Trump has Univision reporter physically escorted out of room for speaking out of turn

[HitandRun Reggie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uIx_7srVj0

But he's eventually let back in after he calms down and shows his fellow American reporters some respect.

[qrich]

Well, yeah, dude was being disruptive.

Pathetic how little **** are running with this. #Trump2016

[KNOW1EDGE]

Some Mexican lady on my Facebook posted this video and called trump a racist idiot.

But I don't understand what's racist about the video

[HitandRun Reggie]

Some Mexican lady on my Facebook posted this video and called trump a racist idiot.

But I don't understand what's racist about the video

It's racist not to let a minority walk all over you ala Bernie Sanders(even though Ramos is "whiter" than I am).

[9erempiree]

Change is here.

I encourage people to vote for Trump if he gets the ticket.

[9erempiree]

Do you know how great this is for Donald Trump?

As one of the commenters said....

Reporter Jorge Ramos used typical illegal alien tactics by CUTTING IN LINE. Ramos should be happy with Trump's immigration plan: Ramos was deported OUT -- then badda bing -- he was let back IN. Hispanics for Trump 2016.

Basically he kicked(deported) this reporter out and then once he calmed(documentation) he was let back in.

Huge brownie points.

[KnittingRyu]

I came in expecting Trump to be the jerk in this situation, but nope, it was the reporter who was in the wrong.

[iamgine]

I'm disappointed Trump went all PC on us.

[9erempiree]

Come on people of ISH, if you want change you get Trump in office.

http://cdn.newsserve.net/v/20150820/519025146-Donald-Trump-Plays-With-Bald-Eagle-For-Time.jpg

[SugarHill]

So trump is like the republican 08 Obama lmaooo

[UK2K]

I came in expecting Trump to be the jerk in this situation, but nope, it was the reporter who was in the wrong.

I believe thats what the media was hoping for too.

Unfortunately, Trump asked him to wait his turn, he wouldnt, so he had him escorted out. Exactly how he should have.

:applause:

[KevinNYC]

Some Mexican lady on my Facebook posted this video and called trump a racist idiot.

But I don't understand what's racist about the video
Perhaps Trump is a racist idiot before this press conference started?

:confusedshrug:

[9erempiree]

Perhaps Mexicans are the new Blacks or Muslims? They like to preach injustice but Trump has never done anything to prove such.

Just a bunch of sensitive people if you ask me and my situation on ISH has garnered insults such as racists because I feel illegal immigrants should be deported.

My favorite of all of them is being called a racist for hating a religion.

[9erempiree]

That dude Jorge Ramos is an idiot. I don't know if you guys know who he is but he is this guy pictured below. I am sure you guys recognize him when flipping through the channels.
http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2012/03/JORGE-RAMOS.jpg

He wasn't just asking questions, he was simply up there debating with Trump, in which Trump destroyed him.

Also, he is a hypocrite because he is a US Citizen and worked here for years now out of Florida.

[Patrick Chewing]

That Ramos guy is an idiot. He doesn't shut up. I remember watching him when I lived in SoFla.

[Trollsmasher]

meanwhile at Sanders rallies

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/08/150814_POL_SandersBlackLivesMatter.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

[Bankaii]

This country is already f'd up enough already.
Why not let that retard Trump go ahead finish destroying it. That's one thing he can guarantee.

[Derka]

Its fine to vehemently disagree with Trump's immigration stance (God knows I do too)...but have some decorum. Deserved to be tossed out.

[NumberSix]

Its fine to vehemently disagree with Trump's immigration stance (God knows I do too)...but have some decorum. Deserved to be tossed out.
Is it really a "repoter's" place to argue with a candidate, or is it to ask questions to clarify a candidate's positions?

Here's an idea, Jorge. We don't care about your opinion on the matter. Just ask the questions that make the candidate clearly express their position, and the voters will decide whether that's an appropriate position or not.

[West-Side]

Hey at least he didn't shoot and kill two reporters like black people do.

:biggums:

[NumberSix]

Jorge Ramos would have been called a racist if he was this disrespectful to president Obama.

[nathanjizzle]

it can be staged. As to display a euphemism of how trump will forcefully kick out mexicans with no remorse.

[KellhitEmup15]

Jorge Ramos would have been called a racist if he was this disrespectful to president Obama.

How does that have anything to do with anything. Why do people have to bring race into everything.

[Trollsmasher]

Trump showing how his immigration plan works - kicked him out and he came back in after he started behaving by rules:applause:

[Patrick Chewing]

Trump showing how his immigration plan works - kicked him out and he came back in after he started behaving by rules:applause:


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

meanwhile at Sanders rallies

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/08/150814_POL_SandersBlackLivesMatter.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg
Man those girls are fiending for FREE-DOM.

Solemn and Certain as a ****ing Casanova.

[9erempiree]

Jorge Ramos would have been called a racist if he was this disrespectful to president Obama.

The 11 million illegals is not that far fetched. Lets say Trump doubles the deportation rate of Barry Obama, if he gets elected and serves two terms, he will come close in reaching his goal, all while a wall is being/not build.

Obama has deported the most in history but slowed down as the years went on. He is Muslim ya kno.

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/938/5756087000.jpg

[ThePhantomCreep]

That dude Jorge Ramos is an idiot. I don't know if you guys know who he is but he is this guy pictured below. I am sure you guys recognize him when flipping through the channels.
http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2012/03/JORGE-RAMOS.jpg

He wasn't just asking questions, he was simply up there debating with Trump, in which Trump destroyed him.

