name more than 3 players with better careers than this

[kennethgriffin]

- only player to win multiple titles without a legendary sidekick (Pau Gasol 85th all time HOF rating)
- only player to outscore a team by himself (62-61 vs Dallas)
- only player to score 80+ in the modern era (since ABA merger)
- only player to score 50+ for 5 consecutive games in the modern era
- only player to start or make 17 consecutive all-star games
- only player in nba history with 30,000 points and 6,000 assists
- all time record for all NBA 1st teams (11)
- all time record for all defensive 1st teams (9)
- all time record for all star game mvps (4)
- all time record for three pointers made in a game (12)
- all time best International win% (100%)
- all time Guard scoring champion ( 32,482 points )
- all time most game winning shots (36)
- all time most 50+ win playoff teams beatin (24)
- all time most allstar points (280)
- youngest NBA allstar (19 years)
- youngest 1st team all defense (21 years)
- youngest dunk contest champion (18 years)
- youngest nba starter (17 years)
- 2nd most 30 point games (425)
- 2nd most 60 point games (5)
- 3rd mot 50 point games (24)
- 3rd most 40 point games (119)
- 3rd most points ever scored in the playoffs (5,640)
- Sporting News Player of the decade ( 2000's )
- Dime Magazine Player of the decade ( 2000's )
- TNT Player of the decade ( 2000's )
- 1 NBA MVP
- 2 NBA finals MVP's
- 2 olympic gold medals
- 5 NBA championships

Kobe Bryant


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http://nbanationaustralia.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/kobe-81wilt.jpg

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http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/17736-kobe-dunk-on-dwight-howard.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

kobe has to be 4th all time at worst

behind only

- Michael Jordan
- Kareem Abdul Jabbar
- Bill Russell


only guys whos careers even somewhat compare

[9erempiree]

We can chop Kobe's career in half and accomplishments in half and it would still be hall of fame worthy.

[Lebronxrings]

Lebron
Shaq
Mj
Russell

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe is #3 all time.

It's becoming undeniable.

[kennethgriffin]

Lebron
Shaq
Mj
Russell


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[ralph_i_el]

kobe has to be 4th all time at worst

behind only

- Michael Jordan
- Kareem Abdul Jabbar
- Bill Russell


only guys whos careers even somewhat compare

Tim Duncan.

Kobe's best season isn't a top 30 season all time.

[9erempiree]

Lebron
Shaq
Mj
Russell

Shaq was a career journeyman. He was ring chasing through out his career. It all started with the Lakers and he kept on chasing.

[kennethgriffin]

Tim Duncan.

Kobe's best season isn't a top 30 season all time.


duncan only has the 1 mvp and 1 more fmvp going for him

kobe has 25-30 other things over duncan including a 4-2 record head to head ( 4-1 if you dont count his 1999 series which was a lockout asterisk year anyway and when kobe wasnt elite yet )

and how is a 35/5/5 season with an 81 point game, multiple months of 40+, outscoring a WCF team by himself 62-61 and dragging kwame/smush to the post season in the west... not a top 30 all time single season performance

we've all agreed MVPs arent the best player award. its a team award.

so if we're talking "BEST seasons" we have to consider "BEST players"


and kobe that year was easly a top 5 prime player all time.

only guys who compare are prime wilt/shaq/jordan/oscar

[DonDadda59]

Shaq was a career journeyman. He was ring chasing through out his career. It all started with the Lakers and he kept on chasing.

He was chasing money and entertainment career opportunities when he went to LA. His Orlando teams were stacked to the rafters and had already made the finals in just his third season. Even with an unhealthy Penny, they probably own the East after the Bulls dynasty was broken up. The East was a dumpster fire after that with one man teams led by Iverson making the finals. If he commits to Orlando and the front office can get a few key pieces (which they had done a great job of throughout the 90s), there's no reason they don't make a few finals in the post Bulls era.

[outbreak]

Name 3 players who've mossed more then 13700 shots in their career.

[outbreak]

He was chasing money and entertainment career opportunities when he went to LA. His Orlando teams were stacked to the rafters and had already made the finals in just his third season. Even with an unhealthy Penny, they probably own the East after the Bulls dynasty was broken up. The East was a dumpster fire after that with one man teams led by Iverson making the finals. If he commits to Orlando and the front office can get a few key pieces (which they had done a great job of throughout the 90s), there's no reason they don't make a few finals in the post Bulls era.

Orlando dropped the ball. Shaq himself has said he thinks he would have won in Orlando and regretted leaving but they low balled him to try and save cash for re signing other players and didn't give him the treatment he wanted.

