.9949
47. Slater Martin* 0.9943
48. Tom Heinsohn* 0.9938
49. Neil Johnston* 0.9926
50. Dwight Howard 0.9893
51. Lenny Wilkens* 0.9880
52. Ed Macauley* 0.9873
53. Chris Bosh 0.9864
54. Kevin McHale* 0.9864
55. Dave Cowens* 0.9864
56. Bob McAdoo* 0.9863
57. Tiny Archibald* 0.9842
58. Steve Nash 0.9829
59. Kevin Durant 0.9821
60. Dominique Wilkins* 0.9814
61. George Gervin* 0.9787
62. Vern Mikkelsen* 0.9771
63. Willis Reed* 0.9768
64. Dikembe Mutombo* 0.9691
65. Jerry Lucas* 0.9608
66. Tracy McGrady 0.9555
67. Bob Lanier* 0.9494
68. Vince Carter 0.9455
69. Larry Foust 0.9420
70. Tony Parker 0.9386
71. Chet Walker* 0.9378
72. Bailey Howell* 0.9362
73. Alonzo Mourning* 0.9310
74. Alex English* 0.9235
75. Dave Bing* 0.9188
76. James Worthy* 0.9077
77. Grant Hill 0.8911
78. Adrian Dantley* 0.8862
79. Carmelo Anthony 0.8745
80. Jack Sikma 0.8698
81. Jo Jo White* 0.8692
82. Chauncey Billups 0.8440
83. Dave DeBusschere* 0.8358
84. Harry Gallatin* 0.8091
85. Pau Gasol 0.8086

[aj1987]

a) how is shaq/pau/phil a lockout?

b) how is shaq/pau/phil a bail out shot?

c) how is shaq/pau/phil a combination when those 3 were never part of 1 team

notice i didnt deduct anything from lebron based on amount of help or coaching

both spo and blatt will make the HOF. and wade is top 25 all time ( bosh has a more accomplished career than pau too )


every great team has atleast a good coach and an adequate 2 man combo 99% of the time


pau is 85th all time on BBR HOF monitor



:oldlol:
He was carried by those players. Spo and Blatt will only make the HOF because of LeBron. How many coaches has Chuckbe carried to the HOF? And no, Spo is not a good coach.

First 3peat, he got carried by the MDE and the GOAT coach. 2009, he had the most stacked frontline, but I'll give him a pass. 2010 - 6/24, Ron Artest, Pau coming up more clutch than Chuckbe in the 4th Q's, etc..

GOAT coach, top 5 GOAT, and the most stacked frontline.

BTW, what the **** does the HOF have to do with anything?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/ratings.cgi

Gasol @ #47.

Heck, even ISH has Gasol at 64.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282470