Also, he is a hypocrite because he is a US Citizen and worked here for years now out of Florida.

Not even close, Trump was in evasion mode throughout that exchange. Ramos was out of line, but Trump did anything but own that exchange.

It's understandable that he'd dodge questions on his "immigration plan", it's ridiculous and completely unrealistic. He should call it what it really is, the "pandering to bigots plan".

[KellhitEmup15]

The 11 million illegals is not that far fetched. Lets say Trump doubles the deportation rate of Barry Obama, if he gets elected and serves two terms, he will come close in reaching his goal, all while a wall is being/not build.

Obama has deported the most in history but slowed down as the years went on. He is Muslim ya kno.

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/938/5756087000.jpg

Obama is not muslim.

[Lensanity]

If Trump is less than 10 inches flaccid I would be shocked.

[FillJackson]

Obama has deported the most in history

Most folks of course don't know that.

Or that the numbers overall and the numbers from Mexico have declined during his presidency.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/2014/11/PH_2014-11-18_unauthorized-immigration-05.png



The 11 million illegals is not that far fetched. Lets say Trump doubles the deportation rate of Barry Obama, if he gets elected and serves two terms, he will come close in reaching his goal, all while a wall is being/not build.

How is that coming close? It's not double, it's like 4 times. Also I suspect a lot of those deportations are those captured near the border. That prevents the overall number from growing, but doesn't reduce the number here.

[NugzFan]

trump didnt do anything wrong in the video. the reporter was in the wrong.

[ThePhantomCreep]

The great migration from Mexico occurred during an era when the fertility rate in Mexico was 7.3 -- meaning, on average, a Mexican woman could expect to have seven children in her lifetime. In 2009, it had dropped to 2.4. Declining birth rates have pushed up the median age of the Mexican population. This has meant that the age group in the prime years for emigration, 15- to 39-year-olds, is a shrinking share of Mexico's population.

Mexico will soon be experiencing a shortage of prime working-class adults, like the US.

Building a wall is completely uneccesary and stupid, demographic shifts have largely curtailed illegal immigration all by themselves.

[Derka]

Building a wall is completely uneccesary and stupid, demographic shifts have largely curtailed illegal immigration all by themselves.
And Trump knows how absurd his plan is and he knows that it'll never happen. Its not a matter of actually doing it; its a matter of campaigning on it and making people THINK he'll do it. No Republican candidate ever lost a vote by saying "Throw all the Mexicans out!"

[Droid101]

Building a wall is completely uneccesary and stupid, demographic shifts have largely curtailed illegal immigration all by themselves.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EvsBgrXnQcA/VPziu3hJROI/AAAAAAAADm8/c6otXcifA0I/s1600/bears-repeating.jpg

[oh the horror]

Some Mexican lady on my Facebook posted this video and called trump a racist idiot.

But I don't understand what's racist about the video




It's not racist. Now people are just running with whatever the media is telling them. Guy was being disruptive so he was escorted out until he calmed his ass down

[NumberSix]

Let's not forget that Trump has a lawsuit against Jorge Ramos' network for $500,000,000. These guys obviously have a pre existing grudge.

[TheMan]

What you Trump guys can't see right now is that the Donald keeps antagonizing Latinos and come the GE, the GOP is going to pay through the ass whether Trump is the candidate or not.

[NumberSix]

What you Trump guys can't see right now is that the Donald keeps antagonizing Latinos and come the GE, the GOP is going to pay through the ass whether Trump is the candidate or not.
What a ridiculous thing to say.

Trump didn't antagonize Latinos. Jorge Ramos isn't the king of the Latinos. He's an individual person. An insult to him isn't an insult to all Latinos. Obama insulted Ted Cruz. Does that count as "antagonizing Latinos" or does that only count when it's a republican?

Don't forget, Univision broke a contract with Trump and the president of the network was tweeting pictures of comparing Trump with the terrorist that shot up the black church. Univision is not remotely objective. They have a clear agenda against Trump.

[9erempiree]

I don't get why he has to win over the Latino voters. You can only vote if you are a US citizen and it is irrelevant because Trump wants to stop illegal aliens from coming into the country.

If Latino voters, US citizens, are rejecting Trump's idea than I may have to side on Trump. If you are a US citizen then you should genuinely do what is best for the country you are living in. How genuine are US Latino citizens really are?

Where does their loyalty stand? America or Illegal Aliens? If they are against Trump a man that wants to stop illegal aliens from entering this country than I don't want them to become citizens of this country.

[9erempiree]

What you Trump guys can't see right now is that the Donald keeps antagonizing Latinos and come the GE, the GOP is going to pay through the ass whether Trump is the candidate or not.

These Latinos are US citizens no?

He's not antagonizing US citizens, he is saying he wants to protect our borders, shores and air by strengthening our homeland security.

[Patrick Chewing]

What you Trump guys can't see right now is that the Donald keeps antagonizing Latinos and come the GE, the GOP is going to pay through the ass whether Trump is the candidate or not.


You're assuming that all Latinos think in unison on the same social issues.


I'm sure there are plenty of Latinos that believe in Trump's message.

[NumberSix]

These Latinos are US citizens no?

He's not antagonizing US citizens, he is saying he wants to protect our borders, shores and air by strengthening our homeland security.
Do Latinos ever get tired of the suggestion that the only thing in politics they care about is preserving the ability of other Latinos to cross the border illegally?