[T_L_P]

Kobe Bryant isn't the youngest starter you dweeb.

Bynum is the youngest and O'Neal is second. :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

Name 3 players who've mossed more then 13700 shots in their career.

:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

duncan only has the 1 mvp and 1 more fmvp going for him

kobe has 25-30 other things over duncan including a 4-2 record head to head ( 4-1 if you dont count his 1999 series which was a lockout asterisk year anyway and when kobe wasnt elite yet )

and how is a 35/5/5 season with an 81 point game, multiple months of 40+, outscoring a WCF team by himself 62-61 and dragging kwame/smush to the post season in the west... not a top 30 all time single season performance

we've all agreed MVPs arent the best player award. its a team award.

so if we're talking "BEST seasons" we have to consider "BEST players"


and kobe that year was easly a top 5 prime player all time.

only guys who compare are prime wilt/shaq/jordan/oscar

'91 Jordan, '71 Kareem, '67 Wilt, '87 Magic, '86 Bird, '03 Duncan, '94 Hakeem, '00 Shaq, '12 LeBron, and probably '83 Moses > '06 Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

Name 3 players who've mossed more then 13700 shots in their career.


all time guard scoring champion will do that

:lol

when the only guys ahead of you in points are 2 post up players that don't shoot 3's... youl end up with the most misses.

[aj1987]

MJ
Shaq
Magic
LeBron
Duncan
Russell
Wilt
Bird

[3ball]

'91 Jordan, '71 Kareem, '67 Wilt, '87 Magic, '86 Bird, '03 Duncan, '94 Hakeem, '00 Shaq, '12 LeBron, and probably '83 Moses > '06 Kobe


Neither Kobe's 2006 or Lebron's 2012 belong with the group above because both were after the rule changes in 2005 designed to "open up the game" by banning hand-checking and other physicality, along with defensive 3 seconds.

The stats of both Kobe and Lebron (along with everyone else's) increased dramatically after these rules were introduced.

According to the NBA, the absence of the current defensive 3 seconds rule would allow "frontcourt players to stand in the middle of the lane and discourage cutting, passing and dribble penetration.".. (see 2nd last question):

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html
.

[ArbitraryWater]

'91 Jordan, '71 Kareem, '67 Wilt, '87 Magic, '86 Bird, '03 Duncan, '94 Hakeem, '00 Shaq, '12 LeBron, and probably '83 Moses > '06 Kobe

You only named 1 season of each player eh?

How about '62 Russell, '04 KG, '69 West or whatever his peak was, '90 or '93 Barkley, or actually '06 Dirk himself..

[ShawkFactory]

Career-wise he's top 5. But he's behind Magic/Bird/Shaq/Wilt and maybe Lebron at their peaks.

Depends on how you want to do your rankings.

I like to combine both with also who I'd like to start a team with.

Somewhere from 7-9 for Kobe.

[3ball]

You only named 1 season of each player eh?


Not only that, but neither Kobe's 2006 or Lebron's 2012 belong with the others because both came after the rule changes in 2005 designed to "open up the game" by banning hand-checking and other physicality, along with defensive 3 seconds.

The stats of both Kobe and Lebron (along with everyone else's) increased dramatically after these rules were introduced.

According to the NBA, the absence of the current defensive 3 seconds rule would allow "frontcourt players to stand in the middle of the lane and discourage cutting, passing and dribble penetration.".. (see 2nd last question):

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html
.

[GrapeApe]

You only named 1 season of each player eh?

How about '62 Russell, '04 KG, '69 West or whatever his peak was, '90 or '93 Barkley, or actually '06 Dirk himself..

Yeah, there's several others, especially if we are talking about individual seasons. I'd put '13 Lebron and '09 Wade up there as well.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe Bryant isn't the youngest starter you dweeb.

Bynum is the youngest and O'Neal is second. :facepalm


well kobe started his first game on january 28th 1997

born aug 23rd 1978 ( 18 years, 158 days )

bynum started his first game on oct 31st 2006

born oct 27th 1987 ( 19 years, 4 days )

shaq started his first game on nov 6th 1992

born march 6th 1972 ( 20 years, 245 days )




so i guess youre wrong as usual TLP...


:rolleyes:

[ArbitraryWater]

Yeah, there's several others, especially if we are talking about individual seasons. I'd put '13 Lebron and '09 Wade up there as well.

If were gonna name multiple I'd put every LeBron version from 2009-2014 as superior player.