[9erempiree]

Do Latinos ever get tired of the suggestion that the only thing in politics they care about is preserving the ability of other Latinos to cross the border illegally?

It is a Mexican national past time to run across the border.

I understand if they were refugees but they are not. Mexico has given them plenty of opportunities and they haven't taken it. If they are so upset, be upset about the Mexican government.

They are cowards who go to another country. Can't give people what they want when they are not willing to fight for it.

[TheMan]

You're assuming that all Latinos think in unison on the same social issues.


I'm sure there are plenty of Latinos that believe in Trump's message.
No, no one group of people ALL think the same. Thing is, Latinos are Democrats at a 65-70% clip. Look at Trump's polling with Latinos, it's abysmal, like really really bad compared to the other GOP contenders, not even in the same ball park bad.

[TheMan]

It is a Mexican national past time to run across the border.

I understand if they were refugees but they are not. Mexico has given them plenty of opportunities and they haven't taken it. If they are so upset, be upset about the Mexican government.

They are cowards who go to another country. Can't give people what they want when they are not willing to fight for it.
It's poor Mexicans, there are 120 million people in Mexico snd not all are poor. Obviously not all of them are trying to cross the border. My wife wants no part of being a US citizen or even a US resident. News flash, people who are doing well in their native country usually will not migrate to another country :rolleyes:

Stop stereotyping, you don't see me stereotyping Jews.

[NumberSix]

No, no one group of people ALL think the same. Thing is, Latinos are Democrats at a 65-70% clip. Look at Trump's polling with Latinos, it's abysmal, like really really bad compared to the other GOP contenders, not even in the same ball park bad.
That's because the media is extremely dishonest.

Latino =/= illegal immigrant


When Donald Trump says something about illegals, the lying media frames it as "Donald Trump said x about Latinos".

[9erempiree]

It's poor Mexicans, there are 120 million people in Mexico, obviously not all of them are trying to cross the border. My wife wants no part of being a US citizen or even a US resident. News flash, people who are doing well in their native country usually will not migrate to another country :rolleyes:

Stop stereotyping, you don't see me stereotyping Jews.

Very easy. Let me ask why are the Mexican government not helping their own people? Corruption? Don't give a F?

Maybe Trump is right. They send us the bad ones. The ones 'not doing well' as you like to put it. I don't have a problem with them coming over because lets be honest Mexico is sh1t but the point I am trying to make is to come over here legally.

Would Canada suddenly accept most of our welfare recipients? Let our welfare population sneak over there?

It goes further than just coming over to the USA. The problems lies within Mexico especially when so many people are leaving. There is usually a problem when that many people have to leave and they are not refugees.

[Canelo_Griffin]

It's poor Mexicans, there are 120 million people in Mexico snd not all are poor. Obviously not all of them are trying to cross the border. My wife wants no part of being a US citizen or even a US resident. News flash, people who are doing well in their native country usually will not migrate to another country :rolleyes:

Stop stereotyping, you don't see me stereotyping Jews.

9eremipire is a central american troll, don't take his bait. Im almost certain he's nick_young.

[TheMan]

That's because the media is extremely dishonest.

Latino =/= illegal immigrant


When Donald Trump says something about illegals, the lying media frames it as "Donald Trump said x about Latinos".
What you fail to understand is that most Latinos at the very least know someone who is here illegaly. We know most are hardworking honest folks who are trying to improve their family's lives. Yes, they are here illegaly but we also understand that when your kids have nothing to eat, breaking a law like crossing a border illegaly to feed your family isn't a dealbreaker.

Chewing has no empathy for other Latino's struggles because he's Cuban American. Other Latinos don't like Cuban Americans because in general, they are a bunch of arrogant, entitled people who for some reason got very favorable treatment from the US, especially the older reactionary well off who fled Castro's Cuba in the 60's.

[Patrick Chewing]

Do Latinos ever get tired of the suggestion that the only thing in politics they care about is preserving the ability of other Latinos to cross the border illegally?


Let me answer that for you. Hell yes! And to think like that is to generalize which in turn leads to racism in some cases.

[sundizz]

The US should just take over Mexico. Might as well. Haven't had a good ol fashion skirmish in a while. We spend more defense spending than anything else...

[Patrick Chewing]

Chewing has no empathy for other Latino's struggles because he's Cuban American.


That's bullshit. I have empathy for the struggle of Americans. Cuban-Americans as you say may have gotten favorable treatment after the Kennedy days, but Cubans did their best to assimilate. This is something I do not see from the Mexicans or Central Americans that are emigrating to the country today. That bothers me.

If an American is struggling, I care. And that American can be of any background. The most important thing is that he or she is an American first.

That's called Nationalism and having pride in your country. No one is saying to forget your culture or where you came from.

[NumberSix]

What you fail to understand is that most Latinos at the very least know someone who is here illegaly. We know most are hardworking honest folks who are trying to improve their family's lives. Yes, they are here illegaly but we also understand that when your kids have nothing to eat, breaking a law like crossing a border illegaly to feed your family isn't a dealbreaker.
Too many Americans are the victims of violent crimes by illegal aliens. It's the duty of the United States government to protect its own citizens.

Americans have a right to demand its government to screen who enters the country. Only a small percentage of illegals are violent criminals, but the only way to screen the violent criminals out is for everyone that enters to go through a verification process. They have to cross the border legally.

[TheMan]

That's bullshit. I have empathy for the struggle of Americans. Cuban-Americans as you say may have gotten favorable treatment after the Kennedy days, but Cubans did their best to assimilate. This is something I do not see from the Mexicans or Central Americans that are emigrating to the country today. That bothers me.

If an American is struggling, I care. And that American can be of any background. The most important thing is that he or she is an American first.

That's called Nationalism and having pride in your country. No one is saying to forget your culture or where you came from.
This isn't true. Mexican Americans also assimilate, look at Selena Gomez, Mario Lopez, Eva Longoria, Cheech Marin, Robert Rodriguez, George Lopez etc. They will tell you they are American first and foremost. They don't go around waving the Mexican flag. Mexican Americans consider themselves Americans first but just like recent Cuban Americans, Italian Americans, Irish Americans etc, they are proud of their background.

The reason you think they don't assimilate is because you are most probably interacting with recent arrivals.

[Mike Armstrong]

I believe thats what the media was hoping for too.

Unfortunately, Trump asked him to wait his turn, he wouldnt, so he had him escorted out. Exactly how he should have.

:applause:

Yarp.

[ThePhantomCreep]

That's because the media is extremely dishonest.

Latino =/= illegal immigrant


Donald Trump says something about illegal, the lying media frames it as "Donald Trump said x about Latinos".

Donald Trump has indirectly insulted millions of Latinos already, there is no media spin, dude. You think US-born children of illegals like being referred to as anchor babies AKA: not "real" Americans? Lots of Asian, Europe and ME children in that mix too.

If Trump utters the words "retroactively remove American citizenship" kiss the GOP goodbye for the next 40 years.

[NumberSix]

Donald Trump has indirectly insulted millions of Latinos already, there is no media spin, dude. You think US-born children of illegals like being referred to as anchor babies AKA: not "real" Americans? Lots of Asian, Europe and ME children in that mix too.

If Trump utters the words "retroactively remove American citizenship" kiss the GOP goodbye for the next 40 years.
"If Trump..."

Why would he? What the hell makes you think he would propose taking away citizenships from people who already have citizenships? :wtf:

[9erempiree]

What you fail to understand is that most Latinos at the very least know someone who is here illegaly. We know most are hardworking honest folks who are trying to improve their family's lives. Yes, they are here illegaly but we also understand that when your kids have nothing to eat, breaking a law like crossing a border illegaly to feed your family isn't a dealbreaker.

Chewing has no empathy for other Latino's struggles because he's Cuban American. Other Latinos don't like Cuban Americans because in general, they are a bunch of arrogant, entitled people who for some reason got very favorable treatment from the US, especially the older reactionary well off who fled Castro's Cuba in the 60's.

You basically reiterated what I said....

-Some are hardworking.
-Want to improve family life
-Break the Law!

Just come over legally. In the mean time, the great country of Mexico and its government will provide you with opportunities. Oh wait, it's a shit country, that is why they are leaving. I've already mentioned that.

As for Cubans? Like I mentioned about refugees, they are here because they wanted to get out of Castro's Cuba. Rightfully so.

Are we saying Mexico is just as bad as Cuba? These Mexicans are not refugees unless you want to call them that which then proves my point about shit Mexican government.

We will end this with agreement.

[KevinNYC]

Let's not forget that Trump has a lawsuit against Jorge Ramos' network for $500,000,000. These guys obviously have a pre existing grudge.
Donald Trump sues writer for calling him millionaire not billionaire (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5347989/Donald-Trump-sues-writer-for-calling-him-millionaire-not-billionaire.html)
Donald Trump is suing a writer for claiming he is a millionaire and not a billionaire.

Donald Trump Loses Libel Lawsuit (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-loses-libel-lawsuit-232923)Over Being Called A 'Millionaire'

[NumberSix]

Donald Trump sues writer for calling him millionaire not billionaire (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5347989/Donald-Trump-sues-writer-for-calling-him-millionaire-not-billionaire.html)
Donald Trump is suing a writer for claiming he is a millionaire and not a billionaire.

Donald Trump Loses Libel Lawsuit (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-loses-libel-lawsuit-232923)Over Being Called A 'Millionaire'
What point are you making? :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

Donald Trump sues writer for calling him millionaire not billionaire (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5347989/Donald-Trump-sues-writer-for-calling-him-millionaire-not-billionaire.html)
Donald Trump is suing a writer for claiming he is a millionaire and not a billionaire.

Donald Trump Loses Libel Lawsuit (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-loses-libel-lawsuit-232923)Over Being Called A 'Millionaire'

It's slander!

[ThePhantomCreep]

"If Trump..."

Why would he? What the hell makes you think he would propose taking away citizenships from people who already have citizenships? :wtf:

Anything is possible with Trump--didn't he say he wanted to build a wall and make Mexico pay for some of it? He's the worst kind of moron, a moron with no filter.

The larger point is that he has offended US citizens, not just illegal immigrants. I can see how millions of registered voters would take offense to being referred to as an anchor baby, can you?

[KevinNYC]

What point are you making? :confusedshrug:
That Trump has a super-thin skin and routinely files frivolous lawsuits. The fact he filed a 500,000,00 dollar lawsuit means nothing.

He sued the writer who called him a millionaire for $5 billion dollars.

Trump lost and all he got out of the lawsuit, was having to testify that he routinely lies about his net worth. (http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-finances-interview-2011-4#ixzz3jzKlM6lN)
Q: Now, Mr. Trump, have you always been completely truthful in your public statements about your net worth of properties?

A: I try.

Q: Have you ever not been truthful?

A: My net worth fluctuates, and it goes up and down with markets and with attitudes and with feelings, even my own feelings, but I try.