[kennethgriffin]

i don't really care what anyones criteria is for peaks, primes or best seasons etc...



only guys i'd consider drafting ahead of

2003 kobe
2006 kobe
2007 kobe
2008 kobe
2009 kobe


are... maybe prime shaq, prime jordan, prime wilt


and thats just during the regular season



scratch wilt if we're talking playoffs

which also discounts any jacka** pushing for Branflakes over Beanosaur

[SouBeachTalents]

i don't really care what anyones criteria is for peaks, primes or best seasons etc...



only guys i'd consider drafting ahead of

2003 kobe
2006 kobe
2007 kobe
2008 kobe
2009 kobe


are... maybe prime shaq, prime jordan, prime wilt


and thats just during the regular season



scratch wilt if we're talking playoffs

which also discounts any jacka** pushing for Branflakes over Beanosaur

Why are we dismissing Wilt & LeBron if playoffs are involved when those years you mentioned include one title, a loss in the second round, two first round exits and a Finals flameout?

[kennethgriffin]

Why are we dismissing Wilt & LeBron if playoffs are involved when those years you mentioned include one title, a loss in the second round, two first round exits and a Finals flameout?


even when wilt and bran win in the playoffs its ugly to watch


wilt was the 2nd leading scorer in his 1st finals win. then 3rd leading scorer in his 2nd finals win..


and bran wins in a fluke lockout year vs a noob finals team with a crybaby leading his competition that thinks his mom is more valuable than he is

then gets bailed out by ray allen for his only other title



not to mention throwing away easy series victories with the all time worst choke jobs ever like wilt vs russell in his last season. then vs a broken willis reed

lebron in 2011 with the self sabotage to take away wades finals mvp .. then the cramp series in 2014.. fallowed up by the 27% beyond 5 feet showing in 2015.. 39% overall... taking a dumb game winning attempt and hogging 35 shots a game when mozgof is dominating inside and needed more looks


no way in hell would i ever trust lebron or wilt to lead my team into battle. theyre all time great regular season stat padders

thats where it ends

[9erempiree]

Not only that, but neither Kobe's 2006 or Lebron's 2012 belong with the others because both came after the rule changes in 2005 designed to "open up the game" by banning hand-checking and other physicality, along with defensive 3 seconds.

The stats of both Kobe and Lebron (along with everyone else's) increased dramatically after these rules were introduced.

According to the NBA, the absence of the current defensive 3 seconds rule would allow "frontcourt players to stand in the middle of the lane and discourage cutting, passing and dribble penetration.".. (see 2nd last question):

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html
.

Did you forget that Kobe did play in the hand checking era too? He dominated post-hand check era so it's not surprising that he would have done the same, as we saw he had no problems dominating during the time.

[Cali Syndicate]

The Kobe hate on this forum is unreal...

[livinglegend]

Get a job! :roll: :roll:

[KG215]

I'm sure you could come up with a handful or two of more impressive resumes if you cherrypick resume accolades and include subjective, meaningless nonsense that doesn't really mean anything like Griff.

[SuperCereal]

well kobe started his first game on january 28th 1997

born aug 23rd 1978 ( 18 years, 158 days )

bynum started his first game on oct 31st 2006

born oct 27th 1987 ( 19 years, 4 days )

shaq started his first game on nov 6th 1992

born march 6th 1972 ( 20 years, 245 days )




so i guess youre wrong as usual TLP...


:rolleyes:

"On November 2, 2005, during the Lakers' season opener against the Denver Nuggets, Bynum played six minutes and became the youngest player ever to play in an NBA game at age 18 years, 6 days."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bynum

[Lensanity]

Kobe deserved 1 out of 9 all defensive teams and that is me being generous.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lack of MVPs is concerning. So ... MJ, LeBron are for definite better players as well as resumes. Cases can be made for Shaq, Magic, Bird, KAJ, and Hakeem.

[20Four]

Name 3 players who've mossed more then 13700 shots in their career.
Name 3 players who scored more than 81 points in a game.....

[Smoke117]

Name 3 players who've missed more then 13700 shots in their career.

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[Smoke117]

Lack of MVPs is concerning. So ... MJ, LeBron are for definite better players as well as resumes. Cases can be made for Shaq, Magic, Bird, KAJ, and Hakeem.