...

Q: When you publicly state a net worth number, what do you base that upon, other than --

Trump's lawyer: Objection. .....
You can answer.

A: I would say it's my general attitude at the time that the question may be asked. And as I say, it varies.

My favorite bit was when he was claiming the Learning Annex paid him a million dollars to do a seminar.
He had to admit that they did not and that, in fact, that was two and half times what they were paying him, but they did spend a lot money advertising the class. So he just added that money too.

[KevinNYC]

It's slander!
Then explain why Trump lost his lawsuit.

and he sued for libel not slander.

[9erempiree]

Anything is possible with Trump--didn't he say he wanted to build a wall and make Mexico pay for some of it? He's the worst kind of moron, a moron with no filter.

The larger point is that he has offended US citizens, not just illegal immigrants. I can see how millions of registered voters would take offense to being referred to as an anchor baby, can you?

I actually know a ton of people that are anchor babies. What he is saying is not false. I went to school with some dude from Hong Kong and to my surprise he told me his parents took a vacation in Hawaii to have him. He is now a student living his life but family can't get here. It's more common than you think. Also when they come here they come with tons of kids to get on welfare.

It's a shame really because there are a lot of deserving Mexican Americans that deserve this money more than a family of 6 that snuck n here.

[NumberSix]

Anything is possible with Trump--didn't he say he wanted to build a wall and make Mexico pay for some of it? He's the worst kind of moron, a moron with no filter.

The larger point is that he has offended US citizens, not just illegal immigrants. I can see how millions of registered voters would take offense to being referred to as an anchor baby, can you?
I really don't care about "offensive speech" as far as a president is concerned. I care about policy and his ability to get things done.

A reporter could ask Trump a question about China tomorrow and he could answer "those Asian ****** are ****" and I really don't think I would care.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I actually know a ton of people that are anchor babies. What he is saying is not false. I went to school with some dude from Hong Kong and to my surprise he told me his parents took a vacation in Hawaii to have him. He is now a student living his life but family can't get here. It's more common than you think. Also when they come here they come with tons of kids to get on welfare.

It's a shame really because there are a lot of deserving Mexican Americans that deserve this money more than a family of 6 that snuck n here.Thanks for the obviously made up anecdote, you've totally made me reconsider this entire issue. :rolleyes:

"Anchor babies" = US citizens. When you say "Trump's not antagonizing US citizens", you're completely and utterly wrong.

It's a shame Trump has zero chance of winning the GOP nomination. He would get wrecked royally in the GE. There aren't enough teabillies on Earth to prevent that landslide.

[9erempiree]

Thanks for the obviously made up anecdote, you've totally made me reconsider this entire issue. :rolleyes:

"Anchor babies" = US citizens. When you say "Trump's not antagonizing US citizens", you're completely and utterly wrong.

It's a shame Trump has zero chance of winning the GOP nomination. He would get wrecked royally in the GE. There aren't enough teabillies on Earth to prevent that landslide.

Well you do argue like we don't have an immigration problem. The obvious is better repeated because you guys are not getting it.

So because Trump supposedly offended a group, we should now ignore our immigration problem?

I will play along; no wall and no deportation. What do you suggest?

Our country has been on a decline for various reasons and immigration is one thing we have been ignoring for a long time now. More accurately, we are in denial that there is a problem.

[qrich]

#IllegalLivesMatter

[KNOW1EDGE]

#IllegalLivesMatter

They literally don't though.

[iTare]

They literally don't though.
:biggums:

[dude77]

What you Trump guys can't see right now is that the Donald keeps antagonizing Latinos and come the GE, the GOP is going to pay through the ass whether Trump is the candidate or not.

yes he was 'antagonizing latinos' by not submitting to and bowing down to the whim of this marshall applewhite looking midget .. latinos are the new blacks now I guess .. tippy toe your ass around them or you's a racist .. gay

[imdaman99]

They literally don't though.
:biggums:

[zoom17]

Trump has mastered the art of trolling to a tee.

[9erempiree]

In a mock-up general election poll conducted and released today.....

Right now as we speak, if the party candidates were nominated today and the general election happens. Trumps destroys GOP field but eventually loses to Biden.

That is good news and if he can keep this momentum going to next year, we may have our next President. Biden will destroy him in the debates though.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I really don't care about "offensive speech" as far as a president is concerned. I care about policy and his ability to get things done.

A reporter could ask Trump a question about China tomorrow and he could answer "those Asian ****** are ****" and I really don't think I would care.
...You don't think saying that is going to have some negative foreign policy consequences?

[KNOW1EDGE]

...You don't think saying that is going to have some negative foreign policy consequences?

That's the biggest problem I see with Trump. He doesn't know when to simply be respectful. He's going to make the USA a ton of enemies if he becomes president.

[9erempiree]

That's the biggest problem I see with Trump. He doesn't know when to simply be respectful. He's going to make the USA a ton of enemies if he becomes president.

I don't think so because I think this bravado is geared towards the American public. Once he gets into office, he will act very diplomatic.

[Bosnian Sajo]

meanwhile at Sanders rallies

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/08/150814_POL_SandersBlackLivesMatter.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BnbwUT7lBg

Look how obnoxious those girls are acting, ****ing animals. Entitlement issues, I swear. Who tf do they think they are interrupting an organized event like that? If they wanted to speak so bad they should of organized their own event and paid money like Bernie did, who tf are they to say "give us the mic or we are shutting this down RIGHT NOW"? Bernie also looks weak af giving them the mic so quickly and stepping back once they start speaking...I feel like this actually might of been set up, as a ploy to make Bernie look insignificant.

[9erempiree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BnbwUT7lBg

Look how obnoxious those girls are acting, ****ing animals. Entitlement issues, I swear. Who tf do they think they are interrupting an organized event like that? If they wanted to speak so bad they should of organized their own event and paid money like Bernie did, who tf are they to say "give us the mic or we are shutting this down RIGHT NOW"? Bernie also looks weak af giving them the mic so quickly and stepping back once they start speaking...I feel like this actually might of been set up, as a ploy to make Bernie look insignificant.

Wow...I've heard about it but never watched it. :lol

So pathetic. This nation is going to hell if they let these liberals run it. Getting stepped on here. It's no wonder we are in the state that we are in.

This is everyone's opportunity....vote for Trump. While he may seem like an ass to some but we really need to change what's been going on as of late.

[ThePhantomCreep]

“The Bible means a lot to me, but I don’t want to get into specifics." - Donald Trump, when ask to name his favorite verses in the Bible, which he claims is his favorite book.

Translation: "I've never picked up a Bible in my life." :lol


Trump is buffoon, a farce, a cartoon character. He won't sniff the GOP nomination.

[9erempiree]

[QUOTE=ThePhantomCreep]

[Trollsmasher]

[QUOTE=ThePhantomCreep]

[ThePhantomCreep]

Its people like you and the stupid liberals that make a big deal over nothing. If anything the conservatives would be more worried about his religious status than liberals and conservatives are not even worried.

Trump is the man and he is changing the traditional landscape that was falsely painted by certain groups.

This day in age, it doesn't matter what religion you believe in. Heck, Obama is a Muslim.

What makes you think I care what Trump's religious leanings are? I'm just laughing at this New York elitist's miserable attempts to paint himself as a good old boy Bible-thumping conservative. I'm also laughing at the right-wing lemmings who lap it up anyway.

Dude can't even pander properly, but it doesn't matter: He had you at "I hate Mexicans".

[9erempiree]

Dude can't even pander properly, but it doesn't matter: He had you at "I hate Mexicans".

It's obvious that you dislike him because he never said he hated Mexicans. For you to interpret that shows your dislike for Trump.

Illegal Immigration equates to hating Mexicans now?

Geez our country is in a shit hole.

[Dresta]

What makes you think I care what Trump's religious leanings are? I'm just laughing at this New York elitist's miserable attempts to paint himself as a good old boy Bible-thumping conservative. I'm also laughing at the right-wing lemmings who lap it up anyway.

Dude can't even pander properly, but it doesn't matter: He had you at "I hate Mexicans".
Lets get one thing straight: Trump is a loud-mouthed jackass who marks a fine culmination for the trends of democratisation, incessant stimulation and self-gratification, sensationalism, and all the things that follow from these great sinkers of the human spirit (e.g. an incessant deterioration in political discourse standards, something that is evident to anyone who has read even a little history).

But lets get one other thing straighter: Trump is still a hell of a lot smarter than you are, with your tiresome and nonsensical 'conservatives are evil, durr, dey alwayz on da wrong side of history' (what sides exactly?), and your naive melioristic attitude ('durr, history travels leftwards, left = progression = human advancement; tradition is stoopid stuff holding us back'). You constantly demonise your opponents, without knowing anything about them or their beliefs, and without even bothering to try and understand their positions; the things you say about conservatives are more or less the same kind of unthinking and ill-informed vilifications you can find in Mein Kampf regarding the Jews.

You are the dictionary definition of a hateful and niggardly bigot. No wonder you need to be such a social justice warrior: it helps you endure your own rancorous stench.

Oh, and FYI, the Bible can mean a lot to someone without them being or trying to be a 'Bible-thumping conservative' (another idiotic and cliched term you constantly parrot). It can mean a lot to someone who is not even religious, due to its literary merit alone, not to mention its startling prescience, its many hidden troves of wisdom, and keen insight into the human condition. It is a remarkable collection of writing, and if you haven't read it closely and attentively, then it is because you are lazy, or a close-minded fool (or most likely:both).

[Patrick Chewing]

That's the biggest problem I see with Trump. He doesn't know when to simply be respectful. He's going to make the USA a ton of enemies if he becomes president.


You're a good poster. But picture this. Trump in a meeting room with all the troublemakers across the globe like Putin for example. You don't think Trump will have his way with that assclown?

[KNOW1EDGE]

You're a good poster. But picture this. Trump in a meeting room with all the troublemakers across the globe like Putin for example. You don't think Trump will have his way with that assclown?

Trump may or may not own Putin, but either way he would surely worsen relations and make the u.s a target.

Not to mention he probably wouldn't get out alive.

Thats not the way you handle situations like these, by "owning" people.

Again, I like Trump and all the truth he speaks, but if he's going to be president he can't be an in your face a$$hole to everyone all the time, even if he's correct.

[NumberSix]

What makes you think I care what Trump's religious leanings are? I'm just laughing at this New York elitist's miserable attempts to paint himself as a good old boy Bible-thumping conservative. I'm also laughing at the right-wing lemmings who lap it up anyway.

Dude can't even pander properly, but it doesn't matter: He had you at "I hate Mexicans".
Remember when it was "racist" to question if Obama is "really a Christian"?