The fact that there is just a "case" to be made for Hakeem and it's not outright believed is what is hilarious. Hakeem is legitimately one of the 2 or 3 best two way players OF ALL TIME. He's the best defensive player of the modern era (1980 to now...35 years) and was one hell of an offensive player. It shouldn't come as a surprise that one of the weakest teams to ever win a championship overall was helmed by the Dream. People literally overrate perimeter players because their games have a lot more in common with what they could do. (to a much much much lesser extent obviously) The population that is 6'10" or over is extremely small so it's a lot harder to see the game from a big man point of view for a lot of people. (apparently since so many perimeter players get overrated and so many bigs underrated by impact on the game)

This Kobe stans can say whatever they want...but Kobe was on NOBODIES mind when your team was playing the lakers during the 3 peat era...it was ALWAYS Shaq who had you anxious. Kobe's impact isn't even close to Shaqs just from a sheer psychological pov.

[ralph_i_el]

Name 3 players who scored more than 81 points in a game.....

name 1 filipino midget who has made the NBA

[ArbitraryWater]

name 1 filipino midget who has made the NBA

:roll:

[20Four]

name 1 filipino midget who has made the NBA
lmao, go shine my shoes or go clean my toilet, which one you want peasant?

[kennethgriffin]

"On November 2, 2005, during the Lakers' season opener against the Denver Nuggets, Bynum played six minutes and became the youngest player ever to play in an NBA game at age 18 years, 6 days."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bynum

that says youngest player*



i said youngest starter*





http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2006/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200511020DEN.html


on the game log it says "0 GS" the entire year

on the games box score the starters are

- Parker
- Bryant
- odom
- kwame
- Mihm

[kennethgriffin]

Lack of MVPs is concerning. So ... MJ, LeBron are for definite better players as well as resumes. Cases can be made for Shaq, Magic, Bird, KAJ, and Hakeem.




shaquille O'neal - 1 mvp

oscar Robertson - 1 mvp

hakeem Olajuwon - 1 mvp

Julius Erving - 1 mvp

Bob Cousy - 1 mvp

Kevin Garnett - 1 mvp

Barry Sanders - 1 mvp

Emmitt Smith - 1 mvp

John Elway - 1 mvp

Lawrence Taylor - 1 mvp

Maurice richard - 1 mvp

Babe Ruth - 1 mvp

Ty Cobb - 1 mvp

Tris Speaker - 1 mvp

Ricky Henderson - 1 mvp

Ken Griffey Jr - 1 mvp

Sammy Sosa - 1 mvp

Jaromir Jagr - 1 mvp

Joe Sakic - 1 mvp

Jerry West - 0 mvps

Elgin Baylor - 0 mvps

John Havlicek - 0 mvps

John Stockton - 0 mvps

Jason Kidd - 0 mvps

George Mikan - 0 mvps

Isiah Thomas - 0 mvps

Derrick Jeter - 0 mvps

Honas Wagner - 0 mvps

Mel Ott - 0 mvps

Mark Mcgwire - 0 mvps

Steve Yzerman - 0 mvps

Ray Bourgue - 0 mvps

Paul Coffee - 0 mvps





Peyton Manning - 5 time mvp ( worst 1st round playoff record of all time )

Lebron James - 4 time mvp ( most finals losses by an mvp winner )

Steve Nash - 2 time mvp ( 0 finals games )

[Smoke117]

shaquille O'neal - 1 mvp

oscar Robertson - 1 mvp

hakeem Olajuwon - 1 mvp

Julius Erving - 1 mvp

Bob Cousy - 1 mvp

Kevin Garnett - 1 mvp

Barry Sanders - 1 mvp

Emmitt Smith - 1 mvp

John Elway - 1 mvp

Lawrence Taylor - 1 mvp

Maurice richard - 1 mvp

Babe Ruth - 1 mvp

Ty Cobb - 1 mvp

Tris Speaker - 1 mvp

Ricky Henderson - 1 mvp

Ken Griffey Jr - 1 mvp

Sammy Sosa - 1 mvp

Jaromir Jagr - 1 mvp

Joe Sakic - 1 mvp

Jerry West - 0 mvps

Elgin Baylor - 0 mvps

John Havlicek - 0 mvps

John Stockton - 0 mvps

Jason Kidd - 0 mvps

George Mikan - 0 mvps

Isiah Thomas - 0 mvps

Derrick Jeter - 0 mvps

Honas Wagner - 0 mvps

Mel Ott - 0 mvps

Mark Mcgwire - 0 mvps

Steve Yzerman - 0 mvps

Ray Bourgue - 0 mvps

Paul Coffee - 0 mvps





Peyton Manning - 5 time mvp ( worst 1st round playoff record of all time )

Lebron James - 4 time mvp ( most finals losses by an mvp winner )

Steve Nash - 2 time mvp ( 0 finals games )

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[kennethgriffin]

I'm sure you could come up with a handful or two of more impressive resumes if you cherrypick resume accolades and include subjective, meaningless nonsense that doesn't really mean anything like Griff.


is it really cherry picked? or is it just facts...