[BoutPractice]

Let's be real for a minute: Trump is basically a 21st century, American version of what used to be called fascism - the term may now be outdated but the ideas aren't. A delusional megalomaniac posing as a big tough guy you don't want to mess with… a real man who will act when politicians are too busy talking… a demagogue whose vocabulary alternates between vague grandiosities and first grade insults… who feeds the populace with transparent lies (like the birther conspiracy or the Great Wall of Trump) for his personal benefit… promises to make the country "great again" by liberating the "energy" of the people… blames foreigners for all problems… sees the country as one big unified organism (in his case, a corporation) that has to go in one direction - his - and backs a corporatist model ("we'll send Carl Icahn to negotiate with China") that serves him and his cronies...

Worst of all, this would-be leader prioritizes success and "winning" at all costs, often with the most individualistic, short term definition imaginable (success is whatever works for me, the leader, right now)… in his world there are no moral standards, there is no right or wrong, only the strong and the weak - life is a zero sum game, and if you ain't first you're last. You can lie, cheat (or as he calls it, be "cunning"), basically get away with anything as long as it gets the job done. If it means rounding up millions of people and deporting them, seizing the natural resources of a poor country by force, or maybe even sending nukes our enemies' way, then so be it.

Sounds familiar? That's because the world is already full of men like that - we usually call them "dictators" or "despots" and they're only a joke for those that don't have to live under them. Trump's supposedly non-ideological worldview is nothing more than old-fashioned authoritarianism. That's why he's so fond of Putin, or calls Chinese leaders "smart" (might want to retract that statement soon :lol). In his mind democracy is a weakness that prevents us from being as strong as they are. He has more in common with King Jong Un, Bachar Al Assad or the latest joke of an African dictator (say the president of Gambia) than the leader of a modern democratic country.

Thankfully America has a system of checks and balances to prevent a man like that from completely destroying the system, but we've already seen the damage the executive branch can do under an absurdly broad definition of their war making powers. Why anyone would want to give those extensive powers to a man like Trump - capable though he is - is beyond me… he'd make Dick Cheney look like the Prime Minister of Sweden. The problem is, people have grown so accustomed to accusing their opponents of being a dictator for no reason that they no longer an obvious apprentice (if you'll pardon the pun) dictator when they see one…

[ISHGoat]

Let's be real for a minute: Trump is basically a 21st century, American version of what used to be called fascism - the term may now be outdated but the ideas aren't. A delusional megalomaniac posing as a big tough guy you don't want to mess with… a real man who will act when politicians are too busy talking… a demagogue whose vocabulary alternates between vague grandiosities and first grade insults… who feeds the populace with transparent lies (like the birther conspiracy or the Great Wall of Trump) for his personal benefit… promises to make the country "great again" by liberating the "energy" of the people… blames foreigners for all problems… sees the country as one big unified organism (in his case, a corporation) that has to go in one direction - his - and backs a corporatist model ("we'll send Carl Icahn to negotiate with China") that serves him and his cronies...

Worst of all, this would-be leader prioritizes success and "winning" at all costs, often with the most individualistic, short term definition imaginable (success is whatever works for me, the leader, right now)… in his world there are no moral standards, there is no right or wrong, only the strong and the weak - life is a zero sum game, and if you ain't first you're last. You can lie, cheat (or as he calls it, be "cunning"), basically get away with anything as long as it gets the job done. If it means rounding up millions of people and deporting them, seizing the natural resources of a poor country by force, or maybe even sending nukes our enemies' way, then so be it.

Sounds familiar? That's because the world is already full of men like that - we usually call them "dictators" or "despots" and they're only a joke for those that don't have to live under them. Trump's supposedly non-ideological worldview is nothing more than old-fashioned authoritarianism. That's why he's so fond of Putin, or calls Chinese leaders "smart" (might want to retract that statement soon :lol). In his mind democracy is a weakness that prevents us from being as strong as they are. He has more in common with King Jong Un, Bachar Al Assad or the latest joke of an African dictator (say the president of Gambia) than the leader of a modern democratic country.

Thankfully America has a system of checks and balances to prevent a man like that from completely destroying the system, but we've already seen the damage the executive branch can do under an absurdly broad definition of their war making powers. Why anyone would want to give those extensive powers to a man like Trump - capable though he is - is beyond me… he'd make Dick Cheney look like the Prime Minister of Sweden. The problem is, people have grown so accustomed to accusing their opponents of being a dictator for no reason that they no longer an obvious apprentice (if you'll pardon the pun) dictator when they see one…

There is absolutely nothing wrong with some good ol fashion dictatorship. Seriously, democracy is good in theory but what you see in USA is not real democracy. Trump is just willing to expose it.

[BoutPractice]

ISHGoat > I agree with you that the US already has oligarchic, authoritarian, and imperialistic tendencies as it is. Here's the thing though: right now, you're absolutely right that Trump is "exposing" the undeniable corruption in the system. But based on everything he's said and proposed so far, he has no intentions of making any of this better…. he actually wants to make it worse! Trump's America would be even more corrupt and even less democratic than it already is.

I'm not saying Trump is the only thing threatening freedom and democracy… in fact, freedom and democracy are receding pretty much everywhere you look. We've already mentioned the US... China and Russia, already dictatorships, are cracking down on dissidents even more than usual and flexing their muscles abroad, daring their enemies to stop them. Middle Eastern countries alternate between the ISIS model (hardcore Islamism) and the Sisi model (hardcore dictatorship) - in both models liberals are there to be tortured and beheaded. Africa is still Africa… The leaders of the European Union, normally a bastion of freedom in the world, have allowed democracy to be replaced by an opaque technocratic system of Central Banks and Troikas and endorsed orwellian surveillance under the pretext of fighting Islamists. Other than the aforementioned Islamists (hint: not the good guys), their main critics are a bunch of far right populists who would throw their opponents in jail the minute they reach the corridors of power, and almost certainly would make surveillance worse. Even in the private sector, today's ideal corporation is an unaccountable multinational that obeys no laws, pays no taxes and makes a huge centralized platform whose business model is to own every aspect of your identity, down to the most intimate detail, so that they can sell it for profit - if Ford was the laboratory of 20th century totalitarianism, Facebook and Google can tell you everything you need to know about the new and exciting ways 21st century despots will crush your soul.

It's a general, worldwide trend, and I don't like it - not one bit. The election of a man like Trump to POTUS would only accentuate it, and to even entertain the fantasy is to play a dangerous game, as you don't know who might be up next.

[Raymone]

Worst of all, this would-be leader prioritizes success and "winning"

That does sound terrible.

[nathanjizzle]

honestly, im dumbfounded how people are taking trump seriously.

[GIF REACTION]

honestly, im dumbfounded how people are taking trump seriously.
My bro nath with the swish!

Got your back bro

[Dresta]

Seriously, where does this ridiculous notion that freedom and democracy go hand-in-hand, to the point where they are used nearly as synonyms, come from, and why is it so prevalent? Democracy almost always leads to tyranny; it almost always sacrifices long-held principles to the expediency of the moment, and the whims of majority opinion. The most important things for actual freedom are the rule of law (absent in America since the clown Oliver Wendell Holmes), and jury trial - the American Bill of Rights provides a solid list of things more important to freedom than democracy. The founding fathers all detested the democratic form of governance, and that's why they never founded a democracy, but a Republic of liberty.

Democracy is effectively a form of religion, a system founded on a faith in large numbers, and indoctrinated into the minds of small children at school.

Oh, and America has not had an effective system of checks and balances for a looong time - the Judiciary and Executive branch have long exceeded their constitutional authority, and it gets worse and worse by the year.

I wish people would quit whining how we need 'more democracy' when it is democracy that leads us to exactly the corrupt, oligarchic mess we're in right now.

[BoutPractice]

Raymone > You cherry picked a part of my sentence. I said he prioritizes 'success' but has no real definition of success, and doesn't have any moral compass for getting there (ie limits): in other words, ill defined ends justify any means. In practice this tends to lead to disaster, which is the opposite of 'success' regardless of how you define it…

Dresta > Good post, though I would disagree with the main conclusion. Democracy does go together with freedom in the tense that the real world alternatives to it (oligarchy and tyranny) are even worse for freedom. The (facile) critique of democracy almost always breaks down once you try to make a positive argument why oligarchy or tyranny is better. 50% + 1 making decisions that are binding for everyone may not be ideal (one reason why you need the need for rule of law as corrective) but it's certainly better, more legitimate and more likely to last than a (non representative yet not particularly more virtuous than any random sample) 1% of the population deciding for everyone, or just one person (more often than not a complete sociopath like the ridiculous gallery of despots who hold power in the world today) deciding for everyone.

Yes, there is at times a tension between freedom and democracy… but that's not because democracy is democracy. It's because democracy is rule (rule of the people) and any rule creates potential tensions with freedom, worst of all a rule of one. Personally I'm not advocating for a tyranny of the majority… when I'm talking about 'freedom and democracy' together, I'm referring to liberal democracy, which keeps everything in balance and is characterized by rule of law, constitutionalism etc. Things we both seem to want… the only difference is that judging by your post, I'm guessing you wouldn't call that a 'democracy' but a 'republic of liberty'. For modern purposes I would call it liberal democracy - the basic idea that it's better to have free citizens voting in free elections than oppressed citizens forced to live under the yoke of some crackpot dictator, and that you should strive towards the former rather than the latter… Not many people are seriously defending the liberal version of democracy anymore, and that's what bothers me… It may be uninspiring but so far it's the best we've got, and if we let it die it we will come to regret it soon…

[9erempiree]

Update:

Remember those supposed derogatory comments made towards Mexicans? Univision and that dummy Ramos claimed that Trump was a racist?

Univision pulled the plug on Trump's Miss USA pageant and Trump threatened to sue them for $500 million dollars.

Looks like both parties came to an agreement but it's confidential. Expect more favoritism towards Trump from the network.

Latino vote. Check box.

http://fortune.com/2016/02/11/donald-trump-univision-settle-lawsuit/

[poido123]

Some Mexican lady on my Facebook posted this video and called trump a racist idiot.

But I don't understand what's racist about the video



Those who feel threatened by Trump will be throwing all kinds of shit at him.


Especially mexicans and muslims.

[poido123]

honestly, im dumbfounded how people are taking trump seriously.



We don't take you seriously, that's for damn sure.

[poido123]

[QUOTE=ThePhantomCreep]

[Trollsmasher]

Update:

Remember those supposed derogatory comments made towards Mexicans? Univision and that dummy Ramos claimed that Trump was a racist?

Univision pulled the plug on Trump's Miss USA pageant and Trump threatened to sue them for $500 million dollars.

Looks like both parties came to an agreement but it's confidential. Expect more favoritism towards Trump from the network.

Latino vote. Check box.

http://fortune.com/2016/02/11/donald-trump-univision-settle-lawsuit/
looks like Trump won again