[ralph_i_el]

lmao, go shine my shoes or go clean my toilet, which one you want peasant?

lol with the money I made last year I could go to your country and buy your entire family

[ShawkFactory]

is it really cherry picked? or is it just facts...
You can cherry pick facts...

[inclinerator]

as players lebron and kobe are every bit as good as mj, but career wise they dont stack up cuz mj played in a weaker era

[SouBeachTalents]

as players lebron and kobe are every bit as good as mj, but career wise they dont stack up cuz mj played in a weaker era

Their numbers say otherwise, especially postseason/Finals

[KG215]

is it really cherry picked? or is it just facts...
A decent amount of the stuff you used to make up his resume is useless, cherrypicked "facts" that don't mean shit when comparing Player A to Player B in terms of basketball ability and impact on the court. You cherrpicked things like fan vote awards and "youngest player to win the dunk contest" to add needless fluff to his resume.

[inclinerator]

Their numbers say otherwise, especially postseason/Finals
mj played in a weaker era, easier to put up numbers

[SamuraiSWISH]

Their numbers say otherwise, especially postseason/Finals
Yea, both pale either in regular season, or especially money on the table time in the post season / Finals performance.

Reg Season: 30/6/5 v.s. 27/7/7 v.s. 25/5/5
Playoffs: 33/6/6 v.s. 28/9/7 v.s. 26/5/5

And was a better, more consistent defender for the duration of his career than either LeBron or Kobe. 2.5 spg, and DPOY.

Ranking those players, obviously, however:

1) MJ
2) LeBron
3) Kobe

[GrapeApe]

mj played in a weaker era, easier to put up numbers

Then why weren't more players putting up comparable numbers or dominating the league in comparable fashion?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Then why weren't more players putting up comparable numbers or dominating the league in comparable fashion?
Come on bro ... Steph Curry > Magic, Drexler, Hakeem, Barkley, and Karl Malone.

[inclinerator]

Come on bro ... Steph Curry > Magic, Drexler, Hakeem, Barkley, and Karl Malone.
curyy is better than drexler, old magic comparable with barkley and malone but it's not about curry, it was about the warriors

[SamuraiSWISH]

curyy is better than drexler, old magic comparable with barkley and malone but it's not about curry, it was about the warriors
LOL @ comparable or better

2015 "MVP" Curry: 24 ppg 8 apg 4 rpg

1992 Runner Up MVP Drexler: 25 ppg 7 apg 7 rpg
1991 Runner Up MVP "Old Magic" (only 31): 19 ppg 13 apg 7 rpg
1993 MVP Barkley: 26 ppg 5 apg 12 rpg
1997 "MVP" Malone: 27 ppg 5 apg 10 rpg

You were talking about weak era for Jordan, thus I brought up Curry's "MVP" in comparison to MVP winners, or Runner Ups that Mike SLAUGHTERED in the Finals.

[inclinerator]

LOL @ comparable or better

2015 "MVP" Curry: 24 ppg 8 apg 4 rpg

1992 Runner Up MVP Drexler: 25 ppg 7 apg 7 rpg
1991 Runner Up MVP "Old Magic" (only 31): 19 ppg 13 apg 7 rpg
1993 MVP Barkley: 26 ppg 5 apg 12 rpg
1997 "MVP" Malone: 27 ppg 5 apg 10 rpg

You were talking about weak era for Jordan, thus I brought up Curry's "MVP" in comparison to MVP winners, or Runner Ups that Mike SLAUGHTERED in the Finals.
already said it was easier to put up numbers in that era besides curry put up those numbers in like 30 minutes

[20Four]

lol with the money I made last year I could go to your country and buy your entire family
Hmm...I live in California as a Registered Nurse...wtf you talking about? Im not lebron23 he lives in the Philippines...dumbass

[Rocketswin2013]

Yea, both pale either in regular season, or especially money on the table time in the post season / Finals performance.

Reg Season: 30/6/5 v.s. 27/7/7 v.s. 25/5/5
Playoffs: 33/6/6 v.s. 28/9/7 v.s. 26/5/5

And was a better, more consistent defender for the duration of his career than either LeBron or Kobe. 2.5 spg, and DPOY.

Ranking those players, obviously, however:

1) MJ
2) LeBron
3) Kobe
No to the bold. Defensively, '09 LeBron and '12 LeBron James reached levels defensively Jordan never did. '00 Bryant was as at least as good defensively as any Jordan year.

[Young X]

No to the bold. Defensively, '09 LeBron and '12 LeBron James reached levels defensively Jordan never did. '00 Bryant was as at least as good defensively as any Jordan year.You can't be serious with this shit. :oldlol:

[ClipperRevival]

- only player to win multiple titles without a legendary sidekick (Pau Gasol 85th all time HOF rating)
- only player to outscore a team by himself (62-61 vs Dallas)
- only player to score 80+ in the modern era (since ABA merger)
- only player to score 50+ for 5 consecutive games in the modern era
- only player to start or make 17 consecutive all-star games
- only player in nba history with 30,000 points and 6,000 assists
- all time record for all NBA 1st teams (11)
- all time record for all defensive 1st teams (9)
- all time record for all star game mvps (4)
- all time record for three pointers made in a game (12)
- all time best International win% (100%)
- all time Guard scoring champion ( 32,482 points )
- all time most game winning shots (36)
- all time most 50+ win playoff teams beatin (24)
- all time most allstar points (280)
- youngest NBA allstar (19 years)
- youngest 1st team all defense (21 years)
- youngest dunk contest champion (18 years)
- youngest nba starter (17 years)
- 2nd most 30 point games (425)
- 2nd most 60 point games (5)
- 3rd mot 50 point games (24)
- 3rd most 40 point games (119)
- 3rd most points ever scored in the playoffs (5,640)
- Sporting News Player of the decade ( 2000's )
- Dime Magazine Player of the decade ( 2000's )
- TNT Player of the decade ( 2000's )
- 1 NBA MVP
- 2 NBA finals MVP's
- 2 olympic gold medals
- 5 NBA championships

Kobe Bryant


http://d1warraxuf7xh1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/hi-res-6a5f258537f00c7ec884699318a3aa99_crop_north.jpg

http://nbanationaustralia.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/kobe-81wilt.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c375/sjutruth07/KobeShhh.jpg

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/17736-kobe-dunk-on-dwight-howard.jpg

That's some weak stuff man. The part in red has to do with longevity and playing a long time. You really want to grasp for straws with longevity? His 9 defensive teams are an utter joke. He was making All-NBA Defensive teams for years when he shouldn't have.

Why don't you bring up his efficiency numbers? Isn't that more important? What you do with your chances? And not bring up totals, which is a result of longevity?

Look, the guy is a top 10 all time great. Anyone who doesn't have him near the top 10 is being biased. But you try too hard to boost this guy. Just let it be.

[Lebron23]

Hmm...I live in California as a Registered Nurse...wtf you talking about? Im not lebron23 he lives in the Philippines...dumbass


I can also buy you. Have you seen my car and house??

:lol :lol :lol

[Lebron23]

Borderline top 10 player of all time.

[aj1987]

LOL @ comparable or better

2015 "MVP" Curry: 24 ppg 8 apg 4 rpg

1992 Runner Up MVP Drexler: 25 ppg 7 apg 7 rpg
1991 Runner Up MVP "Old Magic" (only 31): 19 ppg 13 apg 7 rpg
1993 MVP Barkley: 26 ppg 5 apg 12 rpg
1997 "MVP" Malone: 27 ppg 5 apg 10 rpg

You were talking about weak era for Jordan, thus I brought up Curry's "MVP" in comparison to MVP winners, or Runner Ups that Mike SLAUGHTERED in the Finals.
Per 36:

Clyde - 25/7/7 on 56% TS

Magic - 19/7/12 on 62% TS

Chuck - 25/12/5 on 60% TS

Malone - 27/10/4 on 60% TS

Curry - 26/5/9 on 64% TS

How is that NOT comparable? 2nd in points & assists, 1st in efficiency, and 1st in steals among the 5.

[pauk]

Lets see here....

Careers that were indisputably better/more accomplished:

Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Bill Russell
Magic Johnson
Tim Duncan

Careers that were most likely better:

Wilt Chamberlain
Larry Bird
Lebron James
Shaquille O'Neal

Careers that have a case of being better (i dont think so, but many enough may argue they were, especially Hakeem):

Hakeem Olajuwon
Oscar Robertson

[Stu Jackson]

stop overrating this guy whats wrong with people today go watch some old bulls games kobe isnt in the same league